Linux-Advocacy Digest #254, Volume #32 Sat, 17 Feb 01 01:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Interesting article (Charlie Ebert)
Re: I will give MS credit for one thing (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Interesting article ("Todd")
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 05:42:27 GMT
In article <96kp45$6d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bloody Viking wrote:
>
>Todd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>: As a Windows 2000 advocate, I'd have to agree that MS is going to kill
>: themselves if they forge ahead with .NET.
>
>: What the hell are they thinking? I hope they don't really think people are
>: going to buy into their plan... it might make even diehard windows users
>: change...
>
Actually a group of people cornered me at work over in another department
and they started poking fun at my being a Linux user, my opinions, my
comments, so-on so-forth. Their motivation was to rub in the idea that
this court ordered breakup would not happen for Microsoft.
I hadn't developed any feelings for this issue other than they had been
convicted and I told them that if you had a murderer convicted of a crime
,by their reasoning, we should just let the bastard go free. I explained
this wasn't going to be a trial nor appeal but an attempt to get the sentence
changed as they were already convicted of the crime.
It never really sank in with them.
I left this encounter, not really feeling like I got my ass chewed but rather
wondering about the entire matter. I felt that if Microsoft wasn't broken
up then the competition from Linux would indeed eventually destroy them
and I posted a prediction of 2005 for that event based on what I knew of
the marketplace at that time.
My prediction has not waivered in that time and I still think 2005 is
the approximate time where Microsoft will loose it's king of the hill
status to Linux.
I had considered the court and Linux influences on the situation and
*NEVER* gave a second thought about Microsoft internal actions. I really
didn't feel Microsoft would have any reason to change their business strategy.
It wasn't necessary for them to change their business strategy.
But Microsoft took this court ordered breakup possibility very seriously.
They created .NET so that if the OS was ever seperated from the Applications
.NET would keep the OS and Application layers together anyway. It would
also eliminate the copyright infringement problems they were experiencing
in the workplace.
I *NEVER* considered Microsofts own internal actions of creating .NET and
it's impact on the health of Microsoft at large.
When I look at .NET now I feel Microsoft has over-reacted and indeed set
the company on a course of destruction. Business's are not going to allow
this day to day intrusion in their lives by Microsoft. They don't want
the threat of a lawsuit hanging on the second by second actions of their
employee's without any way of controlling .NET's functions.
Without .NET you have no functionality under this new gameplan yet there
is no CONTROL of how .NET serves the business.
And of course, there is the new campaign to attack all open source software,
especially Linux, by using their political infuence within the Federal
Government. This action is extremely disasterous for them. It looks bad
in the eyes of the general public for a software giant to whine and demand
special laws passed to stop an operating system known as Linux which has
less than 3% of the overall market,,, whining and complaining that Linux
will be their deaths. It's clearly insanity.
Or is it.... One of the basic problems with Linux is nobody has any clue
as to the latests installed base. All we know is how many hackers are
working on the code. We don't have any idea of where it's being used and
by how many people as Linux generally isn't sold, it's downloaded for free.
The residential Windows customers will be the first ones to leave and
the home PC industry will begin to die as they will simply loose interest
in the internet and PC's. They will not be converting to Linux soon.
There will be a slight increase in home appliance useage but home appliances
will not fill the void until 2008-2009.
30% of Microsoft's business base will be completely sheered off leaving
Microsoft with a cash shortage to pay dividends. Their return on investment
will be diminished due to decreased customer base and by and large this
will all be due to .NET actions and not Linux competition.
And then we STILL have the court ordered breakup hanging over us and
we don't know if the final judgement will even allow .NET to exist.
--
Charlie
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:45:33 -0500
Shane Phelps wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > Tim Hanson wrote:
> > >
> > > It all comes back to Gates. It's his company, regardless of
> > > title-of-the-month. I suppose the damning thing about him is that he's
> > > amoral.
> >
> > Just one well-directed 155-grain piece of copper-sheathed lead can
> > change all of that.
