Linux-Advocacy Digest #267, Volume #32 Sat, 17 Feb 01 14:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control) ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: It's just too easy (Jim Broughton)
Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux and QA (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Windows ME doesn't BSOD on me (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Politics (was Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Peter Hayes)
Re: SGI XFS Installation Update (Peter Hayes)
Re: My Win2k Network Nightmare!!!!!! (Ray Chason)
Re: It's just too easy (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Which Linux? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Hmm interesting quote from Kulkis on alt.support.depression (Ray Chason)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:58:34 GMT
Said Pete Goodwin in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:52:21
>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>You're mistaken; I have proof you are lying. It convinced me, and
>>therefore its proof.
>
>Where is this proof then? Merely saying you have proof doesn't mean it
>exists.
It was on the subject line. ;-)
>>>OK, so you would rate "usability" as a tired pile of bullshit, right?
>>>Let me see you sell that to the public.
>>
>>No, its just that printing isn't really a problem.
>
>Twisty.
>
>I was talking about a reasonable assumption, how far off topic would you
>like to stray.
We right on topic; it doesn't matter how many times you repeat that it
was a "reasonable assumption", you obviously don't know what that means.
You made an assumption, which turned out to be wrong. Whether *other*
people consider it 'reasonable' is all that matters; what you have to
declare on the subject is less than nothing. Unless, of course, the
word "reasonable" doesn't have any meaning for you, which I'm beginning
to suspect is the case.
[...]
>>No; it resolves to understanding the meaning of the concept
>>"reasonable". What do you suppose that means, to be "reasonable", Pete?
>
>It means when I see the installation ask me for what kind of printer I
>have, and I answer Epson, I expect the rest of the system to follow that
>setting. Seems reasonable enough to me.
Well, consider that we know for a fact that its not true. Does it still
seem "reasonable"? To believe something that is not true, merely
because you are ignorant to the point of error; is that reasonable?
> You, on the other hand, want
>"reasonable" to include the incorrect default of The Gimp.
I wouldn't call it reasonable to consider a Linux box a Mac; you seem to
think that is reasonable. As for whether the default is 'incorrect',
that's more softheaded thinking, I'd say, on your part.
>>>Ah, you're dogma is creeping in. Take a step back, and ask yourself a
>>>simple question. If a reasonable person is told at installation time
>>>that he is configuring a printer, would this reasonably person not be
>>>right in then assuming that anything else from then on would use this
>>>printer in the way it was configured?
>>
>>No.
>
>Then what a daft system!
You expect I'll be insulted because you don't like Linux and would
prefer a Macintosh?
>>>It has nothing to do with Windows. It has to do with usability. And
>>>right now, Windows is winning on the usability front, and Linux is
>>>coming a poor second.
>>
>>Yes, it is. We've been over this before; perhaps you weren't paying
>>attention. If your contention is that Linux is not as easy for an
>>arbitrary user to master, then you are correct. That isn't the issue,
>>though. The issue is which is a better system, and Linux is a much
>>better system. Now all we need is for Microsoft to stop stifling
>>development and innovation by monopolizing, and there'll be plenty of
>>such "polish", due to the cut-throat nature of a competitive market.
>
>The issue is about what is reasonable. As usual, you're trying to twist it
>away from that onto your favourite topic, your "dogma".
You're a troll, silly. That's not "dogma"; that's facts.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:15:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Bloody Viking in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 17 Feb 2001 03:38:06
> [...]
>>Happily, nowadays, anyone with some money (not THAT much) can buy the
>>equivalent of a Cray 1 in the form of a DEC Alpha and have Linux on it. Modern
>>Pentiums are even better, particularly on multichip motherboards. Get a gig of
>>memory and outfit with wide SCSI and you have an old Cray. I have half a cray
>>waitiog to be started.
>
>Five or ten $300 computers in a cluster would be even more powerful,
>that's the beauty of it. When do you suppose that will be backyard
>technology?
>
Want to download it today ?
http://www.vnunet.com/News/1115544
Or if you don't want commercial, try Oak Ridge National Laboratory:
They even have a picture of one of their clusters.
http://stonesoup.esd.ornl.gov/
My impression of the ORNL stuff is that it takes extra work to "file
off the rough edges". You would probably prefer OSCAR:
http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/01/25/2330211&mode=nocomment
"OSCAR was the first volley," he says. "So now we're looking at where
can we go to make clusters easier, where can we go to make them
more scalable, what other tools can we offer?
"OSCAR and the Open Cluster Group is not something we plan to do this
year and then throw it away and the Web links go stale."
