Linux-Advocacy Digest #319, Volume #31 Sun, 7 Jan 01 09:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows 2000 ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Where can I get good info on setting up Linux (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Sucking Linux 2.0.4!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Windows 2000 ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? (Ed Allen)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Richard Wright")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? (Bob Eager)
Re: How the f*ck do I install .xpi plugins ? (David Dorward)
Re: Typical Linsux..They can't even view their own movie!!! ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Typical Linsux..They can't even view their own movie!!! ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Linux now or Linux(TM) tomorrow ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Sucking Linux 2.0.4!!! (Jacques Guy)
Re: Sucking Linux 2.0.4!!! (Jacques Guy)
Re: Typical Linsux..They can't even view their own movie!!! (Jacques Guy)
Re: you dumb. and lazy. (Jacques Guy)
Re: auto run ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How the f*ck do I install .xpi plugins ? (Yatima)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Richard Wright")
Re: Who LOVES Linux again? ("Richard Wright")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 04:38:16 -0600
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:DuT56.56277$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Said Les Mikesell in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 06 Jan 2001 20:18:06
> > >[...]Even if the 97 CD did contain a filter, I don't
> > >see how that helps the people who have word95 and obviously don't
> > >have a copy of the 97 CD.
> >
> > Well, you can't very well put in on the 95 CD. ;-)
> >
> > And, as Erik is so anal about pointing out, it was available for
> > download.
>
> At some point, but I don't think it was until much later than when
> it was needed. I recall a lot of bad press about this issue.
> The current downloadable version at
> http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/downloadDetails/wd97cnv.htm
> claims to be part of 'the Office 97 Service Release 2 ValuPack'
> which sounds like something that would not have been released
> until after Office 97 itself.
That's service release 2 of the value pack, which originally shipped on the
CD with Office 97.
The "bad press" you are referring to is about a different issue, which was
saving Word 95 documents from Word 97, not loading Word 97 documents into
Word 95.
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where can I get good info on setting up Linux
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:34:10 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 07 Jan 2001 03:31:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ZHN) wrote:
>
> > Where can I get good info on setting up Linux?
> >Yep! Where? I have a 750 mhz athlon, nvidia 64 mother
> >have a cd_rw and a DVD can I set up linux under these circumstances on
> >this machine?
>
>
> DVD+Linux?
>
> You must be kidding?
>
> Why on earth would you want to waste such a great machine on Linsux?
>
> Get a copy of Win2k and use your system to it's fullest capabilities
> instead of running an abortion like Linsux.
>
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
Why do they call it flathead?
Because you can't get much of a brain into a platter 1 molecule thick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sucking Linux 2.0.4!!!
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 09:24:17 +0000
genkai wa doko da wrote:
>
> linux usings being fagit who don't know real perfesional operatoning
> systim like windows NT!!
>
> fuck off!
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
And in English?
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:44:45 +0100
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> Scientology may not be a respected religion, but people DO follow it.
> Their choices are their own, and if they decide to follow the obligation
> to send all personal earnings to "The Church", that is they're right (with
> the exclusion of Germany as I recall, but that lay may have changed...)
>
No, it has not changed. Scientology is active in germany, but they failed
to get recognized as a "church". German authorities did not believe those
claims, so scientology is a company making money and has to pay taxes and
does not get examptions from paying tax like the "real" churches, which is
right, I think. They do not at all behave like a church, instead they are
just a bunch of jerks
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:52:15 +0100
Nigel Feltham wrote:
> >Well, SAMBA is trying to reverse engineer the undocumented features of
> >Microsoft's implementation of networking. They deliberately change things
> >without telling anyone to make sure you're tied to Windows. You can
> >hardly blame the SAMBA people for that one.
> >
>
>
> Is it true that win9x and winNT4 clients also have problems connecting to
> win2k
> servers due the the SMB changes?
>
I remember having seen something to that effect in a german newsgroup
reagarding samba. There was also a guy using NT4 who said that he had
problems.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 05:01:23 -0600
"Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:939ehr$cdm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <1XJ56.13$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >It's also the most likely scenario. Attributing to malice, that which
can
> >adequately be explained by other means is a sign of a paranoid
personality.
> >
> "You are not being paranoid if they really are out to get you."
> Johnny Fever, WKRP in Cincinnati
>
> >You anti-microsoft zealots put MS so high on a pedestal. They are
> >omnipotent and carefully craft these huge conspiracies which they pull of
> >flawlessly year after year. In your rush to decry them, you are willing
to
> >latch onto any feeble rumor and present it as fact (for instance, the
> >neverending stories of how NT contains DEC source code line for line, how
> >Hotmail was converted to NT right away and it crashed, how MS uses secret
> >API's in their apps to make them work better than their competition, and
a
> >ton of others).
