Linux-Advocacy Digest #683, Volume #31 Tue, 23 Jan 01 17:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Why "uptime" is important. (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: Poor Linux (Martin Eden)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (Martin Eden)
FA:IBM ThinkPad 365XD p133/24mb/1gb/cdrom/Linux (schlomo)
Re: Please help! adding a line (Bones)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistent. (.)
Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice (Adam Schuetze)
Re: I gota kick out of this... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Why "uptime" is important. (Mark Styles)
Re: The Server Saga (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The Server Saga (Pete Goodwin)
Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice (Craig Orsinger)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance (mlw)
Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice (Craig Orsinger)
Re: Why "uptime" is important. (Mark Styles)
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe (Edward Rosten)
Re: Poor Linux (Edward Rosten)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: Why "uptime" is important.
Date: 23 Jan 2001 21:45:25 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The script generates an index.html for a directory. This kind of content
>needs a layout to be readable. Some (not much) content does require a
>specified layout.
That's a pretty good idea... sure beats doing the ls -l and then putting
the links in via a bunch of emacs macros :-)
>> I only use <pre></pre> tage for stuff like author contact lists, or
>> formulae and very simple tables, for example, these ones on fusion
>> reaction energies:
>>
>> http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/phys/fusion-energies.html
>>
>> I just checked that in Lynx so it's OK.
>
>likewise, a page like this requires some layout. I cand send you a link
>to the page if you require.
OK. Email is fine. The reason I use <pre></pre> there is that the
numbers do have to align. This is only possible using fixed width.
Also, you can mouse-snap that into a file and read it with IDL :-)
Come to think of it, even with Fortran :-) :-)
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
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From: Martin Eden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Poor Linux
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:58:25 GMT
John Travis wrote:
>
> And Martin Eden spoke unto the masses...
>
> :Think outside the box.
> :http://www.freebsd.org/
> :http://plan9.bell-labs.com/
>
> <sig fixed>
>
> Quick question. How do you like Plan9 so far?
The only way I can describe it is: Different.
I really enjoy trying new things, and I am having a great deal of fun
messing around with Plan 9. I'm still exploring though. (I haven't even
installed TeX yet). When and if I figure out the rudiments I will post
something about it.
--
Think outside the box.
http://www.freebsd.org/
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/
OK. Fixed it, lol.
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From: Martin Eden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:03:53 GMT
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> Martin Eden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
~snip~
>
> :> Debian prefers to call Linux - GNU Linux.
>
> : That's because the operating system is filled with GNU sources.
>
> But calling it "GNU Linux" is also a lie, because Linux is not
> a GNU project.
I think technically the term is GNU/Linux, though I didn't disagree with
Charlie about that issue in itself.
It's just very heavily based on a GNU foundation.
> Linux is not a GNU project in the same sense that gcc, emacs, HURD,
> and so on are. It *includes* GNU tools, but is not itself a part
> of the GNU umbrella. You're kidding yourself if you actually
> believe that the only way to give credit where credit is due is
> to do so in the title of the product.
I never said I believed that was the _only_ way to give credit. But when
the GNU sources outweigh all the other software in the average
distribution I think it is a valid way to give credit.
--
Think outside the box.
http://www.freebsd.org/
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/
------------------------------
From: schlomo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FA:IBM ThinkPad 365XD p133/24mb/1gb/cdrom/Linux
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:02:32 GMT
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1209819290
IBM ThinkPad 365XD Linux ............. [ThinkPenguine]
133MHZ CPU
11" Display
24MB Ram
1.0GB HD
Internal CD-ROM
External Floppy (IBM p/n 10h3980)
AC Adapter (IBM p/n 85G6709)
56K PCMCIA Fax/Modem
Two button mouse
External 1.0GB Sparq Drive including
removable cartridge w/ installed Linux driver
Linux Slackware 3.6 original 4 disc set included
Pre-installed software including Netscape 4.74,
Corel Wordperfect 8, and more...
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bones)
Subject: Re: Please help! adding a line
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:15:24 GMT
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi:
> I have to create a file (using konsole) called fileA with the following
> content:
[snip]
> Then I have to add "I wonder" to the TOP of fileA. How do I do that?
> Please pay attention that I have to add TO THE TOP of fileA.
Open up the text editor that comes with KDE and add it...?
