Linux-Advocacy Digest #194, Volume #32 Wed, 14 Feb 01 17:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: KDE Whiners (Mig)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Microsoft plans lend further aid to open source OSes (Brian Langenberger)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Mark Hadfield")
Re: The Windows guy. (Nigel)
Re: KDE Whiners (Mig)
Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control) ("Mark Weaver")
Re: linux is dieing (Joseph Dalton)
Re: The Windows guy. (Nigel)
Re: The Windows guy. (Nigel)
Re: The Windows guy. (Nigel)
Re: Microsoft plans lend further aid to open source OSes (Peter Hayes)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Robert Surenko)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Karel Jansens)
All of linux in this site www.frecell.6go.net is the best site of linux ("frecell")
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Nigel)
Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: KDE Whiners
WindowsXP - Pay us to solve our bugs (pip)
Re: linux is dieing
Re: Microsoft plans lend further aid to open source OSes
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,redhat.networking.general
Subject: Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:59:24 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:21:04 -0700, Chris Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Yea.
> >> Run Windows instead of Linsux .
> >>
> >> Or, do without your hardware like most Linux users.
>
> I have been using a USB keyboard, mouse and joystick for 12 months.
>
> I have been using fully suppported 3D gaming cards of various kinds
> for over 2 years.
>
> I have been using a flatbed scanner and video overlay card for
> over 2 years.
>
> What is it that I'm supposed to be missing?
Blue screens of death.
>
> >
> >Hmmm, still waiting for Win98 to support my USB Jumpshot card reader.
>
> --
>
> The LGPL does infact tend to be used instead of the GPL in instances
> where merely reusing a component, while not actually altering that
> component, would be unecessarily burdensome to people seeking to
> build their own works.
>
> This dramatically alters the nature and usefulness of Free Software
> in practice, contrary to the 'all viral all the time' fantasy the
> anti-GPL cabal here would prefer one to believe.
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,redhat.networking.general
Subject: Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:00:24 -0500
Chris Webster wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:21:04 -0700, Chris Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yea.
> > >> Run Windows instead of Linsux .
> > >>
> > >> Or, do without your hardware like most Linux users.
> >
> > I have been using a USB keyboard, mouse and joystick for 12 months.
> >
> > I have been using fully suppported 3D gaming cards of various kinds
> > for over 2 years.
> >
> > I have been using a flatbed scanner and video overlay card for
> > over 2 years.
> >
> > What is it that I'm supposed to be missing?
>
> Just Winmodems, if that's considered a flaw.... ;^)
Actually, there are drivers for LOSEmodems now, too.
>
> --Chris
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:56:13 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:26:17 +0100, Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Tim Hanson wrote:
> >
> >> Mig wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Tim Hanson wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > It looks to me like simple competition, which _always_ benefits the
> >> > > consumer.
> >> >
> >> > BS..... This is about KDE<->Ximian and not Gnome<->KDE.
> >> >
> >> > Ximian is a commercial entity that uses dirty tricks to sell their
> >> > products - its as simple as that.
> >> > --
> >> > Cheers
> >> This is the first time I've seen advertizing described as a dirty
> >> trick.
> >
> >Its certainly not what we in Europe are used to. Why the heck should
> >there be a link to Ximian when one searches for "TheKompany" or
> >"TrollTech" or "KDE" ??
>
> Why? They are similar things. It is common to see similar things
> organized together in an index not stored on a computer of some
> kind. Although, that's a little more advanced than the typical
> web search engine.
It seems to be a differnece in culture. I find the Ximian aproach
outrageos and quite disgusting - so did many others. After that was pointed
out by the two KDE developers Ximian removed the links so it is a non
issue.
> Alternately, a particular gnome doodad might be further along
> than the coresponding kde doodad or vice versa.
This has absolutely nothing to do with KDE<->Gnome... its only about
advertising methods used by Ximian.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:10:44 -0600
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> At this rate, AMD is going to eat Intel for breakfast.