The developer's version of OSCAR supports Linux clusters using Intel
IA-32 processors. The full release of OSCAR will also support Intel's
new Itanium processor after summer 2001.
While NCSA's Green thinks individual interest in OSCAR may be limited
at the moment, she points to her organization's development in 1993 of
Mosaic, an early Web browser that introduced the Internet to a general
audience. OSCAR could do the same for supercomputing.
I have reference to several of the "500 Largest" supercomputers
being clusters of Linux machines but only one NT cluster being in
that group. Does anybody have links dealing with NT clusters ?
--
How much do we need to pay you to screw Netscape?
- BILL GATES, to AOL in a 1996 meeting
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:16:04 +0100
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Hanson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mart van de Wege wrote:
>> Well,
>>
>> Someone is working on it: http://www.redmondlinux.org
>>
>> This is actually a serious effort, I do think however that
>> they are too small-scale to really make a dent, however the
>> beauty of Open-Source: If they get an official release out,
>> other vendors can profit from their experiences. I for one
>> wouldn't touch this (I hate it that they took that 'My
>> Computer' metaphor from MS. I *know* it's my computer, I don't
>> need my bloody OS to tell me).
>
> It's a good effort. I know Joe Cheek and he's a good guy as
> well as being knowledgeable.
>
I liked what I saw when I visited their site for the first time.
It does seem that these guys are looking real hard at usability.
I just don't agree with their choice of metaphor, but I would
reccomend their distro to anyone migrating from Windows. It just
looks slick and well done, but I just wonder how they are going to
get it in widespread circulation.
Thanks for elaborating,
Mart
--
Happily running Debian, posting with Pan
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From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's just too easy
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:21:37 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
> I installed a new NIC in a frien's RH 6.2 box today.
>
> It went something like this:
>
> Open the case.
>
> Push out the blanking plate
>
>
> Swear at the case manufacturer for using push out blanking plates
> resulting in me not having enough screws any more.
>
> Put in the NIC
>
> Screw it up.
>
> Put the case on
>
> Plug bits in
>
> Boot up.
>
> kudzo loads.
>
> Enter the IP address.
>
> Away!
>
>
> I had to include the hardware bit to make it look like I'd done something.
>
>
> It's too easy. This has been my experience (more or less) with adding
> hardware since RH5.2 (my forst distro). This is why I am skeptical about
> the wintrolls with all these problems. I've simply never had them.
>
> All problems I have had have been with faulty hardware. All the other
> problems have been with Win9X which is quite frankly awful.
>
> -Ed
>
It's really easy too if you have the driver compiled directly into the
kernel. Instant autodetection and configuration. It does not matter to
the driver which slot its in either as long as there are no BAD conflicts with
interupts and such.
I do not recommend this if you are running more than one nic of the same
brand that uses the same driver though. Modules are the best way to go
with that setup.
--
Jim Broughton Slackware GNU/Linux user.
(The AmigaOS now there was an OS!)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:25:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Vester wrote:
>One that only took 40 years to grow up. With a DUI at the age
>of 30 and another 10 years to straighten out his life, Bush is
>a very slow learner. Being a devote Christian means nothing.
This is true.
>We can only tell if a man is moral by observing his
>behaviour. Clinton is a devote Christian too. Bush's most
>obvious gap in morality is that 10 year interval between a DUI
>and time he stopped drinking. If I got a DUI, drinking would
>be terminated. A DUI indicates a serious probem with alcohol.
This is true and he would NEVER answer the question about
his use of cocaine either. He refused to answer.
>Most people that get DUI's have done it 100's if not 1000's of
>times before they get caught.
>
Yip.
>
>The rest of the world mocks his lack of intelligence. At
>least the Replubicans won't have a target in office at least
>not the White House. The Republicans hate Hillary almost as
>much. The Republican Party is the most vindictive, vengeful
>collection of assholes I have ever seen. Watching the whole
>fiasco in Canada, I came to the conclusion. Repblicans would
>rather destroy their country in the noble cause of "following
>the law" than let Bill get away with a blow job. The
The notion that this kind of sexual behavior should have just
been overlooked is absolutely idiotic. I'll say that to your
face.
It was how they went about dragging it on which is what killed
the REPUBLICAN'S momentum. I kept telling everyone I knew that
they milked the ML deal to death and they need to concentrate on
the china gate issue. The China Gate issue is where we would
find treason.
But because the REPUBLICAN party has become INFESTED with
moral majority nitwits, the sexual issue was the one for them!
Forget about hading over guided missle parts to the Chineese!
This is TRIVIAL when it comes to SEX in the WHITE HOUSE!
And *THEY* took it TOO FAR. This should have gone for 1 year
then dropped cold in it's tracks.
