Linux-Advocacy Digest #447, Volume #32 Sat, 24 Feb 01 09:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: VA Linux cuts 25 per cent of staff, sees 212% increase in revenue loss ("Adam
Warner")
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Bloody Viking)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. ("-hs-")
Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.) ("-hs-")
Re: Where is suse 7.1? (Tim Hanson)
Re: Kulis revelation! (Tim Hanson)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: State of linux distros ("Reefer")
Re: How much do you *NEED*? (Brent R)
Re: State of linux distros ("Reefer")
Re: NT vs *nix performance (mlw)
Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.) (mlw)
Re: How much do you *NEED*? (Brent R)
Re: Where is suse 7.1? ("cat cola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Re: How much do you *NEED*? (Brent R)
Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.) ("cat cola"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 06:30:02 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <976oqq$ani$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >I've been doing some reading on Java when I encountered this article:
<snip happens>
> >
> >on http://www.tpc.org/tpcw/results/tpcw_perf_results.asp
> >How come IIS run on DYNIX?
> >
>
> What I find hillarious about this is the author appearently
> has never heard of HOT MAIL and how Microsoft has been trying
> for the last decade to replace the FreeBSD servers which RUN
> HOTMAIL with Windows counterparts.
>
> They spent several million dollars in those attempts also.
> The last attempt was with Windows 2000.
>
> And they all failed. They can't keep the system up for
> more than 3-4 days. And rebooting thousands of boxes
> is completely crazy.
>
> And at the rate Linux is obiously whooping up on MS asses
> at the marketplace, anybody who's waiting for affordable,
> workable scalability thru Microsoft will have to wait
> for Christ to return to get it.
No...not even Christ can salvage the demon-infested OS
>
> --
> Charlie
>
> **DEBIAN** **GNU**
> / / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
> / /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
> /_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
> http://www.debian.org
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 06:33:18 -0500
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> I just tried a simple trig thing on my Linux box but the gcc compiler gave me
> some error, despite having math.h added as the libraries. More bizarre, my
> UNIX ISP had exactly the same problem with the same seemingly simple proggie.
>
> I'm fully sure it's a stupid=shit problem on my part. Here's the code:
>
> ---begin---
> @include <stdio.h>
> @include <math.h>
/* try these instead */
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
> float angle, hypoteneuse, output;
> main()
> {
> printf("input the angle");
> scanf("%f", &angle);
> printf("input the hypoteneuse");
> scanf("%f", &hypoteneuse);
> output = cos(angle);
> printf("%f\n", output);
> }
> ---end code---
>
> When I try to compile it, the gcc compiler gives out wierd errors, not, say
> syntax errors or the like. What's wrong? Is it my not making the cos thing
> right or what? Trig has some significant uses is real life, not just for a
> case of a school going ape-shit over math. With trig use, it is possible with
> needed equipment to reverse engineer glasses prescriptions, ballistics, etc.
>
> For clues, here are the wierd errors:
> ---begin---
> /tmp/cca262191.o: In function 'main':
> /tmp/cca252191.o(.text+0x51): undefined reference to 'cos'
> ---end error---
>
> I'm runnin' Slackware 3.0 with the 2.0.0 kernel, which is awful ancient by
> now. I have a Slackware 7.2 album ready to use, so if I have to upgeade I
> can. I would like to see a solution in this case so I can carry it onto the
> upgrade. Trig has become "strategic" and I want my computer to do it.
>
> I'm fully sure that it is misconfigured as of now and my discovery awaited
> my need for trig use.
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VA Linux cuts 25 per cent of staff, sees 212% increase in revenue loss
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:01:43 +1300
Hi Jan Johanson,
<snip>
> I mean - hell, say Linux makes some kind of surge in the server OS
> business.
OK. That's not a difficult scenario to imagine.
> OK, no problem - next day; Windows XP Datacenter, $10 for CD duplication
> and shipping/handling fees. Office XP Premium for $15. They'll sell a
> jillion copies as people rush to come close to licensing compliance and
> enjoy the good stuff for practially free.
Quite a discount there Jan. So Microsoft stays a software superpower by
distributing their software at duplication cost/handling fees (and thus at
an overall loss because of other overheads)? Nice strategy there.
> So, what idiot CTO is going to walk into that board room and say: "Hey
> guys, we can save $10 by using Linux instead of W2K!" - hahaha - you
> know, that's about as silly as when a CTO for a multibillion dollar
> company with a $50 million dollar a year IT budget says,
> "Say, we can save $10,000 by using linux instead of W2K Server"
You're the one who made up the scenario Jan.
