Linux-Advocacy Digest #448, Volume #32 Sat, 24 Feb 01 10:13:04 EST
Contents:
Now we know why Allchin was tweaked! (Tim Hanson)
Re: RTFM at M$ (Brent R)
Re: Where is suse 7.1? (Tim Hanson)
Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.) ("-hs-")
Re: State of linux distros ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Kulkis the newbie, its official! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: State of linux distros (Tim Hanson)
Re: Kulis revelation! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 101 uses for a Kulkis.. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Craig Kelley)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Craig Kelley)
Re: NT vs *nix performance ("Nik Simpson")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Peter Hayes)
Re: RTFM at M$ (Norman D. Megill)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Craig Kelley)
Re: It's just too easy (Jeff Cochran)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Now we know why Allchin was tweaked!
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:13:27 GMT
...and Microsoft, with its max thirty-two node behemoth (well, to hear
the behemoth price anyway: $3,000 per node) doesn't get a look in. It's
laughable.
This is based on GPL software, which must be why Allchin's panties were
in a knot last week to C/Net.
"The U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) today said it plans within the
next few months to install a 512-processor Linux cluster that's supposed
to be able to process 478 billion calculations per second at a computing
facility in Hawaii for use in applications such as tracking and fighting
wildfires across the country."
"The supercomputer is being built by IBM at the DOD-affiliated Maui High
Performance Computing Center and will be used by the DOD, other
government agencies and academic institutions. In addition to tracking
fires, uses eyed for the cluster include environmental research and
defense projects related to warfighting efforts."
http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/stories/0,1199,NAV47_STO58037,00.html
--
If one studies too zealously, one easily loses his pants.
-- A. Einstein.
------------------------------
From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:17:02 GMT
Tim Hanson wrote:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com&[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pub/mskb/Q209354.asp
> --
> Legislation proposed in the Illinois State Legislature, May, 1907:
> "Speed upon county roads will be limited to ten miles an hour
> unless the motorist sees a bailiff who does not appear to have had a
> drink in 30 days, when the driver will be permitted to make what he
> can."
http://www.hwnd.net/pub/mskb/Q209354.asp has the exact same page! OMG
that must mean that Microsoft is now stealing other websites!</sarcasm>
--
Happy Trails
-Brent
=============================
http://rotten168.home.att.net
=============================
ICQ# 51265871
------------------------------
From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is suse 7.1?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:17:14 GMT
"cat < nonsense > cola" wrote:
>
> A perfect example of what Linux is all about for most people.
> Getting it to work. The challenge. The victory. The thrill.
I have a working, easy installing SuSE system for my everyday. My
grandmother installed it just before she took a dump on your shoe.
Debian is not for the timid, nor is it meant to be. But you don't care;
you're just sputtering some twitspeak.
> Correlate this with the diametrically opposed view (BS) on cola where we
> hear how their "grandmother" could install and use Linux.
>
> So, are you two saying you have no more computer literacy than your
> grandmothers?
> Or will you finally admit to the pervasive BS perpetrated in cola concerning
> linux's ease of use?
>
> Neither, huh?
>
> I didn't think so.
> Carry on.
>
> "Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Mart van de Wege wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Hanson"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mart van de Wege wrote:
> > > <snip some stuff>
> > > >> YahDu (Yet another happy Debian user)
> > > >
> > > > One of the joys of SuSE is going into yast after an install /
> > > > update and picking through the new stuff, or things I'd like to
> > > > try, or the things I thought I was going to try but didn't have
> > > > the time, and the rest. I've been known to piddle away entire
> > > > weekends installing a package, shifting to another virtual to
> > > > try it out, then going to the next package. It really is
> > > > delicious fun.
> > > >
> > > > Noting your .sig, I just freed up a spare computer, hooked it
> > > > up to the LAN, and installed Debian via ftp (I love broadband
> > > > :)). So far I've got a command prompt and LILO. I'm
> > > > determined to get this thing off the ground. One of the
> > > > helpfuls is that I have SuSE still running, so I can read
> > > > online documentation as I work with it.
> > >
> > > So how do you like Debian so far? I hope the evils of dselect
> > > didn't turn you off?
> >
> > Just getting acquainted with those particular evils.:-) So far I can't
> > get X to work better than straight VGA, and I can't get a mouse either.
