Linux-Advocacy Digest #601, Volume #32 Fri, 2 Mar 01 18:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Mircosoft Tax ("Edward Rosten")
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (Roberto Alsina)
Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: How would you do this with Linux ? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: I am Bobert the Great! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("JD")
Re: [OT] .sig (Ian Woods)
Re: How would you do this with Linux ? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: How would you do this with Linux ? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market (Peter
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: The Windows guy. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Paul Colquhoun)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:01:34 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Barry Schwarz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on 2 Mar 2001 02:12:46 GMT
> <97mviu$r9d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 17:13:01 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>> An 8th grade education, history of antisocial behavior, and a three
> >>> foot long criminal record?
> >>
> >>In the US Army, that's 2 reasons that will bar you from even being
> >>able to enlist as a private.
> >Since the army no longer requires a high school diploma, anti-social
> >behavior is not recorded unless it is also illegal, and a criminal
> >record is only one thing (and possibly irrelevant since neither
> >traffic nor parking offenses are impediments to enlisting), what two
> >did you have in mind?
>
> How the heck is the recruit going to handle all the nifty neato
> useful gadgetry the Army's going to have online in the next couple
> decades if he can't even figure out which button to push? :-)
Contrary to popular belief, the US Army is probably the best educated
workforce in the world. Large number of our Senior NCO's have PhD's...
In most other armies of the world, those with even bachelor's degrees
are ALL in the officer corps. [Because the US Army enlisted/officer
distinction doesn't run on family/class lines like in most of the
world...]
>
> >
> >
> ><<Remove the del for email>>
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 25d:08h:57m actually running Linux.
> This is the best part of the message.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 22:03:57 +0000
>>Several Linux HW vendors sell box sets with their products. It's not
>>clear that there is an "OEM price", though there may be (for example, we
>>don't know how much Dell are paying RH)
>
> They're stupid if they're paying them anything at all. Slackware or
They're not stupid. Many companies give money to Linux development. If RH
produce a high quality system that benefits DELL, it makes sense for them
to pay RH money, so that they could produce a better product.
> Debian can downloaded for free and installed for free on as many
systems
So can RH.
> as Dell wants. Some of the more-commercial distros (possibly including
> RedHat) also don't place any limitation on the number of systems you
> install on.
-Ed
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:04:07 -0300
Brian Langenberger wrote:
> Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> <snip!>
>
> :> Of course, the GNU sound byte, "Think 'free speech'" is sufficient to
> :> show that describing the GPL as "free" fits common usage of the word,
> :> i.e. something different from "without any constraints."
>
> : Only in the minds of those already convinced.
>
> : Find someone completely virgin of FSF propaganda.
> : Tell him "this program is 'free as in speech' software" and ask him to
> : explain to you what such a thing means.
[snip]
> So, seeing that the purpose of language is to convey meaning,
> and since "open source" is only two syllables longer than "free"
> (and considerably more self-explanatory), that's the term I
> prefer - if only to save on explanations.
My personal take on that is that "open source" is meaningless enough that
people will actually think they don't know what it means, and then they
have to figure it out.
I would have gone for the extreme effect, though. "frobozz software" sounds
nice, and is void of meaning, waiting for us to fill it ;-)
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:03:17 -0500
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>
> On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:27:32 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >A criminal record 3 feet long cannot be waivered away.
> >180 convictions, even class D misdemeanors, will be a bar to enlistment...
>
> Is that how many convictions make a three foot long record?
> We may have hit upon your area of expertise, after all!
It's a simple case of doing the math, shit-for-brains.
8 1/2 x 11 inch sheet of letter-sized paper = 60 lines
3 feet is approximately 3 sheets of letter-sized paper = 180 lines.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:08:35 -0300
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>
> Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:27:32 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> >A criminal record 3 feet long cannot be waivered away.
>> >180 convictions, even class D misdemeanors, will be a bar to
>> >enlistment...
>>
>> Is that how many convictions make a three foot long record?
>> We may have hit upon your area of expertise, after all!
