Linux-Advocacy Digest #272, Volume #32           Sat, 17 Feb 01 17:13:05 EST

Contents:
  Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft (Mig)
  Re: Which Linux? (Bloody Viking)
  Re: Which Linux? (Bloody Viking)
  Re: Which Linux? (Bloody Viking)
  Re: Linux and QA (Ian Pulsford)
  Re: Linux 64 bit and Windows 32 bit ("Edward Rosten")
  Re: Linux and QA ("Net Resident")
  Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: My Win2k Network Nightmare!!!!!! ("Edward Rosten")
  Re: Linux and QA (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Which Linux? ("Edward Rosten")
  Re: Which Linux? (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Linux and QA (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ("Edward Rosten")
  Re: It's just too easy ("Adam Warner")

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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:56:20 +0100

Craig Kelley wrote:

> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Craig Kelley wrote:
> > > 
> > > mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > 
> > > > Unfortunately, GW (idiot son of a bad president) proves that our
> > > > entire system is for sale. Fix a few elections, buy a few people,
> > > > appoint Ashcroft, it is a sad period in my counties history. I think
> > > > we have hit rock bottom, unfortunately, they are looking for
> > > > shovels.
> > > 
> > > At least he didn't take multi-million dollar contributions in exchange
> > > for a presidential pardon.
> > 
> > I doubt very much Clinton did, but perhaps there should be some
> > historical perspective applied by examining the last minute pardons of
> > other presidents.
> > > 
> > > By the way, what are your SAT scores?  We can compare them to GW's and
> > > see how much of an idiot you are.
> > 
> > I don't wish to share mine, however, I am curious as to what his were. I
> > am betting below 1200.
> 
> You're wrong.
> 
> Bush's verbal: 566; Bush's math: 640

Is that good or bad? How does that system work and what is the maximum 
possible
-- 
Cheers

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Which Linux?
Date: 17 Feb 2001 21:07:53 GMT


Ant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

: I got a older 486 laptop with 5 meg of ram and a floppy drive, No CD-ROM. I 
: want to install a version of Linux on it to get some experience for a job 
: position I am applying for in Web Support. Which version should I install?

Buy yourself an external CD drive and buy Slackware, which can be installed 
from a pile of floppies. 

--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Which Linux?
Date: 17 Feb 2001 21:09:48 GMT


Mart van de Wege ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

: AFAIK, both Slackware and Debian are very good for minimalist
: sytems. However, although Linux is not resource-intensive, it

I never tried Debian, but I know Slackware can be installed from AOL Disks(tm) 
or normal floppies. My first install was from AOL Disks(tm). 

--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Which Linux?
Date: 17 Feb 2001 21:12:23 GMT


Edward Rosten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

: RH 5.2 can go down to 190M including Netscape, X, Apache, ftp, sendmail
: and a few other bits and bobs.

The original poster has no CD drive on the laptop. If he has a CD drive in his 
DESKtop, he'll have to install from floppies, and Slackware wins out on that 
score. Red Hat needs that CD drive for the install. 

--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

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From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and QA
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 07:17:25 +1000

What kind of testing is done on Windows distributions?
 
Is it a manual test?
 
A patently bad test as is obvious in W2k?

Is it automated?
 
Are the scripts out there that can be run to verify a system?
 
What "Quality Assurance" is done on Windows systems?
 


IanP

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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux 64 bit and Windows 32 bit
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:14:51 +0000

>> I wouldn't mind a link.
> 
> My mistake.  AMD has the specs for their x86-64 line, but the chip isn't
> in productiong yet.
> 
> :-(


Dang. 

>> There is a very good reason thet UNIX has been around as long as it
>> has.
> 
> Most of all...because it's a damn fine OS.

my sentiments precisely.

-Ed



-- 
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere?     |u98ejr
        - The Hackenthorpe Book of lies                   |@
                                                          |eng.ox.ac.uk

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From: "Net Resident" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and QA
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:18:57 -0500