> >
> > BTW I just replaced the sig. It's now updated every 5 minutes
> > > using a fortune command in my crontab (fooling around learning
> > > cron).
> > >
> > > Mart
> > > --
> > > Snacktrek, n.:
> > > The peculiar habit, when searching for a snack, of constantly
> > > returning to the refrigerator in hopes that something new will
> have
> > > materialized.
> > > -- Rich Hall, "Sniglets"
> >
> > --
> > If entropy is increasing, where is it coming from?
--
If one studies too zealously, one easily loses his pants.
-- A. Einstein.
------------------------------
From: "-hs-" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:16:07 +0100
mlw a �crit dans le message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> Are you awared that the recommend maximum length for a .sig is 4 lines?
>I assume you mean "aware," ;)
Oops, I had a doubt...
--
-hs- Tabs out, spaces in.
CLC-FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html
ISO-C Library: http://www.dinkum.com/htm_cl
FAQ de FCLC : http://www.isty-info.uvsq.fr/~rumeau/fclc
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:20:05 +0000
Reefer wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Only an idiot relegates perfectly good hardware to the dustbin
> > just because some Asshole in Redmond, Washington decrees it so
>
> hardware from the late 80's is not "perfectly good hardware"
If it works, and there is an os that runs on it, it is perfectly good
hardware.
And Linux runs on hardware from the late 80s. And such hardware still
works. So why waste money binning it and buying new expensive hardware?
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Kulkis the newbie, its official!
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:23:37 +0000
woof wrote:
>
> I was on Irc #linux channel when Kulkis comes in and asks how do list
> files in his directory!
>
> Kulkis: Hello everyone, can someone help me? how do i list files in my
> directory? I dont know anything about Linux as im as thick as pig shit
> Please help, i feel lonely
Kulkis is clearly not a newbie.
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
------------------------------
From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:22:04 GMT
Reefer wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Only an idiot relegates perfectly good hardware to the dustbin
> > just because some Asshole in Redmond, Washington decrees it so
>
> hardware from the late 80's is not "perfectly good hardware"
It depends on if a person can get some use out of it. Plenty of older
systems are perfectly suited to firewalls, email servers, event
monitoring, lots of things.
--
If one studies too zealously, one easily loses his pants.
-- A. Einstein.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Kulis revelation!
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:27:32 +0000
woof wrote:
>
> I was talking to kulkis earlier and he revealed some shocking things..
>
> Me: Oi Kulkis No! Shut it
> Kulkis: Im sorry, i cant help myself, im just an argumentitive bastard
> with no friends, i smell too
> Me: I think you need help
> Kulkis: Well im currently seeking help for being a cross dressing
> shoplifter
You brain-dead, small-minded fuckwit
<snip>
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 101 uses for a Kulkis..
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:29:40 +0000
woof wrote:
>
> Well i know the guys an idiot but i was thinking there must be some use
> for him. hmm maybe...
>
> Arse Wipe - He could work in public toilets offering to clean the arses
> of incontinent men or even gays who get turned on by that
>
So, you're a fucking homophobe as well. Why does that not surprise me?
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
------------------------------
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 24 Feb 2001 07:29:09 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Mercer) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Umm... The limit is higher than that for farms and small businesses.
> >
>
> But is based on market value of the property, not upon earning
> potential. The Death Tax is a major cause of urban sprawl. As
> farmers die with land adjoining developed areas, the land evaluation is
> based on its value developed, not maintained as farm land. The heirs
> are forced to sell the land to developers, the next ring is added
> to the urban area, the interior continues to deteriorate, ad nauseum.
Agreed, but the death tax is a symptom, not a soluiton. Americans
seem to be facinated with large cities, but they do not want to live
in them. They love the museums, night clubs, amusement parks, and
clone-some-food chains (ie, Texas Roadhouse(tm), Outback(tm), The
Olive Garden(tm), etc.). The result is urban sprawl; the net
combination of the perfect assortment of convenient shopping without
having to live in the place that fuels it all.
Eliminating the death tax may have some impact on it, but I doubt it
will be significant. There used to be stawberry and orange fields
right next to Disneyland in Anaheim, but now they have strip malls
with liquour stores and Little Ceasars pizza instead. Would a ban on
the death tax prevented it? I doubt it.
