Linux-Advocacy Digest #644, Volume #31 Sun, 21 Jan 01 21:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: X Locks up; Hell PR rep says, 'Its getting cold down here' (The Ghost In The
Machine)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (Giuliano Colla)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: 10,000 to 20,000 Linux/Alphas - CLUSTERED! (.)
Re: Windows curses fast computers (Edward Rosten)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Crappy CDROM? (mlw)
Re: Please tell me your motherboard name if it works properly in Linux (spicerun)
Re: Comparison of Linux/Apache versus Win2000 server uptime (Jim Richardson)
Re: More to think about... (Milton)
Re: Loki has trouble playiong their own games under Linux!!!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Loki has trouble playiong their own games under Linux!!!!! (.)
Please help! adding a line ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (.)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (J Sloan)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source ("Chad Myers")
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin (SoneoneElse)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: X Locks up; Hell PR rep says, 'Its getting cold down here'
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:26:05 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Bones
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:38:41 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>Whoa! It looks like I've had my first hard lock-up of X ever.
>
>...So, there I was downloading junk off the gnutella network with Gnut, the
>CLI gtella client. I decided to flip over to another vt and fire up X to do
>some browsing with Netscape. Uh oh, the keyboard and the mouse stop
>responding, (I can't kill X with Ctrl+Alt+BS, and Linux won't respond to the
>three finger salute either.)
I think that might be a glitch (or a feature?) somewhere in XFree86,
although I can't be 100% sure. But X does seem to ignore the
classic three-finger salute.
I'm also assuming that CTRL-Fn didn't work either. (X might not have
entered the event loop; it may have been waiting for a mouse response.
Hmm....)
>
>I regained my senses after the initial knee-jerk panic reaction and noticed
>some things: The modem was still receiving data. Hmmm, looks like the kernel
>and all the other processes are happily humming along. I was downloading a
>large file (for a 28.8 modem connection), so I decided to let Gnut finish
>its work. In the meantime, the screen saver kicked on -- more proof. Damn,
>no working machine handy to ssh in and shutdown the box.
>
>I hit the power switch after the download was done and thought about the
>problem for a second.
I hope you waited for bdflush. :-)
>My dual boot box defaulted to Win95 in the process,
>where it proceeded to lock up with nothing but an empty desktop and a
>pointer. Ahhhh.... I'd been tinkering in the BIOS with IRQ settings before.
>I power-cycled the machine again and went into the BIOS setup. Just as I
>suspected, I had accidentally set IRQ 12 to only be used by 'ISA', so my
>PS/2 mouse no longer had an IRQ.
>
>I fixed the setting and booted the machine to Linux. Everything now works
>wonderfully. Almost thought I had a real Linux problem for a few minutes
>there. I feel so left out, I never have any problems with Linux.
Ah, a hardware problem! That'll bring down any OS.
I'm glad it worked out, though.
>
>----
>Bones
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 0d:02h:59m actually running Linux.
The EAC doesn't exist, but they're still watching you.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:28:48 GMT
J Sloan wrote:
>
> JS PL wrote:
>
> > Just trying to explain it would be revolting.
> > "O.K. grandma, to play the cd you'll have to mount the cd drive." NO NO
> > STOP!! Step away from the computer granmdma!!
>
> This is just the sort of widespread cluelessness among
> wintrolls, who endeavor to make people think Linux is too
> difficult to use.
>
> Of course the wintrolls are far from reality as usual.
>
> You do not mount a CD to play it - in fact, there's no way
> to even mount an audio CD. You just click on the player
> icon, wait a moment for the song titles to appear, and click
> on the play button.
>
> jjs
If you want it done the easy way, you use the KDE desktop. You insert
the CD, and listen the music. That's all. Click the mixer icon if you
want to adjust volume.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:30:55 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:19:38 GMT, "Chris Ahlstrom"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Very helpful answer, flathead. T, it does. It is pretty easy to set up.
> >It will automount both data and audio CDs.
>
> You don't want me to give away all of Linux's secrets now do you?
>
> What would be the fun in that?
>
> No How-To's to read?
> No Mini-How-To's (is that for Native American Indians? BTW)
> No FAQ's?
> No Man pages to search?
> No endless trips to Redhat's home page?
>
> What "fun" would Max have with Linux if that were the case?
