Linux-Advocacy Digest #560, Volume #31 Thu, 18 Jan 01 21:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux?
Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (.)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (.)
Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: TCO challenge: [was Linux 2.4 Major Advance] ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux?
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:36:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:12:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie
>Ebert) wrote:
>
>
>>That's fine. Why don't you put a yellow funnel in your nose,
>>go out into the backyard, look up at the sky and pray to god
>>for rain.
>
>Because I'm having too much fun watching you do it?
>
Sad life you have then.
>
>
>>The problem with this logic is W2k isn't an operating system.
>>
>>It's a peice of shit.
>
>I like to look at it as an applications launcher.
>MacOS is another applications launcher.
>Linux could be an applications launcher, if it had applications worth
>launching.
>
It does.
>
>>
>>You still haven't heard of Debian? You know Debian has
>>4400 packages and is designed to be downloaded from the
>>net for free. All of it.
>
>Sure I have.
> Corel tried to build that horrific distribution they put out on
>Debian.
>
As with most things, 1/2 like it, 1/2 hate it.
>
>>
>>You really do live in the past don't you.
>
>If 2 hours ago is the past, yea I guess so.
>
Windows is dead.
Windows is the OS for the geritol generation.
>
>>
>>>Of course you can get a $1.99 CD at Cheapbytes, but again, no support
>>>and not a full system like the $35.95 version
>>>
>>
>>Intelligence does have a bearing here.
>
>Of course it doesn't because you Penguinista's love sitting for hours
>downloading some image instead of spending $1.99 to buy one.
>>
It's quicker.
>>
>>>Install?
>>>
>>>Linux about 25 minutes and one reboot.
>>>Windows 2k, about an hour and I honestly lost track of reboots (3 or
>>>4).
>>>
>>
>>
>>Linux, about 45 minutes.
>>W2k an hour.
>
>Your system is slow.
>
Oh yeah. Linux runs okay on even 486's.
W2k on the other hand is just like every other
Windows OS. It requires a brand new computer to
go with it.
>>But with Linux you end up with an operting system.
>>With W2k you end up with an emulation of an operating system.
>
>With Linux you end up spending the next week trying to figure out how
>to make the rest of your hardware work.
>You know, all the stuff that wasn't auto detected.
I run Debian. You push the buttons.
>>
>>>Linux wins for basic install.
>>>
>>
>>Debian's install is improving with the next release but
>>the main point is you don't need to do it again.
>
>That's for sure.
>Once is more than enough to scare anyone away.
>
Well then I guess we won't be seeing you back here again
then.
>
>>With Windows it's this continual thing of having
>>to reinstall your emulation as it blew it's cork.
>
>I've never re-installed Win2k.
>Just put SP1 on and everything worked perfectly.
>
You must use it for a night light.
>
>>We lost some Windows boxes from ILOVEYOU but Linux so far
>>has never felt any pain from being our firewall.
>
>You were probably rooted a long time ago and don't even know it.
>
You mean the VB executor was rooted.
>
>>
>>This get's back to the install.
>>Everything you mentioned is supported but you have to know how
>>to install it.
>
>I don't have to do a thing under Win2k.
>It all works perfectly.
>
Oh really. I've never heard of a Windows which
was intuitive enought to setup up your internet
service for you. How is that accomplished anyway
without touching the keyboard?
Do you have some kind of helmet?
>>
>
>>On Debian you don't need to do anything for the CDROM if it's ATAPI.
>>For the SBlive you just click load EMU10K driver.
>
>And you end up with a half working sound card.
Actually the ladies like my XMMS and SBLive module
better than their 98 or ME boxes.
>
>
>>I can't really tell the difference. Pray tell, what is it?
>
>Evidently somebody can:
>
Well, if you don't have 2 ounces of hardened
wax in your ears it sounds better.
>Read the "Font De-Uglification" How-To for details.
>
Yes we have fonts. Even the ability to use Windows Fonts.
>>
>>
>>>How about xmms?
>>>Compare it to the CD Player offered in the standard Win2k install
>>>(V5.5 I believe).
>>>
>>
>>
>>XMMS looks cooler, has SKINS which the W2k thing doesn't,
>>and plays better as it's running on Linux.
>
>No it doesn't, it skips all over the place and the lettering on just
>about all the skins is blurry and boxy looking.
>It looks like shit.
>
Yes it does. The Windows player is about as attractive
as a pay toilet or a Ford Pinto.
>>That's probably why they did that movie Titanic on Linux
>>instead of Windows.