"Salvador Peralta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:96mfvi$5fe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Perry Pip quoth:
>
> > Mandrake is a POS AFIAC, and has done a disservice to the Linux
> > community. They started out as nothing but an exact clone of Redhat
> > 5.2, but with KDE added to give it some eye candy. Since one could
> > have added KDE to RH 5.2 anyways, the added value of Mandrake was
> > nil.
>
> Since then, they have developed their own installer.  They have done a
> reasonable amount of work on 586 optimizations.  they did a reasonable
> amount of work, with a significant value-add with CUPS.  Their SGI
> optimized version of Apache requires very little tweaking out of the
> box.  They release rpm versions of security fixes usually within 24
> hours after CERT announces a problem.
>
> And I have never had a significant problem with *ANY* mandrake distro
> since v. 6.1.  Pete's experience with Mandrake is not the norm as
> normal people don't go out of their way to try and break an OS.
>
> There is a reason that Mandrake won best in show at LinuxWorld last
> year.  There is a reason why Mandrake was the #1 selling linux
> distribution in the world in December with 28% marketshare.
>
> Why bash a distribution based on the say-so of a disingenuous troll?
>
> --
>
> Salvador Peralta                   -o)
> Programmer/Analyst, Webmaster      / \
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]       _\_v
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>

I guess I will come out of lurking mode for this one. I am not a seasoned
Linux user (some day I hope that is different) but I have done a lot of
installs of various distros (I usually start having a problem as I get into
some of the config (post install) aspects due to my lack of knowledge). The
distro I have had the best luck with so far has been Suse 6.1 with thier
Yast tool. Anyway, I got tried of purchasing the latest greatest distro in
order to use/learn Linux on my modern hardware.

I recently spent time trying to get Mandrake 7.1 installed, I learned during
this process that this distro is simply broken. It failed everytime during
the install and while I am not a knowledgeable Linux user I am not
incompetent at a simple install either (I have been building home and small
office systems since about 94), the installer seems to make a bad assumption
about the video card in use and does not allow for a interactive install
just prior to that point. I also tried to use the low VGA install and that
failed as well due the same reason, then I resorted to the "text" install
but the installer would not let me have the "text" mode install and kept
reverting to low VGA mode.

As I said, this version 7.1 is broken, I could go out and spend more money
on 7.2 but I am tired of getting caught in that merry go-round and at this
point I want to get a working modern version of Linux up and functional. I
am currently downloading Slackware, I hope to have it running by this
evening.



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Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:17:56 GMT

T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 

>>I made a reasonable assumption that does not hold with The Gimp on
>>Linux. That's has nothing to do with "brain dead" Windows.
>
>What a putz.

OK fine. End of conversation. Not that there was anything sensible 
emanating from you anyway.

>>I'm sick of your misrepresentations.
>>
>>Twisting it all to fit the facts you want again, eh?
>
>Trying to make sense of your softheaded bullshit, actually.

Can't do anything without throwing in the odd insult huh?

-- 
Pete Goodwin
---
On that unstable much loved system known as Windows 98 SE.
Linux Mandrake 7.2 - not recommended - see the topic titled
"Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?"



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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My Win2k Network Nightmare!!!!!!
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:20:26 +0000

> Like I have said many times, if and when the applications I need to use
> are available for Linux I will switch in a NY minute. As it stands all
> of this .NET stuff and MS Spyware may push me over to the Mac world
> because much of my digital audio software has Mac versions on the same
> CD's.

IIRC Macs running Linux can run Mac software (a bit like wine, but much,
much better). You might be able to get the audio stuff working under
Linux like that.


-Ed




-- 
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere?     |u98ejr
        - The Hackenthorpe Book of lies                   |@
                                                          |eng.ox.ac.uk

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and QA
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:20:39 -0500