Well, actually, you would be disappointed to learn that RedHat 7 does
indeed eliminate a lot of the need to know what you're doing.
I've had quite a lot of fun myself trying to find HOWTO's for
Windows NT features... can't find them. Had a lot of fun trekking
to support.microsoft.com looking for mini-HOWTO's and FAQ type
information. Wasted a lot of time on Windows looking for man
pages. Then I found the so-called help and answer wizards.
Useless, utterly useless. Had to beg borrow and steal a set
of MSDN disks just to have some documentation. And, of course,
trying to navigate microsoft.com's support pages.
flatfish, you are utterly clueless. What the hell do you
DO with computers?
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: 10,000 to 20,000 Linux/Alphas - CLUSTERED!
Date: 22 Jan 2001 00:31:55 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The same word is used for singular mainframes containing hundreds of
> NODES.
> But not the same thing as a clustered system of machines.
In some cases it is. See the e10000 for details.
=====.
--
"It's natural to expect there might be people doing stupid things
with computers"
---Michael Vatis, director of the FBI's national infrastructure
protection center commenting on Y2K concerns about hacker attacks
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From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows curses fast computers
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:32:23 +0000
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Then 1 out of 3 times that
> > > > blasted thing manages to find a new Ethernet card and installs it a
> second
> > > > time, rendering Network inoperable. You have to remove those bogus
> entries
> > > > AND install that damn card again.
> > >
> > > This sounds like a flaky PnP or ACPI bios to me. Windows uses the BIOS
> to
> > > detect the hardware. If the BIOS is telling windows there's a new card
> > > there, it'll try and detect it.
> >
> > Have you ever admitted that anything was Windows' fault? A while back
> > when the trolls were whining about Linux being unable to always detect >
> > 64M of ram due to bad BIOS, you said it was the fault of Linux because
> > Win could do it properly. Now we have windows screwing up because of bad
> > BIOS (but not Linux) but this time its NOT the OS's fault, because the
> > os is Windows.
>
> There's a difference here. In the flaky PnP or ACPI bios, the bios claims
> to do something properly that it isn't. Since the BIOS says it's PnP or
> ACPI, windows believes it. In the memory detection problem, it's simply an
> old bios that didn't know about larger memory. It's easy to tell if the
> BIOS supports larger memory or not, and the OS should know this.
>
> > > > Well, this has no direct connection with
> > > > shutdown, but would not occur if MicroShit had done their job a little
> > > > better. But then again, why do they have to do that FUCKING hardware
> > > > detection every power on??
> > >
> > > Because you might have added new hardware? That's kind of the point.
> >
> > No one I know adds new hardware every time they switch the computer on.
>
> When do you suggest would be a good time to detect the hardware? Keep in
> mind that most end-users don't know what they're doing.
I don't use much hardware autodetect anyway (I know what I've got in my
box). From playing with a friends RH6.2 box, I found the hardware
autodetection at every boot annyoing. Seeing as most Linux users have a
clue, I'd rather the OS detected H/W when it was told, not on every boot
up.
I think that's fine for any OS really, since end users who don't have a
clue won't have enough of a clue to install new hardware anyway.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:32:38 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Nope I'm not from any marketing organization, and I could care less
> what Microsoft does as long as they continue to produce the quality,
> easy to use and widely accepted as standard, applications they produce
> now.
>
> And if that should not come to pass, I will use my Mac which in some
> ways is better than both Linux and Windows.
.NET here we come!
--
Flipping the Bozo bit at 400 MHz
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:35:32 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Better talk to all your Linvocate partners who keep telling me how
> easy it is to find information on the net to repair a defective out of
> the box operating system like Linux.
> They call me names for NOT turning to the groups for help.
> The recent "Font De-Uglification How-To discussion is one example.
The funny thing is that you think you don't have to do that kind
of stuff with Windows (of any type).
That could be a little true, if you do only word-processing,
I suppose.
But, since you took such delight in Charlie's irate response,
it is obvious you are a troll, and it's time to stop rising to
the bait.
Chris
--
Man who would become master fisherman
must first become master baiter.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Crappy CDROM?
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:04:33 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Here's one for you:
> >
> > I have a dual processor system, and a Promise IDE66 card. I have a CDROM
> > and a CDWR on one channel, and a hard disk on the other. The IDE ports
> > on the MOBO are also filled.
