Linux-Advocacy Digest #451, Volume #32 Sat, 24 Feb 01 16:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Bloody Viking)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (ZnU)
Re: RTFM at M$ (Brent R)
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Bloody Viking)
Re: It's just too easy (J Sloan)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] ("Chad Myers")
Re: It's just too easy (J Sloan)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Richard Heathfield)
Re: How much do you *NEED*? (J Sloan)
Re: Where is suse 7.1? (J Sloan)
Re: State of linux distros (J Sloan)
Re: RTFM at M$ (Tim Hanson)
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: The Windows guy. (J Sloan)
Re: Which Linux? (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Shane Phelps)
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ (Brent R)
Re: RTFM at M$ (Shane Phelps)
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (Bob Hauck)
Re: RTFM at M$ (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Woofbert)
Re: RTFM at M$ (Mig)
Re: RTFM at M$ (Chris Ahlstrom)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: 24 Feb 2001 19:10:37 GMT
-hs- ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: To avoid the question "Why isn't it in radians as is the standard?"
So, it is in radians. Now that I know about the "-lm" switch for the compile,
I get to make a degree2radian conversion line to add to my code. Something
off-topic is that the TI-86 calculator out of the box defaults to radians.
(you set it to degrees)
Here's a chance to correct (and flame) me. Last time I checked, a full circle
is 3.1415926.... radians, that being pi number radians to equal 360 degrees.
Time to add the conversion line to my little programme.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:12:01 GMT
In article <9790m5$jhi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jonathan Hendry"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:96ri2n$p20$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> Drop shadow mouse cursors!
> > >>
> > >> Fading menus!
> > >
> > > Ohhhh, actually I have one:
> > >
> > > Menu items that don't show up: in MS-office 2000 if you click on
> > > the menu's - you (wait for it) don't see all the menu items! Yes
> > > - it is true - you have to physically move your mouse cursor
> > > down the menu - indicating that you'd like to "reveal" all the
> > > menu options.
> > >
> > > Obviously the programmers knew it was brain-dead as they have
> > > added the option to disable this default annoyance.
> > >
> > > Now if that is not an innovation - what is?
> >
> > I'll agree, that is definitely new. But as innovations go, it's
> > pretty poor.
>
> It must be a code geek's answer to the frequent complaint that
> Microsoft apps have so many features that the average person will
> never use.
Microsoft's answer to the complaint that MS products are full of
features of questionable usefulness is to add another feature of
questionable usefulness. Great.
> Win2K's start menu can do the same thing. It's awful.
--
This universe shipped by weight, not volume. Some expansion may have
occurred during shipment.
ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:15:20 GMT
Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >http://www.microsoft.com&[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pub/mskb/Q209354.asp
>
> I got 404... have they "fixed" it?
>
> (I also got 404 for the other one posted in this thread)
>
> --
> cu,
> Bruce
>
> drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
Yeah looks like MS "fixed" their "hack".
--
Happy Trails
-Brent
=============================
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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ICQ# 51265871
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:26:28 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Good answer, would like to add....
Jan Francsi wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I think, you need some kind of database.
> Read about sql and relational Databases.
> As a server you can use a Linux box with mysql.
There is also postgresql and msql....personally I use postgresql, but
msql might be better if its a small and simple database.
> On the client side, you can create
> - software in C with qt2 lib's for graphical GUI
You can use any interface library here...in fact there is gnome-db if you
can get it to work (I couldn't but YMMV) that offers some abstraction
with SQL databases....glade is supposed to have gnome-db soon (maybe
already).
> - html with java or php to make the Database accesable in any Browser.
> In that case you will need the Apache www server on your server.
Personally I would rate PHP over Java.
> For system-service use SSH, Telnet and webmin, a verry nice www
> (intranet) aplication.
Use SSH, not telnet ... only use telnet if you don't mind passwords being
sent in the clear :P
Also if your going to tie in Win2k (yuck!) then look into LDAP......you
might find it useful.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: 24 Feb 2001 19:25:04 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: In short, radians are more often used in mathematics. Radians do have
: some useful properties, particularly in keeping formulae simple (eg the
: area of a segment of a circle is rT, where r is the radius and T is the
: angle in radians subtended at the centre, if T is in degrees there is an
: ugly constant involved)
So, THAT'S why radians are used by high-end mathematicians. The "ugly
constant" as you describe is the degrees to radians conversion constant, which
will be pi/360. That feature of radians would be useful for orbital mechanics
whereby at perigee the area of satellite motion and the planet's centre of
gravity over a second will equal that area at apogee, so you can determine
speed at the any point in an orbit if you know it at any one spot.