I'm from LA originally; I moved to Idaho and love it here -- it makes
me sick every time I hear people complaining about wanting the
shopping that is available in larger cities. Down that path leads
homogenization of communities and urban sprawl.
> I have friends who own a house next to a farm. The have a fantastic view
> out the back window. But as soon as their elderly farmer neighbor
> shuffles off, the land will be gobbled up by developers despite the
> rather significant sinkhole (caused by an underground stream) on the
> property. Maybe they'll call the new development Sinkhole Estates.
What was the property that your friend's house was built on? Was
there not someone else who had a spectacular view before they so
rudely moved in? The desire to live in a cute suburb is a huge part
of the problem.
> Farms and small businesses are frequently cash poor and asset rich
> (even if the assets are mortgaged to the hilt).
>
> The Miami Dolphins were once owned by the man who built them from
> scratch. The Robbies' were good owners, they also tried to bring
> Major League Soccer to the US (they owned the Minnesota Kicks).
> When Joe Robbie died, the heirs were unable to hang on to a
> franchise that had grown from an investment of a few hundred thousand
> dollars to one worth hundreds of millions. And who buys it but Wayne
> Huizenga, a fatcat for whom the franchise is just another toy.
> The Robbies' gave it their lifesblood, but TS.
And on the other side of the coin we have the Rockerfeller's and the
Kennedy's who just grow on the remains of the previous generations.
They know how to play tax-shelter games such that they don't need to
worry about the estate taxes. If the death tax isn't taken away, all
the loopholes should be revoked such that everyone has to live by the
same rules (even Teddy Kennedy).
> If Estate Taxes really did prevent hereditary wealth, I would
> favor them. But the Rockefeller's are still rich. The Kennedy's
> are still rich. So are the Dupont's and the Dow's and the
> Carnegie's and the Mellon's. And why? Because they can afford to
> buy the politicians to put in the loopholes, and buy the accountants
> to find the loopholes.
>
> But, I am not bitter.
Amen.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:40:56 +0000
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Edward Rosten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : Those are perfectly normal errors: you have no cos function. You need to
> : link against the maths library as well as #including the header.
>
> : gcc -lm ...
>
> The "0lm" trick sure did it. Just tested it on another virtual console.
> Thanks! Fun easier quesation. Why isn't it in degrees as is the standard?
>
In short, radians are more often used in mathematics. Radians do have
some useful properties, particularly in keeping formulae simple (eg the
area of a segment of a circle is rT, where r is the radius and T is the
angle in radians subtended at the centre, if T is in degrees there is an
ugly constant involved)
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
------------------------------
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: 24 Feb 2001 07:40:14 -0700
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <976cgt$drc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > : So there are one set of drivers for CUPS and one set for The Gimp... any
> > : more applications that ship with drivers for printers? Does any of this
> > : sound _wrong_ to anyone?
> >
> > Yup. It sounds like you got it wrong. The drivers GIMP is using are
> > the same drivers everyone else could use if they felt like it, they
> > just aren't dumb enough to want to.
>
> I got it wrong?!? Surely you mean Linux Mandrake got it wrong? Or The
> Gimp?
Give it up Pete.
Install PageMaker for Windows and come back to tell us about the
printing on it.
Certain layout applications use their own printer definitions so that
WYSIWYG actually works correctly.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
------------------------------
Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:42:48 -0500
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <3a97347b$0$2432$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jan Johanson wrote:
> >
> >"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> ><snip good stuff>
> >>
> >> What I find hillarious about this is the author appearently
> >> has never heard of HOT MAIL and how Microsoft has been trying
> >> for the last decade to replace the FreeBSD servers which RUN
> >> HOTMAIL with Windows counterparts.
> >
> >given that hotmail isn't a decade old we find our very first problem with
> >this lie.
>
>
> It might not be exactly 10 years old. It's pretty close.
I'd be surprised if it's five years old, six tops.
--
Nik Simpson
------------------------------
From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,demon.local
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:38:17 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:54:12 +0000, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> So if someone were to anonamously start mailing ROT13 UUENCODED gifs or
> >> other random stuff and entitled it 'SECRET ENCRYPTED BUCKINGHAM BOMB
> >> PLANS' to random British (l)users, the random British (l)users could
> >> get arrested?