> >
> > If I do this:
> >
> > cat /dev/cdrom > file.iso
> >
> > cat /dev/cdrom | cmp file.iso
> >
> > (With the file on a MOBO controlled disk) It runs until end of file,
> > with no errors.
> >
> >
> > If, while I am doing that, I copy a big file from one drive to the drive
> > on the promise card, I get compare errors.
>
> Thanks for backing up my point that IDE CD-R's are unreliable.
>
> Yes, IDE is a very poor technology. The only reason it sells so much is
> that it's cheap. SCSI requires onboard processors for the drive, and makes
> them more expensive.
Poor Erik.
IDE drives and SCSI drives are almost identical. Both require processors
embedded in the drive. In fact, IDE stands for "Integrated Drive
Electronics."
Back in the days of MFM drives, a small CPU (often a Z80) was on the MFM
controller board, and the winchester drives were raw peripherals
(ST-251, ST-220). IDE drives moved the MFM controllers to the hard
disks. The IDE interface was merely a set of IO ports and an interrupt.
Over the last 10 years, IDE became EIDE, ATA, etc. The specification has
become quite elaborate, with DMA, PIO, caching, etc.
It is not the controller that makes a difference, it is the electrical
characteristics of the interface. SCSI is terminated at both ends. This
forces a high current source/drain for data and control signals, making
the back plane pretty noise free. IDE on the otherhand, is unterminated
5v logic (yuck).
The reason why SCSI sells for more is that most SCSI applications are at
a higher end. SCSI drives typically have a higher spindle RPM, better
seek times, and longer MTBF. However, some OEMs make IDE and SCSI
versions of the same drive and they are almost identical except for the
bus interface section. Sometimes, the controller board is the same
print, with different interface components installed.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Please tell me your motherboard name if it works properly in Linux
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:25:41 -0600
Jerry Wong wrote:
> I want to gather information on the compatibility of Motherboards on
> Linux.
>
Gigabyte GA-6BXD (Intel 440BX AGPset) Motherboard running dual PIIs/333
Mhz (soon to be PIIIs/600 Mhz).
Although Bios updates were needed for the board to work under Windows 2K
<according to the Gigabyte newsgroup>,
I've never had to upgrade the bios. Linux works perfectly on it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Comparison of Linux/Apache versus Win2000 server uptime
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:13:51 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:38:29 +0100,
Davorin Mestric, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>somehow there was no doubt that the best representative would be choosen
>from the group. :)
>
>
>"Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >I think you should not just select one Linux distributor but look at
>> >all of them.
>>
>>
>> Sure, here's some
>>
>> Site OS 90 day avg max
>> www.microsoft.com W2K 16.20 18.76
>> www.redhat.com RH_Linux 21.56 96.11
>> www.debian.org Debian Linux 26.73 92.23
>> www.suse.com SuSE Linux 192.65 192.65
>> www.mandrake.com Mandrake Linux 116.70 160.50
>> (note mandrake was reported as a 28day moving avg, instead of 90)
>>
>
>
>
I am not sure I understand what you mean, perhaps you could be more specific?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More to think about...
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:28:30 -0500
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:55:23 GMT, Marten Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>sfcybear wrote:
>>
>> I have spent most of my time avoiding working on IBM's bigirons....
>>
>> http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/01/22/010122hnlinux.xml
>>
>> Could it be we are headed back?
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com
>> http://www.deja.com/
>
>In situations where TCO makes sense, I hope so. If you read my post
>about Linux and the 390 you'll see why. It really won't make that much
>difference to the Linux users - different box, same software. I know
>it's hard to accept inconvenient facts but a mainframe makes sense when
>the job goes beyond IT to DP. In an IT environment the major task is to
>manipulate information in interesting ways. In a DP environment the
>major task is to move and manage large amounts of information.
>-- Marten Kemp
"there is now one UNIX� from the PC up to the mainframe"
http://www.s390.ibm.com/customer/linux_0800.html
Linux for S/390
"Also available now, is the IBM S/390 Integrated Facility for Linux, an
exciting optional feature, for the S/390 Parallel Enterprise Server G5
and G6. The Integrated Facility enables an installation to purchase
additional processing capacity, exclusively for Linux workloads, with no
additional software charges for software running on the other existing
processors. The Integrated Facility is also available on zSeries."
