Linux-Advocacy Digest #710, Volume #31 Wed, 24 Jan 01 18:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: M$ websites down again (.)
Re: Does Code Decay (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: M$ websites down again (.)
Re: M$ websites down again (.)
Re: Why "uptime" is important. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Comparison by windows buffoon (J Sloan)
Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:02:29 GMT
Ain't it the truth!
I just printed this out to take to my Windows user group meeting
tonight. I hope you don't mind?
They are going to howl when they see this :)
On 24 Jan 2001 16:28:08 -0600, "Conrad Rutherford"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>OK, lesse...
>
>W2K:
>Insert CD into a CD ROM and turn on computer. It boots and begins to
>install. Enter your CD key, name and answer a few default prompts and
>shortly thereafter you have the a very massively feature packed OS with a
>familiar GUI up and running with all your hardware ready to rock. HTTP, FTP,
>Media Server, Journaling file system, DirectX hardware acceleration of every
>device, OpenGL running at the right refresh for that autodetected monitor
>and video card and the list goes on. Browser ready, wordpad ready,
>mediaplayer supporting pretty much every format (and others are a codec
>autodownload away), graphics editor and viewers, handicapped accessiblity,
>communications programs, telnet, ftp, massive network support - the list
>just goes on and you can just sit back and watch it load.
>
>==========
>
>ok, now, how to do a BAREBONES Linux 2.4 install, no real apps, just command
>line crap:
>==========
>
>For the kernel (the latest stable at the time of writing is 2.4.0, and the
>latest development version is 2.4.1-test8-10ac) go to kernel.org and start
>downloading. You'll also need to update modutils and pppd, or as they are
>formally called, modutils-2.4.0 and pppd-2.4.0. You can get both of these
>via Freshmeat. You also better set aside some on-line time if you're a modem
>user, since the kernel weighs in at about 20 MB in its most compressed
>form.. While many users may be a little afraid of compiling the kernel or
>programs -- I've found the kernel is much easier to compile than you may
>ever guess. Odds are, all you'll need to know is about 10 commands at most,
>and if that isn't even enough, here's a quick run-through of the kernel
>compilation on an x86 Linux system. For a more extensive HowTo, check out
>LinuxDoc.org, which has all sorts of HowTos.
>
>
> 1.. First, let's make a boot disk, and we'll also stick a backup section
>in LILO just in case. To make a boot disk, type:
> mkbootdisk --device /dev/fd0 x.x.x This assumes a couple things. You need
>to substitute your kernel version for x.x.x. An example would be 2.2.16 for
>a pretty stock distribution, or 2.2.17-21mdk for Linux Mandrake 7.2.
> 2.. Now, let's extract the kernel tarball. This is done like so:
> tar -zxvf linux-x.x.x.tar.gz
> Once again, for x.x.x, you substitute in the kernel version you
>downloaded. Many of you will probably choose 2.4.0. I will assume your
>kernel version is 2.4.0 for the rest of this HowTo. This command will
>extract it to a directory called linux in whatever your working directory
>is.
> 3.. Now, let's rename it and move it into the source directory.
> mv linux /usr/src/linux-2.4.0
> 4.. Now, on my particular test machine, I needed to patch the kernel with
>ReiserFS. Patches are applied with the following method:
> cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.0
> and then...
> gzip -cd patchname.gz | patch -p0
> OR
> bzip2 -dc patchname.bz2 | patch -p0
> What you use depends on the type of archive the kernel patch is, it will
>be either .gz or .bz2
> 5.. Now, this might be the tough part. From here, you need to decide what
>options you want. Never fear, although, because the kernel configuration
>utilities have a lot of help included in them. One tip -- know your
>hardware! You can compile a graphical utility or a text-mode utility like
>this:
> make xconfig (for a X11 version of the configuration program)
> make menuconfig (for a command-line version)
> This will also run whatever program you compile immediately after
>compilation. Shuffle through those options and setup what you need. A tip
>for NVidia users -- don't compile in agpgart, because NVidia uses nvagp,
>which can cause problems with the NVidia closed-source drivers. At any rate,
>you can load agpgart as a module, like it's done in many distributions. Now
>that you've saved your kernel configuration, you'll be instructed to do a
> make dep,
> so let's do just that.
> 6.. Next, we need to clear out those temp files from the source, which
>we'll want to keep on the system.
