Linux-Advocacy Digest #319, Volume #35           Sun, 17 Jun 01 00:13:03 EDT

Contents:
  "Strictly Linux" distributions? ("citizen")
  Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
  Re: OT:  Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance    (GreyCloud)
  Re: Is Linux for me? ("Osugi Sakae")
  Re: The Win/userbase! ("Glitch")
  Re: The Win/userbase! ("Glitch")
  Re: What does XP stands for ??? (GreyCloud)
  Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping)
  Re: The Win/userbase! ("Glitch")
  Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (GreyCloud)
  Re: The Win/userbase! ("Osugi Sakae")
  Re: The Win/userbase! ("Glitch")
  Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" ("Osugi Sakae")
  Re: Will MS get away with this one? (GreyCloud)
  Re: spot the guy who doesn't get screwed by incompetants. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")

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From: "citizen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: "Strictly Linux" distributions?
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 03:08:51 GMT

Hello

I bought two "7.1" Linux RPM-based distributions, both of which
use their own, modified versions of the Linux 2.4.2 kernel but
both of which will now have to be upgraded to the  Linux 2.4.5 kernel
to be of much use to me.

However, neither of the respective distibutors exhibits any
any interest in helping me do that at this time.

(They both seem to be becoming more like Microsoft all the time.)

I can of course compile the Linux 2.4.5 sources myself,
but I am forced to wonder if the new kernel
will be compatible with the rest of the old systems.

This is a mess even to try to talk about.

What I would like is a "Strictly Linux" distribution that does not
modify whichever version of *THE* Linux kernel it uses.

Is there anything like that available?

Thank you.




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From: Mayor Of R'lyeh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:08:04 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:21:11 GMT, Jerome Chan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us with this bit of wisdom:

>What is the use of SmartTags?

Whatever the original intent was, their effect in this group has been
to cause a masive belching of hot air and a huge upturn in the number
of black helicopter sightings by the Maccies. 8)




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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT:  Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance   
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:33:38 -0700

Chad Myers wrote:
> 
> "Anthony Neville" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9geli8$2621$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > > > How so, or how not so?
> > > >
> > > > -c
> > >
> > > I've got a good example for "how not so"... in the State of Wash. we
> > > have the initiative right to put an issue up for vote ... if we get
> > > enough signatures on an initiative it goes on the next ballot.  We voted
> > > to rescind a lot of local taxes here and it passed.  However, the
> > > opposition forces, mainly composed of liberals and
> 
> > > tax happy conservatives
> 
> That's an oxymoron. I don't think I've ever seen a "tax happy conservative".

Simple... they are liberals in conservative clothing... look at
Jeffords!


> 
> > > took it to court saying it was unconstitutional.  So much
> > > for "Power to the People".
> 
> There's liberals for you. All about taking power away from the people
> and handing it to government. Want to buy a >1.5 gal flush toilet? Nope,
> can't do that. The liberals say it's not environmentally friendly.
> 
> > I wonder why socialists are called liberals?
> 
> Usually it's the other way around.
> 
> -c

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V

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From: "Osugi Sakae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Linux for me?
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:37:12 +0900

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jack Tripper"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm seriously considering moving my computer over to linux. I thought
> maybe redhat, since a fair number of people seem to use that and there
> would be plenty of support. I see good reasons why I should and
> shouldn't go to linux.
> I should because:
> I really don't like Windows. I'm tired of upgrading and upgrading and
> watching my computers get less and less stable. Maybe I shouldn't.
> though?
> I'm quite willing (and able, I think) to learn how to use Linux. I've
> used Unix OS before but just as a university student where the hardest
> thing I had to do was use PINE, or mv blim.wav sounds/stupid and stuff
> like that.
> 
> I've read quite a bit about Linux, it seems to be quite a bit more
> stable, and the applications look configurable (to me). I mostly like to
> use my computer for internet stuff - writing web pages, random surfing,
> email, stuff like that. I also use it for mp3s.
> 
> A few quick questions if anyone wishes to answer: How big are the
> varieties of Linux? (again, I'm thinking maybe redhat) Is there a nice
> GUI HTML interface program available for Linux? I know some people have
> both Windows AND Linux on their hard drives, using a partition. My hard
> drive is all but 8.4 megs. Should I even bother trying to keep Windows?
> I don't mind reformatting the whole hard drive, I have everything
> important backed up. Oh! And what are the word processing formats for
> Linux> .txt and .doc, for instance?
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
> jason

