Linux-Advocacy Digest #172, Volume #32 Tue, 13 Feb 01 13:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: linux is dieing (Henry_Barta)
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING (Henry_Barta)
To the wintrolls ("Edward Rosten")
Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50 (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50 (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Interesting article ("Edward Rosten")
Re: SGI XFS Installation Update (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: To the wintrolls (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Peter Ammon)
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Answer this if you can... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? (Brian Langenberger)
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From: Henry_Barta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux is dieing
Date: 13 Feb 2001 17:10:56 GMT
Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How much battery does your UPS have? A laptop on my UPS would run for HOURS in
> a blackout. I wouldn't exactly call ComEd "reliable power".
I don't have a UPS on this. If the battery in the laptop were
any good, I wouldn't need one ;) Neither would I call ComEd
reliable, but they've been good for weeks now.
--
Hank Barta White Oak Software Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Predictable Systems by Design.(tm)
Beautiful Sunny Winfield, Illinois
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From: Henry_Barta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: 13 Feb 2001 17:13:23 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Bennetts family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Probably the only thing they have done to advance the world of computers
> (and full credit to them, they did get computers out into the home).
Their 'other' greatest contribution is that it is now acceptable
to release buggy software.
--
Hank Barta White Oak Software Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Predictable Systems by Design.(tm)
Beautiful Sunny Winfield, Illinois
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: To the wintrolls
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:18:53 +0000
You claim linux is worse than windows because it is ahrder to administer.
When we claim it Windows is less stable, you claim that the Admin is bad,
and it's not been setup properly, but otherwise it is more stable. That
must mean it can't be easy to administer.
Well, according to you is is easier to administer (but less stable), or harder to
administer (but as stable)?
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:21:16 -0500
Mike wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Hmmmmm, compression.
> >
> > Compression means 1 bit error = many many bytes of corruption.
> > I don't like it.
>
> Actually, it means nothing of the sort. That this result occurs with the
> common compression utilities used today only indicates that it's not a
> common problem.
Depends on the technology.
> If it was, it's easy to solve: both the odds of an error and
> its propagation length can be controlled. Theoretically, it may even be
> easier to detect and correct errors in files that have higher compression
> ratios.
Maybe != is.
>
> -- Mike --
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:21:50 -0500
chrisv wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>
> > Even DOZENS of GAMES seems like an exageration.
>
> Well, it's not.
>
> > Plus, that would make it "dozens of games" & not "dozens of apps".
>
> Semantics. The point is, the software is not available on Linux.
And in 1983, it wasn't there for Mafia$osft-DOS, either.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:23:22 -0500
Mike wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> ...
>
> > This new memory thing...using compression.
> > I don't like ANY device that automagically runs compression on
> > my data.
> >
> > 1) 1-bit error in raw storage => many BYTES of errors in read-back
> >
> > 2) storing files that are already compressed take up MORE room.
> >
> > 3) It won't let *ME* decide what I want compressed and not compressed.
>
> Well, if you read the press release, it seems that they've come up with four
> ideas. One of them is this storage thing, and it doesn't involve
> compression.
>
> I'll bet you don't know how your data is really stored on your disk, do you?
>
It's not compressed unless I specify that it be compressed.
1-bit errors STAY 1-bit errors, unless I explicitly compress the file.
> -- Mike --
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:25:51 +0000
> Another point of trivia - the acknowledged inventor of the programmable
> computer was a professional, who was aided by an amateur mathmeatician
> who also happened to be well-off (and a woman :-)
But the person who invented and built the first turing complete machine
was an ameture for most of his computing life. He certainly built the
first ever binary digital computer (with floating point, too) as an
ameture.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SGI XFS Installation Update
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:25:59 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <E4bi6.93$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tom Wilson"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Stuart Krivis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 04:47:21 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >may have fixed it. Webmin is a far superior config tool, IMHO...
> >>
> >> vi is a far superior config tool. :-)
> >
> > If you're gonna be that way about it... Emacs rules! <g>
>
> Naw. You can't beat cat.
>
> Or ed
>
> -ed
>
When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi
*and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like,
'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'. So I use the editor
that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.
Ed, man! !man ed
ED(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual ED(1)
NAME
ed - text editor
SYNOPSIS
ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]
DESCRIPTION
Ed is the standard text editor.
-----
Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first
alphabetically, but because it's the standard. Everyone else loves ed
because it's ED!
"Ed is the standard text editor."
