Linux-Advocacy Digest #195, Volume #32 Wed, 14 Feb 01 18:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: and none of it is done with windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter (Peter Hayes)
Re: and none of it is done with windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: linux is dieing (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: KDE Whiners (Mig)
Re: The Windows guy. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50 (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The Windows guy. (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: linux is dieing (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Answer this if you can... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: linux is dieing ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: and none of it is done with windows (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Matthew Gardiner)
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: and none of it is done with windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:14:17 +0000
. wrote:
> You are not to respond to any more of my posts, pete, because you
> are too much of a gigantic fucking moron.
No, I think because I showed up the poster of the original note.
> Google is right smack dab in the middle of implementing all of the
> stuff that deja used to have, plus bringing back on online the
> archive that goes to 1995. Apparantly most of it will be completed
> in the next 8 weeks.
>From what I've heard they're gutting it. We shall see.
> Please do not respond to anything I type ever again.
I'll decide that one.
--
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Pete Goodwin, running Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,redhat.networking.general
Subject: Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:04:32 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:44:03 +0100, "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.hardware [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:04:24 -0800, "Guillermo Auad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> >>I have RHat 7.0 installed on my IBM thinkpad and when I type
> >>
> >>% ifconfig eth0 (or eth1)
> >>
> >>it does not find the card. The card, a 3Com 10/100 PCI Mini Ethernet
> >>adapter works properly when I boot Windows 2000 on the same laptop.
>
> What card? What are you talking about???? Laptops don't have "cards" in
> the same way as desktops do. They have pcmcia sockets or cardbus
> sockets. You need to install pcmcia drivers, and pcmcia tools, and so
> on.
These will be installed along with the rest of the OS. I'd be very
surprised if any laptop installation didn't install all the pcmcia modules,
etc.
I recently got a 56k pcmcia modem for my Gateway laptop running Mandrake
7.2 All I had to do was change the modem device in KPPP from ttyS0 (the
Com1 port for my external modem) to ttyS1 for the pcmcia card. That's all.
Windoze ME required the driver disk and the obliatory reboot (geez, when
WILL MS get away from this obsession with rebooting???).
Same scenario with my cheapskate ethernet card, identified as a NE2000
clone.
The original poster will have to find the driver for the card. Windows
Control Panel may help here.
Boot the machine with the card inserted. I'd be surprised if Kudzu couldn't
find the card, it usually does an excellent job of identifying hardware,
much better than Windows (which recently added an extra network card to my
Win98 box all by itself. I hadn't even taken the case off the machine).
Peter
--
In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: and none of it is done with windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:15:14 +0000
Mig wrote:
> > Have you actually seen what they've done to Deja's archive? And you're
> > proud that none of this is done with Windows?
>
> The archives run the same OS as allways - Linux! They did with deja and
> they do it with google.
And this is something to be proud of - what they've done to the archive?
--
---
Pete Goodwin, running Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,redhat.networking.general
Subject: Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:51:06 +0100
In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:21:04 -0700, Chris Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Yea.
>>> Run Windows instead of Linsux .
>>>
>>> Or, do without your hardware like most Linux users.
> I have been using a USB keyboard, mouse and joystick for 12 months.
I must admit I've been using a usb keybd for a while, and just got a
mouse and camera). And I'm using kernel 2.2.15, slightly patched.
> I have been using a flatbed scanner and video overlay card for
> over 2 years.
Well, on that I think I run 5 years.
> What is it that I'm supposed to be missing?
Some joystick thing, I think. Also all those win* devices. Of course
it takes a while to support idiosyncratic proprietary hardware. What
beats me is why the companies who get supported in thsi way don't pay a
reward to the authors.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:16:26 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:43:37 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>
[snip]
>> I'm not sure how [Microsoft] dominated in the DOS world, admittedly.
>> DOS wasn't all that hot. (Maybe IBM helped; I forget now.)
>
>"Per CPU licensing"
Oh yeah...forgot about that...
Definitely questionable!
>
>Basically, the OEM's were charged for an M$-DOS license for EVERY
>computer shipped, even if MS-DOS was replaced with DR-DOS.
>
>Effectively, this meant that choosing DR-DOS ($55) over M$-DOS ($95)
>cause the consumer to pay $55 MORE, rather than getting a $40 discount.