A fun factoid is that orbital mechanics was once called "celestial mechanics"
but is now too useful to us Earthlings as we launch all manner of small
functional "moons" to the point Earth has a ring 22,300 miles up.
(geosynchronous orbit) Newton never figured that his "celectial mechanics"
would be of _military_ significance. (spy sats)
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's just too easy
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:28:33 GMT
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Jeff, Cochran wrote:
> >
> > I have. Building a system to work as a NAT/Router. Redhat 6.1. New
> > install, new system, all supported hardware. Two Intel Pro/100 NIC's.
> > For the life of me, could not get Redhat to recognize the second NIC,
> > even with tech support from Redhat and numerous newgroup suggestions.
> > Blew away the Linux setup I'd been fustrated with for six days,
> > dropped a W2K Adv. Server CD in the drive, turned the system on and 45
> > minutes later it was routing and NAT'ing just fine, with no software
> > other than what was on the Microsoft CD and all I had to do was enter
> > IP addressing and routing information.
>
> With RedHat 6.2, I was able to do what you tried, very easily.
Yes, and I was able to do that easily with Red Hat 7.0 as well.
I've set up a number of systems like this for small businesses;
in every case it's been very straightforward, zero maintenance
after the fact, and best of all, no microsoft tax, ever.
Jeff Cochran's tale is just a little too fishy in the light of my
experiences - I mean, really, "I tried microsoft and just like
magic all my problems disappeared"
jjs
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:13:49 GMT
"Shane Phelps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad,
>
> We're still waiting for all this evidence about shoddy encryption in SSH
>
> Please enlighten us
>
> BTW, I've taken the liberty of cross-posting this to comp.security.ssh
> :-)
I've already listed the exploits. They may have been patched, but how
many systems out there are patched? If SSH is so great, why then does
it have so many vulnerabilities?
Why is SSH1 considered "fundamentally flawed" by its own makers?
-Chad
>
> Shane Phelps wrote:
> >
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
> > > "Ketil Z Malde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [ snip ]
>
> > > > > We still use telnet
> > > >
> > > > Only if you're really backwards. It's called ssh these days.
> > >
> > > Same difference. Same 70's technologies. This is great, I love
> > > how you guys think that SSH is some major advancement. It's
> > > still telnet, just with encryption, and shoddy encryption at that!
> > >
> >
> > How is it shoddy? The only real vulnerability is the possibility of
> > MitM attacks at the original key exchange.
> > There was a big flap on comp.security.ssh. a year or so back when
> > it was thought a vulnerability may have been found, but it turned out
> > to be a red herring.
> > Ssh is very widely used, not just in the Unix world. I'd like to know
> > how you feel it's vulnerable.
> >
> > [ snip the rest ]
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's just too easy
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:37:05 GMT
Jeff, Cochran wrote:
> I have. Building a system to work as a NAT/Router. Redhat 6.1. New
> install, new system, all supported hardware. Two Intel Pro/100 NIC's.
> For the life of me, could not get Redhat to recognize the second NIC,
> even with tech support from Redhat and numerous newgroup suggestions.
Sorry, that simply makes no sense - I've slapped together a
number of Red Hat nat/router systems and I've never seen the
problem you describe - In fact, I'm posting this message from
my home nat router, with (drumroll... ) 2 intel eepro1000 nics.
> Blew away the Linux setup I'd been fustrated with for six days,
> dropped a W2K Adv. Server CD in the drive, turned the system on and 45
> minutes later it was routing and NAT'ing just fine, with no software
> other than what was on the Microsoft CD and all I had to do was enter
> IP addressing and routing information.
I have a win 2k box here and it's no panacea.
With Linux, I pop in the CDROM, power up the virgin
machine, and half an hour later, I have a secure
workstation/nat/router box, ready to rock and roll.
My time is too valuable to futz around w/ something else -
> In fact, I'm currently working on a business case to replace NT file
> and print servers with Linux systems, if I can justify it.
> Unfortunately the argument "Linux is better because Microsoft is evil"
Who told you to say that? sounds like a personal issue.
>
> doesn't have much weight, and I need numbers that justify the change.
> But that's another post.
Gee, let's see, how about TCO?