> >
>
> There are a lot of people who deserve it more than Bill G, and I would
> hesitate to use that remedy on them, too.
>
> That one was over the top, even for you, Aaron. Back off a bit. Chill out,
> take a couple of deep breaths, sit down, have a few beers, go kick the
> dog or something.
Personally, I think a Marine Expeditionary Brigade, 2 Marine
Air Wings, and a couple of Iowa-Class battleships should use
the Redmond, Washington campus of Microsoft as a live-fire
training ground.
but that's just me.
> > >
> > > --
> [ sigsnip ]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:46:50 -0500
Shane Phelps wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > Tim Hanson wrote:
> > >
> > > It all comes back to Gates. It's his company, regardless of
> > > title-of-the-month. I suppose the damning thing about him is that he's
> > > amoral.
> >
> > Just one well-directed 155-grain piece of copper-sheathed lead can
> > change all of that.
> >
>
> There are a lot of people who deserve it more than Bill G, and I would
> hesitate to use that remedy on them, too.
How many lives have been ruined by this man's criminal behavior,
and that of his organized crime syndicate known as Microsoft?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 05:47:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>
>Steve Mading wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> : No, really, I want to know.
>>
>> : When it's good for Linux, Linux is Unix. When it's bad for Linux,
>> : Linux isn't Unix.
>>
>> Bull. There are many Unixen, of which Linux is one in every
>> way except the legal trademark way. This is very simple, and
>> very consistent. When speaking on technical issues, Linux is
>> one of the Unixes. When speaking on legal or corporate issues,
>> (trademark discussions, or discussing how "unix companies" tend
>> to act) it is not.
>>
>> Now, speaking on technical issues, both statements: "Linux is Unix"
>> and "Linux is not UNIX" don't really fit 100%. UNIX is a set of
>> OSes, ONE of which is Linux. Niether sentence tells the whole
>> story. You are comparing a set to a scalar. This might be why
>> you are confused on this very simple issue. That's why
>> I was careful to phrase it as "Linux is ONE OF THE Unixen".
>> But English is a sloppy language, where it is *sometimes* acceptable
>> to say "A is B" when you really mean "A is a subset of B"
>> (Example, "a bannana is fruit". This is because nouns sometimes
>> are treated like objects and sometimes like classes, depending
>> on context. UNIX is such a noun.)
>
>Actually, a better way to put it is:
>
> ------ ------
> / | | |X - - \
> / | | |/+\- - - \
> / | | |/+ +\- - - \
> / | | |/+ + +\- - - \
> / | | |/+ + + +\- - - \
> | | | ||+ Linux +|- - - |
> | Linux| + & + | Unix |
> | | | ||+ Unix+ +|- - - |
> \ | | |\+ + + +/- - - /
> \ | | |\+ + +/- - - /
> \ | | |\+ +/- - - /
> \ | | |\+/- - - /
> \ | | |X- - - /
> ----- ------
>
MR KULKIS! FOR CHRIST SAKES!@
CHILDREN MAY BE READING THIS NEWSGROUP!
TAKE THIS OBSCENE PICTURE OFF OF HERE PLEASE!!!
>Except that the relative size of the "+" field is HUGE
>and the size of the "-" and "|" fields are very small (about
>1 to 2 orders of magnitude smaller than "+"
>
>
>
>
>>
>> : I wish you guys would make up your mind and stick to something,
>> : because it really just makes you look like idiots. But then,
>> : we always knew that, I guess.
>>
>> Speaking in the royal "we", are "we", Chad?
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I will give MS credit for one thing
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:49:28 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >>
> >> pip wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I beg to differ kind sir. I think that the problem
> >> > with M$ is that any programmer who is any good gets
> >> > promoted to not doing coding - therefore they always
> >> > have more junior programmers coding. This is a _real_
> >> > problem as I think the culture may be stock + management = power.
> >>
> >> Doesn't make sense...because if decent programmers were in
> >> positions of power, the platform wouldn't be the fucking
> >> mess of spaghetti that it is.