Consider dual-booting at first, just for those times when you are either
really frustrated or really have to get something done now (and you
aren't sure how to do it in linux yet). Also, if/when you do go
completely linux, having a small windows partition can be good if you
want to use wine to run an old windows game or other must-have windows
program (like starcraft or MOO II). At that point there is no need to
dual boot, wine can handle it - but it works better with the real MS
stuff (dlls i guess).

As for which distro to try, check out Mandrake 8.0. It has a few quirks,
but is prolly the most "user-friendly" distro around (if
userfriendly=mostly gui control panel type stuff). It is aimed squarely
at the desktop (although it can of course do the server stuff as well).
Since Mandrake is 99% (whatever that means) compatible with RedHat, you
can benefit from red hat packages and help just as much as from Mandrake
packages and help.

Or you might give Progeny a try. They are debian with an installer for
the rest of us (ie easy and pretty). Debain has a reputation for being
the most complete and most stable distro around. And since they aren't a
company, they cannot go out of business (Progeny is a company and
hopefully the won't go out of business).

No matter what distro you go with, be sure to check the hardware
compatibility lists. If something you have isn't listed, it might or
might not work. Even if it is listed, you might not get all of the same
functionality under linux that you do under windows - most companies are
not putting as much effort into linux drivers but won't release enough
info for the free software developers to write drivers that can take
advantage of all that the hardware can do.

Fonts might be an issue when you start - don't let that bother you. You
can get most programs looking quite good, but it is not as easy or as
automagic as under windows. Would you prefer a stable, free, high quality
system with lots of power and choice, or one that looks as good as
possible? (if the latter, you might look into apple instead of windows or
linux).

anyhow, good luck and have fun.

--
Osugi Sakae


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From: "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Win/userbase!
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:43:06 -0400

> I concluded that if this is a problem you simply need to run an OS like
> Linux which is designed to be run safely on the internet.  The internet
> is viewed by the ignorant public at large as a safe electronic medium
> designed by geniuses for the fast and convienent use of both private
> citizens and business's for the greater good of the world economy! This
> view is absolutely WRONG!  Exposing a personal computer to the internet
> is exactly like stripping off naked and having sex with over 1,000,000
> women in less than an hour and forgetting to put on your personal
> protection device!  The internet is in reality a thilfy dirty slut of a
> woman who will hurt your machine bad if it's not designed for the
> experience!
> 

If the women weren't so promiscuous in the first place we wouldn't have
to worry about anything now would we? The same goes for guys too though.

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From: "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Win/userbase!
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:48:25 -0400

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Charles Lyttle wrote:
>> Add to those rules :
>> 3) Never run MSWord (macro virus)
>> 4) Never run Excel (macro virus)
>> 5) Never run IE
>> 6) Don't connect to the internet
> 
> You can simple change the preferences on ALL the above programs to make
> things safer than the default settings. I do not see your point.
> 
> Beside in MSWord/Excel you even have to positively ALLOW macros when you
> open up documents.

and how many people do u think actually would say "no" when they are
asked if they want to run the macro or not? You know damn well they will
hit whatever choice they feel is a more positive response in order to get
the dialog window to go away. In this case it would be "yes" and by then
the damage is done.

