Linux-Advocacy Digest #593, Volume #32 Fri, 2 Mar 01 03:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: So, here's something to chew on... (Joel Barnett)
Re: Judge Harry Edwards comments.... ("2 + 2")
Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation (Joel Barnett)
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: So, here's something to chew on... (Perry Pip)
Re: Judge Harry Edwards comments.... (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: So, here's something to chew on... (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Yet More Evidence of MS as Antichrist! (WAS: New Microsoft Ad :-) ) (Joel
Barnett)
Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft dying, was Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Joel
Barnett)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Mark Gordon)
Re: [OT] .sig (Mark Gordon)
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From: Joel Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So, here's something to chew on...
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:17:25 -0800
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>
> Joel Barnett wrote:
> >
> > "Masha Ku'Inanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:97mlhm$1gu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip lengthy diatribe against W2k>
> >
> > If you actually need help with a W2k problem you might try
> > alt.os.windows2000. Of course, if all you are saying is "I know how to
> > do something in *nix, I don't know how to do it in W2k, therefore W2k
> > sucks", I guess you came to the right place.
>
> Translation:
> Windows is just as difficult to administrate as Unix,
> without the benefit of system stability.
>
>
Better translation:
AK likes *nix OSen, dislikes MS OSen, therefore (erroneously) concludes
that *nix OSen are better than MS OSen. Of course the conclusion does
follow if we redefine 'better' to mean 'what AK likes'.
jbarntt
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Judge Harry Edwards comments....
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 02:21:35 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote in message ...
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>
>>http://www.eetimes.com/special/special_issues/millennium/companies/bell.ht
ml
>>
>> At first the research arm of AT&T, Bell Labs enjoyed a special status
>> after its founding in the 1920s. Because of the monopoly granted AT&T
>> by the government, in the interests of standardizing the telephone
>> system, the lab could both be part of a commercial operation and play
>> the open role of a national laboratory.
>>
>
>I see this in print and I've read it.
>
>There is no record in congress of an actual vote nor bill passed which
>grants AT&T nor IT&T a monopoly that I've seen.
>
>Perhaps what they are refering to is some kind of excusive contract.
>
>But I can't seem to find support for where congress passed and the
>president signed any such bill approving a monopoly.
Charlie,
I know the posters think that you put up phony links and side squirts.
However, your great mind is actually in great demand.
I am here to offer you a guest spot on a nationally syndicated show.
Yes, you have been selected because of your extensive knowledge on the
subject of antitrust.
The breadth of your intellect is what impresses.
So I'd like to invite you to the Art Bell show as an expert on ALIEN
Antitrust.
Well, you might say, hey wait a minute.
But I say, all those great ideas come from SOMEPLACE, huh buddy?
2 + 2
>
>However, I can show you the 1970's arguments from the appeals trials
>where the phone companies attempted to prove they had been granted
>monopoly status from the government and they failed to exibit proof.
>
>That much I know.
>
>Charlie
>
>
------------------------------
From: Joel Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:22:48 -0800
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >
> > I basically dislike Microsoft, and think their Windows operating
> > systems range from shit (Win 98) to passable (Win 2000 on heavy
> > hardware). The following link makes me sad that the idiocy
> > continues:
> >
> >
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/02/28/010228hnvise.xml?p=br&s=3
> >
> > Partial quote:
> >
> > HE DOMINANCE OF Microsoft's Windows operating system, the centerpiece
> > of the U.S. Department of Justice's antitrust case against the company,
> > remains undisputed, according to research released Wednesday by IDC.
> >
> > Worldwide shipments of Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows NT Workstation,
> > Windows 2000 Professional, and Windows Millennium Edition comprised 92
> > percent of all client operating systems shipped last year, up from 89
> > percent the year before, said Al Gillen, research manager at IDC's
> > operating environments program.
> >
> > Windows 98 shipments were up 36 percent over the prior year, while
> > Windows 95 shipments fell off dramatically, Gillen said. Overall,
> > Microsoft Windows 9x and Windows Millennium Edition operating system
> > shipments were up by 8 percent.
> >
> > Linux remains a bit player on the desktop with less than 2 percent
> > market share, although that is a 25 percent jump from 1999, IDC's
> > research shows. Linux also continues to garner backing from IT industry
> > leaders, including IBM, Hewlett-Packard, and Dell Computer, all of which
> > are shipping workstations and low-end servers with the Linux operating
> > environment.
> >
> > End of quote.
