Linux-Advocacy Digest #180, Volume #35 Wed, 13 Jun 01 03:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Colin Day)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Here's a switch for a change (Greg Cox)
Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Michael Vester)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Sandman)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Stephen S. Edwards II")
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From: Colin Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:21:10 -0400
Peter K=F6hlmann wrote:
> =
> First of all, I could never understand how on earth any reasonable man =
/
> woman would want to play a DVD-Movie on a *computer* instead of the muc=
h
> better choice of a DVD-Player connected to a big screen and a *real* st=
ereo
> with *real* surround qualities, not the toy ones found in todays comput=
ers.
My computer screen is bigger than my TV screen.
Colin Day
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:20:05 +1200
Are you sure you're a yankie? you sound a little more enlightended to the
rest of the world that the typical yankie.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
nobody hears your scream's
Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
however, in New Zealand and Australia
a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
For AOL and earthlink lusers asking stupid questions:
Seek and ye shall find
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > True enough. Back in the 80's I had three languages installed on a VAX
> > > and sometimes mixed the three together to get good results. At least
on
> > > a VAX I could link these object modules together without any hassles
or
> > > tricks.
> >
> > Its rather humourous that Microsoft on the other hand saw computing in
the
> > 80's non-standardise and evil, TRANSLATION: Bill Gates wasn't screwing
the
> > market over and over again.
> >
> > The market was not fragmented or any other Microsoft drival relating the
> > market situation. UNIX was not fragmented, there were only three UNIX's
for
> > Intel, SCO UnixWare, *BSD and Solaris, during the 80s. So, this self
> > proclaimed, "we created the PC revolution" is based on nothing but
Microsoft
> > propaganda.
> >
> > For the businesses, there were UNIX mainframes/servers w/ dumb
terminals,
> > which did everything desktop did. Small businesses bought shared time on
> > mainframes, which, compared to now, worked out cheaper. For home use,
the
> > two major players were Atari and Amiga, and generally speaking you could
> > swap files between Atari-Amiga without any problems.
> >
> > For Yanks who don't know who Atari or Amiga is, no offence, but
ignorance is
> > your nation's past time, and it won't ever change.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> > --
> > I am the blue screen of death
> > nobody hears your scream's
> >
> > Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
> > however, in New Zealand and Australia
> > a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
>
> Me yank... I had an Atari and an Amiga... I liked the amiga better.
>
> --
> V
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:22:22 +1200
But the fish would have forgotten what we talked about in three seconds.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
nobody hears your scream's
Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
however, in New Zealand and Australia
a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
For AOL and earthlink lusers asking stupid questions:
Seek and ye shall find
"Peter K�hlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\) wrote:
>
> >> Please refrain from speaking out of your ass.
> >>
> >> Every Unix system I've used so far (which is Solaris, AIX, IRIX,
> >> Linux, and BSD) (yes, I know Linux isn't Unix, but you get my drift)
> >> every single one of them seems to be teetering on the edge of failure.
> >> I've had to reinstall this Solaris box on my desk 3 times now because
> >> the fscking pkgadd and patchadd BS fails constantly while installing
> >> patches. If you call that "structured" and a "good design" then you're
> >> smoking crack.
> >
> > First of all Chad, give up Solaris, because obviously you donot have the
> > intellectual capacity to use an OS that is so easy a 10 year old can
use.
> >
> > What error message is being output'ed? because, there is an error code
> > which corresponds to a meaning, and in most cases, when the error does
> > occur, it is simply saying that, that particular patch has already been
> > applied.
> > Compared to Microsoft's msgbox-a-thon. Also, did you take the time to
> > look at the patch log in the /var directory?
> >
> > Also, you failed to tell what release? Solaris 2.6? Solaris 7? Solaris
8?
> > what release date? 10/00? 06/00? what? you have absolutely no SUN
> > experience
> > what so ever. Stick to Windows machines, designed for people like you,
> > with the intellectual capacity of a fish.
> >
> You should not offend the fish by comparing them to Chad.