Perry Pip wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:32:27 -0500,
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Perry Pip wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:28:35 GMT,
> >> Pete Goodwin <imekon@$$$REMOVE$$$.freeuk.com> wrote:
> >> >What kind of testing is done on Linux distributions?
> >>
> >> That depends on the distribution. With debian, the testing cycle,
> >> i.e. the time it takes for a particular dist name (i.e. slink, potato,
> >> woody, sid) to move from 'unstable' to 'testing' to 'stable' status is
> >> typically over a year.
> >>
> >> >Is it a manual test?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Public beta testing. In the case of debian, for well over a year.
> >>
> >> >A patently bad test as is obvious in Linux Mandrake 7.2?
> >>
> >> Mandrake is a POS AFIAC, and has done a disservice to the Linux
> >> community. They started out as nothing but an exact clone of Redhat
> >> 5.2, but with KDE added to give it some eye candy. Since one could
> >> have added KDE to RH 5.2 anyways, the added value of Mandrake was
> >> nil. Then when they started adding their own stuff to the dist, they
> >> did a shitty job of it. Thus the added value became negative.
> >>
> >> Ever notice Mandrakes version numbers, which started out the same as
> >> RH when they forked off from RH, are always about 0.2 higher that
> >> RH. That's nothing but a cheap marketing ploy to fool potential
> >> newbies looking at shrink wrapped Linux dists in the store into
> >> thinking that Mandrake is a later version of Linux than Redhat. Suse,
> >> unfortunately, has resorted the same BS tactic to try to increase
> >> their sales.
> >
> >The problem is this....
> >
> >Redhat Linux X.Y
> >SuSE Linux W.Z
> >
> >To the uninformed (Linux-wise), English grammatical rules
> >imply that the meaning is:
> >
> >Redhat's version of "Linux X.Y"
> >and
> >SuSE's version of "Linux W.Z"
> >
> >the X.Y and W.Z are more tightly, and misleadingly associated with
> >the word Linux than with the Brand name (to which it *actually* applies)
> 
> The problem became ecxacerbated when companies that spun off from RH,
> particulary Suse and Mandrake, kept RH's version system instead of
> starting their own. Caldera, the first big spin-off from RH did create
> their own. Slackware OTOH, which was never a RH spin-off, mysteriously
> jumped their version # to catch up with RH. It's a decieving game to
> fool newbies by one-upping the other guys version #.
> 
> I'm glad debian doesn't play up to these marketing games.

No..it's NOT about deception.

In fact, the concept of, say RedHat 6.2 an Slackware 3.2(?) being rough
equivalents is confusing as all getout for the uninitiated newbie.


> 
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >Is it automated?
> >> >
> >> >Are the scripts out there that can be run to verify a system?
> >> >
> >>
> >> There may be automated regression tests on various individual
> >> packages, but I'm not sure what you mean by an automated test on an
> >> entire distribution. An entire dist will have large numbers of
> >> alternative packages and support a wide variety of hardware. Is there
> >> a script used to test every release of Windows?? Or does MS do public
> >> beta tests??
> >>
> >> >What "Quality Assurance" is done on Linux systems?
> >> >
> >>
> >> That's a very complex question, as it is for windows too. But at least
> >> open source is subject to public code review, can have much earlier
> >> alpha/beta test releases, and in the case of a noncommercial dist like
> >> debian, is not driven by marketing schedules and interests.
> >>
> >> >Linux Mandrake 7.2 - not recommended - see the topic titled
> >> >"Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?"
> >> >
> >>
> >> Quite frankly, unless you change your attitude Pete, you won't be
> >> happy with any Linux. If you spent just half the time you spend
> >> whining on this NG sincerely trying to understand and properly fix
> >> your Linux problems you would have your box working flawlessly, even
> >> with a POS like Mandrake.
> >
> >--
> >Aaron R. Kulkis
> >Unix Systems Engineer
> >DNRC Minister of all I survey
> >ICQ # 3056642
> >
> >
> >H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> >    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> >    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> >    you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> >I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> >   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> >   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> >   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> >J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> >   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> >   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> >A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.
> >
> >B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> >   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> >   direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> >C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> >D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> >   ...despite (C) above.
> >
> >E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> >   her behavior improves.
> >
> >F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> >   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> >G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which Linux?
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:21:48 +0000

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ant"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I got a older 486 laptop with 5 meg of ram and a floppy drive, No
> CD-ROM. I  want to install a version of Linux on it to get some
> experience for a job  position I am applying for in Web Support. Which
> version should I install?


I forgot to mention that Monkey Linux comes on 5 floppies and includes X
and netscape.


-Ed



-- 
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere?     |u98ejr
        - The Hackenthorpe Book of lies                   |@
                                                          |eng.ox.ac.uk

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which Linux?
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:22:39 -0500



Bloody Viking wrote:
> 
> Ant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> : I got a older 486 laptop with 5 meg of ram and a floppy drive, No CD-ROM. I
> : want to install a version of Linux on it to get some experience for a job
> : position I am applying for in Web Support. Which version should I install?
> 
> Buy yourself an external CD drive and buy Slackware, which can be installed
> from a pile of floppies.

If he's gonna be playing with Web design, he needs enough RAM to run
X-windows.
16Meg minimum.


> 
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:27:52 GMT

T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 

>>Where is this proof then? Merely saying you have proof doesn't mean it 
>>exists.
>
>It was on the subject line.  ;-)

You mean "Another Linux Oopsie!". You consider that a lie, do you?