If you mean to do it non-interactively from the command-line, you could
probably do it this way using a minimum of special utilties:
1) Assuming that you want a carriage return:
echo -e "I wonder \n$(cat fileA)" > filea
2) Assuming that you *don't* want a carriage return:
echo "I wonder $(cat fileA)" > filea
> I thank you in advance for your help.
> Marcus
OK. I hope that was what you were looking for. Just out of curiosity, why
did you ask this question? Are you trying to cheat on your homework?
----
Bones
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistent.
Date: 23 Jan 2001 21:17:34 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 23 Jan 2001 16:32:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Said Kyle Jacobs in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 23 Jan 2001 04:35:45
>>> [...]
>>>>I think distributing PDF format files is an excelent idea. Even if it does
>>>>max bandwidth. [...]
>>
>>> PDF files are generally much smaller than their Word document
>>> counterpart.
>>
>>In this vein, guess what happens to a W2K machine when you use office2000
>>to read a document you converted in staroffice from .rtf to .doc?
> Now, why exactly would you bother?
Because someone a few levels above me does not understand that unix exists
at all, let alone is an operating system that I use daily on my main workstation;
I sent him an .rtf document and he returned it saying "I cant open anything thats
not a .doc" (why is it that he clicks on every goddamn .exe he sees, even if its
called "thisisavirusdontclickonit.exe", yet he refuses to double-fucking click
on an .rtf?) Anyhow, I get it back, do the conversion in staroffice under Solaris,
send it back and get a phone call.
Him: "Your document broke my computer"
Me: *snork*
Him: "I need you to come take a look at this right away"
Me: "ok. *giggle*"
I go look at his machine, and sure enough its freshly rebooted and sitting there
with an icon of the document I sent him right on his desktop where he can find it
without too much trouble. I open up word2K and open up the document.
It opens and displays perfectly, but as soon as I scroll, the machine hard locks.
Repeat once more, same effect.
So the third time I DONT scroll, but instead choose 'save as'. I save it as an RTF,
open it that way, RE-save it as a .doc and it works just fine.
Thats what windows gets for trying to 'execute' text files.
If you decide to try it, do it with bullets and tables; I have a feeling that a
normal, natural text file wont cut the mustard in this case.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Schuetze)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice
Date: 23 Jan 2001 21:21:00 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:03:30 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> BTW, does anyone know of a good "regular old high end" free
> wordprocessor? I don't want a suite; just a wordprocessor!
You could try Corel Wordperfect 8 for linux. Standalone word
processor.
I've had limited experience with it. Once I discovered LaTeX, I
dumped word processors.
But from what I recall, it seemed to work quite well.
later,
--
Adam Schuetze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I gota kick out of this...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:25:17 +0000
sfcybear wrote:
> http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/
8)
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why "uptime" is important.
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:13:13 -0500
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:38:51 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:28:59 -0500, Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:37:32 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>>>On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:59:19 -0500, Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:20:49 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>[deletia]
>>> ...strange that you would prefer the proverbial Elephant gun then?
>>
>>As I said, speed was the main issue. MS Office runs with quite
>>reasonable performance on a 32Mb Windows system. Star Office did not
>
> ...yeah, right.
>
>[deletia]
>
> If speed were really your paramount issue than msword would
> not even be an option.
I'm just relating my experience. All the things I use Linux for right
now are an order of magnitude better than anything similar offered in
the MS arena. I'm on your side, I would really like to see Linux move
from the server world into the desktop world, but _in my experience_
the desktop applications don't measure up.
>From what I've read here, and from what I've heard from others who are
just as keen to see Linux succeed as I am, I'm not alone in these
experiences.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Server Saga
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:32:21 +0000
J Sloan wrote:
> I assume you are being deliberately stupid, but I will
> answer this for the benefit of other readers.
Am I the one being deliberately stupid? You did read my original post that
started this thread?
> Considering that you destroyed the machine that we
> were trying to help you fix, yes, you wasted our time.
Yes, and I said that in my original post. So why did you waste your time
replying?
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Server Saga
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:35:48 +0000
Ketil Z Malde wrote:
> > You consider the problems I found a waste of time?
>
> I consider trying to help you out, only to discover that you just post
> your problems to aggravate Linux users, a waste of *my* time.
By why do you help someone out in the wrong group? This group is about
advocacy, not about helping people. I posted my comments as a demonstration
of the disaster stories you can get with Linux (just like... Linux
advocates do about Windows).