You may think MS gives people the chance to choose their own destiny and
in some cases that is true however you have to realize that Windows users
ARE TOO STUPID to realize they have the ability to do this or HOW to do
it in the first place.  How many Windows users even KNOW what a MACRO is?
How many actualy would relate a Virus to a MACRO? People hardly
understand what a virus is in the first place, let alone a macro, and
therefore do not correlate the 2 as being bad when combined.

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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ???
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:43:17 -0700

Michael Sims wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:54:46 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> >> Some of us might not know wtf an mx record is, yet be capable of looking it up.
> >>
> >> 
>http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/glossary/lookup?term=Mail%20exchange%20record%20(MX%20record)
> >
> >All I get is "Document not found"
> 
> Your newsreader probably sees the open parenthesis as the end of the
> URL, like mine (Forte Agent).  If you select the entire URL, copy it,
> and paste it into your address line it will work.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Sims
> mhsims at midsouth dot rr dot com
> "The beatings will continue until morale improves."
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

I did that and got the same message... I'll try searching thru their
search engine to get to it.

-- 
V

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From: LShaping <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 03:28:26 GMT

flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>LShaping <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>I knew this was going to happen.  When I saw the "When I press the
>>power button on my computer" option in Windows Millennium "Power
>>Options" I knew that it was going to malfunction.  Hello Microsoft.  I

>Enable APM legacy support is your friend at least in Windows 2k and
>Win98SE I believe.

Obviously not in the Basic Input/Output Service since your refer to it
as a Windows function.  I see no such thing in Windows Millennium.
There is a "Power buttons" box in "Power Options".  Hopefully the
plural of "button" is not an omen.  But I wont be surprised to see the
reset "button" added to the power "button" in the next Windows
"upgrade".  I could hard wire the power switch to the power supply.
Between now and then, I can use either my battery backup or surge
supressor switch whenever I feel like ordering my computer to shut
down.  
LShaping


--
"Microsoft is going to court today"

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From: "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Win/userbase!
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:52:20 -0400

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete
Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> says...
> 
>> Add to those rules :
> 
>> 3) Never run MSWord (macro virus)
> 
> Simple. Disable macros unless you know what they are.
> 

Only if you knew what they were would  u know how to do this and that it
should even be done.

>> 4) Never run Excel (macro virus)
> 
> Simple. Disable macros unless you know what they are.
> 

And how do you expect a dumb Windows user to even know to do this or to
know HOW to do this? People aren't smart enough to realize there are
options.  Linux takes a proactive approach to this, each user only has
certain privileges. If they do somethign stupid they only wipe out their
own files, which serves them right. Windows on the other hand gives a
user unlimited power but yet doesn't teach them how to use that power,
and they don't find out any other way either so obviously the answer is
to be proactive about the situation. Be on the offensive, not the
defensive

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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:49:00 -0700

Charlie Ebert wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >>
> >> Rick wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > "You've got MALE.. sex organs!" wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Translation:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > AARON is a closet homosexual, which is why he makes such a big deal
> >> > > > about trying to distance himself from it.
> >> > >
> >> > > Oh yes, the old fag "anyone who opposes us is secretly one of us" routine.
> >> > >
> >> > > There's a reason nobody ever believes that, fag..
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Perhaps this is why he never gets any sex.
> >> > >
> >> > > I do...with WOMEN.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Women. Thats plural. Thats multiple sexual partners. Well, did you know
> >> > your risk of contracting HIV is increasing exponentially?
> >>
> >> only if the women are putting sand or other abrasives in their vaginas.
> >> --
> >
> >Gives a whole new meaning to pound sand. :-)
> 
> As one of my former - 55 year old lady bosses used to tell me,
> @!#$!@ can just pound salt!  It's salt not sand....
> 
> --
> Charlie
> -------

Heheheh... up on the ocean beaches we always used to say go pound sand.

