Linux-Advocacy Digest #194, Volume #35 Wed, 13 Jun 01 16:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: Redhat video problems. (flatfish+++)
Re: Redhat video problems. (flatfish+++)
Re: More funny stuff. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Windows makes good coasters
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Redhat video problems. ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: A Browser is a Browser (Peter Hayes)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Why should an OS cost money? (Form@C)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Stuart Fox")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Getting used to Linux ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Stuart Fox")
Re: IBM Goes Gay ("Stuart Fox")
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:05:04 GMT
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Thaddius Maximus wrote:
> >
> > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > >
> > > "The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
in
> > > message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > [1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
> > > > an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
> > >
> > > Not impressive, people had done more with less beforehand.
> > >
> > > > [4] First man on the moon.
> > >
> > > And nothing significant ever since.
> > >
> >
> > Are you serious? Nothing ever since??? Where have you been, boy!
> > Sheezh man, the US has flown probes by the rings of Saturan, flown
> > by Jupiter's moons, have landed on Mars, and are building and funding
> > most all of the next generation space station.
> >
> > The USA also flies in and out of space with reusable space shuttles.
> > We are the ONLY country with resusable space craft.
> >
> > > The whole race to the moon was the biggest, stupidest, most wasteful
PR
> > > campain that has ever taken place in human history.
> > > A lot of good things came out of it, but to do it for freaking *PR*?
> >
> > You just stated that the first man on the moon was significant and now
> > you are saying that it was stupid. Make up your mind, boy.
> >
> > ....
>
> I wonder how come we never made any more missions to the moon??
>
The all mighty dollar stopped more trips to the moon, it was planned to
have 12 trips, but it very expensive to send men to the moon. The USA
beat the USSR and that was the main point, anyway. The Japanese are send
a probe to the moon next year, I believe.
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From: flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat video problems.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:09:22 GMT
On 13 Jun 2001 11:11:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
wrote:
>He said that he tried your advice, but later said that
>the link didnt work, and you have just supplied the correct link.
The first link worked.
The advice at the link didn't work.
The second link didn't work.
Removing the "s" from laptop(s) made it work.
The advice still doesn't work and in fact I included all the config
editing necessary to attempt to make it work.
>Anyone still in doubt re Flatties sincerity ?
Anyone still doubt that you can't read?
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From: flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat video problems.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:10:58 GMT
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:33:51 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>And installing X is SO difficult. Never mind that I managed to install
>it manually from scratch, having never used, never mind installed
>linux at all before.
Installing X is easy.
Configuring it easy, when it works.
In this case it doesn't work.
>>Hitting those keys when all that is displayed is a bright white screen
>>does nothing.
>
>You must be going wrong somewhere. When I launch X it's that grey
>knobbled background thing.
I'm simply selecting the exact same monitor/refresh rate and mode I
did with Redhat and while it works with RedHat is doesn't with the
others.
So?
flatfish+++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More funny stuff.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:10:57 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Peter Hayes"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:33:58 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:16:30 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> (Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:41:21 +1200, "Matthew Gardiner"
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/index.html BOFH, home grown
>> >> humour in godzone (aka New Zealand).
>> >
>> >No, cobber, godzone is Scotland - and getting better every year now
>> >that global warming is sending the worst of the weather to England...
>>
>> What? All the best weather is coming to England. It was sunny all last
>> month.
>
> I seem to remember an autumn of floods, followed by a winter of
> floods...
Well, the weather is always random due to being on an island. Right now,
where I am, it is very pleasant and I'm annoyed being cooped up inside
working :-( still, only 2 days left!
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:12:09 GMT
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:33:53 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:28:38 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ()) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:05:17 -0400, JS \\ PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>> What if the modem drivers were on the same disk!
>>>
>>>Then you kick yourself in the ass and buy a new modem. If your you lose the
>>>modem money walking to the store, you kick yourself in the ass again. In all
>>>above examples you can only blame....you. You 12 year olds always seem to
>>>think your own mistakes are someone elses fault.
>>
>>Especially if you're too fucking stupid to figure out how to download the
>>driver(s) on a PC with a working network connection.
>
>I was talking about a situation where the modem drivers are NOT THERE.
If you're not using a winmodem (ie: brain dead piece of crap), they use the
hayes command set.
Otherwise you should get a modem where the designers aren't in bed with
microsoft.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:16:20 +0100
>>>>> there is a decision to be made here?