> I certainly will be more careful whom I try to aid in the future, so
> in that respect, I guess you have achieved some of your purpose.
No, you're in the wrong group.
> To address your question, yes, if you have no inclination to try to
> find the cause of your problem, or to even report it through the right
> channels, then yes - it's a waste of time. Of course, it's not a
> waste of time if all you want is to spread FUD.
FUD?
I posted what really happened, just like countless others do about Windows.
That is FUD is it?
> > No wonder Linux is stuck on the desktop sidelines!
>
> I don't really care where you stick Linux, it works much better for
> *my* desktops than anything out of Redmond ever has.
That's good, that's your opinion.
> <rant>
> I don't really care whether Linux is popular among the computer
> illiterate, they won't be able to contribute anything anyway. Let
> them suffer the trashy software in the monopolistic market they have
> created for themselves, or turn to Steve Jobs (or, for that matter,
> Mandrake) with their hope he will somehow make things better.
> </rant>
So screw Joe Pulic huh? Don't they deserve better?
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Craig Orsinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:35:21 GMT
Jeff Silverman wrote:
> Hi. I am an experienced Linux/UNIX sysadmin and I am getting ready to teach a class
>on Linux for
> the Communications Workers of America and WashTech. I am soliciting comments and
>suggestions from
> people in the Linux community about what I ought to teach.
>
> The students will be adults with some computer experience, most likely in MacOS or
>MS-Windows.
>
> I assume that I have to teach them the basics:
>
No one seems to have mentioned this, but in your introduction you ought to explain
what
Unix is:
1. Multitasking
2. Multi-user
3. A toolbox of text manipulation and programming tools
4. The result of many years of collaboration and contributions
(1.) should be familiar to most users of Windows, but (2.) and (3.) are concepts
most of
your users probably aren't that familiar with. That's why you'll be teaching them
about logging
in/out, and about grep, sort, uniq, and pipes. It's good to give people an idea of why
they're
learning something before you try to teach them. (4.) helps to explain why there are
all these
different commands and environments, as opposed to Windows or the Mac where the
choices are comparatively limited (not to mention less complicated). It also serves to
explain
what mailing lists, newsgroups, and supporting web sites are so important if you want
to get
the most out of Unix or Linux.
Free software is also related to (4.). Employees of some companies, particularly
government
contractors, are in a unique position to appreciate free software, as it eliminates
the process of
having to beg the purchasing and property management people to come up with your
software.
In any event, it's a wonderful fact of Unix that much of the software you need is
available for
free.
> 1) How to login and how to logout
> 2) File manipulation commands: cp, mv, rm, rmdir, ln, cat, more, find, grep, sort,
>uniq. Also I/O
> redirection and pipelines
> 3) An editor. vi? emacs? Something else? No flame wars, please.
> 4) Minimal sysadmin stuff - assuming they are going to run their own machines. Is
>that a reasonable
> assumption? Account management. Minimal security issues. Networking (that's a
>mouthful)
Sounds like you ought to find out what will be expected of the students. At the
very least,
they ought to be aware that there are all these issues that system administrators deal
with, and
that this might be the reason why this or that command isn't working like it's
supposed to.
On the related subject of teaching installation, you may want to make that an
optional
part of the course. Those who aren't interested can go have donuts or leave early,
those
who want to learn can go through the procedure. Once again, it probably depends on
what your students are expected to do with their knowledge afterward. In any event,
some
of your students may want to try Linux at home, so offering to teach installation as an
option would seem to be a good idea at a minimum.
>
> It gets more complicated... GUIs. Should I teach KDE? gnome? Motif?
>
GNOME could be a course in itself. You might want to pick a GUI that you think
is most representative of their environments, and teach them that. I think that anyone
who uses Windows or Macs could get used to the basic stuff in GNOME or KDE,
but the idea of what choices they have in these environment, and how to control them
to the users' satisfaction might be something you want to touch on.
I also suggest that you mention the other GUIs, and discuss their features. In
addition, you ought to at least mention that choosing one GUI does not necessarily
mean you are stuck using only programs for that GUI. TCL/Tk, KDE, and Motif
programs can be run in GNOME, for instance, as long as the appropriate libraries
are included on your system. You also can choose window managers within each
GUI.. mwm can be run in most GUIs, as can fvwm, etc.