> >
> > I'm not so worried about Linux "market share", since it says that it's
> > PAID percentage is small. I'm more worried why Win 98, a piece of crap
> > if there ever was one, has gone up in shipments.
>
> Because purchasers are REJECTING Lose2k and LoseME
Obviously, if someone purchases W98 they are rejecting W2k & ME. Of course
they are also rejecting MacOS, BeOS, Linux, etc.
>
> >
> > Perhaps there are misleading numbers here. However, it looks like
> > Microsoft
> > is now coated with Teflon. Even their crap sells.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --
> > [X] Check here to always trust content from Chris
> > [ ] Check here if you're a dazed follower of Bill Gates
>
jbarntt
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 02:27:49 -0500
JS PL wrote:
>
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Well it seems all of you whining about the microsoft tax are missing the
> > > whole point so I'll spell it out to you.
> >
> > So glad you're here to clear up these misconceptions.
> >
> >
> > > It is not anyones right to demand that a certain product be supplied
> to
> > > them. And that's the whole gaping flaw in the argument.
> >
> > That's true, noone has the right to be sold any product. It is entirely
> > up to the seller whether they will sell it or not. However, it is up to
> > the CONSUMER what they BUY. If a customer says "I don't want Windows",
> > the supplier either GETS RID OF IT, or says "then I wont sell you the
> > computer".
>
> Then why all the whining about a supposed microsoft tax. No one who has
> ever bought a computer in the history of man has been forced to pay extra
> for an OS they didn't want.
Yes, they have.
> I can't think of a time when hardware hasn't
> been available seperate from software. If you own a copy of Windows it's
> because you chose to buy it. The fact is, that no one wants to admit is that
> it's much easier to buy a package than each individual piece. And it's
> usually cheaper. I don't use the shitty little microphone but I'm not
> whining about having to pay a microphone tax just to get my system. I don't
> even use the clunky little inkjet printer they threw in. But I'm not
> whining about an inkjet printer tax. My TV uses channel 3 only, I'm not
> whining about all the extra "tax" I was forced to pay for a 100+ channel
> tuner. Join the real world, you get what someone decides to sell. Nothing
> more.
>
> > > A while back some
> > > morons came up with some kind of idea that it was their right to get a
> > > refund on windows portion of a system if they didn't load the software.
> They
> > > soon found out they had only the right to either buy, or not buy a
> package
> > > that someone decided they would like to sell.
> >
> > These 'morons' were merely reading the license agreement, which states
> > quite clearly if you don't agree to the license agreement you are
> > entitled to return the product for a full refund.
>
> And because they were morons they very quickly found out the way the real
> world works.
>
> > > You have two choices, buy what someone decides to sell you, or don't.
> That's
> > > the rules of the game. Get over it.
> >
> > You do actually have the right to enquire and deal with the seller. If
> > he tries to sell you a system with windows, you're not doing anything
> > immoral, illegal, or moronic by asking for a system without it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: So, here's something to chew on...
Date: 2 Mar 2001 07:27:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:02:13 -0800,
Joel Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ray Chason wrote:
>
>> "Joel Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >If you actually need help with a W2k problem you might try
>> >alt.os.windows2000. Of course, if all you are saying is "I know how to do
>> >something in *nix, I don't know how to do it in W2k, therefore W2k
>> >sucks", I guess you came to the right place.
Why don't you tell us what he should have done and what "help" he
would have gotten on alt.os.windows2000 other that being told to
reboot. It seems an offending process was eating 95-100% CPU and
Windows simply wouldn't let him kill it.
>>
>> But isn't Windoze supposed to be the OS that doesn't require you to RTFM?
>
>No matter what OS you use, you should read the manual.
With Win2K you have to pay extra for decent documention, and you still
don't have access to the OS internals. A sad story for an OS already costs
more, is less stable, and is at least as difficult to administer.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Judge Harry Edwards comments....
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 02:33:22 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> >http://www.eetimes.com/special/special_issues/millennium/companies/bell.html
> >
> > At first the research arm of AT&T, Bell Labs enjoyed a special status
> > after its founding in the 1920s. Because of the monopoly granted AT&T
> > by the government, in the interests of standardizing the telephone
> > system, the lab could both be part of a commercial operation and play
> > the open role of a national laboratory.
> >
>
> I see this in print and I've read it.
>
> There is no record in congress of an actual vote nor bill passed which
> grants AT&T nor IT&T a monopoly that I've seen.
>
> Perhaps what they are refering to is some kind of excusive contract.
>
> But I can't seem to find support for where congress passed and the
> president signed any such bill approving a monopoly.