>
> It's a simple case of doing the math, shit-for-brains.
>
>
>
> 8 1/2 x 11 inch sheet of letter-sized paper = 60 lines
>
> 3 feet is approximately 3 sheets of letter-sized paper = 180 lines.
I have not seen a US police record, but the ones we have around here don't
list them one per line.
In fact, one misdemeanor can take about half a page (listing all law
instances through which it passed)
Also, do things you get indicted for and not declared guilty end in your
record?
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How would you do this with Linux ?
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 22:09:30 +0000
> So one or two servers, a few dumb telnet style machines for the workers
> to enter data directly into the database server.
Many Winvocates would laugh at the idea of using dumb terminals (eg WYSE,
VT equivalent), but a char based interface (not CLI) is a very simple and
robust way of doing things (and doesn' require space to operate a mouse).
Many companies I have seen actually use them on the shop floor. They're
cheaper, more robust and less power hungry than PCs. They work well with
any UNIX system.
-Ed
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I am Bobert the Great!
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 22:10:37 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bobert Big
Bollocks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am Bobert the Great from the planet Bobertron Bow before me!
Ahem :)
-Ed
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From: "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:12:30 -0500
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:97p2vl$37v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Think of it like this: GPL is free sort of like our Income Tax is
> > 'voluntary.' In fact, our Income Tax isn't 'voluntary', and GPL isn't
> > free. Another common misusage (by almost all parties in the US) is that
>
> > the US is a Democracy, which technically it isn't. In fact, the misusage
> > of the term 'Democracy' has often caused confusion.
>
> Representative Democracy?
>
I think that the term 'Constitutional Democracy' might be more fully encompassing,
where the constitution specifies the democratic and representative mechanisms. The
US has a mix of democratic elections and representative government, with the
constitution being the 'contract' between the government and the people.
>
>
> > If GPL is a license of free software, then you wouldn't have multiple
> > rules and redistribution encumberances. A few, simple, non costly rules
> > wouldn't be important, but the GPL is a multi-page license with
> > significant redistribution requirements.
> >
> > You'll often hear about the GPL being free with lots of spin that
> > morally justifies it. But no matter what, because of the contstraints,
> > it isn't free.
>
> There is no such thing as completely free in an abstract sense. Simply
> put, something that is free for one person is not free for the next.
>
If you have a piece of GPLed software, you have limitations and rules
to follow as to your freedom to redistribute it. In order to comply, you
must make sure that you can adhere to rules prescribed in the GPL, including
information about the source code lineage. The details reside in the license
itself, but have several dot-items.
>
> I'll use the BSD license as an example of another free license because
> there are fewer restrictions on redistribution.
>
If you have a copy of bona-fide BSD licensed software, you are free to give
it way, PERIOD. (Okay, there might be export restrctions regarding customs
laws.)
Strongly using the claim that a piece of software is a superior 'free', while it is
actually inferior, and note that most MORE FREE software doesn't even make
the claim. The fact that BSD licensed software (for example) is free, is pretty
darned obvious, since attribution is universally accepted as a form of respect
for authorship. The claims, redefinitions, and false analogy (speech vs. software,
for
example) shows that the GPL-being-free crew is actually trying to *convince*
people that it is free. Free software is pretty much obviously free, with short
licenses. (Your parent smileing, when tasting the castor oil for you, this
is a similar situation where the GPL-being-free crew is trying to convince the
public.) The crew might have some sort of 'higher' calling by espousing the
lie, but the credibility drops to zero. (Or, at least, it shows that some of the
programmers are vulnerable to misinformation.)
A free license might demand attribution be carried along with the software, but with
free software, if you have a binary, you can give it away without any additional
baggage. Your responsibility ENDS when you give the code away, because the
license allows you to do so, and the binary OR source software is complete within
itself, with no additional steps to be taken in order for subsequent redistributions.
The only cost of free software MIGHT be attribution, with no remuneration or contact
with the owner or any of his/her agents.