>
>This is blatantly illegal, which is why M$ settled out of court
>with Caldera (who bought the corpse of Digital Research SOLELY for
>the "latent" value of the lawsuit. Once DR had the info on what
>M$ had done, they pretty much had Billy by the Ballmer....until
>they ran out of money for the lawyers. So, Caldera bought DR-DOS,
>based on the likely financial return once the lawyers went back to
>work.
>
>Although I have no proof, I think what helped Caldera/DR the most
>was the Justice Department trial...Caldera could simply say: "Look,
>Assholes....PAY UP ****NOW***** or we turn over EVERYTHING to Judge
>Jackson's court."
[rest snipped]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 9d:15h:45m actually running Linux.
It's a conspiracy of one.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: linux is dieing
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:17:35 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Bloody Viking
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 14 Feb 2001 11:25:17 GMT
<96dput$g5o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>Henry_Barta ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>: I don't have a UPS on this. If the battery in the laptop were
>: any good, I wouldn't need one ;) Neither would I call ComEd
>: reliable, but they've been good for weeks now.
>
>Yeah, but wait for summer. Anyways, it could be worse. You could be in
>California with its Third World style problems from the lame laws.
Lucky me!
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- but I could play the lottery, I guess...if the ticket
machines work
EAC code #191 9d:16h:49m actually running Linux.
I was asleep at the switch the rest of the time.
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:12:40 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Alternately, a particular gnome doodad might be further along
> >> than the coresponding kde doodad or vice versa.
> >
> >This has absolutely nothing to do with KDE<->Gnome... its only about
> >advertising methods used by Ximian.
>
> Sure it does. Ximian is an alternative to KDE, some parts of
> which might be more completely developed at this point.
Weird.... for me it looks like Ximian trus to sell a modified Gnome with
some extra apps. Allways saw Gnome as the possible alternative to KDE in
the distant future and not Ximian.
> These are interchangeable components here, not nitrogen
> and glycerin.
>
> Besides, without another good example of this practice it's
> hard to really usefully evaluate the situation. The fact
> that a chorus of whining came out of the KDE camp doesn't
> really mean much.
Chorus of whinning?? No.. just complaining about the methods used and with
the desired result.
Weird that gnomers talk about whining when they wihinned about licence
issues for years.
--
Cheers
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:14:39 -0500
mlw wrote:
>
> Mike wrote:
> >
> > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I got a co-worker that is big into Windows. He complains that Windows has
> > all
> > > the tools he needs and Linux is too primitive. He is sure that Windows
> > does all
> > > he needs.
> > >
> > > He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in
> > VI. I
> > > tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his cube.
> > > "Sweet!"
> > >
> > > Just a few more incidents like this and he will start to think his Windows
> > > platform isn't so easy to use.
> > >
> > > The people that say Windows is easier to use haven't put the effort in to
> > > learning some simple tools. Like a person that has an adjustable open-end
> > > wrench and knows nothing about socket wrenches. Life is simpler with one
> > > wrench, sure, but work is easier with a wide selection of tools.
> >
> > Windows is easier to use. And, I have all those things on my Windows machine
> > (vim, awk, sed, etc, etc) - and so should your coworker (if he's any good at
> > tracking these things down, he will have in a few days). So, then what?
>
> The tools that are common place on UNIX/Linux are not common under Windows,
> because most Windows users avoid learning other paradigms.
>
> How often to we see stuff on download.com that attempts to do something on
> Windows that is already a mainstay on UNIX?
Worse than that....90% of the stuff on windows download sites are:
Tired of the standard M$ 4-sided wheel?
Replace it with my shareware 6-sided wheel!
>
> Having something available and being aware of it, are two very different
> things.
>
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:14:45 -0500
Mike wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50
>
> > > I'll bet you don't know how your data is really stored on your disk, do
> you?
> >
> > It's not compressed unless I specify that it be compressed.
> >
> > 1-bit errors STAY 1-bit errors, unless I explicitly compress the file.
>
> You don't know what you're talking about.