>
> However, I can show you the 1970's arguments from the appeals trials
> where the phone companies attempted to prove they had been granted
> monopoly status from the government and they failed to exibit proof.
>
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Interesting.
> That much I know.
>
> Charlie
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So, here's something to chew on...
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 02:38:10 -0500
Joel Barnett wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Joel Barnett wrote:
> > >
> > > "Masha Ku'Inanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:97mlhm$1gu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> <snip lengthy diatribe against W2k>
>
> > >
> > > If you actually need help with a W2k problem you might try
> > > alt.os.windows2000. Of course, if all you are saying is "I know how to
> > > do something in *nix, I don't know how to do it in W2k, therefore W2k
> > > sucks", I guess you came to the right place.
> >
> > Translation:
> > Windows is just as difficult to administrate as Unix,
> > without the benefit of system stability.
> >
> >
>
> Better translation:
> AK likes *nix OSen, dislikes MS OSen, therefore (erroneously) concludes
> that *nix OSen are better than MS OSen. Of course the conclusion does
> follow if we redefine 'better' to mean 'what AK likes'.
I've used DOZENS of different operating systems (non-Unix)
Microsoft is not merely at the bottom of the heap...it's down in the sewer.
>
> jbarntt
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Joel Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yet More Evidence of MS as Antichrist! (WAS: New Microsoft Ad :-) )
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:34:11 -0800
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>
> Bloody Viking wrote:
> >
> > Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > : Peter Hayes wrote:
> >
> > : > Are you saying you have a cluster of machines that you reboot
> > : > individually, but collectively they present 99.999% uptime to the
> > : > outside world?
> >
> > : FIVE LoseDOS machines to duplicate the availability of ONE Linux
> > : machine.
> > : [And he STILL can't provide the same level of services as the ONE
> > : [Linux machine].
> >
> > The MS-Scam(tm) is that the memory leaks are on purpose so companies
> > have to build clusters so as to sell all 5 copies of NT "Server".
> > Meanwhile, the entire cluster makes hardware vendors rich as well, yet
> > one Linux can remain awake for years.
> >
> > A single NT Server box if used for a 24/7 server attempt fails before a
> > severe insomniac finally falls asleep during the week... and the NT will
> > take longer to reinstall than it takes for that same insomniac to
> > reawaken. Utterly pathetic. In the cluster therefore, the machines
> > engage in a silicon equivalent of shift work as like people who need
> > sleep to essentially run Defrag by dreaming, the NT boxes need to
> > "sleep" lest the memory leak causes them to BSOD.
> >
> > Another tantalising fact is that kids raised by animals, feral kids,
> > exhibit characteristics of animals and not developing language or other
> > nominally human traits, as though the "animal OS" is a "DOS" in humans
> > with language and culture actually being an overlay like Windows 9*.
> > While feral kids are super rare, the ancient Egyptians tried an
> > experiment with placing 2 babies in a room and all caregivers were
> > ordered to not say a word. The intent was to find out the primordial
> > language but instead found "AnimalDOS" by accident.
> >
> > This raises a bizarre possibility. While the VMS inventor works on NT,
> > Microsoft and Bill Gates could in fact be the Antichrist, where Bill
> > Gates stole sourcecode for the kernel of the OS that runs on animal
> > brains (including ours as a "DOS") and animals without sleep go insane
> > due to memory leaks. BTW, if an animal is deprived of all sleep long
> > enough, it dies, nature's equivalent of a BSOD, but for which there is
> > no reinstall.
> >
> > If the Seattle quake shook up the "campus" of the potential Antichrist,
> > it could mean a god exists and the ol' god/devil war is on.
> >
>
> Maybe an aftershock will open up a sinkhole beneath gates' office.
For his sake, I hope the hole isn't as big as securities holes in Windows.
But then, since outsiders have no access to his office, we'll never know if
the hole does open up. And if for some reason word of the hole does leak
out and Gates dissapears, Balmer can assure us that it was Bill's own fault
the hole opened in the first place.
>
>
> > --
> > FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> > The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> > The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your
> > bloodstream.
>
jbarntt
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 02:42:30 -0500
Joel Barnett wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> > >
> > > I basically dislike Microsoft, and think their Windows operating
> > > systems range from shit (Win 98) to passable (Win 2000 on heavy
> > > hardware). The following link makes me sad that the idiocy
> > > continues:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/02/28/010228hnvise.xml?p=br&s=3
> > >
> > > Partial quote:
> > >
> > > HE DOMINANCE OF Microsoft's Windows operating system, the centerpiece
> > > of the U.S. Department of Justice's antitrust case against the company,
> > > remains undisputed, according to research released Wednesday by IDC.