> make clean
>
> 7.. Now, we need an image Linux can recognize.
> make bzImage
> This makes an image and places it under
>/usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzImage .
> 8.. Now, we need to make our modules. Here's how we do it:
> make modules
> make modules_install
> 9.. Okay, the hard parts are done. Now we just need to move the image to
>the right place and tell LILO where it is. Here's how you can do just that:
> mv /usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0
> Then, we need to edit the /etc/lilo.conf file to include your new
>kernel -- don't worry too much, we have a backup kernel, as well as an
>emergency boot disk.
> vi /etc/lilo.conf
> This allows you to edit your lilo.conf file with vi. Of course, there is
>also ed, mcedit, emacs, and many more. Add the following section to your
>lilo.conf right under the other section that looks the same:
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0
> label=linux-2.4.0
> root=/dev/sda6
> read-only
> There are, however; there is one thing we need to talk about. Under the
>section root=, you need to modify it to tell it where your /boot partition
>exists. You can find this out under /etc/fstab. The shown root is for a boot
>partition on a SCSI hard disk, and hda6 would be the sixth slice of primary
>hard disk on the first IDE controller.
> 10.. Now, we need to run LILO to make sure it knows about our changes.
>Just run it like so:
> lilo.
>
>That's it! Reboot and you're set to go with your new kernel.
>
>It is also widely known that things break in the first version of a new
>kernel (even though there has been extensive testing) and all new features
>may not be included in the latest kernel.
>
>For example, ReiserFS is not included (just as it wasn't in 2.2), but it
>will come along in kernel 2.4.1, which is now in a test phase. There are
>also known issues with NVidia cards, which requires a patch to work with
>kernel 2.4.0 -- go figure with NVidia.
>
>=================
>
>Sure - let's all do this, and make sure you don' mistype that mv
>/usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzimage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0 - WHOOPS!!!
>Didn't you see that capital "I" in bzImage wasn't a lower case L so it
>didn't work - damn!!!
>
>ahahahahahahahahaah - I love this ... Linux 2.4 for the masses - YEA RIGHT!
>This is an upgrade?
>
>
>
>
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:02:58 -0500
Salvador Peralta wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > Too bad CNET doesn't understand the difference between a DNS failure and a
> > server being down.
>
> DNS: Domain Name SERVER. ( yes, it can also stand for service -- albeit
> a server-based one. )
Services are provided by SERVERS (Hence the name).
>
> --
> Salvador Peralta
> http://salvador.venice.ca.us
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again
Date: 24 Jan 2001 23:04:40 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 24 Jan 2001 20:54:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>>Tell me, claire, why is it a bad idea to put all your domain name servers
>>on one segment?
> I dunno?
There are tons and tons of reasons, but one of the basic ones is that you
if that segment barfs (as they naturally do), you have no redundancy; youve
lost your entire DN service.
This is what happened to microsoft, because theyre idiots.
=====.
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does Code Decay
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:43:04 +0100
Bennetts family wrote:
> Unix could stay pretty stagnant for a very long time, with only bugfixes
> and driver updates/additions) and kick the crap out of Windows for a very
> long time. Windows is a lousy design, that needs to keep in touch with 20
> year old bodge fixes (FAT, etc). Unix did things a much better way right
> from the start. I predict that in 20 years time, Windows will still be on
> a FAT derived FS, and suffering miserably from it.
>
I think in 20 years Wintendo(tm) will be recognized as the single one
biggest errors in computing history.
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:40:36 +0100
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
>
Nothing
If I've ever seen someone even more of an asshole than Chad Myer, this has
to him.
Plonk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again
Date: 24 Jan 2001 23:06:14 GMT
Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> . wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:45:49 -0600, "Erik Funkenbusch"
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >>Did you read the article? It clearly states that the web servers are
>> >>not down, and gives you a link to them in IP format.
>>
>> > Probably not.
>> > See my previous post :)
>>
>> Oh, the one where you yet again displayed your proficiency in not knowing
>> what the hell youre talking about?
>>
>> Tell me, claire, why is it a bad idea to put all your domain name servers
>> on one segment?
> Dont you think you have to explain a bit about segmentation and netmasks
> first?
No, claire seems to know all about that kind of thing. I wouldnt want to
insult her intelligence.
Again.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again
Date: 24 Jan 2001 23:06:47 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:03:27 +0100, Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Dont you think you have to explain a bit about segmentation and netmasks
>>first?