> I was just going to snip that paragraph but you went too far.
>
> The failure of Hotmail under NT has been shown to be true repeatedly
No, it hasn't. There was *ONE* article published on a site with zero
credibility that referred to "unamed sources" as their evidence. Everyone
else has merely been using the same article for their proof.
Here is MS's official response to the article:
http://www.microsoft.com/NTServer/web/news/msnw/Hotmail.asp
"Long term, Hotmail is committed to moving to Windows NT Server. However,
wholesale migration to Windows NT Server has not yet been attempted." Of
course this was in 1998, and Hotmail has since moved to Win2k for it's web
servers.
> The "secret API's" have been admitted to in court. Who are you to
> accuse Microsoft executives of perjury ?
No, they have not been admitted in court. All the evidence is online,
please post a link to this supposed evidence.
> >Fact is, MS got lucky in a few key areas, and their competition failed to
> >compete.
> >
> Fact is, M$ is a criminal organization.
>
> A little light reading for you:
>
>
http://library.northernlight.com/SG19990714180000309.html?cb=13&sc=0#doc
What's your point? These colorful interpretations by reporters are just
that, interpretations.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 11:01:03 GMT
In article <938p0f$9de$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>The bottom line is this: you want MS split as the courts decided.
>
>This will not happen. MS will get their way. YOU will not have your way.
>Linux is going to have to compete with one MS, not through the courts.
>
What is this ? Microsoft competing through the courts ?
"Microsoft is reportedly joining a group of Web-based travel agents
who will ask the Justice Department to investigate possible antitrust
violations by the nation's airlines."
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/travel/DailyNews/onlineagents990310.html
Microsoft should just "compete harder" instead of "whining to the
courts."
--
"Bank of America Chief Executive David Coulter recently suggested that
if he had one silver bullet, he would use it for Microsoft."
- LESLIE HELM, LA Times
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From: "Richard Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:24:08 -0000
"MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9377ea$jm5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Boy, way to totally miss the "big picture".
> >
> > The problems this person is having are truly "issues" under the Mandrake
> 7.2
> > install. By reading this post, it looks clear that "flatfish++++" went
> > totally out of their way to find faults WITH the installer, but the
issue
> > remains.
>
> flatfish is an expert linux-zealot-chain-yanker.
> have to give credit where credit is due (=
>
> > Instead of poking holes in the minor details in the analysis (which by
my
> > experience with Mandrake 7.2 is somewhat accurate) why isn't there an
> > outrage to correct the dumb mistakes IN the system?
>
> Yikes! Ever try red hat 7? Makes buttcake 7.2 look like winME
>
> > Because it's "free"?
>
> I would imagine this to be the hidden crux of their reasoning.
> Don't hold your breath waiting for it though.
>
> > Bad answer.
>
> Yep. Sure is. Unless you really have very limited funds, and build your
own
> pc from discarded parts.
> But I'll bet you better than 3/4 of these linux zealots are running >
400mhz
> pc's with newer hardware.
> You almost have to in order to see any snap in the newer desktops.
>
>
Good point.
Windows ALMOST does the same while you're running pretty lookin programs.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Eager)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: 07 Jan 2001 11:55:40 GMT
On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:27:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
> Various methods can be used to emulate this within vi/Unix.
> g/pattern/command
> v/pattern/command
They have been mentioned.
But you are MISSING THE POINT!!!!
That is NOT what the ALL command does. If you use:
ALL /foo/
it merely hides the lines not matching the pattern from view. Then
allows you to edit the ones remianing, do whatever you want, then
later make all the others visible. Which makes it very easy to check
out and change certain classes of line while only using a screen or
two.
--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..
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From: David Dorward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How the f*ck do I install .xpi plugins ?
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:57:41 +0000
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> It's no wonder MSIE is winning when these f*cking clowns can't release a
> browser that makes it at least possible to
Mozilla is BETA (or Alpha, I'm not sure). That means it isn't finished, but
what has been done is available for you to try if you so want.
Oh, you might get better help in fixing the problem by posting to a help
group (better yet a mozilla help group or mailing list) then an advocacy
group.
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Typical Linsux..They can't even view their own movie!!!
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:01:17 -0000
>
>Any reason why some Linux guru can't create their own quicktime player? Is
>the format known?