-- 
V

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From: "Osugi Sakae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Win/userbase!
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:53:23 +0900

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete
Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> 
>> Also, more virii / trojans / etc. pass themselves off as another sort
>> of file (like porn). So telling someone not to run any exe files fails
>> cause they will try to open that picture of the naked tennis player.
>> Then they will complain to you that you never said a jpeg file could
>> cause any damage.
> 
> Um, double clicking on a JPEG runs the associated viewer, not the JPEG
> itself.

double-clicking on naked-tennis-star.jpg.vb does not open the jpg
associated program. I don't know if it is the default or not, but many
users seem to have "hide file name extensions" turned on. but they are so
used to seeing extentions (on the internet?) that when they see 
naked-tennis-star.jpg in their inbox they don't realize that the .jpg
should have been hidden if it were the real extension. This is how many
of the last few serious email virii have propagated - as a vb script
pretending to be a picture. So they think it is a picture and execute a
script instead (unknowingly) - so telling them not to exec untrusted
binaries / scripts is not going to protect everyone.

Also, subseven can pretend to be almost anything and can even pop up
appropriate error messages ("this does not seem to be a valid zip file. if
you downloaded it from the internet, try downloading it again" or some
such for subseven pretending to be a zip file) while in fact it is a
trojan that has now highjacked their machine.

This sort of thing is what i was refering to when i wrote about win users
hurting themselves by opening "jpg" files.


>> actually, i believe it was designed to be a single-user, single-machine
>> sort of os. So no need for security.
> 
> Correct. Then enter the internet.

Where win9x is like a babe in the woods.

>> Many houses have locks on several doors. Bathroom, sometimes bedrooms,
>> storage rooms. And how many people have some sort of mini-safe /
>> lockbox sort of thing for important papers?
>>
>> So how many houses follow the win9x security model of "one easy-to-pick
>> lock on the front door and no other locks anywhere in the house"?
> 
> Most houses I know do.

Which one? The various different locks house or the MS no-security house?

--
Osugi Sakae


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From: "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Win/userbase!
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:59:19 -0400

> 
> Nonsense, Charlie. You can run Windows in the Internet and you can be
> safe. It doesn't take much to do it. Just a few simple rules:
> 
> 1) Don't run anything unless you trust it.
> 
> 2) Disable any scripting you can find, or don't use anything that allows
> scripting.
> 
> If I can do it, anyone can.
> 
> I'm sitting here on a machine that happily used ZoneAlarm as a personal
> firewall. I've never been attacked yet. I've never seen a virus either.
> 


When you find a laymen Windows user who knows about scripting, realizes
it's bad, and *knows* how to turnit off, let me know so i can write it
down in the record books.

Of course anyone can do it, but how many people realize they should and
KNOW how to do it as well?

I believe the argument stops here.

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From: "Osugi Sakae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:01:18 +0900

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "drsquare"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:36:02 +0900, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>  ("Osugi Sakae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

[snip]

>>In fairness, i guess that if you try to install something extremely new
>>that no one has made a package for, the install would fail. Probably
>>just give you some error like "gnucash version ### is already installed"
>>where version ### would be the old version because it didn't know about
>>the new version yet. If it knows about it, it will know about all
>>dependencies and get them ok.
> 
> Which is all well and good if there is a package for it. But for the
> large majority of software, there isn't.


Excuse me? The large majority of software? For example?

Even if you can find some major piece of software that hasn't been made
into a .deb, you can still install from source or (if i understand
correctly) use alien to import an rpm package.

But i seriously doubt you could find a major piece of software that isn't
available already for debian. Small projects and short scripts don't
count because:

they are unlike to require sixty something libraries - which is how we
got on this topic - and thus would be relatively easy to install

some smaller programs / scripts are meant just to be put into $HOME/bin
and run from their by the individual user. So packaging is not an issue.

So what large majority of software are you talking about?