And now that the REPUBLICAN party has masturbated this issue
into the ground that the REPUBLICAN PARTY *IS* to blame for
the entire incident. And I AGREE with the majority's feelings.
If you were to picture REPUBLICANS in the room with Bill and
Monica helping them get it on, you'd have my mental picture.
This is just how BADLY they have fucked themselves in the ass
over this deal. THIS IS WHY BUSH just BARELY ONE THE ELECTION!
Many people are thinking America is just INFESTED with sick
people who approve of SEX in the white house. MANY REPUBLICANS
that is! THEY are painting a mental picture in their minds of
some kind of CIVIL war where the forces of EVIL will meet the
forces of REPUBLICAN RELIGIOUS RIGHTHOOD and be conquested.
You think I'm kidding here, but the era of straight REPUBLICANS
is over. Nixon is dead. I know a guy who's got 5 lbs of gold
jewelry on his body and is worth 120 million dollars who said
so much as what I just printed above.
He is a RELIGIOUS FOOL with money and a HUGE MOUTH.
I kept asking myself during my time with him, what is the true
difference between this man, McVey, and David Duke? What would
it be?
What does it MEAN to be a GD REPUBLICAN anymore! In MY mind it
means the people who make the economic engine of the universe run!
In THEIR minds being a republican means prayer in schools,
fighting gun control, suppressing strange black people, suppressing
all non-christians. That is what the REPUBLICAN'S stand for today!
And they will argue with you tooth and nail and say they are not
racist people. They support Alan Keys! They like Colen Powell!
>Demoncrooks (I said that I like that) of course are guilty of
>all sorts of corruption too. But Demoncrooks seem to be much
>less vindictive when they don't get their way.
>
HA! You mean less exposed on the media.
>The whole Lewinski event has dissaopointed me. If the White
>House could not keep a simple blow job quiet, how could they
>keep a coverup on UFO's? Obviously, there is no UFO coverup.
>Area 51 is just a testing ground for new gadgets.
>
>
Well, amongst some of their NEW gadgets is that Aurora spy plane they
still haven't officially told us about. Or how about that propeller
on the backs of all US subs they won't let us photo or know about.
Yeah, they got secrets. And it would be VERY surprising to me
if they didn't have at least some junk parts from a crashed UFO
somewhere on this continent.
The trouble is, they probably don't know they are UFO crash parts.
That's the funny thing.
>--
>Michael Vester
>A credible Linux advocate
>
>"The avalanche has started, it is
>too late for the pebbles to vote"
>Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
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http://www.debian.org
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and QA
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:33:10 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perry Pip quoth:
> Mandrake is a POS AFIAC, and has done a disservice to the Linux
> community. They started out as nothing but an exact clone of Redhat
> 5.2, but with KDE added to give it some eye candy. Since one could
> have added KDE to RH 5.2 anyways, the added value of Mandrake was
> nil.
Since then, they have developed their own installer. They have done a
reasonable amount of work on 586 optimizations. they did a reasonable
amount of work, with a significant value-add with CUPS. Their SGI
optimized version of Apache requires very little tweaking out of the
box. They release rpm versions of security fixes usually within 24
hours after CERT announces a problem.
And I have never had a significant problem with *ANY* mandrake distro
since v. 6.1. Pete's experience with Mandrake is not the norm as
normal people don't go out of their way to try and break an OS.
There is a reason that Mandrake won best in show at LinuxWorld last
year. There is a reason why Mandrake was the #1 selling linux
distribution in the world in December with 28% marketshare.
Why bash a distribution based on the say-so of a disingenuous troll?
--
Salvador Peralta -o)
Programmer/Analyst, Webmaster / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows ME doesn't BSOD on me
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:32:36 -0500
"Marada C. Shradrakaii" wrote:
>
> >True. Windows ME doesn't BSOD on me. It just locks up tighter than a drum
> >where I have to *unplug* the machine and plug it back in to get it to
> >boot back up.
> >
>
> For 35 bucks and an hour or two you can fix that. Buy a power supply with an
> honest-to-the-diety power switch on the back. Install it. Then you just
> toggle the switch to get the power off if it locks up that way.
>
> It's a "feature" of the ATX standard and its derivatives that the machine
> powers-on and off under motherboard (and by extention software) control.
My power supplies have BOTH...motherboard control AND
switch-on-the-back.
> --
> Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
> Colony name not needed in address.
> This post is No. 54 056 in a limited edition of 700 000 000. Certificate of
> Authenticity attached.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Politics (was Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:35:06 -0500
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Bloody Viking wrote:
> >>
> >> Walt wrote:
> >>
> >> : In Los Angeles, thousands of illegal immigrants, along with people in
> >> : local cemeteries, registered and voted in recent elections. And of
> >> : course, they voted overwhelmingly Democratic.