>
>
> Peter
>
> --
> All things are possible except skiing through a revolving door
>
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From: Greg Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Here's a switch for a change
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 05:39:32 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:37:42 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:12:04 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >> > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:9frbdu$5ku4u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> > He's demanding to talk to the store manager because Windows wiped out
> >> >> > all of his data which contained some kind of a web based research
> >> >> > project (best I could gather in between screams).
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd like to have been there and heard the manager try to explain that
> > not
> >> >> only was his data permanently gone with no chance of compensation but
> > he
> >> >> couldn't have a refund on the software because he agreed to the
> > no-refunds
> >> >> clause in the EULA when he installed the product. - but he could have
> >> >> another copy of the same product in exchange.
> >> >
> >> > There is no such clause in the EULA, in fact MS offers a 30 day money
> > back
> >> > guarantee on retail software.
> >>
> >> which if you try to collect (on the os that came shipped with your PC)
> >> they refuse, say that you have to collect from the manufacturer of the
> >> PC.
> >
> > The OS that ships with the PC is an OEM, not a retail copy.
> >
> > If you try to bring back your AC Delco radio, I'm sure Delco will likely
> > laugh at you.
> >
> >
> >
>
> In the windows EULA, it says that if you don't agree to it, you should
> return it for a refund, which M$ refuses to pay. If I bought a radio
> which turned out to be a piece of sh!t, I'd return it, but I can't seem
> to do the same thing with windows, why is that Eric?
>
Why is this so hard for people to understand? If you buy Microsoft
software at a retail store and the EULA says you can return it for a
refund then you can return it for a refund either at the store you got
it from or directly from Microsoft. As far as I know no one has ever
been denied a refund in this retail situation. If you bought a computer
that had Microsoft software included with an OEM based EULA then you need
to go to the manufacturer of the computer to get a refund. This is the
exact same situation I was in when I bought my Toyata pickup. It had a
radio as standard equipment. I didn't want it (I wanted a Clarion
radio/CD player instead) and asked for a refund. The dealer not only
said they wouldn't give me a refund for a standard equipment item but
would have to charge me mechanic's time to remove the radio. Do you
honestly believe the manufacturer of my pickup's radio is responsible to
give me the refund if I ask for it?
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:15:32 -0700
LShaping wrote:
>
> That is why neither of your opinions make a hen's shit of difference
> in the (free) world.
>
I never thought it would.
> Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >GreyCloud wrote:
> >>
> >> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Rex Ballard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > >
> >> > > Actually,
> >> > >
> >> > > The ILoveYou Virus caused over $2.8 Billion in damages to nearly 50
> >> > > million
> >> > > users (roughly $500/user on average). The total average damages
> >> > > resulting
> >> > > from Microsoft sponsored security holes now exceeds $2000/user/year
> >> > > (so much
> >> > > for TCO).
> >> >
> >> > Interestingly enough, a recent Macintosh virus has come out that does the
> >> > equivelant of the ILoveYou virus, using Applescript instead. It does use
> >> > Outlook Express, but it also works with non-MS email clients as well.
> >>
> >> I just wish whoever writes these damn viruses would just quit or get a
> >> life.
> >> Its screwing up computing.
> >>
> >> --
> >> V
>
> >I second the motion. There is enough problems without the deliberate
> >mayhem. Prison and a publically accessable list of convicted offenders.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 05:53:45 GMT
In article <9g6m7g$3dl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dan Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Maynard Handley)
>writes:
>
>>The point is not that "all you have to do is copy the material in this
>>tree from here to there; then copy the scripts that you modified in this
>>folder; then copy whatever X placed in that folder".
>>The point is that I have to do anything at all.
>
>??? How would you expect the software installed on one machine to
>migrate to another without doing "anything at all"?
I think in MVS land, it just happens. Add more DASD, add more
CPUs, take CPUs away, move your entire data center over a pile of
T3s to a completely new set of hardware, and everything's Just There.
The stuff underneath changes. The OS changes. The Sysplex
is Eternal ;)
This may be partly wrong, and it certainly glosses over
configuration details inherent in adding and removing hardware and
software. Nontheless, the Sysplex IS eternal.