>It was a rendering farm, crunching numbers.
>
Yes. digital pictures you know.
Like your comment earlier about digital sounds.
You know computers are digital devices......
>>
>>>See how slick and smooth and pleasing to the eye the Microsoft Player
>>>looks?
>>>See how boxy and crude xmms looks?
>>>Did you try making it double size?
>>>Can you even look at it without laughing?
>>>It's a jagged mess.
>>>
>>>How about Gaim?
>>>Look at the directory tree that shows your buddies.
>>>See how the tree is broken with nasty looking charactors?
>>>Take a look at the WIndows equivilant, smooth and clean looking.
>>>Which one looks better?
>>>
>>
>>
>>They have a fancier AIM for Windows but GAIM works just as well.
>
>It looks like shit.
>
Ladies don't think so.
>>
>>>How about GVpic or whatever that program that is an ACDsee clone is
>>>called.
>>>
>>>Miserable thing take 3 minutes to load a directory of a couple
>>>thousand pics
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Considering you don't know how to push EMU10K to load the
>>SBLive driver I will hold judgement on how you set up your
>>partitions and hard drive.
>
>That has nothing to do with it.
>The program sucks compared to ACDsee.
>
Nope. The Ladies love it.
>>Linux properly set up by Chimpanzee's will smoke W2k in
>>EVERY performance test you can throw at it.
>
>As long as you don't have to look at the screen for too long.
>
Nope it does this with the monitor off also.
But I'm glad you agree with me on this.
>
>>This sounds like the battle of the bloat!
>>Are you braggin here or complaining?
>
>StarOffice wins the bloat battle.
>
Microsoft office absolutely wins the bloat battle.
It's 4 times the size.
>
>>The Pimp ass newsreader on Debian runs just fine and doesn't
>>die. That's because Debian took the time to test all their
>>software, unlike others who make Linux distributions.
>
>That may be, it doesn't work well under Mandrake or SuSE though.
>I've never used Debian, except for that Corel POS.
>
Debian leaves it's users with a better taste in their mouths.
>>And with Debian you have your choice of 20 some odd other
>>newsreaders to use. I'm using SLRN which works VERY WELL!
>
>As long as you don't mind using slrnpull to create a local spool and
>deal with it.
>
It installs so automatically using Dselect.
BTW, a large chunk of the WINDOWS BLOAT is you have NO CONTROL
over what you are installing. Debian is the BEST at eliminating
BLOAT!
>You can't do what I mentioned above though. Every time you want to
>change a group setting you have to edit the config file.
>I can change ANY of the properties on a group by group basis on the
>fly.
>
HA! Your crazy. I do this interactively on the screen.
You SHOULD at least use it before you comment.
>
>Flatfish
>Why do they call it a flatfish?
>Remove the ++++ to reply.
It's appearent from reading your comments that your a
mis-informed investor.
I think you should USE something then ask yourself the
question what would OTHER people find wrong with this.
Don't ask yourself as YOUR the trapped investor.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux?
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:37:27 -0000
On 19 Jan 2001 01:16:59 GMT, Lewis Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Donn Miller was heard ranting about <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
>alt.linux.sux on 16 Jan 2001
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> Mandrake 7.2 cost $35.95-$120 at Borders Books in NYC depending on
>>> version (PowerPack was the most expensive).
>>>
>>> Win2k Pro upgrade is about $115.00 average price mail order.
>>> Full support is included.
>>
>>Whoa, slow down thar. First off, no one forced you to use Mandrake;
>>there's other choices in Linux distros. Secondly, what does Win 2000
>>Pro cost if you have a blank machine with no operating system on it?
>>You're going to paying at least $199. So, you only get the "lower"
>>price of $115 iff you've already been pumping money into Microsoft's
>>pocket, i.e., have an existing NT installation. So, for the upgrade,
>>what you are paying is the price of the previous version of NT PLUS the
>>special upgrade to Win 2000. So, assuming you paid $120 for NT 4.0, and
>>then "upgraded" to Win 2000, what you actually paid for Win 2000 pro is
>>$120 + $115, which adds up to $235. I hardly consider this to be a
>>bargain.
>
>Also to really compare, you would have to get Win2k Advanced Server edition
>I do believe.
...perhaps even Datacenter.