> >
> > Only if they can't produce decryption keys.
> >
> > There was a suggestion to mail Jack Straw, the Home Secretary
> > responsible for the Act, with encrypted files, then anonymously inform
> > the authorities that he was in possession of said files. He couldn't
> > produce the keys, so 2 years in the slammer.
> >
> > Of course, you can't tell anyone about this or you get 5 years.
>
> I don't know what your refering to about the 5 year sentance? I have't
> heard of this bit.
Goto
http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm section 53
(4) A person who makes a disclosure to any other person of anything that he
is required by a section 49 notice to keep secret shall be guilty of an
offence and liable-
(a) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding
five years or to a fine, or to both
Peter
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman D. Megill)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:56:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>Tim Hanson wrote:
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com&[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pub/mskb/Q209354.asp
>> --
>
>Looks like they've been h4x0r3d ;-)
Wow.
And this spite of the fact that they've recently become so paranoid
they're even blocking pings:
$ ping microsoft.com
no answer from microsoft.com
I guess this doesn't speak well for their $6000 per CPU enterprise
firewall software they've just released:
<http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4819365.html>
"Microsoft uncloaks new security software"
"With network security concerns rising, Microsoft on Wednesday
released new security software featuring firewall and Web-caching
technology intended to protect corporate networks."
"The Internet Security and Acceleration (ISA) server marks Microsoft's
first significant push into the information technology security area and
is the security piece of the software giant's .Net Enterprise Server
product line, the company said in a statement."
$ traceroute microsoft.com
1 lynn2-br1-fa2-0-0-1.wharf.shore.net (207.244.124.10) 234.475 ms 134.687 ms
1.670 ms
2 lynn2-cr3-f0-0.wharf.shore.net (207.244.95.37) 0.661 ms 0.691 ms 0.533 ms
3 cmbr1-br1-s0-0-0.wharf.shore.net (207.244.95.14) 91.571 ms 224.229 ms 105.516
ms
4 209.67.246.205 (209.67.246.205) 2.337 ms 2.251 ms 2.214 ms
5 dcr04-p0-0.wlhm01.exodus.net (64.14.70.45) 2.204 ms 3.317 ms 2.717 ms
6 bbr01-g1-0.wlhm01.exodus.net (64.14.70.51) 2.508 ms 2.496 ms 2.205 ms
7 bbr02-p2-0.okbr01.exodus.net (216.32.132.209) 24.440 ms 24.536 ms 24.622ms
8 bbr01-g4-0.okbr01.exodus.net (216.34.183.97) 25.595 ms 24.589 ms 24.649 ms
9 bbr02-p3-0.sttl01.exodus.net (216.32.132.89) 70.668 ms 71.385 ms 71.185 ms
10 ibr01-g5-0.sttl01.exodus.net (216.32.29.21) 71.675 ms 70.924 ms 70.845 ms
11 exodus-px.microsoft.com (209.185.9.238) 71.634 ms 71.953 ms 71.749 ms
12 207.46.190.109 (207.46.190.109) 72.108 ms 71.833 ms 72.115 ms
13 icpmscomc7503-a0-00-1.cp.msft.net (207.46.129.5) 72.278 ms 73.076 ms 73.179 ms
14 * * * <-- this must be their ping firewall powered by ISA
=======================================================================
(If they have anything on the ball at all, the page will probably be
gone by the time you read this, so here is a text extract of its
contents for your amusement:)
[top of page]
[Microsoft Product Support Services logo]
All Products | Support | Search | microsoft.com Home | Bestiality.Net
Support Home | Self Support | Self Abuse | Assisted Support | Custom
Support | Worldwide Support |
[main body]
HOWTO: Read the Fucking Manual
The information in this article applies to:
General Lamers
Prerequisites:
The ability to Read
Basic Brain Function
SUMMARY
This article demonstrates how to read the fucking manual, as
popularised by the RTFM directive.
SYMPTOMS
After asking a truly pathetic question, you are instructed to RTFM:-
*** Lamer (~[EMAIL PROTECTED]) has joined #visualbasic
[10:24] <Lamer> How do i [Your obvious/lame question]?