> (ignoring for the moment the user rebellion and the TCO nightmare of
> hiring hippies).
What a disparaging remark.
> Whenever I hear ANYONE talk about "Linux, cause it's free (as in free
> beer)" I have to laugh because that comment makes it PEFECTLY clear to
> me what type of person I'm talking to - it's a basement computer hack.
<snip>
Actually that's free software, as in _freedom_, not free beer. That's the
whole point.
You might also want to consider calculating costs as a discounted sum of
lifetime licensing costs. If Microsoft is able to achieve vendor lock-in
by giving away software at a single point in time while aiming to charge
high fees for any bug fixes/upgrades then the discounted cost of licensing
software from that vendor over the lifetime of the company will be little
different (unless you propose that Microsoft makes a pledge to sell its
software at cost indefinitely?)
Regards,
Adam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: 24 Feb 2001 12:41:40 GMT
Edward Rosten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Those are perfectly normal errors: you have no cos function. You need to
: link against the maths library as well as #including the header.
: gcc -lm ...
The "0lm" trick sure did it. Just tested it on another virtual console.
Thanks! Fun easier quesation. Why isn't it in degrees as is the standard?
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: "-hs-" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:08:40 +0100
Bloody Viking a �crit dans le message <978a64$r1q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
[about cos() in math.h> ]
>Why isn't it in degrees as is the standard?
To avoid the question "Why isn't it in radians as is the standard?"
--
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From: "-hs-" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:11:19 +0100
Aaron Kulkis a �crit dans le message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
> but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
>
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
Are you awared that the recommend maximum length for a .sig is 4 lines?
--
-hs- Tabs out, spaces in.
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From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is suse 7.1?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:16:25 GMT
Mart van de Wege wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Hanson"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Mart van de Wege wrote:
> <snip some stuff>
> >> YahDu (Yet another happy Debian user)
> >
> > One of the joys of SuSE is going into yast after an install /
> > update and picking through the new stuff, or things I'd like to
> > try, or the things I thought I was going to try but didn't have
> > the time, and the rest. I've been known to piddle away entire
> > weekends installing a package, shifting to another virtual to
> > try it out, then going to the next package. It really is
> > delicious fun.
> >
> > Noting your .sig, I just freed up a spare computer, hooked it
> > up to the LAN, and installed Debian via ftp (I love broadband
> > :)). So far I've got a command prompt and LILO. I'm
> > determined to get this thing off the ground. One of the
> > helpfuls is that I have SuSE still running, so I can read
> > online documentation as I work with it.
>
> So how do you like Debian so far? I hope the evils of dselect
> didn't turn you off?
Just getting acquainted with those particular evils.:-) So far I can't
get X to work better than straight VGA, and I can't get a mouse either.
BTW I just replaced the sig. It's now updated every 5 minutes
> using a fortune command in my crontab (fooling around learning
> cron).
>
> Mart
> --
> Snacktrek, n.:
> The peculiar habit, when searching for a snack, of constantly
> returning to the refrigerator in hopes that something new will have
> materialized.
> -- Rich Hall, "Sniglets"
--
If entropy is increasing, where is it coming from?
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From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kulis revelation!
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:23:48 GMT
mmnnoo wrote:
>
> The only way Kulkis' reputation will suffer from your babbling is if we
> find out that he and you are one and the same.
I'm sure that having a bad reputation on that authoritative standard of
spontaneous Pulitzer quality journalism, c.o.l.a., would ruin his day.
--
If entropy is increasing, where is it coming from?
------------------------------
From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:24:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >I'm not making them up. Someone complains about Linux and admits to liking
> >Windows - take a good look at the reaction they get. Is that making it up?
>
> Yes, it surely is. No amount of squirming on your part is going to
> change the nature of your rhetoric; there is no "dogma", merely beliefs.
> All sorts of different people believe different things; claiming that
> the reason they believe it is because it is "dogma" is tantamount to
> simply not having an argument.
Who's squirming around? The facts are there. You can't seem to see them -
therefore I accuse you of a dogmatic approach.
> No, I discount your argument by saying I'm squirming around; there's no
> "try" about it. Your silly prattling on about "dogma" is as I described
> it: a tired insinuation. Claiming your opponent is "just being
> prejudiced", despite lengthy and relatively rational debate is not a
> good technique for doing anything except squirming around pinned to the
> carpet, for future reference.
For future reference? So that you can drag it up and portray it as a good
reason for something you want to support?