> >
> > I can count on one hand the number of good programmers I know
> > who are also good managers. IMHO they are incompatible professions
> > except for the truly gifted. Most (excuse the use of generalities)
> > don't touch code again as it is now "below them", confining themselves
> > to design documents, long drwn-out meetings, uml diagrams and powerpoint
> > presentations to more senior management.
> > Cynical, me?
>
> This is so true in europe. If you want to advance your career the only
> options are to accept promotion to a management position or to become
> a consultant. In over 20 years as a software engineer most of my
> managers have been ex-software engineers and as managers they were mostly
> useless. I thought it was different in the US. Isn't it possible for an
> engineer to earn more than his manager?
Lately, it's starting to come true over here...but, that's the
only way they can keep the top-notch people from going the
consulting route.
Personally, I prefer consulting precisely for this reason.
A lot of managers can pay me at rates far in excess of what
they could if I was one of their employees.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 05:50:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>
>Robert Surenko wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc Ian Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > It's possible that Christ existed, in fact I think there's more evidence than
>> > just the bible to suggest that. Nothing though suggests he was anything more
>> > than a jewish revolutionary who spoke out against the Romans. In fact there
>> > was some more evidence about that discovered recently, the subject of an
>> > interesting documentary called "the real jesus christ". It put everything in a
>> > historical perspective and made a lot of sense. About how Paul used the death
>> > of Jesus to create a religion, and hid the real man behind stories of
>> > miracles etc. Very interesting stuff and lots of political intrigue and
>> > infighting.
>>
>> Yes, it is possible to believe a event happened in the past...even
>> if the event can't be repeated.
>>
>> That's why Materialism is hopelessly flawed. We all know that JFK
>> was shot, but can't repeat the experiment. How do we go about
>> proving a historical event.
>
>Zapruder film.
>Autopsy.
>Funeral.
>
>Case closed.
>
For a country which invented atomic weapons and put a man on the moon,
this investigation of JFK's was just like a county paid pine box burial.
JFK put the world close to nuclear war and this was *THEIR* answer
for JFK. That's what I believe.
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
--
Charlie
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:53:56 +0800
"Peter K�hlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Steve Mading wrote:
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > : No, really, what has changed dramatically in Unix in the
> > : last 10 years?
> >
> > : We still use telnet
> >
> > Never heard of ssh?
> >
> No, Chad has not heard of ssh, because windows hasn`t got any.
> W2K has telnet, and a real crappy one to boot.
Actually, W2k has rcmd... a more secured version of telnet. NT/W2k has had
rcmd and rcmdsvr for quite some time... one reason that NT lacked a telnet
server. It just wasn't needed in a Windows only environment.
-Todd
> Anyone can just
> deny anyone else to telnet to that machine.
> But who would expect MS to build something that actually works?
>
> Peter
>
>
> --
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 05:56:32 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>
>Charlie Ebert wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Charlie Ebert wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Charlie Ebert wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Marten Kemp wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>> >> >> >> <<snip>>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > When you compare the development cycle between Intel and AMD,
>> >> >> >> > AMD is not hindered by secret contracts with Microsoft.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > If anything, you will hear a slosh in the boots of Intel as they
>> >> >> >> > walk away from the next encounter from AMD.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > If I was the president of Intel, I would tell MS to just fuck off.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> > Charlie
>> >> >> >> What secret contracts? Special opcodes they only tell Microsoft about?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >MS tells them what opcodes they want Intel to implement....or something.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Oh please gentlemen!
>> >> >
>> >> >it's a joke, Charlie....
>> >> >laugh a little.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Are you telling me that nobody is aware of the 64 bit Intel processor
>> >> >> used in the HP-9000 series? It's been on the road for along time now.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's the same damn chip. But it's available ONLY for mainframe use.
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm well aware of this.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You mean to tell me you guys didn't know that?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They are under contract to sit on this chip until Microsoft get's finished
>> >> >> working the bugs out of their 64 bit code.
>> >> >
>> >> >That's the secret contract referred to above...