[10:25] <@oper> RTFM bitch
*** Lamer was kicked by @oper (fuckwit)
[10:27] <VBg0d> i made a irc client!!!!!!
*** assmaster83 (~[EMAIL PROTECTED]) invites you
to join #animalsex
[10:27] <Guest50468> VBg0d, c00l, i made a webbrowser!!
CAUSE
Lameness
MORE INFORMATION
Step-by-Step Procedures
Locate a Manual, either in printed form or on your MSDN CD's, if
you're a punk/bitch/h4x0r and don't have the MSDN collection on
disk, view the online version at msdn.microsoft.com/library/
Using either the Index or Search feature, locate a keyword
relating to you're question/problem
If you're using a printed manual, flip to the page(s) as detailed in
your search of the index, alternatively, if you're using the MSDN
library, click the link(s) in the search results window.
Read the information. If you have problems understanding the
information, read it again. Repeat until enlightenment is
achieved.
REFERENCES
For additional information, please see the following articles in the
Microsoft Knowledge Base:
Q166392 HOWTO: Read
Q147875 HOWTO: Apply for employment with McDonalds
[link to http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/careers/index.html]
Q171146 HOWTO: Convert absolutely everything to XML
Q181290 HOWTO: Add a #, + or .Net to your old software
to keep it cutting edge
Q102496 INFO: How to use the HOWTO's HOWTO
document
Additional query words: XML l33t fool dumbass lamer monkey semen
bigAl[work] Lurve god
Version : 1.6�
Platform : Thing to stand on
Issue type : Type of Issue
Technology : Limited
Last Reviewed: February 23, 2000
� 2000 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Terms of Use.
New: The CorporateWarfare.net SDK for win64/Itanium
[In the right-hand column:]
Article ID: Q209354
Last Reviewed:
February 23, 2000
Send to a friend
Provided by
Microsoft Product Support
Services
Send us email
[link to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Did the information in this
article help answer your
question?
o I see the light!
o Not even close
o I can't read
Please provide some more
information we can ignore
[Text input form]
[Submit button]
=======================================================================
--Norm
------------------------------
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: 24 Feb 2001 07:57:40 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) writes:
> I'm pretty sure one can even run a window manager "over the wire" (I
> wouldn't want to, because my bandwidth sucks) and get reasonably
> good results.
Ssh into a box.
Run this command:
Xnest -query HOSTNAME :1
(where HOSTNAME is some machine running xdm, gdm or kdm; ususally the
same box)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
------------------------------
From: Jeff Cochran
Subject: Re: It's just too easy
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:08:14 -0500
>It's too easy. This has been my experience (more or less) with adding
>hardware since RH5.2 (my forst distro). This is why I am skeptical about
>the wintrolls with all these problems. I've simply never had them.
I have. Building a system to work as a NAT/Router. Redhat 6.1. New
install, new system, all supported hardware. Two Intel Pro/100 NIC's.
For the life of me, could not get Redhat to recognize the second NIC,
even with tech support from Redhat and numerous newgroup suggestions.
Blew away the Linux setup I'd been fustrated with for six days,
dropped a W2K Adv. Server CD in the drive, turned the system on and 45
minutes later it was routing and NAT'ing just fine, with no software
other than what was on the Microsoft CD and all I had to do was enter
IP addressing and routing information.
Most Linux distro setup routines have come a long way, but they're not
as refined as Microsoft, Novell, or even Solaris. I'd love to not
send Microsoft a check for server licensing, but the time I lost in
that one instance would have paid for my server license several times
over.
Don't get me wrong, I've had good luck with Linux distros at times as
well, and have had bad experiences with MS products. A Mandrake
install on a system to be used for firewalling went through extremely
well, even though I eventually opted to use a different hardware-based
firewall because the Linux security issues bothered me. The
Linux-based web servers were fine as well, even though they'd been
around since Slackware 2.1 came out, and they'd still be in place if
Chilisoft had their ASP product when we were starting developing ASP.
In fact, I'm currently working on a business case to replace NT file
and print servers with Linux systems, if I can justify it.
Unfortunately the argument "Linux is better because Microsoft is evil"
doesn't have much weight, and I need numbers that justify the change.
But that's another post.
Jeff
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list by posting to comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Advocacy Digest
******************************