>
> Before we get to that, though, let's spell things out. The error cases here
> can be summed up as follows:
>
> Compression:
> C1: Data -> Error -> Compress -> Decompress : No error propagation
> C2: Data -> Compress -> Error -> Decompress : Errors may propagate
>
> Disk drive:
> D1: Data -> Error -> Write to Disk -> Read Back : No error propagation
> D2: Data -> Write to Disk -> Error -> Read Back : Errors may propagate
>
> You can't compare C1 to D2 or C2 to D1, because you're inserting errors in
> different places. But, you can compare C1 to D1, which is kind of pointless
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> (they return what was put in, just like you'd expect), or C2 to D2. I'm not
^^^^^^^^^^^
Which is what I was doing.
Obsheesh: Sheesh!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:23:15 +0000
Karel Jansens wrote:
> It seems to me that by "reasonable" you actually mean: "reasonable for
> someone accustomed to the Windows paradigm". Like I said before, in a
> *nix environment you should not assume that the printer which was set
> up for the system the program runs on will be the printer you are
> going to print to (it might even be located on a different continent).
Actually I still think of it as just "reasonable", not qualified by
"Windows user" or anything.
--
---
Pete Goodwin, running Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:25:58 GMT
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:38:23 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias
Warkus) wrote:
>Yeah. Fridges are something useful, too. Yet, for some reason, I don't
>see either one of us taking up a career as a fridge repairman; do you?
>
>mawa
Good reply :)
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:24:59 +1300
The computer user is like a citizen, there will always be people who expect the
government to whipe their ass, and look after them as a child, whilst the
majority, take responsibility for their lives and look after themselves.
Matthew Gardiner
mlw wrote:
> I got a co-worker that is big into Windows. He complains that Windows has all
> the tools he needs and Linux is too primitive. He is sure that Windows does all
> he needs.
>
> He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in VI. I
> tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his cube.
> "Sweet!"
>
> Just a few more incidents like this and he will start to think his Windows
> platform isn't so easy to use.
>
> The people that say Windows is easier to use haven't put the effort in to
> learning some simple tools. Like a person that has an adjustable open-end
> wrench and knows nothing about socket wrenches. Life is simpler with one
> wrench, sure, but work is easier with a wide selection of tools.
>
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,redhat.networking.general
Subject: Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:29:52 GMT
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:21:04 -0700, Chris Webster
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Yea.
>> Run Windows instead of Linsux .
>>
>> Or, do without your hardware like most Linux users.
>
>Hmmm, still waiting for Win98 to support my USB Jumpshot card reader.
>
>--Chris
Maybe you're just not looking hard enough?
http://www.lexarmedia.com/dfreaders/dfr-software.html
BTW what does that thing do anyway?
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux is dieing
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:31:18 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On 14 Feb 2001 16:10:35 -0500, Joseph Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] () writes:
> >
> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:05:12 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Bloody Viking wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Henry_Barta ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> : I don't have a UPS on this. If the battery in the laptop were
> >> >> : any good, I wouldn't need one ;) Neither would I call ComEd
> >> >> : reliable, but they've been good for weeks now.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yeah, but wait for summer. Anyways, it could be worse. You could be in
> >> >> California with its Third World style problems from the lame laws.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Price controls ALWAYS lead to shortages.
> >> >
> >> >Ask anybody looking for an apartment in New York.
> >>
> >> This example is hardly definitive. There is a glaringly obvious
> >> issue of demand being greater than supply in cities such as
> >> New York. Price controls have NOTHING to do with it.
> >>
> >
> >Actually, in most economics classes, this is indeed the definitive
> >example. Your conclusion is only true if price controls have no effect
> >on supply.
>
> Also, those examples typically have the disclaimer "all else
> being equal". All other things aren't equal. In general that
> condition doesn't hold. Also, the price controls themselves
> are merely a symptom of a larger root problem.
>
Yes...that root problem being...reactionary and clueless politicians
who pass laws while the market was rationing (through the mechanism
known as "prices") until more supply would be available (producers
of said supply chasing the temporarily elevated prices).
Prices fluctuate occasionally. If you politicians keep their noses
OUT of hings, eventually they will fall.
[And almost EVERY time politicos pass laws like these, there is
some friend of said politician who is getting obscene benefits
which NOBODY is mentioning in all of the talk about "helping
'the people'"
> [deletia]
>
> Also, if housing is priced out of your ability to pay it
> doesn't really matter if the shortage is due to market
> pressures or some rent-control bogeyman.
