Linux-Advocacy Digest #157, Volume #32 Mon, 12 Feb 01 19:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Answer this if you can... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Adam Warner is a fucking idiot! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone? ("Peter T.
Breuer")
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Bloody Viking)
Re: Help with LILO (Bloody Viking)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Mig)
Re: Hey Max, You Get Your Linux Machine Yet? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Simon Palko")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Simon Palko")
Indrema fan site (William Kendrick)
Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone? (Matthew
Gardiner)
Re: Answer this if you can... ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: Interesting article (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Perry Pip)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:50:39 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:03:31 +0000, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Not consistant between applications. Try using a combination of menues
>> and the mouse with Netscape and kedit and see what happens.
>
>I've already said that elsewhere.
Yet the Penguinista's still deny it.
>> That may very well be their (MS) downfall.
>> If that turns out to be a reality, I will switch to Mac.
>
>Which is based on FreeBSD? Is that right?
At the moment I'm running MacOS 9.x but I don't know what MacOSX (or
whatever it's called) is based on.
If it's anything like Linux it will be ignored by Mac-heads though.
>> >>Because Linux sucks.
>> >
>> >No it doesn't.
>>
>> Yea it does, and you know it because you are trying to maintain some
>> credibility around here with the Linonuts.
>
>I've never said Linux sucks. You have, several times. In any case, I'm not
>maintaining any credibility, from what I can tell. I get called a Wintroll
>just like you do.
Look at all the fun you're missing :)
>> Me?
>> I tell it like it is.
>
>Well, you do seem to exaggerate a bit.
Well, maybe a wee bit, but the problems / bugs / nightmares of Linux
are real. It's the delivery that gets embellished a bit :)
>> No, it's because Linsux misconfigures itself from the start by using
>> 75dpi fonts instead of 100dpi.
>
>Well, that's not that hard to change now is it?
Assuming you don't know it has to be changed or how to change it or
even what the problem is, yes it can be.
Newbie looks at his screen and it looks like shit. How is he going to
know what has to be changed?
He can screw around with settings of fonts in programs and such all he
wants but it will still look like shit until he changes the 75dpi to
100dpi.
>> And you have your computer on the net?
>
>Yes.
>
>> Are you crazy?
>
>Can you guess my passwords?
>Can you get past that simple gate?
If you did a default install everything from Mandrake 7.2 with
Networking etc I suggest a visit to www.grc.com or better yet
www.hackerwhacker.com to see your vulnerabilities.
>> >Ah, device drivers, an Achilles Heel of Linux.
>>
>> I look at it as hardware/software support.
>>
>> Linux fails miserably, which is why I say it sucks.
>
>Linux sucks because hardware manufactures see no profit in Linux and do
>nothing to help it, is that it?
Yes that is basically it.
The end result is what matters to me and I look at Linux as the entire
package I installed.
>> >>Talk to SuSE.
>> >>They seem to have beaten you to the punch :)
>> >
>> >Depends on which article you read.
>>
>> Talk to TurboLinux, Corel, or Penguin Computing or the next Linux
>> vendor to go belly up.
>>
>> Maybe we should have a pool going here to pick the next one?
>
>But SeSE haven't gone belly up have they?
Not yet.
>> Win2k has never crashed on me and Win98SE properly set up is highly
>> stable.
>
>Microsoft themselves say it has a MTTF of nine days.
I shutdown every day and admittedly my system is very specialized with
well chosen hardware and software.
>> At least they have applications to run.
>
>True.
>> Maybe if Linux had some applications to run there could be a
>> meaningful comparison of stability.
>
>Take a look around, smell the coffee. How many web servers are out there?
>How many are running IIS? How many are Apache?
I'm taking about the desktop.
>> >You exaggerate.
>>
>> I don't think so.
>
>I think you do.
Not on the desktop I don't.
Linux is being ignored by Windows users.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Adam Warner is a fucking idiot!
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:53:45 -0500
Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Bloody Viking wrote:
> >>
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >>
> >> : [Conversely, he *DID* pardon a bunch of people indicted for making
> >> : illegal campaign contributions to the Demoncrook Party and various
> >> : Demoncrook candidates].
> >>
> >> And Bush v.1.0 pardoned the Keating 7, the bunch that caused the S&L debacle
> >> that we all pitched in half a terabuck for. (Uncle Scam just pulled out his
> >> VISA Plitonium and charged it.) So, both parties are crooked as a dog's hind
> >> leg.
> >>
> >
> >Which is why I vote Libertarian.