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Go call an HP rep and ask him what kind of CPU is used in an HP-9000
>> >> >> mainframe computer.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> -- Marten Kemp
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >Aaron R. Kulkis
>> >> >> >Unix Systems Engineer
>> >> >> >DNRC Minister of all I survey
>> >> >> >ICQ # 3056642
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Charlie
>> >> >>
>> >> >> **DEBIAN** **GNU**
>> >> >> / / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
>> >> >> / /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
>> >> >> /_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
>> >> >> http://www.debian.org
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Aaron R. Kulkis
>> >> >Unix Systems Engineer
>> >> >DNRC Minister of all I survey
>> >> >ICQ # 3056642
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I knew *YOU* knew about this AK.
>> >>
>> >> But what of the rest of them.
>> >>
>> >> Do *THEY* know that all HP customers are
>> >> signing non-disclosure agreements to cover
>> >> this fact up????
>> >>
>> >> Do I give a shit! NO.
>> >>
>> >> But this is absolutely true. Intel has
>> >> a pac with Microsoft so Microsoft has time
>> >> to finish up it's 64 bit OS before Intel's
>> >> chip hit's market.
>> >>
>> >> A chip which was largely designed by HP.
>> >>
>> >> And BTW, HP contributed greately to the Linux
>> >> 64 bit kernel which was actually READY BEFORE
>> >> the HP-9000's ever started using this processor.
>> >>
>> >> And one more FYI. There *IS* a very good possibilty
>> >> that HP-UX will be penguified in a couple of years.
>> >
>> >Why not. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than maintaining HP-UX.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> This is mere speculation, but this reasoning is VERY GOOD...
>>
>
>My bet is that within 5 years, it will be impossible for even the
>commercial Unixes to compete with Linux.
>
>Sun, HP, IBM, even SGI will all standardize on Linux, and
>will be reduced to selling cutting-edge extensions to the
>OS (i.e. the way Logical Volume Managers were considered to
>be an extra-layer on top of standard Unix 8 years ago).
>
>
I totally agree. UNIX will begin to evolve again and these competitors
will stop re-inventing the wheel with every release. We will all
begin to see an experience real technological innovations for a change.
The decade of the 70's is returning.
>
>
>> --
>> Charlie
>>
>> **DEBIAN** **GNU**
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>> http://www.debian.org
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
--
Charlie
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:56:56 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Flacco wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > The market will speak on this. MS can't force people.
> >> >>
> >> >> ...unless they manage to outlaw open source software.
> >>
> >> > That's impossible in the US.
> >>
> >> > First Amendment.
> >>
> >> McCarthy hearings.
> >>
> >> Not only is it possible, but it has happened, is happening,
> >> and will happen again.
> >
> >McCarthy never abridged free speech.
> >
> >By the way...not only was McCarthy right about communist
> >infiltration of the State Department....he under-stated
> >the problem by nearly an order of magnitude.
> >
>
> Now that we have the KGB records this is true.
>
> But the people he went after were the wrong people.
The people he went after would have suffered not in the least
if they had merely turned states' evidence and simply turned
in the deeply burrowed traitors and moles.
They knew names, but refused to reveal them.
However, they thought preserving their ideology was more important
than loyalty to their fellow citizens, and the very Constitution
which keeps them free.
So the suffered for it.
Personally, I wish they had suffered even more devestating
repercussions.
Treason is bad enough. Treason for the purpose of replacing
freedom with tyranny is absolutely inexcusable.
>
> >
> >>
> >> -----.
> >
> >--
> >Aaron R. Kulkis
> >Unix Systems Engineer
> >DNRC Minister of all I survey
> >ICQ # 3056642
> >
> >
> >H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> >I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> >J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> >A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
> >
> >B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> >C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> >D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > ...despite (C) above.
> >
> >E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > her behavior improves.
> >
> >F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> >G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> --
> Charlie
>
> **DEBIAN** **GNU**
> / / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
> / /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
> /_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
> http://www.debian.org
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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