[deletia]
Plus, Mandrake is not as bad as it's being made out to be. They're
pushing the desktop envelope better than Redhat. Furthermore, Redhat
itself is buggy as are all of the shrinkwrap distros to a certain
degree.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:41:16 GMT
On 19 Jan 2001 01:13:12 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lewis Miller)
wrote:
>OK first off, when ppl compare anything to Linux why do they always grab
>Mandrake. Mandrake sucks.. POS Distro, get the real Red Hat.
Because the real RedHat is a pos. Everything from bad default path
statements (ie:you install a program and can't execute it) to a long
list of major bugs like Glint, mis-named kernel (they put an extra
extension on it) so re-compile failed and so forth.
It may be the only thing jedi and I agree on :(
>>Mandrake 7.2 cost $35.95-$120 at Borders Books in NYC depending on
>>version (PowerPack was the most expensive).
>>
>>Win2k Pro upgrade is about $115.00 average price mail order.
>>Full support is included.
>
>or better yet sign up for a class at a local college with a site license.
>With the proper MS site licence for a school, they get a licence for every
>workstation and server, and one for each employee to take home, and all
>students get one. this equals Win2k for pretty much free if you're a
>college student. And if you're in college you usually have something like a
>T3 connection so downloading the 2 640 meg images files for the Red Hat
>discs, is just a couple hour download while you sleep.
>So I can get both, and Have gotten both for free. Don't pay what you don't
>have to.
I saw Win2k Pro upgrade for $99.00 at Staples in NY today.
>ok, first you are using Mandrake. Sucks, and if you don't know how to close
>down ports you shouldn't be using linux, in fact I would debate if you
>should even be using a computer. Second, of course Win2k is closed down,
>unless you get advanced server ed. it's a workstation, it doesn't need
>ports open. That's kinda like saying WFWG is secure because it doesn't have
>a bunch of open ports.
Wrong.. You have obviously never used Win2k. All the nasty ports (ftp
etc) are closed down by default yet with the click of a mouse you can
open whatever you please, individually on each connection I might add.
Point is, if Linux is trying to appeal to desktop, they should shut
them all down.
SuSE is even worse in that regard.
>Win2k never did detect my SGI/Sony monitor, keeps telling me I can't use
>the settings it supports. Linux, I don't remember if it detected it or not,
>I'd just as soon put in the settings myself. For my Digital camera I had to
>install the software on Win2k, linux had software already installed for it.
I didn't install any software for my camera. It just worked under
Win2k. I couldn't even get USB working under Linux (Mandrake 7.2) so
the camera was a non-issue.
>
>>Sound?
>>Linux seems to think my SBLive and CDROM were designed to only provide
>>DAE mode of operation which is nice if you want to watch your system
>>crawl to a halt. Under WIn2k I could turn it off by checking a box. I
>>still have not figured out how to do it under Linux, and no
>>Penguinista has been able to tell me how.
>
>ok, well I don't play CD's on my Linux machine, that's what my stereo is
>for. The CD drive on my Linux machine, is for putting data into the
>machine. tho most of that comes from over the network. I don't think I've
>even opened the CD drive more than a dozen times, not counting bumping the
>button.
Same for me, but I was making a point.
>Um, I like netscape. The text? I can configure the size so it looks fine,
>in IE I can only change the font, I can'r directly configure the defualt
>pitch sizes. Hell I run Netscape even on my Windows machine, usually
>handles JAVA better.
Many will disagree with you, but whatever floats your boat.
BTW View->Text Size will allow you to change the size of the text in
IE 5.x on the fly.
It appears you haven't used Windows in a while?
>Pleasing to the eyes is pretty much meaningless.You want pretty graphics go
>use a Mac lord knows they're usless for anything but looking 'pleasing'.
>blah. Besides again I don't play much audio CD on my computers, unless I'm
>doing extraction, and even then I usually port it in from my stereo. And I
>never use the CD player that comes with Windows, I use WinAmp when I need
>to. How can you use a sound program with no graphics equalizer?
It looks like a mess.
You can barely tell what song it is playing.
I run a recording studio and the term "Graphic Equalizer", makes me
shudder with all kinds of phase distortions.
>>H
>Or you can just use AIM express, besides AOL has an official release for
>Linux. Not that I see a lot of reason to have AIM on my Linux box.
Point taken. I did not know that.
>Well I tried StarOffice on both Windows and Linux, it's not bad, esp for
>being completely free of charge. Tho there's not a whole lot of need for
>an Office package on Linux. Do your self a favor and grab Lotus Suite, or
>better yet, make your own. Word Perfect or WordStar, Lotus 1-2-3, and say
>DBase or Alpha 4/5. :)
I didn't know Lotus made a suite for Linux?