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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:00:50 -0700

Mark wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> , GreyCloud wrote:
> >Peter Hayes wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:30 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Said Form@C in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:09:58 GMT;
> >> > >T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> >> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> >> > >
> >> > ><snip>
> >> > >> That is impossible.  Apple makes hardware; you can't be predatory in a
> >> > >> software market if you are only making money selling hardware.  Apple
> >> > >> has always had a great balance between compatibility and proprietary
> >> > >> value-add, I think.
> >> > >>
> >> > ><snip>
> >> > >
> >> > >Isn't it suprising how quickly Apple supporters (in particular) have
> >> > >forgotten Apples past "dirty tricks"?
> >> > >
> >> > >Remember the hard-sector disks that Apple kept using for years after
> >> > >everyone else (almost) had ditched them?
> >> >
> >> > No, I don't.  When was that?
> >>
> >> Instead of identifying sectors in software as happens when you format a
> >> floppy, Apple's hard sectored disks had a series of holes, generally 16 of
> >> them, to identify the sectors. Wozniak did it that way because he didn't
> >> have the cash for disk controller hardware.
> >>
> >> <...>
> >>
> >> > Apple has always had a great balance between compatibility and
> >> > proprietary value-add, I think.
> >>
> >> Doesn't matter how many times you say it Max, it doesn't make it true.
> >>
> >> Apple have shafted just as many people as Microsoft, the only difference
> >> being that Apple's victims were the little guy and Microsoft took on the big
> >> boys.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >
> >I dont' recall any holes in any floppy disk I used to have on my Apple
> >II.
> >The sector writing and positioning was all done in software on two proms
> >on the disk controller.
> >When I purchased UCSD pascal for it I also received two new proms.
> >
> 
> Err, apple's are renowned for it, the CPM ones, at least!
> --
> Mark Kent

The NorthStart Horizon that I had was a true hard-sectored floppy
drive.  Examination of the hard-sectored floppy diskette shows there is
one-index hole and 10 sector holes near the hub ring.
Apple was not hard-sectored.  It only had one index sector hole near the
hub-ring.
Also in that day there was an attempt to prevent piracy by writing to
the floppy controller to move over the sectors or even change the sector
count.  In other words you couldn't copy the diskette because the proms
would use the default settings.  It was all done in software.

-- 
V

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: spot the guy who doesn't get screwed by incompetants.
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:01:10 -0400

Steve Chaney wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:10:28 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> Did Errunt R Kookla ever tell you about how he got mad and threw a drink at
> the wall in a Russian airport one day?

Hah, you got THAT wrong.

1) It was at an airline ticket-replacement office...where I had arrived
        for the FOURTH TIME in as many days...and they still had not
        accomplished the 10-minute procedure of making a replacement
        ticket for my flight back home (which, it later turns out, was
        stolen by one of their OWN employees in New York...but that's
        another matter).

2) I didn't throw a drink at any wall.

        I took out a 2-liter bottle of Coke which I was carrying SPECIFICALLY
        for the purpose of adding a little bit of color to their brand
        new white WHITE carpeting, furniture, and wallpaper?

        Why?

        Because they were VIOLATING the Warsaw Convention (on international
        air travel) by not replacing my lost ticket IMMEDIATELY....and I
        had no time to start some stupid bureacratic procedure when the
        start of the next business day was 24 hours AFTER my return flight.
        Thus...I decided that if they were going to act in a way that 
        cost ME money...then I would make sure that it cost THEM even more.

        As soon as I started to do that...oh, boy, were they EAGER EAGE EAGER
        to get my problem resolved PRONTO!

It's all fun and games until the customer starts causing you more
damage than you could ever hope to get out of him (in bribes)...
to do the job you're SUPPOSED to be doing in the first place.

It was REALLY funny watching one of the clerks run to get the very
same manager whom, only 5 minutes earlier, she claimed was nowhere
on the premises.

HAH!



Oh...and when the police came...and my friend explained how only
two days earlier...upon seeing a disabled Chechnyan war-vet while
we were going through the train station (lost 1 leg)...I pulled out
US $200 and gave it to him (as a simple soldier-to-soldier we all have
to stick together kind of thing)....the police were VERY much
sympathetic to my side of the story.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
   can defeat the email search bots.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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