>
Xmovie can play most quicktime files made before the current V4 and this is
the
problem - you have to keep hitting a moving target with no documentation so
by
the time linux is quicktime4 compatible they will release version 5. There
is a linux
project to enable use of video for windows plugins using wine but I am not
sure if
quicktime plugins use same api calls - if they do then they will work too.
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Typical Linsux..They can't even view their own movie!!!
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:02:38 -0000
>Real Player plays all standard formats.
>
Won't play apple and MS proprietry formats though as they
won't release documentation to enable real to support them
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux now or Linux(TM) tomorrow
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:09:05 -0000
>Then, MS would throw their vast resources at making it actually a
>well-written and tested OS rather than a series of patches around a kernel.
That would make a change - when will they start using these resources to
make
windows a well-written OS instead of the bug-riddled regularly crashing pile
of
crap they currently sell.
>X-Box is on the horizon, and it looks *cool*. MS has already lined up tons
>of developers, including EA.
>
>All of these developers *must* use DirectX 8 to write their games -- the
>same exact DirectX 8 as Windows 2000, ME and soon Whistler will
incorporate.
>
>More games for Windows, more focus on DirectX, less on OpenGL and Linux.
>
Indrema is also on the horizon - Free development tools, possibility of
producing a
combined Game console and Tivi Video recorder (both run linux so could be
possible),
free certification for freeware games, similar hardware to X-box so could be
possible to
make it run x-box games using modified version of wine.
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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 12:14:45 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sucking Linux 2.0.4!!!
genkai wa doko da wrote:
> linux usings being fagit who don't know real perfesional operatoning
> systim like windows NT!!
Woaw! Yoore baqqk Tymmb! *smoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooch*
> fuck off!
Ewe bettar fixxs yore spelyngu czechr, Tymm ouwl qoq,
yt lukkx badliegh browkn too mee!
Andd kuso de mo kue too yew tew, ould spoart (ore shood ey
sey "chikushoo me"?)
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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 12:20:17 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sucking Linux 2.0.4!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> genkai wa doko da wrote:
> > fuck off!
> And in English?
I don't know. But in Greek it's "pa na gamithis".
(literally "go get fucked"). You learn a little
bit everyday don't you? Thanks to... TAH DAH!
OULED TIMMB PARMR!
Kusottare na bakayaroo dare da?
OULED TIMMB PARMRE!
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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 12:35:21 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Typical Linsux..They can't even view their own movie!!!
[snip]
Listen, flatfish, why don't you go wank somewhere else.
You've already contributed enough seminal ideas here.
As in: "As we walked into the seminar room, we found
ourselves wading knee-deep in seminal ideas. A lot
of intellectual wanking had been going on there."
(In your case, strike out "intellectual")
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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 12:49:44 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: you dumb. and lazy.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 6 Jan 2001 17:10:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
> >This entire post is a lie.
> Prove it.....................
Prove that it's not, flatfish.
Flat enough to scurry back under the stone where
you hide.
Fish enough to stink to high heaven.
How about "cowardly skunk" instead?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: auto run
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 04:51:06 +0000
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> since I've never seen a self-running program, I'm merely
> asking you what the fuck this "autorun" thing is supposed to be?
Ever heard of a daemon?
(And it DOES mean without human intervention AS WELL AS "self running"
these days. Words change their meaning over time y'know).
You're not worth the effort.
You've been told three times now to cut it out with the sig, and you haven't
even responded to it... Let alone cut it down to size.
You even left this bit....
>> Oh, and I noticed you totally ignored the rest of my posting...
>>
>> So I'll repeat it as you seem to be incredibly thick. It might sink in this
>> time...
But snipped the bit you didn't want to see because it'd make your stupid sig
shrink.
The "accepted" sig length is 4 lines although some people go 2 or 3 lines
over... You're going 33 lines over!
Now sod off until you've got a clue.
--
| |What to do if you find yourself stuck in a crack|
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |in the ground beneath a giant boulder, which you|
| |can't move, with no hope of rescue. |
|Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)|Consider how lucky you are that life has been |
| in |good to you so far... |
| Computer Science | -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy.|
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yatima)
Subject: Re: How the f*ck do I install .xpi plugins ?
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 13:34:14 GMT
>I'm reafdy to go on a homicidal rampage out of frustration with
>this f*cking Mozilla POS. The stupid POS wants me to download the plugin
>even though it's already downloaded. I tried hacking the install
>to make the plugin install and for some reason I keep getting
>those annoying popups harrassing me and telling me to download the f*cking
>plugin which I already downloaeded.
I hear ya. Mozilla is a PITA to get going. I'm still SOL when it comes
to secure browsing (yes I went to te iplanet site and tried to get the
PSM module but got a emtpy popup window instead).