> What is it with you yo-yo's?
> I'm talking about looking at a website and you are talking about
> building one?
You poor thing, you dont even understand WHY microsoft seems to have
gone down, do you.
=====.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why "uptime" is important.
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:05:52 -0500
Mark Styles wrote:
>
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:45:45 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Mark Styles wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:09:15 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Liar.
> >> >
> >> >By definition, Converting files is NOT "doing nothing"
> >>
> >> You don't seem to have very much constructive to say.
> >>
> >> Converting files means taking a file of one format and putting it into
> >> another format. Applix failed to do that. Applix was not clocking up
> >> CPU time. The Applix conversion screen told me it was 'Converting
> >> file', but didn't do anything. By any sane person's definition, that
> >> is 'doing nothing'.
> >
> >In otherwords, it was supposed to be ENGAGED IN THE ***WORK*** of
> >format conversion.
>
> Supposed to be, yes. Unfortunately it was not, or if it was it was
> doing it with no perceivable activity.
Look, shithead, either you don't know what you're talking about, or
your communications skills are fucking deficient as hell.
You stated that it was "doing nothing" and simultaneously that you
were trying to do a file conversion.
"doing nothing" implies an IDLE process, *NOT* not that locks up due to a bug.
>
> >Question: Did you send a bug report to Applix, or are you merely making
> > up nonsense for the purpose of making pointless arguments here
>
> I sent an email to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) about the problem, but I never
> received a response. I notice that applixware now seems to be owned by
> vistasource, is their support any better?
Have no clue. Haven't used Applixware in years.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison by windows buffoon
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:07:34 GMT
Conrad goes to great lengths to contrive the most difficult
activities possible in Linux and compare that with a routine
OS install of windows 2000 - anyone with half a brain can
spot the obvious fallacy.
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> Sure - let's all do this, and make sure you don' mistype that mv
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzimage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0 - WHOOPS!!!
> Didn't you see that capital "I" in bzImage wasn't a lower case L so it
> didn't work - damn!!!
Typical of a wintroll who's never used Linux - the shell
complete's the filename so that there's never a misspelling.
> ahahahahahahahahaah - I love this ... Linux 2.4 for the masses - YEA RIGHT!
> This is an upgrade?
Nope, you are completely clueless here -
If you are going to compare OS installs, compare OS installs.
This is apples and oranges. Your example is so obviously
contrived that it's a bit sad. How much work did you put into
it? If you are going to try to explain how to download and
compile a kernel from scratch, then try to find the equivalent
activity for windows - what, there is none?
Just for the record, to install Red Hat 7.0, you put the CD
in the drive, power up the machine, and take the defaults.
No reboots, no babysitting, just sit back and watch the
progress -
When the 2.4 kernel appears in a distro, you pop in the
CD, power up the machine and select "upgrade" - now,
was that hard?
jjs
Also for the record, you can donwload a 2.4 kernel rpm from
rawhide, and install it with a single command.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:08:05 -0000
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:58:58 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 03:21:44 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > ...wait for Win2K to dial the phone and waste quite a bit
>> > of time fetching the local "approved" ISP list for your
>> > area.
>> >
>> > Then go to step D.
>>
>> Huhh?
>> What are you talking about?
>> Do you make this stuff up as you go along?
>
>It appears as though he's experienced it firsthand...
Since I'm the one that has to support the WinDOS users in
my family, I am inclined to have them use a relatively
robust version. Thus, I have experience installing the
recent versions of WinDOS.
OTOH, win32 vendorlock is still an issue so I am quite
familiar with the recent versions of NT on the desktop.
--
Unless you've got the engineering process to match a DEC,
you won't produce a VMS.
You'll just end up with the likes of NT.
|||
/ | \
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:07:52 -0500
ono wrote:
>
> > You don't quite seem to understand what is meant by the word "unstable",
> > kid.
> Then explain to me please, wise old man!
Things which suddenly lock up or crash for no good reason are "unstable".
Conversely, systems and applications which continue to run (as they should)
UNTIL the user or administrator shuts it down are called "stable".
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:08:25 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Too bad CNET doesn't understand the difference between a DNS failure and a
> > server being down.
>
> Too bad microsoft doesnt understand how to run DNS servers.
Yet another *SIMPLE* data-processing task that M$ hasn't figured out yet.
>
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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