Non-free software adds constraints to a piece of software, where you must follow
guidelines which show that the software, itself isn't the entire gift. When you have
non-free software, in order to give it away, you might have to purchase a license, or
provide something that shows that the 'gift' has strings attached. Non-free software
makes the giving or receiving party perform certain activities before the transaction
is complete. Non-free software might require collection of information, providing
of non-autonomous information, paying fees, etc. Non-free software might even
provide for different gift-rules for different situations. Non-free software might
restrict the application for the software, and cause a derived work to be significantly
redistribution encumbered.) If a piece of software is free, the fact that a piece of
software is linked with it, and that free software is the only implementation
of the API, the license of the add-on software IS NOT modified by the fact that
it is compatible with the free software.
(GPL actually violates many of the above OBVIOUS notions of free software. )
Any conditions on redistribution (outside of the duplication of the entire works) and
any conditions that the redistribution be unmodified takes away the freedom from
the receiver of the gift. With free software, each individual keeps his freedom to
redistribute the code or any part of it, and doesn't add any additional constraints.
If someone adds redistribution constraints (other than attribution), than that piece
of software is no longer free.
I am NOT saying that there is ANYTHING wrong with the GPL. It is easy to pervert
the argument into arguing against the GPL. The simple fact is that the GPL is just
not a license that denotes free software, unless the all-too-common game of language
redefinition is allowed to persist.
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Woods)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:21:40 +0000 (UTC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Kulkis) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>Ian Woods wrote:
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Kulkis) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> >I am using my right to free speech for my purpose.
>> >
>> >If that annoys you, so be it.
>>
>> And your hugely impressive Usenet-convention-overriding and worthwhile
>> purpose is what?
>
>Keeping the kindling wet so that a royal flame-fest doesnt arise.
In terms of flame fests, this thread in comp.lang.c is getting rather
large.
>Look, you guys have NO idea of the amount of garbage I had to
>put up with before I composed the .sig.
And it isn't topical in comp.lang.c
>I really have absolutely NO FUCKING DESIRE to repeat the experience,
>let alone to subject you to all that crap.
Which again, is still not topical in comp.lang.c
>With Dejanews, it is VERY easy to find out EVERY newgroup in which
>someone posts. That's what I was dealing with...shitheads who
>followed me around all over USENET, to spew their lies.
Dejanews and it's ability to allow people to search for you and plague you
is not topical in comp.lang.c
>At this point, I really don't give a fuck whether *YOU* think
>my actions are wise or not...
Whether your actions are wise or not is not topical in comp.lang.c
>You haven't had to deal with it.
Whether or not I have dealt with it is not topical in comp.lang.c
>I did.
>The .sig was my solution, and it worked
Just two simple questions:
1) Why retain it if it has finished serving its purpose?
2) Why continue to post in comp.lang.c?
>If you can't accept that, then you can go fuck yourselves...
>and that means every last one of you
Self sexual satisfaction, strangely, isn't topical in comp.lang.c
>Comprende?
French or spanish? Either way, it's not topical in comp.lang.c
>If not, too fucking bad.
Ian Woods
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How would you do this with Linux ?
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:21:49 -0500
peter wrote:
>
> I've talk to a few small business and some STILL use a paper inventory
> system...WOW, so a smart, knowledgable person could go in and automate
> many facets of their business for very little cost (by using the right
> tools, etc).
>
> If I wanted to go into a business/factory (lets say a computer maker,
> furniture maker, or whatever) and automate the tracking of the work in
> progress and the finished the finished goods inventory.
>
> Of course, lets assume that they do not have a computerized inventory
> system, that everything is done in paper.
>
> So, using linux, we are going to set this up for the management and
> the workers.
>
> Let's look at this from:
>
> Hardware Side-
>
> So one or two servers, a few dumb telnet style machines for the
> workers to enter data directly into the database server.
>
> OR
>
> Use a Web style interface (win98 boxes), and a linux server running
> the database, etc.
>
> OR
>
> ???
>
> Software Side-
>
> Linux Server, Linux dumb terminals, Oracle or some "free" database
> (MySQL).
