Linux-Advocacy Digest #575, Volume #32 Thu, 1 Mar 01 05:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: State of linux distros (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: [OT] .sig (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: My long signature (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: The Windows guy. (Aaron Kulkis)
Non-Microsoft Copyright Code in Windows 2000 Professional ("Adam Warner")
Re: Off topic but do u fancy a game of chess? (Woof)
Re: Non-Microsoft Copyright Code in Windows 2000 Professional ("Adam Warner")
Re: why open source software is better (Nick Condon)
Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better (Craven
Moorehead)
Re: The Windows guy. (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: [OT] .sig (Joona I Palaste)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 04:09:14 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Reefer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:23:27 GMT
> <3yXm6.1792$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> >> Translation: Linux has accomplished more crossed more computational
> >> hurdles in 7 years than Mafia$oft has in 25.
> >
> >
> >Sorry Hulk...u got it wrong again...try one more time...
> >
> >Microsoft stands for; Innovation and technical progress, *nix stands for;
> >backwards mentality, used only by those
> >who are re-living the 70:s....got it?
>
> Dumb question perhaps, but what technological innovations are
> Microsoft noted for? (And which ones did they actually invent first,
> as opposed to stealing ideas from Unix, Apple, Xerox PARC, or such?)
>
Microsoft gives a whole new meaning to "Not Invented Here"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 04:10:57 -0500
Mark Gordon wrote:
>
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 05:35:38 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:01:38 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >When I'm overseas, I blend in very well with the locals. I observe
> >> >the local customs for behavior, and observe local laws.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>
> >> Why, then, can you not apply this principle to your participation in
> >> Usenet?
> >
> >At the moment, I am not in Norway, Great Britain, nor Saudi Arabia.
> >I'm in the United States of America, and abiding by the laws that
> >govern the jurisdictions which I currently occupy.
>
> However you are not observing the local customs of Usenet.
>
> BTW your ISP has the right to terminate your account, and if enough
> people complain this might happen.
I invite you to write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It will amuse me.
> --
> Mark Gordon
> Dyslexic C Programmer,
> At least the compiler ensures I spell variable names consistently wrong.
> For a faster email response replace spamtrap with mark.gordon
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My long signature
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 04:14:21 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Brian Langenberger wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip!>
> >>
> >> Does anyone else see the irony of a long-winded, occasionally
> >> flame-filled thread on the subject of bandwidth conservation?
> >>
> >> *I* find it amusing, in any case...
> >
> > Exposes the hypocrisy, doesn't it.
>
> Like when, in the middle of a flame filled thread about your sig, you
> claim that the sig reduces flame wars?
>
If you call this a flamewar, you REALLY would be overwhelmed
by the pre-.sig ones that followed me around.
> -Ed
>
> --
> | u98ejr
> | @
> Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
> | .ac.uk
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 04:16:16 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> A simpler definition is:
> >>
> >> a mechanism which allows the output of one process to be put in to the
> >> input of another process in the order that it (the data) was
> >> outputted.
> >
> > You need to include some sort of reference to the fact that process1 and
> > process2 are running simultaneously (as opposed to sequential
> > execution...i.e. process2 must be able to start executing while process1
> > is still running).
>
> You don't need to specify that process 1 and 2 are concurrent, since it
> can be deduced from the definition.
No..there's wiggle room to allow perverted interpretations such as
the DOS implementation.
>
> Under my definition
>
> prog_that_wont_finish | head -3
>
> will run under a multitasking system but not a single tasking system,
> since the output of the first process never goes in to the input of the
> second so under my definition, the single tasking system does not
> implement pipes, therefore a multitasking system is required.
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> | u98ejr
> | @
> Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
> | .ac.uk
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Non-Microsoft Copyright Code in Windows 2000 Professional
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:21:55 +1300
Hi all,
I have done some processing of the files that are distributed on the
Windows 2000 Professional CD. The aim was to look for copyright notices
while at the same time specifically excluding Microsoft copyright notices.
This was achieved by this short shell program that I wrote:
#! /bin/sh
#Note that this script is run from the directory to process.