>It's no wonder MSIE is winning when these f*cking clowns can't release a
>browser that makes it at least possible to download and install f*cking
>plugins. And not only that but it harasses the user asking them to download
>15MB files that they've already downloadewd.
Right now my primary browser is Konqueror which is actually quite good.
It's quick, java applets work, as do the flash and relaplayer plugins.
The only downside is that there are still some javascript issues (but I
rarely run into them).
>I need the JRE plugin, I've already downlaoded it. Can someone
>suggest how to install these f*cking jre..xpi files before
>I buy an AK47 from the local supermarket ?
I just copied my javaplugin.so from my netscape 4.76 plugins directory
over to the plugins directory for mozilla. I originally got the plugin
as part of the Blackdown java 1.3 sdk. The actual plugin seems to be
about 127K so if you want I can email it to you.
--
yatima
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From: "Richard Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:28:33 -0000
"Jure Sah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Let's say I'm a person who is looking for an OS that linux claims to
> be...
>
> "." wrote:
> > Yes, all scattered about in both /etc and the documentation. It takes
> > less than a minute to set it all up.
> > Not everyone is using the same hardware as you.
> > It depends on the program, but you can get them to be anywhere you like
> > if you read the documentation.
> > Apparantly youve never read the documentation.
> > Thats not an enlightenment thing. Read the documentation.
> > Read the documentation. To wit:
> > You can alias that if you want. Hell, you can make a cute button for
> > your desktop out of it too if you like. Read the documentation.
> > It does. Read the documentation.
> > Read the documentation.
> > Thats an enlightenment feature. Read the documentation.
> > Its in the documentation. Read it.
> > And besides that, theres an assload of wine documentation on the web.
> > Look it up.
> > You didnt read the documentation. Wine does not work with W2K binaries.
> > You arent running samba. Read the documentation.
> > Then you're an idiot. Its not that difficult, and you doubtlessly
> > didnt read the documentation.
> > I didnt. You did it wrong, and didnt read the documentation.
> > You simply do not, and do not WANT to understand linux. Either that
> > or you are retarded.
> > Eterm -bg black -fg white +sb -s 10000 -F sabvga &
<RUBBISH>
> This linux thing seems like an operating system that is trying to oppose
> the user at any cost. Or maybe a non-functional DOS version -122.3, with
> a Bible of documentation that tries to teach the user how to communicate
> to the OS in machine language!
>
> Linux sux to me already, and I was only listening to a person who likes
> it!
>
> Say how do you connect to network from linux? Something like: "Jhwers
> -tr fj3h42 -ij fsd76234h +dc -u 748738967 -E fdgbazidurks ���" ?! Yuck!
> Even DOS command lines looked a lot better than that!
>
> Sure linux is stable; Only because the user can never get to all the
> advanced programs that control anything important!
></RUBBISH>
Linux doesn't hate you, you hate Linux and will never accept that it could
be any good. I know Linux and have found using it very rewarding over the
years.
the command "ifup eth0" activates a network interface.
> --
>
> Don't feel bad about asking/telling me anything, I will always gladly
> reply.
>
> For those interested in a theory of how to make AI:
> HTTP://WWW.GeoCities.COM/GTSC4/mind2.html (updated: 01.02.01)
>
> 4E6F746369656420746865204845582D41534349493F
>
> GTSC4 -- If nobody else wants to do it, why shouldn't we?(TM)
> HTTP://WWW.GeoCities.COM/GTSC4/
>
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From: "Richard Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Who LOVES Linux again?
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:40:18 -0000
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> >>
> >> Those key's only put out to a TTY console. I was running XFree86 (and
> >> actively using it) when the keyboard stopped responding.
> >
> >Liar. The TTY input is INTERRUPT DRIVEN. Therefore, it can't lock up.
> >
> >Repeat after me, Kyle
> >
> > LINUX IS NOT WINDOWS!
>
>
> Now let's all click our heels together three times and say!
>
> LINUX IS NOT WINDOWS! THANK GOD!
> LINUX IS NOT WINDOWS! THANK GOD!
> LINUX IS NOT WINDOWS! THANK GOD!
>
>
> And I DO THANK GOD LINUX IS NOT WINDOWS!
>
> THANK GOD!
>
> Charlie
>
>
AMEN
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 13:39:23 GMT
On 7 Jan 2001 06:12:22 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I have an IBM PS/2 Model 85, with 128M of memory, a couple of SCSI disks,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>an ethernet card, and an SVGA card. Disk and graphics card are original
>IBM, ethernet is a 3COM, IIRC.
Say no more.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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