Linux-Advocacy Digest #180, Volume #32 Tue, 13 Feb 01 21:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: KDE Whiners
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Nic Bellamy)
Re: KDE Whiners ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: KDE Whiners (Tim Hanson)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux Uptime (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Nic Bellamy)
The Windows guy. (mlw)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Rex Ballard)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Bloody Viking)
Re: Oh dear...another 1 (nearly) bites the dust... (mlw)
Re: La-Z-Boy and the Decline of Western Civilisation (Paolo Ciambotti)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Bloody Viking)
Re: KDE Whiners
Re: Answer this if you can...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:14:48 -0000
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:59:24 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tim Hanson wrote:
>
>> The KDE babies have been grieviously offended by this and haven't
>> stopped blubbering all day. Now they they're going to sue. Good way to
>> get laughed out of an attorney's office.
>
>I think the kde developers expected better from their
>fellow open source developers..
>
>I guess they were disappointed -
Only if they're big fat crybabies.
Even without the payoff, it is quite logical for google to
associate GNOME with KDE. In any other subject area, such
similar entities would indeed be cross referenced against
each other.
--
Regarding Copyleft:
There are more of "US" than there are of "YOU", so I don't
really give a damn if you're mad that the L/GPL makes it
harder for you to be a robber baron.
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/ | \
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From: Nic Bellamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:15:00 +1300
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> I tried vi but didn't like it. I prefer "pico" instead, and after an install I
> do a bit of file renaming to make pico the default editor instead of elvis.
You haven't heard of $EDITOR?
Chuck "export EDITOR=pico" in your ~/.bash_profile and conforming apps
(ie. crontab) will use it.
Regards,
Nic.
-- Nic Bellamy <nic at asterisk dot co dot nz>
IT Consultant, Asterisk Limited - http://www.asterisk.co.nz/
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: 14 Feb 2001 01:15:01 GMT
Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: It looks to me like simple competition, which _always_ benefits the
: consumer.
The competition is not what I object to. I believe that it is a good
thing and that the community is better off for the existence of *both*
projects.
Joe
: "Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
:>
:> Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : Ximian, which was Helixcode, son of GNOME, bought space from Google to
:> : put up their ad every time someone types KDE or Konqueror or a bunch of
:> : other KDE related names into their search field, sort of like Sun
:> : putting up ads on Linux sites, or Linux companies putting up ads on
:> : Microsoft sites.
:>
:> : The KDE babies have been grieviously offended by this and haven't
:> : stopped blubbering all day. Now they they're going to sue. Good way to
:> : get laughed out of an attorney's office.
:>
:> I don't have a public opinion on the KDE/Gnome debate other than to
:> say I like and use major parts of both.
:>
:> But this is just pathetic and silly behavior on *both* sides. It is
:> unbecoming of professionals, and reflects poorly on free software in
:> general, the excellent quality of both projects notwithstanding.
:>
:> Joe
: --
: A conclusion is simply the place where someone got tired of thinking.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:15:21 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> jtnews wrote:
> >
> > I just saw a news piece on Windows XP!
> > Microsoft claims that it can run for days
> > without crashing! Anyone have any real
> > world experience with Windows XP?
> > Is it really reliable?
> >
> > I already have 5 PC's at home all running
> > Linux. I don't see why I need a new OS.
>
> Well it's probably an improvement if they can use days as a sensible
> uptime unit!
Of course...Microsoft keeps time in Dog-hours.
> --
> http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:16:39 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:07:53 -0500, jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I just saw a news piece on Windows XP!
> >Microsoft claims that it can run for days
> >without crashing! Anyone have any real
> >world experience with Windows XP?
> >Is it really reliable?
>
> Just days? Hardwired russian apple II clones were more reliable.
>
> Bill gates deserves a house that burns to the ground every few days.
THAT would be funny!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:18:10 -0500
"Paul 'Z' Ewande�" wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> <SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
>
> > CONGRATU-FUCKING-LATIONS....welcome to the adult world where we
> > grown-ups acknowledge that there is no such thing as "intuitive"
>
> Thank you for ushering me in. Really. <Paul tries to repress his
> overwhelming emotions> Awmygawd, I think I'm gonna cry.
>
> > Now...having said that...
>
> > Why are ALL Unix configuration files fully documented,
> > but the LoseDOS configuration file (the Registry) *NOT* documented.