I am more nearly certain that this is true, and relatively
painless, in AS/400 land.
This does nothing to solve Maynard's problem, but it does
underline that it can be done. The fact that it isn't done, as far
as I know, in ANY personally-affordable computing environment is
a travesty. Shame on the industry.
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From: Sandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:36:16 +0200
In article <9g673u$688$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What I would actually like to see is PDF replace all proprietary document
> formats, so there is one, universal document format that will work on every
> platform, every office suite, no matter who makes it.
Go forced standards! We should all think alike!!
No, seriously, I agree. I like the idea of layout looking the same way all
the time. PDF has it's limitations to html though, and we'd have to find a
new cool format that replaces both PDF and html, something that can be used
for the web and for print. :)
--
Sandman[.net]
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:38:54 -0700
"Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> Well, let me throw this one at you, how do you feel about the fact that
> here in America, somebody under 21 can buy a gun and serve his country,
> but he/she can't even walk into a friggin' bar and order a beer? Where's
> the American freedom there?
It is preposterous, and such laws are a result
of the liberal mindset. That law was as recent
as the 70's, IIRC. The reason why laws like
that one get put into place is because of
a lack of patriotism, and pride. People just
apathetically allow these idiotic politicians
to do their own bidding, without saying a damn
word.
> I've heard several Canadians talk about warning people who take a trip
> into America about how to act with the police: be extremely obsequious.
> In Canada apparently, the police act as a force that exists to help you,
> they are friendly, courteous, helpful etc. They don't automatically
> assume you are guilty of a crime like here in the states. American
> police are seen as jack-booted thugs who have stop and search your car
> if they feel like it, without a warning.
In Arizona, I know that some police officers
are complete assholes, who only do what they
do because they are control freaks. But there
are many others who are civically minded, who
do what they do because it is their calling.
Such attributes cannot really be painted with
such a broad stroke. There is corruption
everywhere, unfortunately. I know that Joe
Arpaio is heavy-handed, but his intentions
are to send a message to criminals, and
the morons in the courts who let them off.
I like Joe, but he does have an intimidating
way about him, and other sherrifs are kind
of following his suit, which might be
contributing to the image you described.
Speaking of AZ, and corruption, I'll be
first in line if there is a recall election
on McCain.
> If anywhere should be put on the pedestal of freedom, it should be
> Denmark.
> So while I do have a certain amount of pride in this country, part of me
> is pissed off as hell about the apathy people display when they tout the
> "freedom" of America when that's not entirely the case.
That is EXACTLY the kind of viewpoint
that I wish more people had.
People in this country are apathetic, because
that is how the liberals want them to be.
Liberals in this country want you to think
that you cannot make it without them. They
want people to think that more govt. == more
freedom. The reason for this is simple: they
want job security, and they want control,
because that leads to... you guessed it, more
money in their pockets. After all, it's our
money... why the hell should we have it?
For example, have you noticed that Daschle and
Gephart have STILL been going on and on about
"Global Warming"? Have you heard that it was
discovered that the temperature measurements
around the globe were highly flawed when that
"conclusion" was reached?
It turns out that the trawlers and ships that
were taking the readings were taking them from
the rear of the crafts... well, the water gets
warmed from the engines back there.
I'll post a URL to the story if I can find
it again. Kinda makes you think.
You should be pissed off... I'm just as pissed
off as you are about such nonsense... you're
much more patriotic than you give yourself
credit for. :-)
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:51:27 -0700
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g6rkj$ldo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Then I think you are missing the point...
> >
> > Being patriotic has nothing to do with blindly
> > defending anything. If you are a patriot, then
> > you have cause to love your country. If you are
> > not a patriot, then you either don't care, which
> > is the attitude many of the "we must hate and
> > punish ourselves" liberals are, or you simply
> > don't like it here, in which case, you shouldn't
> > stay here, lest you be miserable.
> >
> > > To me, patriotism is "America right or wrong".
> >
> > Again, you are missing the point of patriotism.
> >
> > Tell me, would you feel confident in American
> > defense if our military wasn't patriotic?