You also may find that many of your students are unfamiliar with the concept
of xterm.
> How about shell scripting?
Of course. Why else use Unix? :-) This part of the power of Unix. Once you've
figured out how to do something with the tools available, you can write a script to
do it so you don't have to remember all those commands you just looked up, and
you can save time or give the script to others to use.
------------------------------
From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:38:20 +0000
Roberto Alsina wrote:
> Well, if all you want is consistency, I prefer to provide it the easy
> way ;-)
Too easy!
> I could provide a Gtk+ dialog, if I spent a week learning the damn thing
> and neutering my brain to C level.
>
> I probably couldn't provide a Netscape dialog anyway. Ok, I could if
> I hacked OpenMotif, but the perspective sends a chill down my spine.
Aw shucks!
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
------------------------------
From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:40:41 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
> > > Please show me _AN_ article in c't that is favorable to Microsoft.
> >
> > What product is worthy of any favorable press? Seriously, what product could a
> > reporter write about in mostly favorable terms?
> >
> > Office? No.
> > 98? No.
> > NT? No.
> > 2K? No.
> > Bob? No.
> > Dogs? No.
>
> Office2K, certainly so. And it has been herralded by almost every product
> review outfit. I defy you to show me a product review of Office2K that
> wasn't favorable, if not stellar.
Oh, please. It crashes, is HUGE! and the annoying paper clip, not to mention
that it doesn't produce, by default, documents accessible by previous version,
and offers few, if any additional features.
>
> Windows 2000 is the same. It's stable,
I would not call a 120 day up time stable.
> scalable way more than any other
> OS
In what way? Solaris can handle way more processors. Don't even talk about SGI.
> it sets performance and scalability records
> all the time (tpc.org),
TPC says virtually nothing about the OS, at talks about SQL database
implementation.
> and it has a huge application base, more so than
> any other OS in its class.
The ones that work, of course.
> If you're arguing that Linux is better, that's
> laughable at best.
Yes, that we'd even have to make that argument, because it is obvious that 2K
is a loser.
>
> -Chad
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Craig Orsinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:37:33 GMT
Jeff Silverman wrote:
> Hi. I am an experienced Linux/UNIX sysadmin and I am getting ready to teach a class
>on Linux for
> the Communications Workers of America and WashTech. I am soliciting comments and
>suggestions from
> people in the Linux community about what I ought to teach.
>
> The students will be adults with some computer experience, most likely in MacOS or
>MS-Windows.
>
> I assume that I have to teach them the basics:
>
No one seems to have mentioned this, but in your introduction you ought to explain
what
Unix is:
1. Multitasking
2. Multi-user
3. A toolbox of text manipulation and programming tools
4. The result of many years of collaboration and contributions
(1.) should be familiar to most users of Windows, but (2.) and (3.) are concepts
most of
your users probably aren't that familiar with. That's why you'll be teaching them
about logging
in/out, and about grep, sort, uniq, and pipes. It's good to give people an idea of why
they're
learning something before you try to teach them. (4.) helps to explain why there are
all these
different commands and environments, as opposed to Windows or the Mac where the
choices are comparatively limited (not to mention less complicated). It also serves to
explain
what mailing lists, newsgroups, and supporting web sites are so important if you want
to get
the most out of Unix or Linux.
Free software is also related to (4.). Employees of some companies, particularly
government
contractors, are in a unique position to appreciate free software, as it eliminates
the process of
having to beg the purchasing and property management people to come up with your
software.
In any event, it's a wonderful fact of Unix that much of the software you need is
available for
free.
> 1) How to login and how to logout
> 2) File manipulation commands: cp, mv, rm, rmdir, ln, cat, more, find, grep, sort,
>uniq. Also I/O
> redirection and pipelines
> 3) An editor. vi? emacs? Something else? No flame wars, please.
> 4) Minimal sysadmin stuff - assuming they are going to run their own machines. Is
>that a reasonable
> assumption? Account management. Minimal security issues. Networking (that's a
>mouthful)
Sounds like you ought to find out what will be expected of the students. At the
very least,
they ought to be aware that there are all these issues that system administrators deal
with, and
that this might be the reason why this or that command isn't working like it's
supposed to.