>>>>
>>>>No. The hard copy is far superior, if you can afford it.
>>>
>>> No, it's not.
>>
>>It is in some ways. Print is much easier to read than a computer screen
>>due having a much higher resoulution and contrast. Also,
>
> I wouldn't be so sure. It's easier to read from a screen than to have a
> collection of giant books strewn about the place.
>>the print quailty from an expensive book is liable to be much higher
>>than the print quality you could get out of any printer you are likely
>>to be able to afford / have room for.
>
> I doubt many people would want to print off an entire encyclopedia.
> Also, I like reading off the monitor. They're are no problems with
> shadows/lighting etc, and you can set your own font/size. Also, you can
> copy/paste text.
I find books easier. Even with a very expensive moniter, bright light can
be a problem. Also, if your text is well typeset at 2400dpi, the need to
change the font size is reduced somewhat. The things I find easier are
the much higher resoultion (better typesetting, much sharper fonts),
higher contrast (makes shadows a limited problem except in bright light).
You can also pick up the book and go and sit in a comfy chair which is
not easy to do with my computer.
Copyiung/pasting mabey of some use, but it would be best to have both,
since the price of a CD is so cheap, they should give one away with the
printed version.
You may not agree, but many people do, which is why books aren't going
anywhere soon.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat video problems.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:19:23 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Terry Porter"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:31:12 +0200, Mart van de Wege
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "flatfish+++"
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:45:05 +0200, "Mart van de Wege"
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>www.linux-laptops.net
>>
>> Ooops, that should be www.linux-laptop.net
>
> Which just goes to show that Flatty was lying as usual!
>
> He said that he tried your advice, but later said that the link didnt
> work, and you have just supplied the correct link.
>
> Anyone still in doubt re Flatties sincerity ?
>
>
Uh no sorry Terry,
The superfluous s in the above quote was inadvertently added by me,
unless you were thinking of something else?
I must admit though that flattie changes his/her tune so often, I am a
bit confused. At least he/she has better manners than some trolls (J.J.
or C.M. come to mind)
Mart
--
Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil,
Going with the flow, it's all the same to me,
Seven or Eleven, snake eyes watching you,
Double up or quit, double stake or split, The Ace Of Spades
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:25:55 +0100
> Top posting is really annoying.
>
> I'm still flabbergasted that you haven't figured out how to do a
> multiple delete.
>
> Click an email, hold SHIFT, click another email 15 emails away (or more,
> or less). hit the DEL key. It's THAT simple. I do it every day. I've
> done it with 2 emails, I've done it with >1000 emails. It works every
> time. It worked in OL97, it works in OL2000.
What has top posting got to do with deleting posts? Or are you refering
to posting at the top of the group instead of following the threading? If
this is the case than I have to inform you that your threading is broken
since it appears in the right post here :-(
BTW instead of deleting posts, you could try a newsreader which only
displays threads with unread posts in them. That way the threading is
never broken. Since it seems you have a Sun lying aroung, might I suggest
you give Pan a go?
0.9.2 is a bit unstable, but not unstable enough to have made me bother
upgrading and the newer versions are quite a bit more stable (so i'm
told).
-Ed
> I don't know what you're smoking, but it must be really bad stuff.
>
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Browser is a Browser
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:26:18 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:48:53 +0200, "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "David Dorward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9ftspo$kal$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > It seems that on Sat, 09 Jun 2001 13:47:39 +0100, someone claiming to be
> > "Ian Pulsford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed this:
> >
> > > How can we stop this crap in its tracks?
> >
> > <?PSUDOCODE
> >
> > If Internet Explorer 6
> >
> > {
> >
> > redirect to page explaining why it is banned from
> > the website.
>
> Oh, *sure*, deny your site from 86% of the population.
> Yeah, right!
Well of course most of the population won't install IE6 for some time, if at
all.
So there won't be many users to deter, and by the time IE6 arrives in
quantity with the new installs and those that install from cover CDs, the
message will be out there loud and clear.
Whether Microsoft listen is another matter.
I wonder if Microsoft will flood us with IE6 disks, like AOL does. If we are
then it's a sure sign of underhand goings-on at Redmond.
Peter
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:28:44 -0700
Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > Edward Rosten wrote:
> > >
> > > > The first thing that Americans are proud of is their proper use of the
> > > > word 'there'. The second thing that we Americans are proud of is both
> > >
> > > Spelling flames are the lowest form of flame.