#Output is placed in the ./output subdirectory
rm output/fulllist
for file in *.*
do
strings -a -f $file | tr -s '\n' '|' | sed -e
s/[Cc][Oo][Pp][Yy][Rr][Ii][Gg][Hh][Tt].*[Mm][Ii][Cc][Rr][Oo][Ss][Oo][Ff][Tt]/XXXXXXXX/
| tr -s '|' '\n' | grep -B2 -C2 -i 'copyright' >> output/fulllist
echo >> output/fulllist
done
#Now I just have to clean up the fulllist of multiple blank lines
cat -s output/fulllist > output/list
rm output/fulllist
---
The only thing necessary to explain is the long command. strings -a -f
$file strips the strings out of the binary file. tr -s '\n' '|' converts
all line breaks to a dummy character "|" (this is so sed can operate over
multiple lines). sed then finds any occurances of text such as Copyright
... Microsoft and renames that text as XXXXXX. The line breaks are then
reconstructed. grep then processes the changes to determine if copyright
notices remain. They will remain if Copyright doesn't match with
Microsoft.
I then had to delete a few anomalies (in particular "Microsoft,
Copyright").
The result is here:
http://www.consulting.net.nz/Win2kPro_non-MS_copyright_list.txt
(The file is about 500kB).
You can use your browser to investigate interesting cases. Or better still
grep the list. For example, how about the University of California (for
BSD code):
grep 'University of California' Win2kPro_non-MS_copyright_list.txt
finger.exe: @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 The Regents of the University of
California.
ftp.exe: @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of
California.
nslookup.exe: @(#) Copyright (c) 1985,1989 Regents of the University of
California.
rcp.exe: @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of
California.
rsh.exe: @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of
California.
(There's more context in the actual file)
Or how about all *.exe's:
grep -i '\.exe.*opyright' Win2kPro_non-MS_copyright_list.txt
dmadmin.exe: 2.70 Copyright (C) NEC Corporation 1985,1995
en4236sp.exe: Borland C++ - Copyright 1994 Borland Intl.
finger.exe: @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 The Regents of the University of
California.
ftp.exe: @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of
California.
mwcpyrt.exe: IBM Copyright Notice
mwrcov16.exe: Borland C++ - Copyright 1994 Borland Intl.
nslookup.exe: @(#) Copyright (c) 1985,1989 Regents of the University of
California.
ntkrnlmp.exe: Copyright (C) Rational Systems, Inc.
ntkrnlpa.exe: Copyright (C) Rational Systems, Inc.
ntkrpamp.exe: Copyright (C) Rational Systems, Inc.
ntoskrnl.exe: Copyright (C) Rational Systems, Inc.
os2.exe: Copyright (C) Rational Systems, Inc.
pax.exe: Copyright (c) 1989 Mark H. Colburn.
rcp.exe: @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of
California.
rsh.exe: @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of
California.
wcom32.exe: Copyright (c) 1996-99 Comtrol Corp.
However most of the non-Microsoft copyright notices in the file relate to
drivers. This just indicates how fortunate Microsoft is that third parties
write drivers for Microsoft Windows. This will equate to many millions
of dollars of development time and effort.
Regards,
Adam
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From: Woof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off topic but do u fancy a game of chess?
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 09:26:09 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Woof wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > > Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > I see in your sig that you are a member of a chessclub
> > If you fancy a game sometime let me know and we can arrange to play on
> > Icc or somewhere
> > Ill warn you though ive never lost a game
> > I shall look forward to eating all your pieces
> >
> <snip>
> do you want black or white?
>
> Best thing is just to mail me. I'm always ready to play!
>
Where do you play chess on the net? I play on Icc
http://www.chessclub.com
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Non-Microsoft Copyright Code in Windows 2000 Professional
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 09:29:47 GMT
Yeah, I know. This could have been done much more efficiently in Perl. I
just have to understand how to do it :-)
Regards,
Adam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: why open source software is better
Date: 1 Mar 2001 09:33:36 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (vrml3d.com) wrote
>If you go back to Win3.x days, with OSS generally unknown to just about
>everybody, there were strong incentives to enter the market, and many
>did. If you look at the market now, I can't think of many compelling
>reasons to enter and OSS is a primary factor. Even established vendors
>like Oracle are struggling now, and I don't think you can blame this on
>Oracle being an inferior product. The pressure is partly from the
>economy, but PostGre and MySQL are certainly playing a part.