> :-))))))))
Intel realizes they can't compete with AMD today, though they do have a new
version of the PIII coming out later in the year which will take much better
advantage of DDR and RDRAM, and when the "real" Pentium 4 (currently code
named NorthWood) starts shipping later in the year, it will put AMD in quite
a squeeze.
When I say "real" pentium 4, I mean what the P4 was supposed to be. The P4
was rushed out the door to compete with AMD and they disabled all the
features that weren't finished yet, causing it to be the mess that it is.
When the real one goes out the door, AMD should be shivering in their boots.
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft plans lend further aid to open source OSes
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:04:07 +0000 (UTC)
Nigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> I stopped running windows altogether when I bought a dreamcast.
:>
: You mean that sega console that runs on Windows CE - if you think you have
: escaped windows then think again (at least until you get the playstation2 as
: games for this are mostly developed on linux).
Uh, no. The OS of any particular Dreamcast game is included on the
GD-ROM along with the code. So, while the Dreamcast does have "Windows CE"
emblazoned on the front, only a small few of the hundreds of Dreamcast
games actually use it. Most use Sega's "Shinobi" OS (IIRC) and are
Microsoft-free - if that's important to you.
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From: "Mark Hadfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:45:56 +1300
"John Hasler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I wrote:
> > How do theists explain God?
>
> Stefan writes:
> > I'd like to know that too.. but they usually don't.
>
> Thus they multiply their hypotheses needlessly.
Off topic?
---
Mark Hadfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://katipo.niwa.cri.nz/~hadfield
National Institute for Water and Atmospheric Research
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From: Nigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:05:33 +0000
> Right. Think how easy to set up a LAN with NT4 Bugfix 6 and how hard it is
> to keep it running.
>
Don't you mean Service pack 6 - windows never needs bugfixes, only regular
service packs (yes I am taking the piss out of our resident wintrolls).
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:03:07 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[cut]
> >Its certainly not what we in Europe are used to. Why the heck should
> >there be a link to Ximian when one searches for "TheKompany" or
> >"TrollTech" or "KDE" ??
>
> The same notion that makes it seem useful to advertise to that
> group of people makes it sensible to cross reference the one
> entity with the other.
Nonsens... people are searching for KDE and not for Ximian.. and a cross
reference would be with the competitive sister project at gnome.org... and
not Ximian.. Even though Miguel works for both it does not mean that Gnome
is controlled by Ximian. (at least as i understand) . so even using your
cross reference arguments it shoudl be a link to Gnome solely and not
Ximian.
> [deletia]
> >If it was not dirty why is it then removed?
>
> Ethics is irrelevant when it comes to PR. If something causes
> a stink, you stop doing it to save face. "dirty" has nothing
> to do with it.
OK then lets call it unethical.
--
Cheers
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From: "Mark Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:08:08 GMT
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> why else would
> Microsoft even invent this technology. They have never been
> proponents of open standards: Direct 3D was invented to make game
> developers develop for Windows, NetBIOS/NTDOM was invented to make
> people buy NT servers, and now we find out that the Windows 2000
> 'signed driver' technology wasn't intented to make the OS more
> reliable, but to give Microsoft control over media services.
>
> Fun stuff.
>
Right. MS's first attempt at secure digital music was cracked quickly with
a virtual sound-card driver that simply captured the raw digitial audio
after it had beeen decrypted. So MS is trying to close that hole by
securing the whole 'sound stack'. Hmm. Well, at least, it'll give the
hackers out there a fun new challenge to work on...
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From: Joseph Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux is dieing
Date: 14 Feb 2001 16:10:35 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () writes:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:05:12 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Bloody Viking wrote:
> >>
> >> Henry_Barta ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >>
> >> : I don't have a UPS on this. If the battery in the laptop were
> >> : any good, I wouldn't need one ;) Neither would I call ComEd
> >> : reliable, but they've been good for weeks now.