Price/performance?
jjs
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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:37:19 +0000
From: Richard Heathfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> -hs- ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : To avoid the question "Why isn't it in radians as is the standard?"
>
> So, it is in radians. Now that I know about the "-lm" switch for the compile,
> I get to make a degree2radian conversion line to add to my code. Something
> off-topic is that the TI-86 calculator out of the box defaults to radians.
> (you set it to degrees)
>
> Here's a chance to correct (and flame) me. Last time I checked, a full circle
> is 3.1415926.... radians, that being pi number radians to equal 360 degrees.
> Time to add the conversion line to my little programme.
Not just yet! :-)
There are 2 pi radians in a full circle, so the conversion is pi /
180.0:
double deg_to_rad(double degrees)
{
return degrees * 3.14159265358979323846 / 180.0;
}
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place." - Dennis M Ritchie, 29 July 1999.
C FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html
K&R answers, C books, etc: http://users.powernet.co.uk/eton
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How much do you *NEED*?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:44:06 GMT
Brent R wrote:
> Pete Goodwin wrote:
> <snip>
> > Because Linux's desktop has not caught up to Windows.
>
> Well, the Linux desktop is a lot cooler than Windows. It's a lot more
> configurable, but that's IMO of course.
>
> My main problem with the Linux console is that it's not as attractive as
> the Window's desktop.
Well, let's compare apples to apples. The console is
80x25 text, but Linux also has a graphical environment.
> Reading aliased font all the time feels like I'm
> back in the Windows 3.x era. GNOME/Enlightment is a little better than
> KDE, and I heard they're in development for anti-aliasing.
Ah, so you knew about X windows then - not the same as
a console, by any means.
Did you know you can use truetype fonts on Linux?
They work fine here -
> Until that
> happens I'll stick with Windows for gaming/browsing and Linux for real
> productivity.
I use Linux for gaming and most real work, windows
for when I have to edit a legacy word doc.
(yes, I know about star office etc, but some of my
clients tend to use intricate word formatting tricks
which don't import/export well. I can read all their
docs just fine in abiword, but if I want to edit and
send back, for now I still need word.)
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is suse 7.1?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:49:37 GMT
"cat < nonsense > cola" wrote:
> A perfect example of what Linux is all about for most people.
> Getting it to work. The challenge. The victory. The thrill.
uh.. no. For most people, it's about having a sturdy
networking box without bsods and no microsoft tax.
There are also adventurous types who like to get
their hands dirty, but those are a minority.
> Correlate this with the diametrically opposed view (BS) on cola where we
> hear how their "grandmother" could install and use Linux.
Of course - depends on the distro, as we all know.
> So, are you two saying you have no more computer literacy than your
> grandmothers?
> Or will you finally admit to the pervasive BS perpetrated in cola concerning
> linux's ease of use?
Well, I see you are a bit short of clues so I'll make this simple.
Anyone could pop in a CD and click on "install workstation"
as some distros offer.
However, it takes some time and knowledge to install
e.g. "Rock Linux" - now that's a distro for real men!
http://www.rocklinux.org/
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:51:29 GMT
Reefer wrote:
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Only an idiot relegates perfectly good hardware to the dustbin
> > just because some Asshole in Redmond, Washington decrees it so
>
> hardware from the late 80's is not "perfectly good hardware"
But lots of hardware from the mid 90s is - and that's the point.
jjs
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From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:02:17 GMT
Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >http://www.microsoft.com&[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pub/mskb/Q209354.asp
>
> I got 404... have they "fixed" it?
>
> (I also got 404 for the other one posted in this thread)
>
> --
> cu,
> Bruce
>
> drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
Me too. That's new as of today. I speculate that, since I picked it up
off The Register which is a fairly high traffic site, the owners of this
one must've gotten a lot of unexpected hits. I'll bet it was discreetly
pulled.
--
"The difference between a misfortune and a calamity? If Gladstone fell
into the Thames, it would be a misfortune. But if someone dragged him
out again, it would be a calamity."
-- Benjamin Disraeli
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Date: 24 Feb 2001 20:02:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/
>I can. Starting from the home computers of the early 80's, the amount of
>power required has steadily increased. Bear in mind, thet the faster you
>want to switch a silicon junctio, the more power you need to switch it.
However, does that mean it will grow linearly? As I recall, the standard home
circuit offers about 120V, 15A (In the US)-- ~1800W. There will probably be
some discontent when people need to rewire their houses for new machines.