> > >
> > > Worldwide shipments of Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows NT Workstation,
> > > Windows 2000 Professional, and Windows Millennium Edition comprised 92
> > > percent of all client operating systems shipped last year, up from 89
> > > percent the year before, said Al Gillen, research manager at IDC's
> > > operating environments program.
> > >
> > > Windows 98 shipments were up 36 percent over the prior year, while
> > > Windows 95 shipments fell off dramatically, Gillen said. Overall,
> > > Microsoft Windows 9x and Windows Millennium Edition operating system
> > > shipments were up by 8 percent.
> > >
> > > Linux remains a bit player on the desktop with less than 2 percent
> > > market share, although that is a 25 percent jump from 1999, IDC's
> > > research shows. Linux also continues to garner backing from IT industry
> > > leaders, including IBM, Hewlett-Packard, and Dell Computer, all of which
> > > are shipping workstations and low-end servers with the Linux operating
> > > environment.
> > >
> > > End of quote.
> > >
> > > I'm not so worried about Linux "market share", since it says that it's
> > > PAID percentage is small. I'm more worried why Win 98, a piece of crap
> > > if there ever was one, has gone up in shipments.
> >
> > Because purchasers are REJECTING Lose2k and LoseME
>
> Obviously, if someone purchases W98 they are rejecting W2k & ME. Of course
> they are also rejecting MacOS, BeOS, Linux, etc.
^^^^^^^^^^^
Can't reject something that isn't even offered by the OEM.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Joel Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft dying, was Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:47:38 -0800
Dr. Peanut wrote:
<snip>
>
> The problem for Microsoft is that an "old" PC from two years ago
> running Windows 98 is a very good PC still for a huge segment of their
> market.
>
> When the time comes for them to upgrade that machine you can bet
> they'll want Windows XP and not Linux.
Why pay for Windows all over again ? Get a new pc w/o OS, install the W98
you already own, spend $30 USD on a nice Linux Mandrake OS in a box. Save
some $$, use Windows for stuff that you can't run on Linux, use Linux for
everything else.
>
>
jbarntt
------------------------------
From: Mark Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 07:53:15 +0000
On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:16:37 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Jeff Jacoby wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:40:56 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > Bloody Viking wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Edward Rosten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> > >
>> > > : Those are perfectly normal errors: you have no cos function. You need to
>> > > : link against the maths library as well as #including the header.
>> > >
>> > > : gcc -lm ...
>> > >
>> > > The "0lm" trick sure did it. Just tested it on another virtual console.
>> > > Thanks! Fun easier quesation. Why isn't it in degrees as is the standard?
>> > >
>> >
>> > In short, radians are more often used in mathematics. Radians do have
>> > some useful properties, particularly in keeping formulae simple (eg the
>> > area of a segment of a circle is rT, where r is the radius and T is the
>> > angle in radians subtended at the centre, if T is in degrees there is an
>> > ugly constant involved)
>>
>> Another useful property, employed extensively in engineering
>> to simplify many equations, is that cos(a) ~= 1 and sin(a) ~= a,
>> when a is small (and in radians).
>
>And let's not forget that 2 - 1 = 2 for sufficiently small values of 1.
>
>[Alternatively: Lim 2 - 1 = 2 ]
> 1 -> 0
False. In maths 1 is defined as a specific value, therefor it cannot
have any other value not tend to a given value. So you are just
letting your ignorance show again.
As to sin(a) being approx a for small a in radians, I've used it
myself when developing an algorithm. The was faster (simpler) code
that was still more accurate than was required for the application. I
performed an error analysis on the algorithm which proved this.
--
Mark Gordon
Dyslexic C Programmer,
At least the compiler ensures I spell variable names consistently wrong.
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From: Mark Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 07:54:27 +0000
On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 17:11:43 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>
>> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> >
>> > Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> > >
>> > > There is no need (writes this Englishman) for clueful Americans to feel
>> > > such shame. Idiocy is a truly international phenomenon. Mr Kulkis
>> > > happens to be an American idiot, but there are also plenty of
>> > > non-American idiots to go round.
>> >
>> > You are mistaken
>>
>> You are claiming that Americans have a monopoly on idiocy?
>
>False premise. I was talking about the other half of your
>erroneous statement.
So you are not American then.
--
Mark Gordon
Dyslexic C Programmer,
At least the compiler ensures I spell variable names consistently wrong.
For a faster email response replace spamtrap with mark.gordon
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