> >>
> >> Yeah, but wait for summer. Anyways, it could be worse. You could be in
> >> California with its Third World style problems from the lame laws.
> >>
> >
> >Price controls ALWAYS lead to shortages.
> >
> >Ask anybody looking for an apartment in New York.
>
> This example is hardly definitive. There is a glaringly obvious
> issue of demand being greater than supply in cities such as
> New York. Price controls have NOTHING to do with it.
>
Actually, in most economics classes, this is indeed the definitive
example. Your conclusion is only true if price controls have no effect
on supply.
> [deletia]
>
> This is simply the result of too many people trying to fit
> into too small of an area.
>
A better example is the silicon valley area. I don't think there is
any rent price controls, ... however there are other controls having
to do with land use, ... oh, and property tax.
> --
>
> In general, Microsoft is in a position of EXTREME conflict of
> interest being both primary supplier and primary competitor.
> Their actions must be considered in that light. How some people
> refuse to acknowledge this is confounding.
> |||
> / | \
--
-- Joe Dalton
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Nigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:21:56 +0000
> I use Unix all day, every day.
>
Here is one example in current use:-
At work our CD burner machine is setup to triple-boot
Win9x, WinNT and Linux.
Under Win9x and WinNT it regularly fails due to buffer-underrun
errors yet in 6 months of regular use under linux has never had this
problem
Also, we back up our NT server once per week and I have written a linux
script which uses the unix 'find' command to list all directories under 2
weeks old into a file in a format compatible with the KDE based 'kisocd'
CD burning package. This script is run from an icon on the KDE desktop and
finishes by starting the kisocd package so when first dialog appears I know
the project files are ready to open and burn the CD's.
This is impossible under windows - firstly all windows ports of 'find' I
have seen don't have the output formatting options of the linux command and
secondly all windows based CD burning software I have seen use binary
project files so before using linux I had to waste half an hour each week
creating the project files to do the backups - under linux I click 1 icon
then wait 5 seconds for dialog to appear, load project, insert disk and
select 'Burn CD' - so much for the supposedly easier to use windows.
Not only this but under windows it won't burn 'on the fly' over a network
so it takes 15 mins to create image then 30 mins to burn CD (we only have a
2x speed writer) but under linux I can burn over network and save 15 mins
per disc (we use 3 CD's for our backup).
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From: Nigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:24:21 +0000
> Windows is easier to use. And, I have all those things on my Windows
> machine (vim, awk, sed, etc, etc) - and so should your coworker (if he's
> any good at tracking these things down, he will have in a few days). So,
> then what?
>
Let me see - you are saying that Windows is easier to use yet you need to
use copies of unix tools to get the job done. Now that's logical - NOT.
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From: Nigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:27:26 +0000
> REAL soft links
> REAL memory protected multi-tasking
> REAL pipes
> REAL multi-user capabilities
> REAL remote usage
>
Wow - didn't think of all of these. Bet the windows clones of unix tools
can't use the output of one command as commandline parameters for next
command.
Guess they'll miss the good old BSOD if they stop using windblows though.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft plans lend further aid to open source OSes
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:22:48 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:20:35 -0500, "Flacco"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2657517,00.html
> >
> > So, you won't be able to run your programs on Windoze unless Microsoft
> > says its OK. Seems a perfectly good reason not to run Windoze.
>
> They've finally, truly lost their minds, haven't they? They must feel very
> complacent with their monopoly to try something like this.
>
> Back-room deals, anyone?
I think they (MS) are flying a kite to gauge public and industry reaction.
They'll drop it like a hot brick if they think it'll adversely affect their
bottom line.
Peter
--
In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
------------------------------
From: Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:37:50 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wrote:
>> How do theists explain God?
> Stefan writes:
>> I'd like to know that too.. but they usually don't.