I use Lotus under Windows and like it a lot.
I'm no fan of MSOffice at all.
>
>Yuck? No I'm a windows user, and the last time I used off-line news, was
>Blue Wave packets off BBSs about 6-8 years ago. Launching attachments? I
>download attachments, then decide what to do with them. I hate when shit
>like Outlook Express tries to open images inline. and HTML in a news
>group??! Fuck no, that's just a sin. News Groups are text only, unless
>you're in a bianary group.
Agree on the Outlook part, but that is why I don't use it. I use Agent
instead.
You are missing a lot not reading news offline though.
>Again this comes back to the server workstation point. Linux is a better
>OS, because it's better server. A workstation is just an appendage. But
>anyways the News Readers aren't bad for Linux. Try finding a good one for
>Windows, Xnews is the best I can find. Simple, fast, and configurable.
Newsreaders suck for offline reading under Linux.
Xnews is nice, so is Agent.
>
>Again, I like Netscape. I run both Netscape and IE on my Windoze box. And a
>good portion of the time when I use the WEB off of Linux I use lynx, :)
>which I also got a copy for Windoze because it's a nice tool.
Can't go along with that one. I don't like Netscape under Windows,
Linux or Aix.
>I would hope I'd notice it dialing out, since I have the speaker on, but
>then that can be turned off with an AT command. But then I would notice the
>lights flashing on my Modem. And besides most of the linux boxes I've used
>don't have modems, they only have NIC cards.
Same thing...A trojan planted on your system can send out anything to
anyone whenever it feels like it.
Windows is having major problems with this now (ie "QAZ trojan), but
Linux will have it's turn when it becomes popular enough.
I suspect the monitoring programs will come along as well.
>Why not use a 'hardcore' distro?
>Hmm I've got SuSE sitting on my desk, haven't tried it yet. But first I
>want to try this copy of BSD/OS... hmm.
It will just further discourage an already frustrated newbie.
Snip.....
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:44:20 +1300
> > Linux is not at all at fault in this scenario. You have issues with the
> > limitations of one filesystem. Exactly like the limitations of FAT or
> > NTFS (I know NTFS can handle larger files than ext2, but that doesn't
> > mean it doesn't have its limits).
>
> The only real limitation of NTFS I'm aware of is slow new-file creation when
> dealing with orders of tens of millions of files.
There are limitations on file sizes and numbers, as there must be...
luckily, the max filesize with NTFS is huge, but it wont be long before
people are hitting that limit too (if they haven't already).
> Sometimes ago someone mentioned ADS as an NTFS exploit, but I've found
> absolutely no information about this.
ADS?
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From: . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:48:10 +1300
> >I suspect you don't care (or perhaps already know?), but if you'd like to
> >stop scandisk coming up just because the machine crashed, you can add
> >Autoscan=0
> >to your MSDOS.SYS file under the [Options] heading. Alternatively, you
> >can install TweakUI and turn it off with that.
>
> Yea, you can hit a key to abort it, too, but that's not quite the best
> idea, is it? This is Windows we're talking about.
Heh.. I like to turn it off, because I get sick of hitting that key =)
Win98 crashes more often than I restart it... I consider 'crashing' to
include an intentional restart to fix resource leaks and crappy
response... it would lead to a crash soon enough if I didn't restart it.
The possibility of a corrupted filesystem doesn't really bother me too
much, since I expect that of 98 anyway. I run scandisk every so often
when I need to (e.g to fix the not-shutting-down problem from time to
time).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:49:20 GMT
On 19 Jan 2001 01:22:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lewis Miller)
wrote:
>Good point. Besides the best support I've found for Linux or Windows, is
>news groups or web pages. Phone support is for shit. For most ppl. Tho bar
>none the best I ever ran into was for Adtran, but then that was hardware.
Absolutely, but I have to put a plug in here for Lexmark support.
I bought a z42 printer a couple of months ago (same as the z52
advertised all over TV but slightly slower) and I had a weird problem
under Win2k. I have a network of several PC's all running Win2k and
the printer is on one of them.
Every so often, from various different PC's and using applications,
the user would select print, the dialog box would say printing (the
little man would talk and say printing) and it would complete.
Only problem was the paper never moved and the printer never printed!!
The only way I found out of this was to print a test page via control
panel and then things would work ok, until the next time.
I tried USB and PP with same bad luck.
Finally a call to support and after the initial script jockey couldn't
solve the bug I was switched to a "Win2k Specialist". Yea right, was
my initial thought. Well this lady knew her stuff down cold and fixed
the bug in about 3 minutes. It was my swap file which was screwed up.