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux.html
S/390 Virtual Image Facility for Linux
"enables you to run tens to hundreds of Linux server images on a single
S/390 server."
http://www.s390.ibm.com/linux/vif/
IBM introduces servers for the next generation of e-business
"IBM's corporate-wide embrace of Linux"
to be supported on
"IBM zSeries*: the most reliable, mission-critical data and transaction
server on earth.
IBM pSeries: the most powerful, technologically advanced UNIX server.
IBM iSeries: the high performance, integrated business server for
mid-market companies.
IBM xSeries: the affordable Intel-based server with mainframe-inspired
reliability technologies."
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/news/press/2000/3oct00_announce.html
And to make this coming year even more interesting, the POWER4 64 bit
microprocessor that will soon be incorporated into some of these
servers.
http://www.austin.ibm.com/resource/features/1999/power4.html
"POWER4 Focuses on Memory Bandwidth"
http://www.chips.ibm.com/news/1999/microprocessor99.pdf
IBM Gets Deadly Serious
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT101600000000
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CAUCE Member - http://www.cauce.org
Proud supporter of the Microsoft Boycott Campaign
http://www.vcnet.com/bms/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Loki has trouble playiong their own games under Linux!!!!!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:35:50 GMT
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:09:35 GMT, Jim Broughton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why are you here?
To counter the ridiculous propaganda that masquerades as fact around
here concerning Linux as a viable desktop solution.
> What real reason DO you have for being here?
To promote harmony and joy?
>Your obviously NOT a programmer. Sys admin? probably not.
Nope...
>Microsoft lackey?
Nope.
They rejected my services :(
> (wintroll) maybe. Every post you make says nothing
>intelligent and in general helps no one. (not even a windows user
>wondering about linux)
Those words in my post came direct from Loki not me and unlike the
Lintrolls around here I provide references.
> All an intelligent person see's when viewing
>a reply from you or a post from you is a jerk who seems to deem it
>nessesary to post negetivity into a newsgroup with the idea of
>agrivating those who make intelligent use of the newsgroup.
So what do "you" see?
> You are a sad sorry case. PLEASE GET HELP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.
Linux is the sad, sorry case.
It is the one in need of help.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Loki has trouble playiong their own games under Linux!!!!!
Date: 22 Jan 2001 01:39:08 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:09:35 GMT, Jim Broughton
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Why are you here?
> To counter the ridiculous propaganda that masquerades as fact around
> here concerning Linux as a viable desktop solution.
Yet it continues to be a viable desktop solution for me and many,
many others.
Your problem claire, is that youre very, very stupid. You mistakenly
thought that since alot of people enjoy linux and find it useful, you
somehow would be able to grow half a brain and understand it.
When you found that you couldnt understand the way linux works at all,
instead of simply saying (correctly) "I'm an idiot, this operating
system for intelligent people simply isnt for me", you had to come
in here with a full frontal attack.
Accept your idiocy, claire. You'll be much happier in the long run.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Please help! adding a line
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:30:51 GMT
Hi:
I have to create a file (using konsole) called fileA with the following
content:
as I wander
under the sky
Then I have to add "I wonder" to the TOP of fileA. How do I do that?
Please pay attention that I have to add TO THE TOP of fileA.
I thank you in advance for your help.
Marcus
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: 22 Jan 2001 01:41:12 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Nope I'm not from any marketing organization, and I could care less
> what Microsoft does as long as they continue to produce the quality,
> easy to use and widely accepted as standard, applications they produce
> now.
Tell me claire, exactly why it is that while linux recognized my secondary
PCI IDE controller (ATA/100) instantly and with no configuration nessesary,
windows decides that its a 'new device' every time I reboot and incorrectly
names it a "PCI RAID CONTROLLER"?
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:49:44 GMT
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:30:55 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>flatfish, you are utterly clueless. What the hell do you
>DO with computers?
>
>Chris
"I" do nothing with "them", it's what "they" do for "me".
Applications Chris, applications.
Tons of useful applications that perform useful (to me and 10 zillion
other desktop users).
I'll tell you what I don't do:
I don't play with config files and that includes the registry with the
exception of the occasional regclean.
I don't spend my time looking a log files to figure out why pppd
deamon died.