>
>From an economic standpoint, give me one good reason why I would want to
>write a DB server (as a pure software sales play, none of this "we sell
>support" BS) under these market conditions.
How many reasons for writing a DB server? OK here goes:
1 - You work for a large corporation that wants an in-house DB server, and
they ask you to do it.
2 - You're interested in learning about DB servers, so you do it by writing
one.
3 - You need a DB server for one of your own pet projects, and don't like
what's available.
4 - You enjoy writing software, so you come up with a DB server because
it's *fun*.
Your assumptions contain 2 fundamental errors.
(1) Most software is created for its resale value. It isn't. Take a look at
any publication that advertises vacancies for developers. How many of those
vacancies are with companies that sell software? Maybe 1 in 20. Most
software is created for it's *use* value. That value is undiminished if you
give it away.
(2) People are only motivated if they can make money at it. This is so
obviously false I don't think I need to say anymore.
--
Nick
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From: Craven Moorehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 20:35:41 +1100
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:53:43 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil
hunt) wrote:
>>Aren't you getting confused now? Open source does not necessarily mean
>>free,
>
>It meas free as in speech, but not necessarily as in beer.
Have you read the article today at ZDNet by Richard Smallman ?
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2690949,00.html
Man, what a tosser !!
He seems to have a real chip on his shoulder about Linux. He goes out
of his way to call Linux GNU/Linux (technically correct) and adds that
the majority of code in Linux is GNU (again correct). This is not the
first time I have seen him do this. The fact that 99% of the computer
literate society regard Linux incorrectly as Linus's baby must really
bug him.
He had a little dig at Linus "when GNU was almost finished, the kernel
Linux written by Linus Torvalds filled the last gap" He must hate that
guy. He must be pissed that he does all the work and little old Linus
comes along and gets all the glory.
Now down to "Free as in speech not as in beer". The man is a rabid
communist. He says people can charge for GNU software but why would
you do so ? As soon as you use GNU software you have to GPL your
software as well. So anyone can come along, get your code, add a tiny
enhancement, compile it and give it away. There is nothing you can do.
Finally to nail him down to being a communist, this comment at the end
"Whenever there is a conflict between human rights and property
rights, human rights must prevail." What he is saying is that if your
software becomes important (successful) the public should be able to
just take it for free.
Craven
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 09:52:06 GMT
On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 04:54:49 GMT, Marten Kemp wrote:
> Bob Hauck wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 01:04:03 GMT, Marten Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >How does run Linux as a guest of Linux?
> >
> > VMWare.
> >
> > --
> > -| Bob Hauck
> > -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> > -| http://www.haucks.org/
>
> And can one run VMWare as a guest of VMWare? Not to disparage VMWare,
> which I feel is quite an accomplishment.
Unfortunately, the x86 architecture doesn't have very good support for
self-virtualization. From what I understand, VMware is basically running
most x86 instructions natively for speed, but whenever a jump to kernel
mode occurs, VMware catches it and reroutes it as appropriate.
Unfortunately, if one runs VMware under VMware, the second instance sets up
its own kernel-mode traps, but the kernel calls of the second instance get
jumbled up in the kernel calls of the first instance and the whole house of
cards comes tumbling down.
There are other options than VMware. Bochs <http://www.bochs.com/> is a
full-blown open source x86 emulator. It's obviously slower than something
like VMware, but it also works cross-platform. There's also User-Mode
Linux <http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/>, which is especially useful
for things like debugging kernel modules and sandboxing insecure programs.
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: Joona I Palaste <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: 1 Mar 2001 09:55:31 GMT
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled the following
on comp.lang.c:
> Second, as my grandpa used to say, "them what talks about it ain't
> doin' it." The more Mr. Kulkis talks about "defending" his country,
> the more convinced I am he has never done any such thing. In fact, a
> little contemplation of current events will recall to everyone that
> our country has not been threatened militarily in many decades.
> Unless Mr. Kulkis is in his dotage, he has never served in combat to
> "defend" the United States. Although, perhaps he took part in the
> "turkey shoot" in Iraq 10 years ago, shooting fleeing civilians in the
> back; or subsequently bulldozing the wounded into trenches and burying
> them alive. That does not qualify as "defending" the United States in
> any way.
Well said. Unfortunately, Aaron Kulkis seems to think that any situation
where you get to fire a gun is "defending the United States".
--
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