>>I was talking about a reasonable assumption, how far off topic would
>>you like to stray.
>
>We right on topic; it doesn't matter how many times you repeat that it
>was a "reasonable assumption", you obviously don't know what that means.
>You made an assumption, which turned out to be wrong.  Whether *other*
>people consider it 'reasonable' is all that matters; what you have to
>declare on the subject is less than nothing.  Unless, of course, the
>word "reasonable" doesn't have any meaning for you, which I'm beginning
>to suspect is the case.

You obviously don't consider it reasonable, judging by your posts. I've 
seen others post who think it is reasonable.

Nothing you have said has altered my opinion - you just haven't made your 
case, have you? Instead, you throw in veiled insults when you don't get 
your way.

>>It means when I see the installation ask me for what kind of printer I 
>>have, and I answer Epson, I expect the rest of the system to follow
>>that setting. Seems reasonable enough to me.
>
>Well, consider that we know for a fact that its not true.  Does it still
>seem "reasonable"?  To believe something that is not true, merely
>because you are ignorant to the point of error; is that reasonable?

Then the system is at fault, is it not? Do you understand what
"usability" means?

>> You, on the other hand, want 
>>"reasonable" to include the incorrect default of The Gimp.
>
>I wouldn't call it reasonable to consider a Linux box a Mac; you seem to
>think that is reasonable.  As for whether the default is 'incorrect',
>that's more softheaded thinking, I'd say, on your part.

Now where did I make the assumption the Linux box is a Mac. Or a
Windows machine? I'm talking about basic usability, which has
nothing to do with Windows, MAX or Linux per se.

>>Then what a daft system!
>
>You expect I'll be insulted because you don't like Linux and would
>prefer a Macintosh?

Why would you be insulted? I'm calling it a daft system because it
breaks basic usability ideas.

>>The issue is about what is reasonable. As usual, you're trying to twist
>>it away from that onto your favourite topic, your "dogma".
>
>You're a troll, silly.  That's not "dogma"; that's facts.

So now where down to the basics aren't we. You run out of ideas,
so you turn to insults. Fine. I'll let you crawl back into whatever
stone you scampered out from under.

-- 
Pete Goodwin
---
On that unstable much loved system known as Windows 98 SE.
Linux Mandrake 7.2 - not recommended - see the topic titled
"Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?"



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Subject: Re: Linux and QA
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:32:44 GMT

Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
<96mfvi$5fe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>And I have never had a significant problem with *ANY* mandrake distro 
>since v. 6.1.  Pete's experience with Mandrake is not the norm as 
>normal people don't go out of their way to try and break an OS.  

I don't consider having to manually configure a system with a supported 
sound card, a network card etc. breaking an OS or going out of my way to do 
the same.

>There is a reason that Mandrake won best in show at LinuxWorld last 
>year.  There is a reason why Mandrake was the #1 selling linux 
>distribution in the world in December with 28% marketshare.
>
>Why bash a distribution based on the say-so of a disingenuous troll?

Oh you don't take just my word for it, see below.

-- 
Pete Goodwin
---
On that unstable much loved system known as Windows 98 SE.
Linux Mandrake 7.2 - not recommended - see the topic titled
"Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?"



------------------------------

From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:33:08 +0000

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Edward Rosten wrote:
>> 
>> > It's interesting to note that the whole phenomenon of Microsoft vs.
>> > Open Source most likely wouldn't exist had IBM not (albeit,
>> > unthinkingly)
>> > 'open-sourced' the PC architecture.
>> 
>> Not true. Visit www.gnu.org and look under `Why we are here'
>> 
>> -Ed
>> 
> 
> GNU is not the be all and end all of open-source

No, but it is open source and existed before the IBM PC. If IBM had not
`open sourced ' the PC open source software would still be very much with
us.

-Ed



-- 
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere?     |u98ejr
        - The Hackenthorpe Book of lies                   |@
                                                          |eng.ox.ac.uk

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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's just too easy
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:36:36 +1300

In article <96m1f0$o5j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "MH"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "Peter K�hlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> 
> This is funny? An empty attached file with a script ext? What an idiot.
> But hey, it's cola. What did I expect?

I believe it is a demonstration that MS Outlook Express is broken and
doesn't observe the specific RFQ. URL anyone?

Yes I see you are using MS Outlook Express.

For your benefit here's what I see:

I-LOVE-WINDOWS.txt.vbs
http://www.klickibunti.org/buntibunti.html
Society against GUI Domination
end

(I took out the word begin so I hope you don't see this as an attachment).

Regards,
Adam

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