>
> Corporate corruption would be no different under Libertatians... in fact
> it would progress faster in that absence of "dissipation"
If you think Libertarians condone corruption by ANYBODY, then
you're simply buying into propaganda.
>
> Legal whores and private policemen would simply replace what we now
> have, and the result would not be strongly different than what we have
> today.
Libertarianism is *NOT* anarchy, you fool.
>
> In a Libertarian world, Microsoft would have ruled a long time ago.
>
> --
> cu,
> Bruce
>
> drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:41:41 +0100
In comp.os.linux.setup Zsolt Zsoldos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A lot of RPM packages, that I could download from the net were packaged
> with a newer version of RPM and the one included in Mandrake 7.1 could not
Then they were not mandrake packages surely?
> handle them. Funny, that even the new version of 'rpm' was packed with
This is a traditional RH trick. They've done it at least twice before
that I can remember. One was round about RH 4.1 time, if I recall ...
You need a "stepping stone" . in this case it is a special rpm
version that can read the old DB format but unpack the new rpm.
It's on mandrakes (rh's?) site.
> that, so I've seen no way to get around this problem other than upgrade
Well, you could have compiled the new rpm. But why bother? You can
unpack rpms easily enough, and then repack them to your hearts content.
I agree that they were incredibly stupid to pull this trick, but they
were probably completely unaware. Same as RH's compiler trick, no?
> to 7.2 which had a newer rpm in it. OK, I bought Mandrake "COMPLETE"
> the 4CD version from Macmillan Software. Compared to my previous 2CD
> version 7.1. it is rather incomplete!
Yes. It is incomplete. It's a beta meted out to fulfil contractual
deadlines with Walmart. The one on the net is the complete version.
> In conclusion: Mandrake 7.2 provides a very flashy install and boot system,
No ... it's not the mandrake 7.2, it's the walmart package that you
picked up. Hobsons choice.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: 12 Feb 2001 23:00:30 GMT
Chad Myers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: How come we're not seeing major in-roads in the OEM market? That's
: real success. When other vendors are willing to stake their profit
: on your product is when you have a real product. Until then it's
: just a novelty like "Bigmouth Billy Bass". Millons of people bought
: those too, but you don't see many hangding on the wall.
You must be as dumb as a Florida hanging chad - or one of the voters too
stupid to operate a stylus. Can you say "licensing agreements"? Funny how this
"novelty OS" as you call Linux is on servers worldwide, with huge numbers
hidden in IT departments becuse NT Server crashes into a BSOD while Linux hums
away the months and even years.
Funny, but I'm not a techie, and I've seen NT wreck into a BSOD while my Linux
box stays up for MONTHS at a crack. If I were to build servers, I would not
hesitate to whip out my Linux albums and boot floppies. That's right. I'm not
even a damn techie and I know better than to use MS-Crapware(tm) for a server.
Now that home LANs are the rage, I beat home users to it in 1995, and I used
Linux. I tried NT, and it was a waste of $300 as on the boot floppy it crashed
into a BSOD. Nope, no chance of a download of a bootdisk image, at least not
legally.
It sure doesn't take long to realise the obvious. Microsoft sucks. I TRIED to
become a techie but the BSODs put the kabosh on that idea. I remember the
first BSOS I saw. It was at a techie friend's place. He loaded a DOS game onto
NT Workstation, which he set up as a mini-server on his home LAN. I clicked on
its icon, and WHAM! CRASH! BANG BOOM! A Blue Screen Of Death. When I tried
buying NT to attempt to bet certified by hands-on to later take the test, it
BSOD'd on the install floppy. Talk about pathetic.
But Linux? It works. I even got a fucked up version of Slackware to work, by
installing with AOL Disks(tm).
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Help with LILO
Date: 12 Feb 2001 23:04:20 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: I've always found LILO very easy to configure, maybe I just got lucky
: with the hardware.
Since a large percentage of people get "lucky" with LILO, it's more a case of
my having bad luck with bad hardware. That's why I call my LILO problems
"idiopathic". (medical term for a problem without an obvious cause)
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:59:46 +0100
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > And you then sent the Epson's command language to a queue that expects
> > Postscript. And it didn't work. Big surprise!
>
> Then I would expect garbage, not a picture with red lines on it.
Do you know how Epsons command language works?
Nope i dont thin so.
Face it Pete... you cannot save yourself out of this one. You made a
beginners error and are stuck with it !!
--
Cheers
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hey Max, You Get Your Linux Machine Yet?
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:13:01 GMT
Check out ebay for a life flatfish...I saw a soul on there earlier...I
think the guy was hoping to get enough money to buy the next Microsoft
Windows bug fix.
