Linux-Advocacy Digest #408, Volume #32 Thu, 22 Feb 01 16:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (The Ghost In
The Machine)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] ("Se�n �
Donnchadha")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Steve Mading)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Steve Mading)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Steve Mading)
Information wants to be free (gun-less thread) (John Jensen)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MS seeks Gov't help to stop blacks from using computersRe: Microsoft (Aaron
Kulkis)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:12:33 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Donal K. Fellows
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:49:50 +0000
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Chad Myers wrote:
>> "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>[flame elided]
>> Another factless avoidance post by the Penguinistas.
>
>Penguinista? Me? <snigger>
What, you mean you haven't replaced an MS-OS on a Wintel computer
yet and then run around shouting, "Vive la revolucion!" ? :-)
[rest snipped]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Well, OK, I replaced the OS, but why would I for one run
around shouting that? The neighbors would think I'm
slightly peculiar.
EAC code #191 17d:10h:43m actually running Linux.
Linux. The choice of a GNU generation.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:12:36 -0500
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Craig Kelley wrote:
> > > That's my point. Do we want Nancy Reagan on TV
> >
> > No! Anything but that!
> >
> > > telling everyone, "Don't buy handguns"?
> >
> > Shucks! If you'd stopped with the first half of that sentence, it would
> > have been so much less contentious... :^)
> >
> > > Because the law will not change the fact that
> > > criminals have them; ie, the same people who abuse them even now.
> >
> > IIRC from the debate when handguns were banned in the UK, whether or not
> > the criminal element have them was not considered to be a major factor,
> > but rather on the nutcases with a grudge against their workplace, school,
> > neighbourhood or just humanity in general. Criminals break the law, so
> > what's another law to them? Madmen are a different matter.
>
> So then it comes down to
>
> Saving lives by removing certain classes of weapons from madmen (mad
> people are not avert to lugging rifles around in blue-suede golf bags).
>
> vs.
>
> Saving lives by having a deterrent against the criminal element.
>
> I don't think you can prove either conjecture conclusivly yet, much
> less which one saves more lives. Any reasonable person would be able
> to understand why guns should and should not be outlawed; being blind
> to one side of the issue is silly. Let the UK try it out first and
> see how well it works (although there is not a huge history of
> handguns in the UK anyway, so it may not even be a valid indicator as
> to how the US would respond to similar restrictions).
We have EXCELLANT data for the United States. This same experiment
has been tried in Washington, D.C., New York city, Gary, Indiana,
and Detroit.
The result of banning handguns (i.e. disarming those who are devoutly
law-abiding), was that EACH these four cities soon had more than one
firearm murder per day....even as adjoining municipalities experienced
no overall change in their rates of violent crime.
>
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Se�n � Donnchadha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:20:04 -0500
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >Does that allow you to have multiple versions of the same library
installed?
>
> I suspect yes. The fact that the OS doesn't read the multiple versions
> after instaling one of them picked more or less at random (depending on
> the first app run) is a very very eentsy teensy tiny itty bitty flaw....
>
Your fact is utter bullshit, Ghost. Read up on the way Win32 DLLs work.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: 22 Feb 2001 20:25:11 GMT
Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: it will print garbage. You ***still*** have to go to "setup" and select
: your printer instead of the default "PostScript Level 1", then save
: settings. Then it does a reasonable, but not outstanding, printout.
If the printer is set up right in the first place, "Postscript level 1"
WILL work. The printer queue is supposed to have a postscript-to-native
filter on it. In fact selecting that filter is actually what you were
doing when you set up the printer in the first place. If printing
postscript to the print queue doesn't work right, then GIMP won't be the
only program failing.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:40:00 -0500
Tim Hanson wrote:
>
> Craig Kelley wrote:
> >
> > "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Craig Kelley wrote:
> > > > If we really want to save lives here, why not ban alcohol so that the
> > > > DUI rate goes down? DUIs kill more people every day than hand guns do
> > > > all year.