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
This post is No. 54 056 in a limited edition of 700 000 000. Certificate of
Authenticity attached.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:04:50 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> Oh pillock, you were the one that claim crashing apps don't harm the OS.
Allow me to just jump in here for a quick reality check.
Remember when I took the Pete Goodwin editor challenge?
Several of the editors crashed, but the OS just kept on
trucking.
Netscape crashes at least once a day for me, but the
OS is not affected, and I simply restart netscape to
continue.
So, yes, it appears that in general, crashing apps have
absolutely no effect on the OS.
> Again, you made the claim that crashing apps don't harm the OS. Oh look,
> the system is dead!
Nope, the system is still rocking, and the kernel compile
finished successfully, remember?
jjs
PS You have no chance to survive make your time.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Date: 24 Feb 2001 20:07:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Which Linux?
>Monkey Linux fits on 5 floppies, is designed to work with a 386/4MB has
>X, netscape needs 20M ho HDD space and 10M swap.
That was my first distribution. The problem is that it runs on a UMSDOS
partition, which is a major speed expense IIRC. It does work fine, however.
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
This post is No. 54 056 in a limited edition of 700 000 000. Certificate of
Authenticity attached.
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:33:57 +1100
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Shane Phelps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad,
> >
> > We're still waiting for all this evidence about shoddy encryption in SSH
> >
> > Please enlighten us
> >
> > BTW, I've taken the liberty of cross-posting this to comp.security.ssh
> > :-)
>
> I've already listed the exploits. They may have been patched, but how
> many systems out there are patched? If SSH is so great, why then does
> it have so many vulnerabilities?
>
> Why is SSH1 considered "fundamentally flawed" by its own makers?
>
Chad,
The people who *really* know how ssh works have explained to you time
and time again in detail where you are wrong, and why.
To recap:
YOU are the one alleging weakness and extreme vulnerability, YOU need
to provide the evidence. BTW, your allegation was of shoddy encryption,
not "fundamental flaws".
Neither the commercial or free (as in speech) SSH suppliers can force
system
administrators to apply updates or patches. Notice of any possible weaknesses
is readily available from the usual sources. There are simple configuration
changes which stop any possibility of exploiting the (vaguely vulnerable)
implementation weaknesses. In addition, many ssh installations are further
protected by linking with libwrap (the TCP wrapper library) which can restrict
access to known IP address ranges. OTOH, how many NT boxes are running
on SP6a,
or W2K boxes on SP2?
Your list of "exploits for February" is the sum total of all theoretical
vulnerabilities for ssh1.
The "fundamental flaw" is that it allows for MitM attacks on initial key
exchange. This is prominently written up in the ssh FAQ and doco, and every
ssh client I have seen (which is most of them) displays a very large warning
if the key has changed on the server it is trying to connect to.
This vulnerability affects client, not servers!
A very small number of bugs have been reported which could possibly, under
ideal circumstances, lead to a breakin on a 10Mb/s network. There are very
simple configuration workarounds to close these holes. These workarounds
are effective with every ssh1 implementation.
There has been 1 reported case of a breakin using ssh1 (rootshell),
which led
to a report of a possible buffer overrun. The buffer overrun was later shown
not to be possible (the buffer size had already been checked), and rootshell
clarified the breakin. Yes, it had been broken into using ssh, but
through the
front door with a stolen password.
Ssh1 is considered "fundamentally flawed" because the design of the protocal
allows for (but warns loudly of) MitM attacks. To be ungracious, the original
developer released the original ssh under an open licence, and is now
trying to
move users onto his new commercial product.
SSH is only one aspect of a defence-in-depth approach to security. It is
a very important component, but use of ssh (or any encryption scheme) is
no substitute for a good, regularly reviewd security policy and diligent
monitoring.
May I draw your attention to "Monty Python and the Holy Grail (Book)", pp14-16?
> -Chad
>
> >
> > Shane Phelps wrote:
> > >
> > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Ketil Z Malde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > [ snip ]
> >
> > > > > > We still use telnet
> > > > >
> > > > > Only if you're really backwards. It's called ssh these days.
> > > >
> > > > Same difference. Same 70's technologies. This is great, I love
> > > > how you guys think that SSH is some major advancement. It's
> > > > still telnet, just with encryption, and shoddy encryption at that!