> Thus they multiply their hypotheses needlessly.
Actually, both are explained the same way.
When Moses asked God what his name was, God answered,
"I am". Some say, "I am that I am".
In other words God just is.
Materialist have the same answer when it comes to the
Universe. It just is.
It takes faith to beleive in God.
It also takes faith to believe the Universe is as appears
to the 5 senses.
Because of this it also takes great faith to not believe
( or believe not) in God.
Science and logic are a religion.
> --
> John Hasler
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dancing Horse Hill
> Elmwood, Wisconsin
--
=============================================================================
- Bob Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- http://www.fred.net/surenko/
=============================================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:41:51 GMT
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:48:31 +0000, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 64 bits operating systems are extreme overkill (have you any idea how
>> big 2^64
>> is?) for anything but corporate databases... *large* corporate
>> databases.
>
>32 bits are underkill. 64 bits is the next logical step.
>
>2x as wide bus, 2x as much data per clock cycle.
>
>IA64 runs IA32 code like a P100, so they really, really need a 64 bit
>OS in order to run at a decent speed.
The pentium already pushes aroun 64 bits at a time. The vax, another 32
bit machine, had a 128 memory bus.
You don't need 64 bit registers and a 64 bit ALU to have such a data bus.
--
Remove 'wakawaka' and 'invalid' to e-mail me. You can thank spammers for this
inconvenience.
I didn't do it! Nobody saw anything! You can't prove anything! -- bart
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:22:25 +0100
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
>
> Wouldn't it just be easier to get the crack?
>
> It's not designed to completely prevent piracy. Nothing can do that. But
> like ordinary locks, they're designed to keep honest people honest.
"designed to keep honest people honest"!
Well, if anyone has ever accused you of paranoia, at least we now know
where they got the idea.
Sheesh...
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
==============================
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From: "frecell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: All of linux in this site www.frecell.6go.net is the best site of linux
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:43:17 +0100
All of linux in this site www.frecell.6go.net is the best site of linux
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From: Nigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:46:59 +0000
> Affording has nothing to do with it....it's the annoyance factor.
>
Well - as most of his house runs on windows then there is already a
built-in annoyance factor anyway ( pass the crowbar darling the front door
has bluescreened again).
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,redhat.networking.general
Subject: Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:48:04 +0100
In comp.os.linux.misc Chris Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>I have RHat 7.0 installed on my IBM thinkpad and when I type
>> >>
>> >>% ifconfig eth0 (or eth1)
>> >>
>> >>it does not find the card. The card, a 3Com 10/100 PCI Mini Ethernet
>> >>adapter works properly when I boot Windows 2000 on the same laptop.
>>
>> What card? What are you talking about???? Laptops don't have "cards" in
>> the same way as desktops do. They have pcmcia sockets or cardbus
>> sockets.
> Hate for you to be the last person to find out, but they do now. It's
> called *miniPCI*. On my Dell C800 its a little card that plugs into the
So I have been informed (by mail)!
> bottom, it currently allows built in ethernet and modem. miniPCI is
> also used in docking stations. It is supported under linux.
Apparently these are mini PCI cards. As such, tehy work just like any
PCI card. Hooray. This years innovation.
Can one go round buying these things? I was just screwing up courage to
buy one of those usb video disk thingies that fit into walkmen or
something, to see if I could make it work like disk.
> To original poster:
> If you 'cat /proc/pci' does the minPCI and 3com show up?
One would hope it shows up as a normal pci device. Is there a
second bus (with a bridge to it) or is it just the cards that are mini?
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:01:01 -0000
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:56:13 +0100, Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:26:17 +0100, Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Tim Hanson wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mig wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Tim Hanson wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > It looks to me like simple competition, which _always_ benefits the
>> >> > > consumer.
>> >> >
>> >> > BS..... This is about KDE<->Ximian and not Gnome<->KDE.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ximian is a commercial entity that uses dirty tricks to sell their
>> >> > products - its as simple as that.