> > >
> > > Prohibition is unlikely to work as well as flaming high taxes; while
> > > people may grumble about taxes, banning drink would be far more unpopular
> > > and all the politicians know it. We're more likely to see a legalization
> > > of cannabis than a banning of booze...
> >
> > That's my point. Do we want Nancy Reagan on TV telling everyone,
> > "Don't buy handguns"? Because the law will not change the fact that
> > criminals have them; ie, the same people who abuse them even now.
>
> Concerning these endless off-topic pissing contests having nothing to do
> with computers, I think we should just say "No."
OK... tell a homocidal maniac "no"
Something tells me he's not gonna listen unless you have the means
to MAKE him listen. That means not merely "a" weapon, but a
weapon which is both easy to use, and astoundingly lethel.
And if it's your grandmother, he sure as hell ain't gonna listen
unless grandma puts a bullet in his brain.
Ever notice how juries REFUSE to convict old grandma's who shoot
burglars, even if in a jurisdiction with a 100% ban on civilian
ownership of handguns...
When are you going to realize that the number of murderous psychopaths,
and the mayhem they create FAR EXCEEDS the occasional guy who snaps.
There *IS* no utopia. Weapons bans have NEVER created a murder-free
utopia....in fact, in over 50% of the places where laws are passed
preventing the public from carrying weapons of any sort, the government
soon turns rogue and starts attacking the citizenry itself...using
the POLICE...the very same people who you are counting on to protect
your cowardly ass.
>
> --
> Pick another fortune cookie.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: 22 Feb 2001 20:34:15 GMT
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Incorrect!
: How many times do I have to point this out to you?
: I was _not_ thinking of Windows when I made that assumption. I was
: thinking what would a reasonable person expect to happen!
: You're trying to excuse an inconsistancy within The Gimp by saying it was
: my mistake - you're wrong!
The inconsistency was not in the gimp. It was in your choice to
not set up the filter program ('driver') on the default print
queue, and instead put it on some other queue, and let the default
print queue remain driverless. The same exact problem would have
happened had you tried printing to the default queue from, say,
netscape or anything else.
The queue that had the right driver on it was NOT the default queue.
------------------------------
From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: 22 Feb 2001 20:30:40 GMT
Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: No, you don't. You've got GIMP sending raw postscript to the printer.
: It's a stupid default, but hey. If you remove that, you should be ab eto
: preint PS level 1, 2 or 3.
I don't get it - why is that stupid? The print queue is supposed to have
a postscript-to-native converter program. Netscape, for example, also
prints out everything in postscript - because the job of the filter
program is to make all printers look as if they are postscript capable,
even when they aren't.
>From the sound of it, the real problem was merely that there were two
print queues set up, one of which did not have the driver filter in
place. This is the same exact thing as setting up two printer drivers
in Windows, one of which is correct, and one is for the wrong printer,
and then bitching about it when printing to the wrong queue doesn't
work right.
------------------------------
From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Information wants to be free (gun-less thread)
Date: 22 Feb 2001 20:42:41 GMT
Is renaming the thread slightly enough to avoid the gun arguments? I hope
so, let's use the original "Information ..." post to talk about guns, and
this one to talk about information.
Richard Stallman has written a response to the Allchin thing:
http://weblog.mercurycenter.com/ejournal/
It provides the background Allchin needs to keep his terms straight in the
future. ;-)
I think it is the kind of doucment Allchin should himself write, if he is
really trying to communicate a free/open software position.
John
--
33� 39' 43N 117� 45' 06W
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:53:50 -0600
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >This ignores the fact that MS's software has gone down in price when you
> >factor in inflation, and the amount of software you get per dollar.
>
> No, it doesn't, though your statement does ignore the fact that it has
> not gone down in price at all, nor kept up with the competition in terms
> of the amount of functionality included with the distribution.
If the numbers on the price tag stay the same, and inflation goes up. The
dollar value has dropped, and thus the product becomes cheaper.
> >Further, you negelected to mention why OS's like BeOS and MacOS X exist
if
> >this were the case.
>
> There is no need to, though it might have been a decent troll guard to
> point out that if the OS is not sufficiently substitutable for Windows,
> MS has little reason or leverage to "strangle" it.