Soooooooo give a big round of applause to Lexmark, and BTW they HAVE
Linux drivers for the z52, so there you go. I will also say that the
z42 I have is an excellent, solidly built printer.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: TCO challenge: [was Linux 2.4 Major Advance]
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:57:36 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:54:58 +0200, Leonardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:9429n6$11rm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Conrad Rutherford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> : You certainly mean "Linux replace Windows" - windows is already here,
> >it's
> >> : entrenched. The new kid on the block is Linux, [...snip]
> >>
> >> Not for servers. It was quite clear he was talking about servers.
> >> For servers, Windows is more of a newcomer than Linux (although I
> >> suppose Linux is actually younger, but it gains a lot of
> >> "entrenchment" for free by being a UNIX clone.).
> >
> >Total bullshit.
> >Windows is The nurmebr one in servers if you count all servers not just
>
> ...only if you count by single vendor.
>
> However, if you count by OS family in aggregate Unix still
> has a lead against windows. HELL, the IDC numbers only
> credit Microsoft with one third of the market.
>
> That's hardly a dominating lead by any metric.
Microsoft marketing has recently re-defined "number one" as last place.
>
> >those that are www related.
> >And it is growing it's market share all the time.
>
> No, according to IDC the NT marketshare has been stagnant for
> the last two years. It's Linux that is growing it's market
> share all the time.
>
> --
>
> Common Standards, Common Ownership.
>
> The alternative only leads to destructive anti-capitalist
> and anti-democratic monopolies.
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DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Win2k vs Linux? Why downgrade to Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 02:01:38 GMT
On 19 Jan 2001 01:34:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lewis Miller)
wrote:
>I admit I've reinstalled Win2k LESS than NT. But I've still redone Win2k
>several times, including one time when Windows somehow lost permissions to
>it's own files... ? How the fuck that happened I don't know.
>Linux, I've installed.. I don't think I've ever reinstalled it, except
>when totaly redoing a server.
I had a friend who somehow munged the entire installation up and every
time he re booted it would say "saving settings", "loading settings"
and go round and round and round.
Could not fix it either with emergency disk or boot floppies and
recovery console.
Only time I have ever seen a re-install though.
>And this is a GOOD thing? Sorry I would say this is a bad thing. Not
>having to know anything, is promoting ignorance. and ignorance should be a
>punishable crime. Knowledge is power is more than a tag line, it's a fact.
>Be a student for life, always learn. Every good teacher is so, because they
>are also a good student.
I agree it "IS" a bad thing, but you know something Lewis, I have
given up long ago trying to keep track of what is where, what changed
and where my system actually "is" anymore.
I used to tweak Qemm or Bluemax, my Autoexec/confi.sys files and so
forth. I was the guy who got 630k of free memory so I could run F19 by
Microprose without a custom boot disk.
Those days are gone, for better or worse.
I haven't got a clue as to what is where and with the exception of my
data I don't care.
I wish that I could have control of this, but software and operating
systems have just gotten so complex, that I prefer to concentrate on
my applications instead of screwing around with an os.
Isn't that what computing is all about?
Making life easier?
>>>That's probably why they did that movie Titanic on Linux
>>>instead of Windows.
>>It was a rendering farm, crunching numbers.
>
>Yes, and? Why do you think SGI uses IRIX? good graphics, good sound? =
>crunching numbers. Actually, all computer processes are number crunching.
>
>But whatever.
>
>>>They have a fancier AIM for Windows but GAIM works just as well.
>>
>>It looks like shit.
>
>Um? Again, pointless. Does it work? OK then that's all that matters.
>Content is more important than appearance.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS-X GUI on Linux?
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:00:03 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > It's complex layer upon complex layer. It's fast becoming a house of
> cards.
> >
> > No, it's SIMPLE AND RELIABLE LAYER upon SIMPLE AND RELIABLE LAYER...
>
> I hate to tell you this, but X is not a "simple" layer. Looked at the X
> reference manuals lately? In fact, X's complexity is the main reason for
> toolkits like QT, gtk+, etc..
Wrong. X executes a lot of SIMPLE, RELIABLE actions. Graphical interfaces
require lots of COMPLEX behaviors....
The toolkits are libraries of standard, complex behavior, encoded in
the simple, reliable library calls provided by X.
>
> > And it's rock-solid.
>
> Which kind of rock might that be? Pumice?
Granite.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
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