>> >> > --
>> >> > Cheers
>> >> This is the first time I've seen advertizing described as a dirty
>> >> trick.
>> >
>> >Its certainly not what we in Europe are used to. Why the heck should
>> >there be a link to Ximian when one searches for "TheKompany" or
>> >"TrollTech" or "KDE" ??
>>
>> Why? They are similar things. It is common to see similar things
>> organized together in an index not stored on a computer of some
>> kind. Although, that's a little more advanced than the typical
>> web search engine.
>
>It seems to be a differnece in culture. I find the Ximian aproach
>outrageos and quite disgusting - so did many others. After that was pointed
>out by the two KDE developers Ximian removed the links so it is a non
>issue.
>
>> Alternately, a particular gnome doodad might be further along
>> than the coresponding kde doodad or vice versa.
>
>This has absolutely nothing to do with KDE<->Gnome... its only about
>advertising methods used by Ximian.
Sure it does. Ximian is an alternative to KDE, some parts of
which might be more completely developed at this point.
These are interchangeable components here, not nitrogen
and glycerin.
Besides, without another good example of this practice it's
hard to really usefully evaluate the situation. The fact
that a chorus of whining came out of the KDE camp doesn't
really mean much.
--
The term "popular" is MEANINGLESS in consumer computing. DOS3
was more "popular" than contemporary Macintoshes despite the
likelihood that someone like you would pay the extra money to
not have to deal with DOS3.
Network effects are everything in computing.
|||
/ | \
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WindowsXP - Pay us to solve our bugs
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:05:17 +0000
Did I read this wrong or do you have to pay for beta software these
days?
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/preview/default.asp
What _is_ the world coming to?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: linux is dieing
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:07:08 -0000
On 14 Feb 2001 16:10:35 -0500, Joseph Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] () writes:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:05:12 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Bloody Viking wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Henry_Barta ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> : I don't have a UPS on this. If the battery in the laptop were
>> >> : any good, I wouldn't need one ;) Neither would I call ComEd
>> >> : reliable, but they've been good for weeks now.
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, but wait for summer. Anyways, it could be worse. You could be in
>> >> California with its Third World style problems from the lame laws.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Price controls ALWAYS lead to shortages.
>> >
>> >Ask anybody looking for an apartment in New York.
>>
>> This example is hardly definitive. There is a glaringly obvious
>> issue of demand being greater than supply in cities such as
>> New York. Price controls have NOTHING to do with it.
>>
>
>Actually, in most economics classes, this is indeed the definitive
>example. Your conclusion is only true if price controls have no effect
>on supply.
Also, those examples typically have the disclaimer "all else
being equal". All other things aren't equal. In general that
condition doesn't hold. Also, the price controls themselves
are merely a symptom of a larger root problem.
[deletia]
Also, if housing is priced out of your ability to pay it
doesn't really matter if the shortage is due to market
pressures or some rent-control bogeyman.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Microsoft plans lend further aid to open source OSes
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:08:46 -0000
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:04:07 +0000 (UTC), Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Nigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:>
>:> I stopped running windows altogether when I bought a dreamcast.
>:>
>
>: You mean that sega console that runs on Windows CE - if you think you have
>: escaped windows then think again (at least until you get the playstation2 as
>: games for this are mostly developed on linux).
>
>Uh, no. The OS of any particular Dreamcast game is included on the
>GD-ROM along with the code. So, while the Dreamcast does have "Windows CE"
>emblazoned on the front, only a small few of the hundreds of Dreamcast
>games actually use it. Most use Sega's "Shinobi" OS (IIRC) and are
>Microsoft-free - if that's important to you.
Or put another way: Console game developers need to squeeze every
ounce of performance they can out of the hardware. ANYthing that
gets in their way is a competitive disadvantage.
That and you can run Linux or FreeBSD on that Dreamcast too.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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