He claims that MS inhibits innovation. Linux flies in the face of that.
Linux doesn't depend on a market to grow its technology base, since the
people that use it enhance it. Since Linux's technology has not advanced
past the level that MS's has, and in most cases, Linux is still trying to
catch up to Windows, that theory is bogus. If the argument were true, then
Linux's technology would completely surpass Windows.
> >IE would have won on it's merits, without ISP agreements.
>
> Then why did MS spend millions to secure such agreements?
Because Netscape was doing the same thing.
> >They react to every situation as a life or death threat, and that isn't
> >always necessary. Sometimes it is, but not always.
>
> And when it isn't, its criminal behavior, Erik. There is no 'life or
> death'. There is competing, and there is monopolizing. If the only way
> MS can 'stay alive' is to monopolize, then they are a criminal
> organization. QED.
No, it's not criminal behavior. I see nowhere in the Sherman Act that
specifies that.
> >> Are you denying that Microsoft has a monopoly ? Or that monopolies
> >> do not charge higher prices than competitors do ?
> >
> >Apples and Oranges.
>
> Is that a yes or a no, Erik?
I'm saying that determining the price of a product is not so simple as just
comparing two products, since they offer different kinds of functionality.
> >OS/2 has always been more expensive than Windows.
> >MacOS is more expensive than windows (they charge $99 for an upgrade,
while
> >MS charges $89), Netware is more expensive than NT. Solaris, until
recently
> >was much more expensive than NT, and still is for high end systems.
> >
> >The only "competitors" that charge less are Be and Linux. Be offers a
> >fraction of the functionality of Windows, so that's understandable.
Linux
> >is an enigma. Please back up this claim.
>
> What claim? That Windows is priced above competitive levels is a fact,
Is it? Then you wouldn't mind stating what the exact competitive price
level is. Go ahead. What's the figure?
> not a claim. It doesn't have anything to do with the snow-storm you
> throw up whenever the subject appears, though. If you could buy Windows
> from either MS or, say, TMax Software Inc., then would MS still be able
> to charge the same for their Windows, presuming mine was a suitable
> alternative that supported Win32 sufficiently to erase the application
> barrier?
That's two entirely different things. MS's competition is other OS's, not
Windows clones. Stop pretending that lots of other OS's out there aren't
more expensive than Windows. They are.
> The answer is "no"; TMax Windows would drastically lower the amount that
> MS could charge, as any other _competition_ (note the lack of quotes)
> would. This is called 'competitive pricing', and its something MS will
> avoid at all costs, including engaging in illegal activity.
MS is already priced below the majority of their competition.
> >> The drama was an attempt to shock you out of your denial.
Obviously
> >> it did not work. I'll try to think of something else.
> >
> >Perhaps you should start by evaluating your own base assumptions.
Windows
> >is *NOT* more expensive than most of it's competitors.
>
> Windows is astronomically more expensive than all of its competitors.
> If it weren't, they wouldn't need to maintain a monopoly in order to
> keep people buying it.
The monopoly is BECAUSE people buy it.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola?
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:45:01 -0500
"Rob S. Wolfram" wrote:
>
> Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"Rob S. Wolfram" wrote:
> >> So only the sum of your signatures amounts to 4.7% of my total COLA
> >> newsspool of 15144kB (the latter being diskusage, not bytecount, so the
> >> real number is likely to be closer to 5.6% if we suppose an average of
> >> 0.5kB blockspace waisted per file).
> >
> >Big ripping deal. This analysis must've taken you all afternoon.
>
> Read rfc 1855 and come back when you've educated yourself.
>
parts of RFC 1855 are akin to laws stating that all mechanized
conveyances must have a life-sized horsehead sculpture on the
front so that the horses don't get scared.
RFC 1855 was concocted when USENET posting accounted for well over
50% of ARPANET bandwidth, and the ARPANET backbone was 56k, and
the typical disk had a capacity of 20MB.
Any and all jpeg groups violate RFC 1855.