And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair. Just look:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed
-rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970 /usr/ucb/vi
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990 /usr/bin/emacs
Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed.
Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog
message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K;
and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!
"Ed is the standard text editor."
Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:
golem> ed
?
help
?
?
?
quit
?
exit
?
bye
?
hello?
?
eat flaming death
?
^C
?
^C
?
^D
?
---
Note the consistent user interface and error reportage. Ed is
generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm
the novice with verbosity.
"Ed is the standard text editor."
Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF
EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR
PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE
SUN
SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless
help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!!
Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED!
ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!
TEXT EDITOR.
When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their
"edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely
you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard.
Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on. If you
are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should
not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE
SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO
TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!
--
Miquel van Smoorenburg | Our vision is to speed up time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | eventually eliminating it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To the wintrolls
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:29:53 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> You claim linux is worse than windows because it is ahrder to administer.
>
> When we claim it Windows is less stable, you claim that the Admin is bad,
> and it's not been setup properly, but otherwise it is more stable. That
> must mean it can't be easy to administer.
>
> Well, according to you is is easier to administer (but less stable), or harder to
> administer (but as stable)?
>
> -Ed
It's both stable AND easy to administer....
as long as you keep the power switch turned off.
>
> --
> Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
> weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
> - The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
> |eng.ox.ac.uk
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:37:29 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peter Hayes wrote:
>
>
> You obviously have no idea how much a video editor can create in 15 minutes
> when on a roll. You suddenly see exactly how a scene should be cut, it
> takes only a few minutes to assemble it to the point where you know it's as
> good as it'll ever be, then **SPLAT** the Mac seizes solid. and you just
> know you've lost all that work, and worse, you know you'll never be able to
> recreate it. But if you're not an editor you'll not understand.
How does Windows/Linux/StudlyOS prevent your apps from crashing? When
the app crashes, you lose the same amount of work whether or not the OS
goes down too.
-Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:58:52 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:44:58 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias
Warkus) wrote:
>
>Why the hell should I write help files for KDE?
>mawa
Because it's something useful.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:06:06 GMT
It's almost impossible to by a crappy monitor now days. Even the worst
aren't that bad and the norm is .28 so what is your point?
Windows looks fine on every monitor I have ever seen it on and linux
does not, without tweaking that is.
I would also suspect that more people have decent monitors than crappy
ones because the crap ones would have died by now so it makes sense to
make the default 100dpi, or at least include a card in the box that
says "If your fonts suck, try this".
How many "Why does Netscape look so lousy?" posts are there in the
Linux groups?
They have entire web pages devoted to that topic, so there must be a
problem.
But, typical of the Penguinista you try and deny and reason around
what seems obvious to the rest of the world.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:43:45 +0100, "Mart van de Wege"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:15:07 +0100, "Mart van de Wege"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I bet a lot of prospective Linux users will be very put off by
>>>you wishing them a massive headache.
>>>
>>>Mart
>>
>> Try looking at a Sony or Nec 17 inch monitor with 75dpi and you
>> will most definitely have a headache.
>>
>>
>> Flatfish Why do they call it a flatfish? Remove the ++++ to
>> reply.
>Yeah,
>
>Those monitors have decent dotpitch and can handle 1024x768 and
>up. So you still haven't answered my point: what if you don't
>have a kick-ass monitor? 100dpi on a lower spec monitor *will*
>give you a headache. Convenient eh, snipping out that which does
>not agree with you?
>
>Mart
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:07:48 +0000 (UTC)
Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <966kim$avo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gerardo wrote:
:>Hello,
:>
:>I want to buy a laptop, and I want to have a dual boot system
:>(Nt/Linux). Many of the laptops are "windows designed".
:>Which brand/model would you suggest to have this running in a descent
:>way? I mean driver support for screen, CDROM/DVD, floppy, sound, etc.
:>
:>Thank you,
:>Gerardo
: Since IBM supports Linux on all of it's laptop's, I'd
: favor them. I like their design better anyway.
I've had an excellent time with my old ThinkPad 390E.
ThinkPads in general tend to have 3 button trackpoints,
the non-i* ones have no useless Windows keys, the keyboards
themselves are large and there's little (if any) hardware in
them that's *not* supported by Linux.
My aging 390E has been running Linux without a problem since
the day it arrived, and it still runs my software fast enough
that I don't have an excuse to upgrade. But when that day
comes, my next Linux laptop will be another ThinkPad.
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