> >
> > What if Bush decided to "be nice" to China, instead
> > of threatening that we would show them where we
> > were going to stick those chopsticks of theirs if
> > they didn't exceed to our demands, do you think
> > we would have gotten our men back?
> >
> > The notion that patriotism is a bad thing is a sign
> > of someone who has been spiritually defeated, and
> > I honestly cannot believe that you, assuming you are
> > an American, do not feel some sort of pride in this
> > place.
>
> Why do you pick out China? Maybe during the cold war, the Soviet Union
> (including the eastern block), China, Vietnam, North Korea, with a
combined
> standing army of 22million, should have wiped the US off the map. Europe
> would be happy, no more uncultured yanks telling them what to do.
If it wasn't for the U.S., Adolf and
Hirohito would have wiped your country
off the face of the Earth.
Why does everyone keep talking about how the
Soviets defeated the Nazis? That's utter
bullshit. The Soviets spent more time shooting
their own people for cowardess and treason than
they did killing Nazis.
The fact is, if Europe hadn't dragged us into
their little conflict, they would have been
overrun. They were in quite poor shape once
we got into the game. From that point, we
called the shots, and kicked 3rd Reich ass.
But too many Euros have far too much ego
to admit that someone else actually saved
their asses. I have no problem acknowledging
that the French saved our asses in the revolution
for example. Why can't you people get over
your own egotistical ways?
> Britainnia regaining her position in the SUN once again. Canada happy
they
> finally have a quiet neighbour. Cuba continuing to produce cigars.
> Generally speaking, the world moving on like normal.
>
> > > > I don't love the U.S. because "I was born here by chance".
> > > > I love the U.S. because I've seen the alternatives, and
> > > > they suck in comparison.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sick of working-class union-types, who think that
> > > > being American is about being a worker all your life.
> > > >
> > > > Being an American is about achieving greatness, on your
> > > > own, like in the old days, when people knew what they
> > > > had. If you think that there's no reason to love the
> > > > US, then I'd suggest that you go and live in China for
> > > > a few years, and then we'll see what you have to say.
> > > >
> > > > If you don't understand that, then you are a spineless
> > > > coward.
> > > >
> > > > Godammed fucking linguini-spined coward liberals just
> > > > piss me off... GRRR!@#
> > >
> > > Ok it seems we've touched on a hot subject here, just try to see it my
> > > way, and I'm not some horrible commie who wants to burn all American
> > > flags or something.
> >
> > I'll never see it that way, because I'm happy to be who
> > I am. I'm a proud Yank, and I'll die a proud Yank. On
> > top of that, I'm a Son of the American Revolution (SAR),
> > so this country's roots flows in my veins, my friend.
>
> Son of the American Revolution (SAR), <== Whining Yanks donot count. New
No. SAR == proud American with a great heritage.
> Zealand, settled, and treaty of Waitangi signed in 1880's, made a dominion
> in the 1920's. So, for 40 years, we were a colony, and then we gained our
> independence from mother England. Funny, when America gained her
> independence by force, they were one of the last countries to ban slavery,
> even though it was supposedly founded on "freedom" and "equality".
>
> > I can't believe that you would seriously advocate that
> > people shouldn't be proud of who they are, and where they
> > come from... do you know what the word is for people who
> > are like that?... defeated.
>
> Yes, proud, but not ignorant of other countries. Too many times I have see
> yanks living a life that is oblivious to the world around them. For
Really? How long have you lived in the U.S. yourself?
Tell me, how is it that you can know about every
single person here, what they think, and how they
feel... you must be Jesus Christ returned.
[snipped irrelevant crap]
> > To be honest, it sounds to me that you are actually buying
> > into the "we should be ashamed of who we are in light of
> > the other cultures out there" blithering that the Daschles
> > and the Gepharts in Washington are spewing onto the T.V.
>
> Don't be ashamed of where you come from, but remember, don't be ignorant.
> The worst thing is to be a partiotic, ignorant slob.
And thank you for serving to be a perfect
example of just that.
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