Linux-Advocacy Digest #195, Volume #31 Tue, 2 Jan 01 18:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Uptimes (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Conclusion (T. Max Devlin)
Re: COM on UNIX (Andy Newman)
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Who LOVES Linux again? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptimes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: linux price? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 21:32:41 GMT
Said JSPL in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 2 Jan 2001 00:57:52 -0500;
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said JSPL in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:32:21 -0500;
>> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> My apologies. I obviously did get hot-headed, and misinterpreted your
>> >> remark. When you mentioned http headers, I presumed you were
>> >> misrepresenting the issue, since http headers aren't related, it
>> >> appears, to Netcraft's numbers (or Uptime's numbers).
>> >
>> >They are related and the sole source of Netcrafts information.
>>
>> You are, as always, incorrect.
>>
>> >The http
>> >response to a HEAD request to the server at port 80 is the only data in
>> >which Netcraft uses to come up with their uptime assumptions.
>>
>> But it is not the http response, but the TCP packets containing this
>> response, which provides both the OS and the uptime indication.
>>
>> >Now, if you
>> >look through the rfc's on the standard, industry accepted header fields
>> >you'll find that there are none which pertain directly to "time since last
>> >reboot" or anything even close. Therefore netcraft is using some kind of
>> >unsupported method which is apparently impossible to duplicate.
>>
>> Not at all. I'm pretty sure I know precisely how they are doing it.
>> The TCP packet contains a sequence number for packet ordering. The
>> number simply has to be unique, what is called pseudo-random. As often
>> occurs in computer engineering, most OSes use the system timeticks
>> value, and counter used as an uptime continuity indicator, as the value.
>> Firewalls, under the general belief that any information is too much
>> information to let someone else have, provide true randomized (but not
>> necessarily random) numbers.
>
>"Pretty sure" doesn't cut it.
Of course it does.
>>
>> None of this has anything to do with HTTP, other than the fact that it
>> uses TCP and the intent is to measure uptime for various web sites.
>
>Some of it has everything to do with HTTP. I'll take the liberty of posting
>the HTTP interaction I've recorded last month for three seperate servers.
>Note that in each case all of the information that Netcraft uses to discover
>OS and Server is passed through a simple GET request. And I have had
>netcraft query my own server and an HTTP HEAD request is all that shows up
>in the logs.
Thanks for the decode, but according to Netcraft, they actually base
their identification of OS on packet characteristics, not on the
information provided by the web server.
>> >I suspect
>> >that their method wouldn't stand up to independent analysis, which is why
>> >they do not release their method.
>>
>> I'm afraid this is an argument from ignorance. Looking at independent
>> correlation of their results, we find them to be accurate, consistent,
>> and practical.
>
> The only thing I've seen are either an inability to display uptime or
>wildly impossible to believe number such as 13 or so pollings on a server
>showing time since last reboot to be "zero". (sauder.com). Or the assinine
>assumption that Netcraft is the only entity on earth that seems to be aware
>of all these popular sites going down every few days.
You probably don't understand the relationship between whether a server
is up (available) or down (unreachable). I don't believe anyone has
ever said that Netcraft is the only entity on earth that knows the
difference; most of us are, in the industry. Whether the "popular site
is down" has relatively little bearing on whether the computer Netcraft
retrieved uptime statistics were was reachable by you across the
Internet. That's the reason you use continuity indicators, not clocks,
to derive uptime.
>I will admit that they are very accurate in the area of what OS and server
>sites are using. Probably because it's the only part of their information
>gathering that is practicing accepted and duplicatable standards, instead
>of some secret info gathering technique that no one on earth can seem to
>duplicate, and on the surface appears VERY shaky at best.
If I'm not mistaken, they ignore the OS identification provided by the
web server, and use the packet characteristics to ensure that the uptime
(which is used as a sequence number, not an "uptime" value, within the
TCP packet) they get matches the OS. This would explain why they might
"misidentify" a "server", but only in those cases they can't get uptime
to begin with; the packet characteristics don't reveal the OS, and so
even if the OS does use timeticks in the sequence number, Netcraft
couldn't be sure who they came from.
>> >Uptimes.net purposely puts a header field
>> >in which indicates time since reboot on participating machines which makes
>> >it much more accurate if it weren't for the fact that the field can be
>> >forged by the client at will.