Matthew Gardiner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well?
>
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Simon Palko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:06:13 -0500
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Simon Palko wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Simon Palko wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Simon Palko wrote:
> > > > > > No it's not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've got an HP Visualize C240 sitting next to me, but I'm more
the
> > > > > > exception. The CAE guys tend to have a couple SGI or HP
stations,
> > but
> > > > they
> > > > > > ALL have a Windows desktop. That's the standard.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not for automotive CAD/CAM/CAE work.
> > > > >
> > > > > And at GM, Ford, etc....Applix is the standard office suite for
these
> > > > users.
> > > >
> > > > /me points at his header.
> > >
> > > My header is forged for security purposes.
> > > It obscures what platform I'm actually using.
> >
> > Mine's not. Feel free to drop me an email for confirmation.
> >
> > > > No, it's not. All the CAE guys I know have Windows stations as
well.
> > And
> > > > MS Office is the standard office suite company-wide.
> > >
> > > You're saying that the CAE guys have TWO computers on their desks?
> > >
> > > Yeah, right...
> >
> > No, it's often three or four. But usually at least two.
> >
> > Have you *EVER* been to a Ford engineering office?
> >
>
>
> I used to WORK at the Ford Product Development Center.
>
> Specifically, in the TDM department, the department which runs
> the servers which warehouse all of the part files.
> we
Oh, cool. The PDC's right across the street from me. I'm in AEC.
Looks like part of your post might have gotten dropped. I'm not sure how
things were when you worked here, but I can tell you that you can't throw a
rock in AEC, PDC, POEE, or wherever now without hitting a Windows box. Now,
there *are* a couple CAE stations I've seen upstairs that don't have a PC at
them, but they're extremely rare. The CAE guys I knew over in PDC had
Windows stations as well. They were showing me an animation of some vehicle
vibration modes that they did on one of the SGIs, but for some reason they
were showing it to me on a Windows box. :/ Probably made it to show a
manager-type.
In a company this size, you really can't call anything "standard," can you?
;)
--
-Simon Palko
"More fun than a barrel of monkeys... with dynamite strapped to their
backs!"
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From: "Simon Palko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:18:39 -0500
"Paul 'Z' Ewande�" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:964uqe$9av$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> <SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
>
> > Nope...it's not. Although I don't do it that often. :-)
> > (A certain other operating system cures me of that, actually; CMD.EXE
> > doesn't have filename completion, period, and Cygwin on NT
>
> Incorrect. Tab Completion is enabled in NT/2K by setting a single registry
> value.
>
> Locate HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Command Processor key.
> There modify the DWORD value of CompletionChar to 9 [0 by default which is
> disabled]. Reboot. There you go.
>
> You are of course encouraged to back up your registry first. :)
Or you can just download the latest version of TweakUI for 2k, and set your
command-line autocomplete key to be whatever you want.
--
-Simon Palko
"More fun than a barrel of monkeys... with dynamite strapped to their
backs!"
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From: William Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Indrema fan site
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:16:22 GMT
I've created a fan site dedicated to the upcoming
"Indrema Entertainment System," a Linux-based game console with many
home entertainment features (DVD player, MP3 support, TiVo-like features).
Currently the site contains links to news articles about the Indrema
(more news than the Indrema itself has links to!), a collection of
notable mailing list comments from the Indrema staff (a useful addition
to the Indrema website's FAQs), and links to other
Indrema-related websites.
Bill Kendrick's Indrema Site
http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/bill/indrema/
Enjoy!
-bill!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/bill/
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:17:37 GMT
Ok, I'll take you as a person who really wants to use linux but faces
hurdles. I have used Mandrake, and the only tick I would give it would
be for the fact they allow you to have reiserfs as the root filesystem.
However, I prefer using SuSE Linux as the upgrade and configuration
utilities are superior to what is on offer by Redhat or Mandrake.
Hopefully with the advent of SuSE Linux 7.1 there will be better
intergration of KDE 2.
Matthew Gardiner
Zsolt Zsoldos wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I was an enthusiastic linux user for the past 5 years, but now Mandrake 7.2
> got me really frustrated, so that I have to tell you about it...
>
> First a bit of historical background about me and Linux:
> I started using Linux in 1996 with Slackware (prior to that I was a Unix
> user on SGI and SUN boxes) went through the hard learning curve of tweaking
> all the setup and configuration files and scripts by hand getting it up and
> operational with X-windows on a then-latest graphics card which was only
> supported by the latest beta release of X at the time. few month later I
> learned about the existence of RedHat 4.0 and was amazed how easy it was to
> setup... Then I stayed with RH upgrading as they came out upto 5.2.