> > >
> > > > our level of education and the fact that we pay for our own education.
> > >
> > > Is that something to be proud of? I don't see how either way.
> > >
> > > > Americans learn a sense of accomplishment and independence at an early
> > > > age.
> > >
> > > Through their parents paying for education? How does that teach
> > > independence?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Unlike your country, we Americans do not feel the need to have our
> > > > government take the majority of our income and then dole it back out to
> > > > us as seen fit.
> > >
> > > maximum of 40% is not a majority.
> > >
> > > > Most all medical programs in Eurpoe are a complete disaster. The NHS
> > > > in the UK should be disbanded immediately.
> > >
> > > Well, I'm glad you don't live here, because I do not want to see the NHS
> > > disappearing any time. I think it is a quite amazing service and
> > > something we should be proud of.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Nowhere in the world does an individual have a greater chance of success
> > > > building a small business than in the USA. No other nation on Earth
> > > > puts more money into research and development than the USA.
> > >
> > > Do you have any evidence to back this up, or are you just spouting?
> > >
> > > > Without the USA, mother Russia would have gobbled up most all of Europe
> > > > long ago.
> > >
> > > Without mother Russia, the Nazia would have gobbled up the "land of the
> > > free" long ago.
> > >
> >
> > Thats true. If I recall it was in the civil war that Russia sent over a
> > fleet that stopped England and France from picking up the pieces.
>
> What's true? Are you suggesting that America was saved because of
> Russia???
>
Yes. Back during the Civil War England was up North in Canada waiting in
the wings, to the South France was waiting in the wings, all waiting to
pick up the pieces and invade.
Russia sent over a large fleet and sort of changed their minds about
it. Go do some historical research,.... and you won't find it in you
high school history books either.
Those books are pretty much trash now. Current high school history
books don't even jive up with the 60's high school history books.
> First off, the Nazis didn't kill 20 million Russians. Stalin killed
> 20 million Russians by leaving them out in the freezing elements
> without supplies for extended periods of time.
>
The part is out of context with the American Civil war.
> Nazi Germany and Japan needed petro and that petro came from the east
> indies region of the world where American military was in full force.
>
> America had Germany both by power and by strategic positioning.
>
> Europe can thank the good ol' USofA for saving the world!
>
> End of story!
The story is still running,... and it never will really end.
--
V
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Subject: Re: Why should an OS cost money?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Form@C)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:25:55 GMT
"Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
news:9ft0sj$50a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
<snip>
> None of them have made any money yet, it's only a matter of time before
> they go under. Until they come up with a viable business model, they
<snip>
Ah, but what happens to Linux if they do go under? Suppose *all*
"commercial" Linux distro companies disappear, what happens? Nothing. Linux
carries on being developed just like it did before the distro companies
turned up. Development of open-source software doesn't depend on anyone
making money from it - in fact, sometimes people making money appears to
slow down the development!
What happens if Microsoft goes bust? Unless a buyer moves in, that is the
end of Windows, NT etc. simply because the source hasn't been released.
(damn - I'm starting to sound like a "Linux Evangelist" now, and I don't
even use it much!)
--
Mick
Olde Nascom Computers - http://www.mixtel.co.uk
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:30:54 -0700
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> > What's true? Are you suggesting that America was saved because of
> > Russia???
> >
> > First off, the Nazis didn't kill 20 million Russians. Stalin killed
> > 20 million Russians by leaving them out in the freezing elements
> > without supplies for extended periods of time.
> >
> > Nazi Germany and Japan needed petro and that petro came from the east
> > indies region of the world where American military was in full force.
> >
> > America had Germany both by power and by strategic positioning.
> >
> > Europe can thank the good ol' USofA for saving the world!
> >
> > End of story!
>
> Ask any ANZAC who were the biggest whiners and complainers in the second
> world war. The US didnot save the world actually, so pull your head in and
> re-read history without all the pro-US propaganda.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
You overlook one important point there Matthew... after WWII was over
with most of the industrialized world was in shambles. The U.S. was the
only remaining industrial force left. Every man and woman in the 1950's
could easily get a job without a hassle. Not like today. If there were
no WWII we would still be down in the dumps.
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:32:08 +1200
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Enter Netcraft; but every time someone brings it up, the Windows
> advocates stick their heads in a hole somewhere.