>>
>> Uptime.net uses a client. The uptime value cannot be forged; the number
>> of previous counter wraps can be initialized. But that only invalidates
>> the very first indication provided by a system. On the very first
>> reboot, the use of a counter as a continuity indicator makes continued
>> fudging impossible. Sure, after rebooting you could say the system was
>> just "wrapping" for the 35th time. But the server watching the
>> continuity indicator can tell it wasn't a wrap, so your baseline starts
>> at the current counter value, not the number of previous wraps
>> indicated.
>
>You better look into the facts then because they themselves admit that the
>information can be easilly faked.
>http://www.uptimes.net/bottom.html?show=faq#4
>
>Then there's this:
>http://www.uptimes.net/stuff/protocol.html
>Which states:
>"Faking
>Now you know the protocol, it's easy to write a client that fakes the
>uptime. Personally, I think hosts running Linux 2.2.x with uptimes over 3
>years are not cool. Maybe you think different."
To be "faked", the number would have to be believable. If one day it
says its up for 2 years, when the day before it said it was up for three
days, I wouldn't call that a very "fake". Again, uptime is a continuity
indicator, not a clock.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
Sign the petition and keep Deja's archive alive!
http://www2.PetitionOnline.com/dejanews/petition.html
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 21:32:42 GMT
Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:15:50
[...]
>> >Found another one.
>> >www.walmart.com
>>
>> Another one WHAT, Ayende?
>
>Check this one in netcraft.
Why?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
Sign the petition and keep Deja's archive alive!
http://www2.PetitionOnline.com/dejanews/petition.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: COM on UNIX
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 21:53:15 GMT
RussLyttle wrote:
>I think it was first from IBM, but dropped when they couldn't solve the
>security and stability problems. MS adopted the son of the IBM model as
>COM (then DCOM, MTS, ActiveX at marketing whim). CORBA takes a different
>approach to the same end and is, hopefully, more secure.
I was actually refering to Xerox PARC in the 1970s. They most likely
used distributed object programming in their numerous systems.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.linux.sucks,alt.linux.slakware
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:59:41 -0500
Jure Sah wrote:
>
> J Sloan wrote:
> > Star office, netscape, gimp, napster, xmms, quake 3 arena,
> > unreal tounament, heavy gear 2, tribes 2 etc - all the apps
> > one needs...
>
> Dear Mr. Sheep-Brain,
>
> Pherhaps you should devolop some personality of your own? Like you are;
> thinking that Quake 3 arena, Netscape and other you mention are all you
> need on a computer; you are complete average, no contrubution to the
> planet you live in. You live so and you will die so, not leaving a trace
> of yourself behind yourself...
Clue for the clue-less. Most business software these days is
developed FIRST on Unix.
Hope that helps, dork.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:01:08 -0500
mud wrote:
>
> ...so according to you, I should just go ahead and design my own CPU as well
> eh?... you lintrolls are all the same.
Non-sequitors are not victory, shithead.
> plonk.
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:6gV36.52976$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > So what this shows is that web sites where the designer wants a counter
> > and is incapable of making his own are not particularly interesting
> > to Linux users....
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Who LOVES Linux again?
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:04:32 -0500
Jure Sah wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > Alt-Fn to a new console screen, you idiot.
> > >
> > > You CAN'T. The whole computer is locked SOLID. The keyboard is not
> > > responding, nor is the mouse, or any other human interface device attached
> > > to the computer.
> > >
> > > It's called a "freeze", and you Linux nuts don't want to admit they exist
> > > under Linux.
> >
> > You dipshit. The keyboard I/O is interrupt driven. It *CAN'T* freeze.
> > MORON.
> > Repeat after me... LINUX IS ***NOT**** LOSE-DOS.....
>
> But it can lockup! Don't believe me? I'll send you a dos program that
> causes a lockup.
Which affects a Linux platform how, exactly?
Oh...you mean lock up a Microsoft box...well, of course.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:05:56 -0500
JSPL wrote:
>
> "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:92q9f9$1gfe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > They are related and the sole source of Netcrafts information. The http
> > > response to a HEAD request to the server at port 80 is the only data in
> > > which Netcraft uses to come up with their uptime assumptions. Now, if
> you
> > > look through the rfc's on the standard, industry accepted header fields
> > > you'll find that there are none which pertain directly to "time since
> last
> > > reboot" or anything even close. Therefore netcraft is using some kind of
> > > unsupported method which is apparently impossible to duplicate. I
> suspect
> > > that their method wouldn't stand up to independent analysis, which is
> why
> > > they do not release their method. Uptimes.net purposely puts a header
> > field
> > > in which indicates time since reboot on participating machines which
> makes
> > > it much more accurate if it weren't for the fact that the field can be
> > > forged by the client at will.