> > > >
> > >
> > > How is it shoddy? The only real vulnerability is the possibility of
> > > MitM attacks at the original key exchange.
> > > There was a big flap on comp.security.ssh. a year or so back when
> > > it was thought a vulnerability may have been found, but it turned out
> > > to be a red herring.
> > > Ssh is very widely used, not just in the Unix world. I'd like to know
> > > how you feel it's vulnerable.
> > >
> > > [ snip the rest ]
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:30:26 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
<snip>
> I can. Starting from the home computers of the early 80's, the amount of
> power required has steadily increased. Bear in mind, thet the faster you
> want to switch a silicon junctio, the more power you need to switch it.
Yeah but the power needed to make a 'flop' is much less as the process
gets smaller and smaller.
--
Happy Trails
-Brent
=============================
http://rotten168.home.att.net
=============================
ICQ# 51265871
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:45:27 +1100
Brent R wrote:
>
[ snip ]
>
> Everything you put in a URL before the '@' symbol is ignore by the
> browser! Take this URL for example:
>
> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> this link goes to my home page.
>
You learn something new all the time. That's a real gotcha, isn't it?
It got *me* anyway
> http://www.hwnd.net/pub/mskb/Q209354.asp is where the article really is.
> It's just some little kiddies playing around (notice the #VB IRC
> channel).
>
> That's all that happened, MS was not hacked (at least not this time).
> --
>
It didn't look much like MS's type of content, so there had to be a trick
to it.
It's a good sendup, though.
> Happy Trails
>
> -Brent
> =============================
> http://rotten168.home.att.net
> =============================
> ICQ# 51265871
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:43:49 GMT
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:40:48 GMT, peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there any "open source" software that can help me with the
> inventory and tracking ? or
You will probably want to use a real database rather than inventing some
file format of your own. The best-known open databases are MySQL and
PostreSQL.
> Would I have to write a program from scratch or could I modify some
> existing software ? or
My suggestion would be to design a database schema that is suitable for
your project. Set up the database back end. Then build a web-based
front end using PHP that handles the UI and business rules. If the
customer already has a database for other functions that you'd like to
use, it is likely that PHP has a driver for it.
The reason I'd do it this way is that it is generally faster to design
form-based UI's with html plus some scripting than it is to write a
custom client program. Plus, it is easier to update because you don't
need to go around to all the client machines (I'm presuming that the
customer already has some Windows clients) and install software.
The web-based approach does have limitations though, so you need to
think through what functions your sofware will need.
> Would it make more sense to just buy the software (for linux) ?
That would be an alternative. There are a number of full-featured
business accounting packages for Linux, some of them include job
tracking and inventory modules. The one I've used a bit in the past is
AppGen.
Here's a web site with some pointers:
<http://vip.hex.net/~cbbrowne/financeproprietary.html>
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:45:43 GMT
Brent R wrote:
>
> Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >http://www.microsoft.com&[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pub/mskb/Q209354.asp
This related link is more fun...
http://www.hwnd.net/pub/if-OS-pl/ifos-beers.htm
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From: Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:48:54 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"B.B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> @Did you know that we now have a larger percentage of our population
> @behind bars than ANY other country on the face of the earth?
>
> Yup, and Bush thinks it's necessary (maybe even good) to build more
> prisons to hold more prisoners.
}: ) Of course, we have to build more prisons! The eduational system is
so fucked up that instead of becoming normal productive members of
society, most kids become career criminals. We *have* lo lock these
poeple up somewhere! }: )
--
Woofbert <woofbert at infernosoft dot com> -- http://www.infernosoft.com
"As any discussion of the Macintosh progresses, the likelihood of someone
claiming that the Mac UI was stolen from Xerox approaches 1. At this point,
the thread has degenerated to such an extent that it might as well end."
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:44:34 +0100
Tim Hanson wrote:
> http://www.microsoft.com&[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pub/mskb/Q209354.asp
^
HERE-------------------------- *
Get a life... its not microsoft.com but the part after "@" that you get to
- www.hwnd.net
--
Cheers
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:52:26 GMT
Brent R wrote:
>
> SPAMMERS use that trick a lot. There's also some way to enter in URL as
> octal, hex, and binary numbers but I forget how; and there's a way to
> 'comment out' characters in the middle of addresses.
>
> Why browsers allow this is beyond me.
Well, if you're going to allow a browser to accept code, shouldn't
you also allow it to accept "comments".
HAW HAW HAW!!!
Chris
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