On the related subject of teaching installation, you may want to make that an
optional
part of the course. Those who aren't interested can go have donuts or leave early,
those
who want to learn can go through the procedure. Once again, it probably depends on
what your students are expected to do with their knowledge afterward. In any event,
some
of your students may want to try Linux at home, so offering to teach installation as an
option would seem to be a good idea at a minimum.
>
> It gets more complicated... GUIs. Should I teach KDE? gnome? Motif?
GNOME could be a course in itself. You might want to pick a GUI that you think
is most representative of their environments, and teach them that. I think that anyone
who uses Windows or Macs could get used to the basic stuff in GNOME or KDE,
but the idea of what choices they have in these environment, and how to control them
to the users' satisfaction might be something you want to touch on.
I also suggest that you mention the other GUIs, and discuss their features. In
addition, you ought to at least mention that choosing one GUI does not necessarily
mean you are stuck using only programs for that GUI. TCL/Tk, KDE, and Motif
programs can be run in GNOME, for instance, as long as the appropriate libraries
are included on your system. You also can choose window managers within each
GUI.. mwm can be run in most GUIs, as can fvwm, etc.
You also may find that many of your students are unfamiliar with the concept
of xterm.
> How about shell scripting?
Of course. Why else use Unix? :-) This part of the power of Unix. Once you've
figured out how to do something with the tools available, you can write a script to
do it so you don't have to remember all those commands you just looked up, and
you can save time or give the script to others to use.
------------------------------
From: Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why "uptime" is important.
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:28:01 -0500
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:36:52 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:35:34 -0500, Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>It's a P200, and when I tried it I had 32Mb. I now have 64Mb so I may
>>give it another try.
>
> I don't recall office 4.2 being particularly nice with a mere
> 32M, nevermind what a current version of office must be like
> on such a machine...
The machine I've been given on my current contract is a crappy old
compaq P166, with 32Mb RAM, running Windows 95. It struggles with
Access, but it runs MS Word and Excel quite smoothly (after waiting
about 5 minutes for them to start up, I admit). Most of the time
though it runs as an X terminal with Exceed so I don't have to see any
of that win 95 nastiness.
>>I also have done absolutely nothing with regard to kernel tuning and
>>disk tuning (too many projects, not enough time!), so doing that might
>>speed things up a bit.
>
> Clean the sofa and go buy a decent amount of memory.
One of the things I've always liked about Linux, and other Unixes, is
the fact that you can often do twice (make that three or four times!)
as much as Windows in half as much memory. Now that bloatware like
Netscape and Star Office is appearing, that no longer seems to be the
case.
I started my IT career in a unix environment, and still find it the
best environment to work in (I won't take non-unix contracts, despite
the financial temptations). The only reason I even need professional
office apps is because my clients often use MS Office to do their
documentation, and agencies always want resumes 'in MS Word format'.
Hell, I'd be quite happy writing all my documents in vi :) (ut oh, now
I started an editor war)
------------------------------
From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:45:21 +0000
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > nuxx wrote:
> >
> > > W2K Advanced Server is an excellent choice for this application.
> >
> > it might be made to work, but they could have saved themselves
> > a ton of money, and gotten better performance, reliability, and
> > remote management capability by using Unix.
>
> Not true on all accounts.
>
> Not only would they have less performance, less reliability, and
> less remote management capability (Win2K terminal services rocks),
Uh, no. Windows Terminal Server is a pale and slow immitation of X. You
can do *anything* on UI*X from a remote telnet window, so there is no
way Windoze can have more remote management capability. Also, windoze is
less reliable (I'll Quote the MTTF of 12 days).
-Ed
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Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Poor Linux
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:48:31 +0000
Martin Eden wrote:
>
> Edward Rosten wrote:
> >
> > Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> ~snip~
> > > No, it was distinctly "no comment" to your "MATCH.... jerkoff" line...
> > > Again, I have no comment as that making rude, personal and often undeserving
> > > comments about people on USENET is, cowardly, and wrong.
> >
> > And trolling isn't?
> >
> > -Ed
>
> We're on alt.linux.sux. So by definition, you are trolling our group.
>
> Not that I want you to stop. I find the general emotional attachment to
> an inanimate piece of software to be an interesting case study in mass
> hysteria.
I was just pointing out hoe much of a hipocrite he was being, accusing
someone of being childish, whilst trolling. I am reading this from cola,
not als, which , I suppose it also a trolling newsgroup too.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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