> >
> > The uptime numbers are not comming from any HTTP headers, as has been
> > discussed multiple times in this thread. The numbers come from the
> > synchronization number in the TCP packet. That's why most firewalls don't
> > report any uptime value.
>
> According to uptimes.net, they get all their info from a proprietary header
> field which is added to participating machines.
>
> If netcraft in fact gets their "time since reboot" info from the TCP packet,
> why does it take several pollings? Wouldn't that information be available at
> first contact with a given server? The whole problem with Netcraft, and the
> main reason they have no credibility is they are perfoming a feat which is
> impossible for anyone to duplicate.
You keep telling yourself that.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux price?
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:07:15 -0500
Coconut Ming wrote:
>
> All Linux is free?
Yes, free as in freedom of speech (liberty) not free beer (gratis)
although you ARE allowed to download most distributions can
be downloaded over the internet (Redhat, Suse, etc.)
> Can anyone tell me... Linux redhat.. Mnadrake... Corel...
> All is free OS?
> All Linux clone except WinLinux is free?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
???what????
> Please answer me. I am a newbie..... Yet decide to get a free Os :)
> thanks.
>
> from
> kokming
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:09:31 -0500
"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" wrote:
>
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/29/2000
> at 06:11 PM, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >IBM makes GREAT hardware.
>
> Yes. They also make crappy hardware. Much like other vendors.
>
> >There standards for software (usability and efficiency), on the
> >other hand, tend to be quite low.
>
> Again, IBM has lots of facilities, and lots of employees at each one.
> Standards vary among them.
>
> >Ever use VM/CMS?
>
> No, you got the name wrong. However, I have used VMF/370, VM/SP, VM/SP
> HPO and VM/XA SF.
>
> >XEDIT
>
> Yes, and it's a lot better than what I've seen on PCs.
>
ANYTHING is better than what's available on PC's
However, compared to emacs, vi, etc. it sucks.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:10:31 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> Oh yes, because we don't wish to speak binary with our computers, we're all
> dumb.
>
> And because you all wish to do exactly that, your all losers.
>
Kyle...when you get into high school, you let us know, ok?
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > mud wrote:
> > >
> > > "Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >
> > > In fact you're so dense Jacobs, I bet yo mommas a black hole ?
> > >
> > > And here we see the maturity of the lintroll.
> > > plonk you.
> >
> > He was just communicating at a level that you LoseDOS lusers understand.
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
> >
> > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
> >
> > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > ...despite (C) above.
> >
> > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > her behavior improves.
> >
> > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:13:51 -0500
"Form@C" wrote:
>
> JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> <snip>
> >>As is the case with windows. We are not talking W2K/NT here - we are
> >>talking home/small business. Why would we need most security patches?
> >>There isn't anything to be secured against! OK, there are malicious
> >>java bits and, in particular, VB scripting - which I won't allow. VBS
> >>is just too silly and disabling it doesn't prevent you using most web
> >>sites. At the end of the day though, at worst you will kill a machine
> >>and need a complete
> >
> >At worst? You say that as if it's not that bad. Do you realise how
> >inconvenient it is to have to reinstall windows?
> >
>
> <grin>
> It usually Isn't *that* bad! This is a worst-case scenario though...
>
> >>re-install. Providing you keep a backup of your latest game saves, home
> >>finance spreadsheets, whatever, even that isn't an enormous problem.
> >>The
> >
> >Not an enormous problem? You think that having to back up ALL your
> >data isn't an enormous problem? And to do it regularly? Are you MAD???
> >
> Absolutely! Would I post here in any other state of mind?
> <grin>
>
> >>windows install is usually no worse than a Linux install nowadays.
> >
> >Except with Linux you can just change certain parts instead of the
> >whole thing.
>
> and with windows it is easier for the average home/small business user to
> reinstall windows from scratch than to fix a problem caused by a security
> bug in Linux.
You are insane.
Fixing a security bug in Linux takes 30-60 minutes.
Reinstalling windows from scratch AND ALL THE APPS, and RECOVERING
ALL THE DATA is anywhere from 3+ days to...impossible.
> Many of these people don't know what a CLI is remember, never
> mind how to use one!
That's their own fault.
> Otherwise I completely agree with you. Linux is more
> veratile in this respect - which is not necessarily a good thing in the
> lower end desktop market. People will "fiddle" with configs just to see
> what happens...
>
> --
> Mick
> Olde Nascom Computers - http://www.mixtel.co.uk
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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