>
> Or
>
> Linux server and win98 for the workers (web based, to make it easy for
> them to enter data, etc).
>
> MISC-
>
> If this is a small company, 20-40 people, how much equipment would
> they need...Now, what if it's a large company, would WIN2K or Unix be
> a better choice and also use some professional inventory control
> software ?
Having worked for Kmart, in the group that supports the inventory
control computers in the warehouses...
the solution is this:
UNIX ===++================++====ETHERNET===========++
+--------+ +--------+ +--------+
|terminal| |terminal| |terminal|
|server 0| |server 1| * * * |server n|
++++++++++ ++++++++++ ++++++++++
|||||||| |||||||| ||||||||
|||||||+- tty00 |||||||+- tty10 |||||||+- ttyn0
||||||+-- tty01 ||||||+-- tty11 ||||||+-- ttyn1
|||||+--- tty02 |||||+--- tty12 |||||+--- ttyn2
||||+---- tty03 ||||+---- tty13 ||||+---- ttyn3
|||+----- tty04 |||+----- tty14 |||+----- ttyn4
||+------ tty05 ||+------ tty15 ||+------ ttyn5
|+------- tty06 |+------- tty16 |+------- ttyn6
+-------- tty07 +-------- tty17 +-------- ttyn7
all terminal servers are either serial-port servers, or radio
communications "serial-port servers"
all tty__ devices are either dumb terminals, printers, or
terminals that communicate over a radio-frequency link.
this is both cost effective, and very flexible.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:23:11 -0500
JS PL wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > Then why all the whining about a supposed microsoft tax. No one who has
> > > ever bought a computer in the history of man has been forced to pay
> extra
> > > for an OS they didn't want.
> >
> > Yes, they have.
>
> How so? At what time in history has it been impossible to buy the hardware
> to build your own computer? Seems to me that individual hardware channels
> were there long before people were building and selling packages that
> included MS Windows. Your about as dumb as they come.
The average consumer has no more interest in building his own
computer from scratch as he does in building a kit car.
now fuck off and die, idiot.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How would you do this with Linux ?
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:33:48 -0300
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> The wise man is mocked by fools
The people who consider such a phrase interesting have never grasped the
difference between necessary and sufficient conditions.
--
Roberto Alsina (often mocked by fools)
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:20:16 +0100
Jon Johanson wrote:
< nothing new >
Well, since you�re one of the faster win-guys here, you are just 2 days
late. This bogus stuff is already dissected as completely BS.
Next time come with something interesting.
Peter
--
Windows is just the instable version of Linux for users who are too
dumb to handle the real thing.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 22:36:12 +0000
> : Not counting that your program uses unistd.h,
>
> On my system, unistd.h is where write() is defined. The same function
> would be there on DOS under a different header file. Just change header
> files to make it work.
OK, my bad.
> : it would still not work
> : under DOS, because it has to finish before the next process starts.
>
> Yes, I know. My point exactly. DOS pipes are not pipes.
-Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 22:48:06 GMT
On 2 Mar 2001 19:33:32 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|In comp.os.linux.advocacy Peter K�hlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> Chad Myers wrote:
|>>
|>> It's like no one actually listens to what I say. They're so foaming
|>> at the mouth they pick out a few words and go on that.
|
|> Could it be that you are just keep on writing BS, Chad?
|
|>>
|>> I never said the links I posted were the end-all be all. It was merely
|>> to illustrate that SSH IS NOT perfect and has flaws and there doesn't
|>> seem to be a large effort by the SSH or OpenSSH folks to make sure
|>> that people running SSH have the latest updates.
|>>
|> You simply don�t get it, Chad. There is not a single case where someone
|> exploited SSH (version 1 and 2). Even if you repeat your stuff until
|> doomsday, noone will believe you, because it simply is not true.
|
|Yes there is actually. A quite famous one; rootshell was exploited
|and nuked because of an old ssh vulnerability about two years ago.
|
|But thats the only one.
They logged in via SSH, but used a password stoled via another method.
This method did not depend on any faults or bugs in SSH.
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