> Then I switched to Caldera which I found even better, professional,
> not just easy to configure and maintain but also well geared for
> professional usage and development (BTW I am a software developer, so I
> work on these boxes not just play or have fun with them). Finally,
> last summer I switched to Mandrake 7.1, because the latest Caldera
> release (2.3/2.4) had outdated kernel and X and I could not get my
> new nVidia graphics card working on it with hardware accelerated OpenGL
> without some major hand-upgrades and kernel compilation (which I tried to
> avoid to keep my life simpler and be able to focus on my work instead
> of system administration). Also, there are a lot more RPMs available for
> Mandrake on the net, so it seems worth switching...
>
> Now my rant:
> A lot of RPM packages, that I could download from the net were packaged
> with a newer version of RPM and the one included in Mandrake 7.1 could not
> handle them. Funny, that even the new version of 'rpm' was packed with
> that, so I've seen no way to get around this problem other than upgrade
> to 7.2 which had a newer rpm in it. OK, I bought Mandrake "COMPLETE"
> the 4CD version from Macmillan Software. Compared to my previous 2CD
> version 7.1. it is rather incomplete!
>
> 1. Upgrade from 7.1 to 7.2 via the install CD 'upgrade' option does not work.
> It fails real bad, falls into an infinite loop, can't even shutdown
> gracefully - have to get drastic and press reset.
>
> 2. Installing 'on top' of 7.1 without that being wiped out gets into an
> unusable state, package manager crazy, basic things (like terminals) crash.
>
> 3. OK, let's try a format / partition and clean install... I get a choice
> of installing packages from minimal (300MB) to ALL, which states 800MB,
> which sounds rather small as my 7.1 install was over 2GB. Anyway I go
> ahead and install everything I could choose. I get the system up and
> running. But then I find out it is pretty useless:
>
> Things missing from a full install (all packages) of Mandrake 7.2 COMPLETE:
> - no C++ libraries, headers or compiler
> - no gcc installed - WHAT? Full linux without gcc ???
> - no telnet, ftp, nfs servers
> - no cvs
> - no nslookup
>
> .... and probably many more things missing, this is as much as I came across
> in half a day so far.
>
> 4. Fortunately, some of these are on the CDs, so I could install them AFTER
> the so-called full installation. Another frustration here is the RpmDrake
> GUI software, which tend to crash if some conflicts or missing dependencies
> come up during installation. After crash, you have to figure out how far
> it got installing the selected packages and you have to select the remaining
> ones again and go ahead until the next crash... and iterate...
>
>
> 5. Some of the missing packages are not even on the CDs, e.g. cvs does not come
> with Mandrake 7.2 Complete. It was in 7.1...
>
> In conclusion: Mandrake 7.2 provides a very flashy install and boot system,
> doesn't ask any questions about the hardware (autodetected everything fine)
> and installs a desktop system which is fine for general office usage and
> web browsing. BUT, it does not have even basic development and server tools
> necessary for a LAN. So, it is a perfect replacement for windoze -
> home users welcome to the linux community!
> On the other hand, old timer developers like me should stay away from it!
>
> Is this a new trend or I just picked the wrong distribution ?
> Anybody care to comment on RedHat 7.x or other distribution's newest versions
> from the developer's pont of view ? Are they also stripped down ?
>
> Have a good day,
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:15:07 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:03:31 +0000, Pete Goodwin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
<snip some stuff>
>>> No, it's because Linsux misconfigures itself from the start
>>> by using
>>> 75dpi fonts instead of 100dpi.
>>
>>Well, that's not that hard to change now is it?
>
> Assuming you don't know it has to be changed or how to change
> it or even what the problem is, yes it can be. Newbie looks at
> his screen and it looks like shit. How is he going to know what
> has to be changed? He can screw around with settings of fonts
> in programs and such all he wants but it will still look like
> shit until he changes the 75dpi to
> 100dpi.
<snip some more>
Ok fishy,
You've harped on that enough. Now what if someone has a monitor
with a large dotpitch? Or one that can't handle resolutions over
1024x768? Those people still exist you know. In that case setting
75dpi for the fonts is actually a good idea, as 100dpi fonts
will look vague and blurry.
I bet a lot of prospective Linux users will be very put off by
you wishing them a massive headache.
Mart
--
Happily running Debian, posting with Pan
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:35:36 +0100
Jerry McBride wrote:
>
> My relationship with Linux has been a real eye opener. IMHO, Linux has
> os2 beat in all regards except one... the Work Place Shell.