>
> Is that a question ? :)
>
> > > But you are welcome to use the documented, "intuitive" TweakUI 2K
> interface,
> > > assuming of course you want to use tab completion on Windows.
> >
> > TweakUI doesn't do shit.
>
> Prompts you to post using "creative" naming which really bolster your points
> and sow what a kick ass, no neonsense adult you are. :)
>
> <SNIP> Some more stuff </SNIP>
>
> Paul 'Z' Ewande
Glad to see you enjoy my writing style.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:19:19 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:20:35 GMT, Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Nils Zonneveld wrote:
> >>
> >> Tim Hanson wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Ximian, which was Helixcode, son of GNOME, bought space from Google to
> >> > put up their ad every time someone types KDE or Konqueror or a bunch of
>
> When is this supposed to start?
>
> --
> |||
> / | \
It already ended. Ximian basically caved. www.ximian.com/google.php3
"Acting is an art which consists of keeping the audience from
coughing."
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:19:11 -0500
"Paul 'Z' Ewande�" wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> <SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
>
> > > > > As if apps didn't crash under Linux/UNIX.
> > > >
> > > > Not due to kernel level deadlocks, no.
> > >
> > > I couldn't care less if it was caused by little gremlins. A crashed app
> is a
> > > crashed app is a crashed app. And this sh*t also happens on UNIX/Linux
> > > systems.
> >
> > You're missing my point....
>
> And you're missing mine, apparently. It's okay, those things happen.
>
Your point is quite visable....
...Seeing how it's right on top of your head and all...
> <SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
>
> Paul 'Z' Ewande
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Linux Uptime
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:20:56 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Bloody Viking
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 11 Feb 2001 21:59:45 GMT
<96720h$dr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>Nigel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>: Wow - how many other operating systems can have an uptime longer than the
>: life of the hardware.
>
>: On a linux server the hard-drive, keyboard, mouse, monitor and display card
>: can all die long before the operating system dies - under windows even the
>: most unreliable bit of hardware will outlast the uptime of the operating
>: system ( which is under 1 day on win9x and under 3 weeks for NT/Win2k).
>
>Actually, the present day 32-bit Linux has a finite uptime: The year 2038.
>Still that'll outlast just about any equipment. I can attest that Linux
>outlasted an HP CD-ROM burner.
<blatant plug>
http://www.aimnet.com/~ewill/clocks/yadc/yadc.html
or
http://myweb.ncal.verio.com/~ewill/clocks/yadc/yadc.html
</blatant plug>
:-)
>
>--
>FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
>The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
>The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
:-9
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- OK, so I like weird clocks...
EAC code #191 8d:11h:47m actually running Linux.
Use the source, Luke.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:21:56 -0000
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:27:21 +0100, ono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Typical, typical, typical.
>> >When a stat falls on the Linux side of the fence, it's to be put on
>>
>> Why should anyone consider these data useful?
>I consider the browser stats very useful. If ns falls below 5% I'm going to
>stop providing for them. If linux takes over W2K I'm having a closer look at
>it.
That does not address the methodology of the data gathering
or it's actual resemblance to the base of web users at large.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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/ | \
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:23:45 -0000
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:36:03 -0800, Boris Dynin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> There is no question that linux is a superior paradigm for the end user
>> who is a professional developer or engineer. Linux *IS* more stable
>> than windows. You *CAN* integrate your own applications into the
>> system. The tools *ARE* better, and this *WILL* make you more
>> productive.
>>
>> Compared to what I have now, my windows pc was a toy.
>I'm a developer. Never used Linux in my life (and not going to). I got Sun
>workstation on my desk (and 5 NT/W2k PCs). I'm tremendously more productive
>on Windows than on Sun. MS development tools are the best of breed in my
>opinion (I'm talking about Visual Studio 6); I'm a C++ programmer. Visual
>C++ IDE is light years ahead of vi, emacs, gdb. As for Unix utilities: awk,
If this is all you can bother to make comparisons against then
you are woefully unqualified to make any comments on this matter.
[deletia]
--
Unless you've got the engineering process to match a DEC,
you won't produce a VMS.
You'll just end up with the likes of NT.
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/ | \
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From: Nic Bellamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:27:44 +1300
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Salvador Peralta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:967va9$33i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Linux *IS* more stable than windows
>
> Hardly. Windows9x maybe, but not 2000.