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:29:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Indeed. And when a person, in a Star Trek movie or otherwise,
> repetitively makes exaggerated claims, what do you call them? A
> compulsive liar.
An exaggeration is hardly a compulsive lie - but then we are talking your
narrow minded little world aren't we?
> If your behavior here is to exaggerate, willfully and repetitively, in
> order to goad others into unreasoning responses, you are a troll. If
> you don't realize that is your behavior here, you are a buffoon.
That is not my behaviour - that is how you characterise it, and want
other people to believe it by your amazing use of the english language.
> If you think you're opening anybody's eyes, then you have your blinders
> on.
I'm certainly not opening yours, now am I? You who do not want to believe
or accept anything I say, other than to belittle it or label it as
"trolling".
> >And all the while you don't even bother to go and read the articles in
> >question. Now who's being dishonest?
>
> I'm completely honest and open about the fact that I consider reading
> those articles to be a waste of my time, as even if they are not trolls,
> they would probably not sufficiently support your point to merit your
> pretentiousness.
And this is the first time you've even mentioned you've read these
articles. I'm amazed that you consider them to be a waste of time, or
mark them as trolling. Is anything that is against Linux to be marked as
"trolling" - oh dear, now we're back to dogma again.
> Your discussion went from "Another Linux 'Oopsie'" to the Gimp's
> counter-intuitive default printer configuration to now 'Mandrake's
> newest distro is horrible and see all the Usenet posts which prove it'.
> I think who's being dishonest is rather apparent.
You twist the facts to suit your argument. Very clever. Now because we've
wandered off topic (which happens in most long discussions) suddenly I'm
dishonest because of that. Since I did not direct the flow, I think it is
even more apparent who is being dishonest here.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:33:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Translation: Pete SABOTAGED his system again by not making ALL of the
> appropriate changes.
Which Pete? I never sabotaged _my_ system, The Gimp made its own
assumptions about the printer.
> Hey, Pete...does LoseDOS even give the option of naming your printers
> how YOU want them named?
And why is naming my printer of any great interest to me? Why should I
care what it's called. I've only got one printer port on my PC.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:34:43 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Those aren't "drivers", they're mere lp commands. I can understand the
> notion that learning lp commands is a tremendous burden on the user, but
> if the only alternative is monopoly crapware, then make your choices and
> save your second-guessing anybody else's, because you're screwed either
> way. But one way of getting screwed costs you money and feeds the
> problem; the other makes you smarter and eliminates the problem.
Straight into your dogma...
> Recognizing (through the effort of not second-guessing anyone) that not
> everyone has the "moral fiber" or "strength of will" or whatever to
> overcome their ignorance and, worse, confusion, is simply a matter of
> double-checking the market (and noticing that there are some who love
> Linux, and even lp) until the monopoly is destroyed, and then watching
> what happens when competition is restored. Because that's what fixes
> these "little things"; not trolling on Usenet.
And again! Good grief!
--
Pete
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From: "Reefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:42:11 GMT
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Only an idiot relegates perfectly good hardware to the dustbin
> just because some Asshole in Redmond, Washington decrees it so
hardware from the late 80's is not "perfectly good hardware"
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How much do you *NEED*?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:47:18 GMT
Angel Iglesias wrote:
<snip>
>
> Outlook virii under NT/2000 don't use to do that if properly configured
> system.
So... you're saying that I need to buy a new operating system just to
get decent security? That's bullsh!t. That's criminal and it should be
illegal. It makes you wonder if Redmond engineers obsolescence by
intentionally leaving in security leaks. No, I have Windows 98 and I
don't feel I should need to upgrade just to get security (unless
Microsoft fixed the OE thing for 98 and I don't know about it).
<snip>
--
Happy Trails
-Brent
=============================
http://rotten168.home.att.net
=============================
ICQ# 51265871
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From: "Reefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:50:41 GMT
"pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> If it is a "superior" os - let me ask you this:
> If you have a faulty RAM chip, would windows be able to map around
> the bad addresses so that you can continue to use it?
with a ECC-stick? ...yes!
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:55:42 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
[snip]
TPC benchmarks are of a database environment, not of operating systems. Anyone
who ties OS performance to TPC benchmarking is an idiot. They are completely
tied to hardware, infrastructure, and database environments, both "as built"
and core technology. Very little has to do with the actual OS.
That being said, there is one thing that is not reflected in TPC benchmarks,
which IS OS related, is stability. NT is no match for any UNIX for stability.