>
> --
>
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:32:32 +1300
And also have software out there that actually harnesses the power of 64bit
computing. I only know 2 real world pieces of software already ready for
itanium, SUN Workshop and Solaris 8, both are 64bit and waiting for itanium
to be released. If they (Intel) started, say, 2-4 years ago, and started
paying software vendors money to pay for the cost of porting software to
the new architecture, there would be already software ready once itanium
had been released. Also, if Intel wants to reach out to all those users
who normally depend on SGI for all their graphic and CAD needs, that would
would have been the best avenue to ensure that there would be a good supply
of 64bit professional software when intanium is released.
Matthew Gardiner
Edward Rosten wrote:
> > 64 bits operating systems are extreme overkill (have you any idea how
> > big 2^64
> > is?) for anything but corporate databases... *large* corporate
> > databases.
>
> 32 bits are underkill. 64 bits is the next logical step.
>
> 2x as wide bus, 2x as much data per clock cycle.
>
> IA64 runs IA32 code like a P100, so they really, really need a 64 bit
> OS in order to run at a decent speed.
>
> -Ed
>
>
> > The only thing that makes 2^64 look anything but mind boggling huge is
> > MS's bloatwear. They'll need that address space just for their 3D
> > dancing paperclips.
> >
> >
> > P.S. 2^64 == 18,446,744,073,709,551,616
>
> Have you memorized that ;-)
>
> --
> Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
> weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
> - The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
> |eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:34:37 GMT
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:13:52 +0100, "Mart van de Wege"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Then you probably don't really have the money for a computer
>> at all really. CRT monitors have been dirt cheap for some time
>> now.
>>
> Well,
>
>No actually. I've been looking at the price lists recently,
>and down here in the Netherlands a decent 17" monitor sells for
>at least HFL700 (some USD 350). That's about 25-30% of the total
>price of a decent computer system.
>I do run a decent monitor at 1280x1024 res, so I don't have a
>lot of problems, but then banks tend to pay nice bonuses down here. A
>friend of mine can barely afford a 15" Philips 105S, which is a
>good monitor, but definitely not fit for prolonged use under
>either Linux or Windows. OTOH computer equipment has always been
>ridiculously expensive here, in fact my brother living close to
>the border used to buy his stuff in Germany.
>
>Mart
I don't even see monitors with worse than .28 listed in the papers
here in the USA?
Monitors have gotten to the point where they all look pretty much the
same in terms of quality. It is the features,reliability and possibly
the personal preference or taste of the user that is different for
example Sony monitors tend to have a softer look to the colors and NEC
monitors are brighter and sharper looking. Neither is better but some
people will buy one or the other.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: linux is dieing
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:36:51 GMT
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:05:12 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Ask anybody looking for an apartment in New York.
$2500/month and up for a pre-war building and 1 bedroom.
And you will have to compete with many others looking for the same
deal.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: and none of it is done with windows
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:36:40 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Mig wrote:
>
> > > Have you actually seen what they've done to Deja's archive? And you're
> > > proud that none of this is done with Windows?
> >
> > The archives run the same OS as allways - Linux! They did with deja and
> > they do it with google.
>
> And this is something to be proud of - what they've done to the archive?
>
That was a MANAGEMENT DECISION, independant of the OS...
YOU blithering ninny.
> --
> ---
> Pete Goodwin, running Linux Mandrake 7.2
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...despite (C) above.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:36:24 +1300
>From what I have read, VAX was a very well designed piece of hardware, esp. in
terms of reliability. When compaq stopped selling VAX based servers, alot of
people were sad that they could no-longer buy them, however, from what I have
heard, Alpha Chips are quite good, however, I would never consider buying one
unless the price is reduced to a normal price (say $1000 above the PeeCee price
and I would be happy).
Matthew Gardiner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:48:31 +0000, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 64 bits operating systems are extreme overkill (have you any idea how
> >> big 2^64
> >> is?) for anything but corporate databases... *large* corporate
> >> databases.
> >
> >32 bits are underkill. 64 bits is the next logical step.
> >
> >2x as wide bus, 2x as much data per clock cycle.
> >
> >IA64 runs IA32 code like a P100, so they really, really need a 64 bit
> >OS in order to run at a decent speed.
>
> The pentium already pushes aroun 64 bits at a time. The vax, another 32
> bit machine, had a 128 memory bus.
>
> You don't need 64 bit registers and a 64 bit ALU to have such a data bus.
>
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>
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