In short, a strict reading of RFC 1855 is like prohibiting the
use of AC electricity because, as Edison showed, you can kill
a cow with it.
> HTH. HAND.
> Rob
> --
> Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OpenPGP key 0xD61A655D
> Microsoft is like the Borg, abiding to the Ferengi Rules of
> Aquisition.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS seeks Gov't help to stop blacks from using computersRe: Microsoft
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:45:59 -0500
Nick Condon wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >Nick Condon wrote:
>
> >> Are going for some sort of record for how many threads you can introduce
> >> gun control to?
> >
> >Sure, why not.
>
> I know you're not reknowned for your grasp of netiquette, but aren't you a
> little off-topic? Do you start "Bill Gates sucks" threrads on
> talk.politics.guns?
Do I *HAVE* to put the smiley face in before you get it?
>
> --
> Nick
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:48:45 -0500
Nick Condon wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Kulkis) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >
> >
> >Nick Condon wrote:
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donald R. McGregor) wrote in
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >> >In article <96ucn0$qgm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >>>> >> I can't say I follow UK politics too well, but I doubt that's
> >> >>>> >> the problem. The problem is that a government typically
> >> >>>> >> operates at or slightly beyond the legal limits of its
> >> >>>> >> authority. With no full equivalent of the US Constitution to
> >> >>>> >> restrict its powers, the UK government can get away with more,
> >> >>>> >> and does.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> No. We live in a democracy and we are free to not have guns if we
> >> >>>> wish.
> >> >
> >> >This returns to the idea of a written constitution with enumerated
> >> >rights that are not subject to simple majority rule.
> >>
> >> Even written constitutions are capable of amendment. An amendment to
> >> this hypothetical written UK constitution would easily gain enough
> >> support to be passed. Any attempt to introduce Prohibition, however,
> >> would be doomed to failure. Your written constitution didn't help you
> >> there, did it?
> >>
> >> Your faith in a written constitution is misplaced. The former Soviet
> >> Union had one of the most extensive Bills of Rights ever written and
> >> look how far it got them. The separation of powers is a far more
> >> important principle, IMO.
> >
> >The more precisely an individuals rights are defined, the easier
> >it is to sidestep those rights and oppress the populace.
> >
> >The US Constitution works so well precisely because the Bill of Rights
> >is written in very broad terms.
>
> No, it works as well as it does because it has strong independent Supreme
> Court, which is prepared to over-rule the legislature, which the Soviets
> lacked - i.e. separation of powers.
>
You have a point there.
> --
> Nick
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:57:44 -0600
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> >This ignores the fact that MS's software has gone down in price when you
> >factor in inflation, and the amount of software you get per dollar.
> >Further, you negelected to mention why OS's like BeOS and MacOS X exist
if
> >this were the case.
>
> Microsoft is a part owner of MacOS and MacOS X is mostly
> recycled technology from before Microsoft had such a grip
> on the market.
MS owns 150 million in non-voting shares. Not the same thing. I also
believe MS divested themselves of those shares as well.
> As far as Be goes, it is subject to the same stranglehold that
> stiffles Linux adoption. This includes decoding proprietary
> Microsoft document formats, decoding proprietary microsoft media
> formats, decoding non-microsoft proprietary media formats and
> getting support from 3rd party hardware vendors.
That doesn't seem to be preventing it from being developed.
> Furthermore, if BeOS is such a great counterexample (or even
> MacOS) then where are the MacOS and BeOS departments in
> common software retail establishments.
MacOS has a very large section of most chain stores i've seen. CompUSA,
Software Etc, Computer City (when they were in business), etc.. all have
large Mac sections.
> >Tell me, if you're running a business. Say you're selling lemonade. And
> >someone comes along and tells the world they have a new kind of lemonade
> >that is specifically designed to put you out of business. Would you not
> >take that as an act of war?
>
> This is commerce, not war.
Someone once said that business is war. I don't recall who it was. It's an
often used phrase in business.
> In a civilized society, Microsoft does not have free reign
> to do anything it damn well pleases. No one is supposed to
> have that capacity.
Of course not, but they do have a right to defend themselves from attack.
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