>
As I said before, that I still miss. Everything else falls short of it. But
I think that will change. Linux will be like it, or better. But that takes
time.
> I can even run linux on hardware that would make OS/2 seem like it was
> standing still. In fact, that's what I am doing now. I've dragged out an
> old micronics motherboard and tossed together a server for my home lan.
> OS/2 would seem like DEATH on this computer, so would windows, but linux
> runs like a top. All this server does is support a small number of clients
> and provides NFS, SAMBA and currently inet over ppp. I don't think OS/2
> would be worth a damn on this hardware as a server... in fact, I know it
> would be hell. It's a 166mhz pent, 64meg and 500meg hard drive...
>
I think OS/2 would run quite decently on that. I ran it on lesser hardware,
and it was very useable. But sure, linux is LOTS faster on that.
> As for OS/2 being the multimedia king... you gotta' be kidding? Right? Not
> only has MMOS2 be unchanged since it's conception, 6 or so years ago, it
> still remains riddled full of bugs and gotcha's that can drive an
> experienced OS/2 guru to insanity. My god... with a bit of
> skull-duggery... you can play dvd's on linux... can't do it on os/2...
>
Well, multimedia on OS/2 was always a mixed blessing.
MMOS2 was simply a good idea completely fumbled. Did they contract that
part to Microsoft?
But linux is still not good enough in that regard. It gets better all the
time, but still has lots to do until it is comparable to Win98 (NOT W2K).
>
> >> I've NEVER seen anything which comes even close to the
> >> speed of an OS/2 server if you use SMB protocol. OS/2 runs
> >> rings around Win(everyVersion) and Samba.
> >>
>
> I can't make this comparison! Believe me, I've tried like all the dickens,
> but I've NEVER got OS/2's file and printer sharing to work. Never! But
> under Linux it was a breeze.
>
My comment still holds true. I still have a OS/2 machine around (to test
the Java-apps I`m doing), and it runs rings around everything else at my
setup (it is a 200MHz Pentium) serving SMB. Windows NT is plain shit in
this regard, it simply is not worth the trouble. Too lame, too unstable.
> >> OS/2 also has a quite decent implementation of TCP/IP, different
> >> from that MS-shit.
>
> I was and still am running the tcpip 4.3 stack. Yeah, it's far faster and
> more feature rich than the previous versions... but still WHAY too buggy
> for my likes. Until I made a netmask change from 255.255.255.0 to
> 255.255.255.255 when doing a simple dial-up... PPP would trapdump and
> sometimes lock the computer up so hard that a reset was neccessary. Is
> that state of the art? I don't know... but I can say that I've never had a
> similar problem under linux.
>
No comment on that, never experienced something similar under OS/2.
For me, the TCP/IP stack always worked. Sure, Linux beats most other
OS`s in this regard, but OS/2 was always a dependable workhorse for me.
>
> Anyway... after spend whay too much time twiddling OS/2... I decided on a
> whim to give linux a try. And guess what? It's now my server of choice.
> Fast, easier to setup and... not a single problem or bug to pester me into
> submission.
>
Agree.
> > IBM got lots right with OS/2, their marketing sucked big time.
> >
>
> That, I totally agree with. If IBM had BIGGER BALLS and pushed a lot
> harder when MicroSoft started their BS, I think all this crap with the DOJ
> and MS would never have been an issue. IBM missed this target, BIG TIME.
> But then again maybe Linux wouldn't be the same as it is now.
>
> As for me and OS/2? The days are numbered... maybe another month or so and
> it'll be relagated to "the dusty shelves". For now though... it's good
> client.
>
> Anyone want to buy my copy of WSEB? ;'0 Cheap... only $1500.00....
>
Have one to throw in myself. Don`t have a multi-processor-machine for
OS/2 now. Both are running linux. NT proved too unstable to put it on a
good machine, W2K won`t get installed until MS PROVES that it is better
than NT. I think they can`t, so it will probably stay off my machines
forever. Also, linux already proved to run faster and more dependable on
multi-processors. So why change a running system.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: 12 Feb 2001 23:19:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 13 Feb 2001 05:15:55 +1100,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>But you are the exception to the norm. Even if there were a
>>thousand people like you, it still so insignificant as to be
>>almost not worth talking about. Less than one percent of one percent
>>or something like that.
>
>If a thousand people were less than one percent of one percent, then the
>total sample size would have to be larger than 10 million.
>
>Nice own goal, Chad :)
>
Chad was never good at math. That's why he's an idiot with computers.
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