I guess the Linux boxes out there that have been up longer than W2K has
been out don't get counted?
Although they really should upgrade to a newer kernel ;-)
Regards,
Nic.
-- Nic Bellamy <nic at asterisk dot co dot nz>
IT Consultant, Asterisk Limited - http://www.asterisk.co.nz/
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: The Windows guy.
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:38:29 -0500
I got a co-worker that is big into Windows. He complains that Windows has all
the tools he needs and Linux is too primitive. He is sure that Windows does all
he needs.
He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in VI. I
tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his cube.
"Sweet!"
Just a few more incidents like this and he will start to think his Windows
platform isn't so easy to use.
The people that say Windows is easier to use haven't put the effort in to
learning some simple tools. Like a person that has an adjustable open-end
wrench and knows nothing about socket wrenches. Life is simpler with one
wrench, sure, but work is easier with a wide selection of tools.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Rex Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:41:56 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Paul 'Z' Ewande�" wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> <SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
>
> > > How does Windows/Linux/StudlyOS prevent your apps from crashing?
Obviously, there is no way to completely eliminate application
failures. On
the other hand, there are a number of things that you can do to reduce
the risk
of failure, and to minimize the impact of failures.
To begin with, Linux' Open Source libraries make it very easy to trust
the
libraries. When there is a problem, you can trace the failure all the
way
down to the library subroutine call. In some cases, you can even trace
failures
all the way into the Linux Kernel and even to the driver modules.
Some of these Linux libraries are actually ports of the BSD 4.0
libraries
and have been used in the world's most demanding commercial, industrial,
and
military environments in the world.
> > > When the app crashes, you lose the same amount
> > > of work whether or not the OS goes down too.
This isn't always true. Most of us are familiar with the ability of Web
Browsers
to persist an application environment even though the server may have
failed. You simply continue the transaction on another server.
Linux and UNIX have very efficient multitasking. As a result, there is
less need to resort to threads. Furthermore, the "application" can
actually be several servers. Enlightment Epplets and many Gnome Gnorba
apps are actually connected via the server. The key is that the servers
are fully independent of the GUI all other servers.
Windows 2000 actually adopts a number of these UNIX/Linux concepts in
their Com+ facilities since the MTS threads are very similar to UNIX
"fork()" tasks. Microsoft also adopted much of the memory management
strategies of Linux/UNIX in Windows 2000. The Windows 2000
approach reduces the impact of a single thread failure to that thread
without impacting other threaads. Microsoft also does the equivalent of
Linux/UNIX:
"xrdb /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/*"
which preloads the resource database (registry) to accelerate the start
of applications.
Unfortunately, getting these performance and availability gains reqiures
that the entire application be redesigned to exploit Windows 2000, and
the cost is sufficiently high
that it's unlikely that many will invest the money if there is any risk
that Microsoft will attempt to compete or do it's typical retaliation.
Linux is a more open and competive
market and doesn't have some of the barriers to entry that the Microsoft
market has.
For example, it's very unlikely that Netscape Navigator, Lotus Smart
Suite, Lotus Notes,
or Corel Office Suite will be radically redesigned to support Windows
2000 exclusively.
Most 3rd party vendors seem quite happy to go for Windows 95
compatibility which
gives them access to WINE, Win4Lin, Windows 9x, Windows ME, Windows NT4,
AND
Windows 2000. It's unlikely that Microsoft will risk driving vendors to
Linux specific ports by breaking the backward compatibility.
> > Another strike against Windows....
> > Too many OS deadlocks which cause apps to crash.
Keep mind that one of the problems here is that because there is no
windows
source code widely available, it's very easy to lock resources in
conflicting
order. In Linux/UNIX, the kernel can arbitrate most of the locks. When
a deadlock
is detected, both applications can be notified immediately. I believe
that MTS
provides some of this type of capability, but I'm not sure to what
degree.
> As if apps didn't crash under Linux/UNIX.
Apps do crash under Linux, but not as often. The only equivalent to the
classic
"blue screen of death" is an application that somehow manages to send an
X-wire sequence that causes the X11 Server to crash. This is possible,
but it takes some really clever
and deliberate mischief. Since the interface between the applications
and the server is the serial X11 protocol over sockets. A denial of
service attack against the server is possible, but only from authorized
machines.