Lastly, TPC results are a members-only set of numbers. Many systems do not run
TPC benchmarks, nor need be able.
Meaningless benchmarks, are, of course, just that.
--
The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time.
The terror of their tyranny, however, is alleviated by their lack of
consistency.
-- Albert Einstein
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:01:08 -0500
-hs- wrote:
>
> Are you awared that the recommend maximum length for a .sig is 4 lines?
I assume you mean "aware," ;) and yes I am sure he is, however, if he is not
embarrassed by the content, I doubt the length is an issue.
--
The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time.
The terror of their tyranny, however, is alleviated by their lack of
consistency.
-- Albert Einstein
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How much do you *NEED*?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:57:42 GMT
Flacco wrote:
>
> > Are you confused by English, with all of its rules and funny spellings? Do
> > you know when you're getting your chain yanked, and do you often think
> your
> > getting you're chain yanked? Would you know the difference? Do apostrophes
> > make you cringe?
>
> I'll leave the search for irony to the reader.
OK so he missed one, but Charlie missed EVERY SINGLE ONE. I felt like I
was reading a post by a 14 year old, I must now go and play a few hours
of HOMM3 to feel smart again.
Could someone tell me why one would use a phrase like "dick rammed up
their butts" when trying to advocate Linux to businesses?
--
Happy Trails
-Brent
=============================
http://rotten168.home.att.net
=============================
ICQ# 51265871
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From: "cat < nonsense > cola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is suse 7.1?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:03:10 -0500
A perfect example of what Linux is all about for most people.
Getting it to work. The challenge. The victory. The thrill.
Correlate this with the diametrically opposed view (BS) on cola where we
hear how their "grandmother" could install and use Linux.
So, are you two saying you have no more computer literacy than your
grandmothers?
Or will you finally admit to the pervasive BS perpetrated in cola concerning
linux's ease of use?
Neither, huh?
I didn't think so.
Carry on.
"Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mart van de Wege wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Hanson"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Mart van de Wege wrote:
> > <snip some stuff>
> > >> YahDu (Yet another happy Debian user)
> > >
> > > One of the joys of SuSE is going into yast after an install /
> > > update and picking through the new stuff, or things I'd like to
> > > try, or the things I thought I was going to try but didn't have
> > > the time, and the rest. I've been known to piddle away entire
> > > weekends installing a package, shifting to another virtual to
> > > try it out, then going to the next package. It really is
> > > delicious fun.
> > >
> > > Noting your .sig, I just freed up a spare computer, hooked it
> > > up to the LAN, and installed Debian via ftp (I love broadband
> > > :)). So far I've got a command prompt and LILO. I'm
> > > determined to get this thing off the ground. One of the
> > > helpfuls is that I have SuSE still running, so I can read
> > > online documentation as I work with it.
> >
> > So how do you like Debian so far? I hope the evils of dselect
> > didn't turn you off?
>
> Just getting acquainted with those particular evils.:-) So far I can't
> get X to work better than straight VGA, and I can't get a mouse either.
>
> BTW I just replaced the sig. It's now updated every 5 minutes
> > using a fortune command in my crontab (fooling around learning
> > cron).
> >
> > Mart
> > --
> > Snacktrek, n.:
> > The peculiar habit, when searching for a snack, of constantly
> > returning to the refrigerator in hopes that something new will
have
> > materialized.
> > -- Rich Hall, "Sniglets"
>
> --
> If entropy is increasing, where is it coming from?
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How much do you *NEED*?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:05:51 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
<snip>
> Because Linux's desktop has not caught up to Windows.
Well, the Linux desktop is a lot cooler than Windows. It's a lot more
configurable, but that's IMO of course.
My main problem with the Linux console is that it's not as attractive as
the Window's desktop. Reading aliased font all the time feels like I'm
back in the Windows 3.x era. GNOME/Enlightment is a little better than
KDE, and I heard they're in development for anti-aliasing. Until that
happens I'll stick with Windows for gaming/browsing and Linux for real
productivity.
--
Happy Trails
-Brent
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From: "cat < nonsense > cola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:11:09 -0500
You are only encouraging this obviously troubled individual. Just do what
most do when faced with perverse and irrational human behavior --Walk away
shaking your head and then banish this never-ending, self serving, patently
ignorant, olfactory offensive, bandwidth wasting written trash to the bit
bucket of Usenet. Please don't feed the mentally ill, unless it's a hockey
puck sized Prozac.
[patient K's hideous signature snipped]
> Are you awared that the recommend maximum length for a .sig is 4 lines?
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