> >>
> >> And in Florida, the GOP does the same crap. And we all know about
> >> the election debacle that ensued.
>
> > So why did Gore only challenge the counts in [democrat]-controlled
> > counties?
>
> Because the democrat countries are where most democrat voters are
> and hence where most were lost to election-rigging scams, intentional
> or not.
What election rigging scams?
Oh, you must mean the ones being perpetrated by the Democrat-run
election boards, and the Democrat local governments...
Clue for the clueless: the party OUT of power in a district has
no ability to pull of election-rigging.
>
> > Is that a sign that not even a Democrat candidate can trust
> > a Democrat election board to do things properly?
>
> As the state board was keen to point out, election officials do not
> have party biases, just party affiliations. :-).
And I have lovely ocean-front property in Kansas.
>
> Peter
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:28:58 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:28:33 -0500, "Flacco"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hmmm... I wonder how much the consumer version of XP is gonna run? If
> they
> > charge more than $99, it's gonna be a tough upgrade.
>
> It will probably be cheap. MS is dying to get everyone on a subscription
> system. They can take money from your credit card without you having to
> lift a finger.
>
> This is their dream. They won't let a high initial price get in the way of
> that.
Free upgrade when you subscribe. They can afford it and it'll nix the
competition from Linux.
Peter
--
In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SGI XFS Installation Update
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:28:57 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 12 Feb 2001 06:34:20 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart Krivis) wrote:
> RH also seemed to need an awful lot of fixing
> before things worked. It kept thinking that my serial mouse was PS2.
And there's no telling it it's wrong. Greys out the settings. Bit
Microsoftesque, n'est pas? I thought it was only me that had that problem.
I nearly ripped a machine apart thinking there was some weird wiring error.
Peter
--
In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My Win2k Network Nightmare!!!!!!
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:37:18 -0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>You Penguinista's are going to love this one, but like I say I try and
>tell it like it is at least from my perspective as a user.
>In preparation for a processor upgrade on my main digital audio system
>I decided to move relocate my Linksys network card to more appropriate
>slots to better take advantage of the irq settings of the pci slots on
>my Abit board.
[snip]
Yes, this is one of my gripes about Windows, and one thing that Linux
gets right. Move a PCI card to a different slot and Windows says,
"Hey, there's a new card in slot 2. Gimme a driver." There's no
obvious way to say "Hey dummy, you already have a driver; it's just
pointed at slot 3."
As far as installing the driver, I've sometimes been able to work
around this bug by telling Windows to install the driver from
C:\WINDOWS or C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM. As for your network problems, I
wouldn't know a quick way out because my home box has no Ethernet.
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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Subject: Re: It's just too easy
From: imekon@$$$REMOVE$$$.freeuk.com (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:39:17 GMT
Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<96m9v0$336$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>It won't make a difference. You can break any system if you really
>work at it, which is what Pete does with his linux systems.
I'm not deliberately trying to break Linux. It is broken when I do these
things.
--
Pete Goodwin
---
On that unstable much loved system known as Windows 98 SE.
Linux Mandrake 7.2 - not recommended - see the topic titled
"Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?"
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which Linux?
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:41:23 -0500
Ant wrote:
>
> I got a older 486 laptop with 5 meg of ram and a floppy drive, No CD-ROM. I
> want to install a version of Linux on it to get some experience for a job
> position I am applying for in Web Support. Which version should I install?
Which version to buy is the least of your concerns at this point. Your
first priority is to get the machine up to the minimum standards
necessary
for the task at hand.
First, to do web stuff, you're going to need to be running X-windows.
This pushes the minimum useful memory at 16 Meg. Considering that old
SIMM memory is cheap, I would put in as much as you can find.
You should also get an ATAPI CD-ROM (that is, any CD-ROM that hooks up
to an IDE connector). Any old cheap thing will do. You're not going
to use the CD-ROM much...just for the initial install, and then it will
be MONTHS before you ever use it again....maybe longer.
As to which version:
I would recommend SuSE 7.1 Professional.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hmm interesting quote from Kulkis on alt.support.depression
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:42:46 -0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking) wrote:
>IF this is true, so what? Not to mention, he posts some funny flames. Some of
>the best poets are depression sufferers or otherwise have SOME kind of
>"problem". Same with all manner of artists, and flaming is an art form in
>itself, with the easal being USENET.
True enough. But Kulkis will remain in my killfile until he loses the
big wanking sig, and learns to snip properly when quoting.
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