> Paul 'Z' Ewande
--
Rex Ballard
Information Technology Architect
Open Systems/Open Source Advocate
http://www.open4success.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: 14 Feb 2001 01:43:15 GMT
Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: > No thanks. I'll just use Slackware. You forget something. Maybe some people
: > are SICK AND TIRED OF GIVING OUT PERSONAL INFORMATION. I'm one of them. I use
: Damn straight.
We need more people to get fed up. Why do stores insist on knowing your name
and address when you pay cash anyways? Simple. It's for spamlists.
: > cash as much as possible these days. I use no "preferred customer card". I'm
: Same hear. I am absolutely repulsed by the idea of a supermarket
: keeping
: track of what particular items I, as an individual, purchase at their
: store.
: They know what their sales rates are. They have absolutely *NO* good
: reason
: to know exactly who purchased what item, other than for the purpose of
: being
: extremely invasive.
And snailspam is invasive. It's like the lame mail in rebates on everything.
They overprice it and "offer" the rebate.
: > damn near to the point of using an alias when shopping with fake address when
: > asked for that information. I no longer answer the phone due to telemarketers,
: Caller ID is good for this.
I get extremely few legit calls.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oh dear...another 1 (nearly) bites the dust...
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:48:01 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > *Rotten_168* wrote:
> > >
> > > mlw wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > The only way to make money with free software is to sell services.
> > >
> > > Ah, but what about selling decent documentation?
> >
> > Absolutely! Wouldn't you also consider that a service?
> >
> > In that not, has anyone seen the new PostgreSQL book? Its pretty good.
>
> No. Please expand. What's it like?
It is very good. I bought a few copies for my co-workers. It has a good SQL
outline as relevant to postres, and has a very good reference to all the bits
and pieces of Postgres. It is easier to look at the index than to try and find
the info on-line. Great desk reference.
The whole thing is available on-line, but it is worth the bucks to have the
print.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Paolo Ciambotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: La-Z-Boy and the Decline of Western Civilisation
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:48:00 -0800
Tom Wilson wrote:
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:969f2s$pj2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I'd hate to see what would happen if someone hacked into the chair and
> > gained full controll.
> >
>
> Pray for KY Jelly....<g>
>
> This thread is getting very silly....
In a similar, but no less silly, vein....
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/02/13/1649203.shtml
Make sure you read the EULA while standing.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: 14 Feb 2001 01:46:21 GMT
Mike Martinet ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Whoah! Hold on there little buckaroo. I'm the one who said I hope MS
: tries to turn their software into a subscription service because I
: believe it will *speed* the acceptance of Linux as an alternative. In
: other words, I completely agree with your forklift analogy.
: "This is not your father's forklift"
A fun question is what is the wierdest analogy ever devised for Microsoft.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:52:37 -0000
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:19:19 GMT, Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:20:35 GMT, Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Nils Zonneveld wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Tim Hanson wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Ximian, which was Helixcode, son of GNOME, bought space from Google to
>> >> > put up their ad every time someone types KDE or Konqueror or a bunch of
>>
>> When is this supposed to start?
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>It already ended. Ximian basically caved. www.ximian.com/google.php3
Got a good example of an arrangement analogous to this one
which is still going on?
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Ease of use should be associated with things like "human engineering"
and "use the right tool for the right job". And of course,
"reliability", since stopping to fix a problem or starting over due
to lost work are the very antithesis of "ease of use".
Bobby Bryant - COLA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:57:48 -0000
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:54:50 +0100, John Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 06:47:43 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> Its laughable but I also find that the DOS program MC (Midnicht
>>> Commander) is one of the most productive tools on Linux!
>>
>>I think you mean "mc", not "MC".
>
>Only unix needs this.
Typing MC is more work actually.
>
>>It's unclear why you call this a "dos program" but it was
>>written IIRC by Miguel De Icaza, star of "Antitrust".
>>
>Its a Linux clone of Norton Commander a DOS programm from the 80's.
I knew WinDOS users that were using NC as late as 1995.
Apparently, they just didn't like the WinDOS GUI options
available at the time...
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In general, Microsoft is in a position of EXTREME conflict of
interest being both primary supplier and primary competitor.
Their actions must be considered in that light. How some people
refuse to acknowledge this is confounding.
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