The Netcraft figures are probably accurate, but they only reflect the
internet server space. Other figures probably count things like servers
purchased for internal use as well, which is why the figures may seem
skewed.
It's probably something like "linux has good market penetration in the
internet server space, but for internal environments, Windows & Novell
lead"?
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:33:20 -0700
Quantum Leaper wrote:
>
> "drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:48:49 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ("Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> > >"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:9g3e80$bj6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >> > The internet isn't significant?
> > >>
> > >> I was talking about significant in space exploration terms.
> > >>
> > >Viking, Pioneer, Voyager, International Space Station, and all the
> > >other probes, nothing significant, your must be right.... (sarcasm)
> > >The US switched from very expansive maned space program to an unmaned
> > >program, which was cheaper. Also the budget for NASA has been cut and
> cut
> > >and cut over the years, so they have to make due on alot less money.
> Even
> > >though the technology that has come out of the space program, could have
> > >paid for it 10 fold.
> > >If it was so easy to send men into space, why has anyone but USSR
> (Russia)
> > >and the USA sent men into space?
> >
> > What's the point? Other countries realise there are more important
> > things to spend money on.
>
> Spend a $1 now and get $10 back in the future, and thats the low estimate
> of the return from NASA. I guess the Dutch would rather spend money on
> tulips....
Nah,.. they're too busy patching their dikes.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:34:17 -0700
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:25:04 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>
> >> The USA also flies in and out of space with reusable space shuttles.
> >> We are the ONLY country with resusable space craft.
> >>
> >> > The whole race to the moon was the biggest, stupidest, most wasteful PR
> >> > campain that has ever taken place in human history.
> >> > A lot of good things came out of it, but to do it for freaking *PR*?
> >>
> >> You just stated that the first man on the moon was significant and now
> >> you are saying that it was stupid. Make up your mind, boy.
> >>
> >> ....
> >
> >I wonder how come we never made any more missions to the moon??
>
> Because there was no point?
Well, they sure went there a lot and all of a sudden they quit. Makes
one wonder what really happened, besides public laxity.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:35:14 -0700
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:07:25 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> >Typical Dutch attitude. Blame someone else for all the world's
> >> >problems.
> >>
> >> How is starvation a Dutch problem?
> >>
> >Starvation is EVERONES problem, you can tell just one country to fix the
> >worlds problem, it doesn't work. We all have to fix the problem, atleast
> >the USA is trying unlike some people, it seems....
>
> Trying? How the fuck are they trying?
>
> >> >Sounds like a severe case of jealously, to me. (Gee, I wonder if
> >> >he'll deny it.)
> >>
> >> Yes, I'm jealous that I don't hoard up food and resources whilst
> >> children starve to death.
> >
> >I don't see you helping,
>
> Actually I am.
How?
>
> >the USA can only do so much and yes the USA does
> >aid in feed the hungry around the world, be we can't be everywhere....
>
> No they don't.
--
V
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:37:08 +0200
In article <9g76m2$s75$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> It was very crude (fvwm sucks rocks compared to NeXT Step or
>> Workbench),
>
> Ha! Shows how much *you* know.
>
> FVWM is the ONE TRUE WINDOW MAGAGER anything else is the spawn of satan,
> pure and simple, much like vi nd emacs.
^^^^^^ ^^^^^
>
> -Ed
>
>
>
Uh Ed, old chap? What have they been putting in your beer lately?
Mart (Emacs user and proud of it)
--
Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil,
Going with the flow, it's all the same to me,
Seven or Eleven, snake eyes watching you,
Double up or quit, double stake or split, The Ace Of Spades
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:42:13 +1200
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g673u$688$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> What I would actually like to see is PDF replace all proprietary document
> formats, so there is one, universal document format that will work on
every
> platform, every office suite, no matter who makes it.
>
PDF **is** a proprietary format. It's owned by Adobe. It's no less
proprietary than DOC or XLS.
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:43:21 +1200
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g60qb$218$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Its not a Europe vs. US argument, its a reality check. Here in New
Zealand
> for example, no body gives a toss if you are gay/bi/tri/uni/trans.
However,
> an easy way to put it is in the words of Monty Python, at the end of "The
> Meaning of Life: Scene, Death".
Bullshit Matthew, and you know it. Just look at the fuss every year with
the Hero parade.
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