I don't spend time downloading 10's of megabytes of files just to keep
up to date with kde.
I don't spend time fiddling with colors/themes/fonts trying to make a
decent looking desktop.
I don't spend time trying 7 different Window mangers because there is
no one WM that does everything I need, easily.
I don't spend time figuring out how to star/run and add an icon to the
menus for the program I just installed.
I don't spend time figuring out that mess of IPChains and IP Masq. in
order to set up a firewall which is probably full of holes anyway
because the documentation is a mess.
And last but not least, I never read a cotton picking thing to use
Windows. In fact it is rare that I even read the read me files that
come with the programs I use.
You see Chris, I use applications, lot's of them unlike the
bit-twiddling Penguinista that spends time compiling kernels.
That is what computers do for me.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:50:58 GMT
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:35:32 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>The funny thing is that you think you don't have to do that kind
>of stuff with Windows (of any type).
I don't.
>That could be a little true, if you do only word-processing,
>I suppose.
Actually I do very little word processing.
>But, since you took such delight in Charlie's irate response,
>it is obvious you are a troll, and it's time to stop rising to
>the bait.
Charlie went off the deep end a long time ago :)
>Chris
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:51:47 GMT
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Plus, if /etc/fstab is set up properly, you can reduce it to:
>
> > > mount /dev/fd0
> > > cp /mnt/* /tmp
> > > umount /dev/fd0
eesh. why bother mounting & unmounting?
just mcopy the thing over in one step...
> Plus, if you have the floppy icon on the desktop, you just have
> to insert the disk and double-click the icon, then do the Windozzzzz
> drag'n'drop thingie, then right-click to unmount. Not at the difficult.
> About as easy to get used to as Windozzzzzzzz telling you the floppy
> is missing when you didn't expect it to be needed anymore.
> Or waiting for Windozzzzzzzz to read the exe's from the floppy just so
> it can put the right icons in the Explorer display. Yeesh.
Yep, there are GUI floppy/cdrom access tools as
well, but it's not good to overwhelm the wintrolls
with too much information -
jjs
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:40:02 GMT
"Peter K�hlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Maybe you should, just for a change, read the magazine you are
> > > criticizing?
> >
> > Please show me an article in c't that is favorable to Microsoft.
> >
> > Just one.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > -Chad
>
> >
>
> in a different thread Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > I refuse to participate in that. I'm sure you would as well.
> > If you want to argue, then let's argue on facts and merit, not
> > supposition.
>
> Well, I showed him an article (just ONE, like he asked, but easily could
> have been hundreds, since I have every c't which ever was published)
Not bashing Microsoft vs favoring Microsoft are two different things
I have yet to see an article from c't praising or favoring Microsoft.
Just one.
Thank you.
-Chad
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From: SomeoneElse (SoneoneElse)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:59:41 GMT
Reply-To: Truthteller
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:48:50 +0100, "David Brown"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Because everyone else is getting it, and you are the person not
>>>getting it.
>>>The newests open source apps ( whether for Windows or Linux or
>>>other OSs ) almost always come out in source code form first.
>>
>>Nope, you're still missing it, sorry.
>
>What is he missing? Just because *you* don't want to compile programs does
>not make any difference - the whole point of open source software is that
>the source is available, and many developers leave it at that. They write
>their fine new program, and distribute the source when it is ready - if some
>distributer like Red Hat wants to make a nice binary package, then fine -
>but the developer's source is the newest version. Perhaps the developer is
>running on a PPC - lucky for you it is the source he gives out not his
>binaries.
The point is not that you may not be able to get binaries at all ( in
most cases you will eventually get binaries ).
The point is that if you are not willing to compile things for
yourself you may have to wait for the binaries. This can be painfull.
An example:
You work at an engineering firm. Your boss tells you that from now on
all technical documents will be stored in SGML. You will be able to
get them from home, but you will need an SGML enabled browser.
Browser XYZ supports SGML in it's latest browser, but binaries are
available only for the previous version. You distro will probably
upgrade the binaries in the next release, but that's six months away
( and since people rarely need SGML capabilities, it's not likely
anyone else will make them available ). Do you wait, or compile them
for yourself ( especially if it involves only five steps, download,
uncompress, run configure, run make, run make install )? Or at least
take a run at it and try compiling, them to see if it goes smoothly.
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