Linux-Advocacy Digest #703, Volume #32 Thu, 8 Mar 01 13:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: What does IQ measure? ("Mike")
Re: Computing Power to Peak SOON! (WAS: Moore's Law, continued...) ("Donal K.
Fellows")
Re: What does IQ measure? (Allisson)
Re: Linux Joke (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Sun Blade 100 (Shane Phelps)
Re: Windows emulators (Shane Phelps)
Re: Linux on it's way back to (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Peter Hayes)
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:10:33 GMT
"Brock Hannibal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mike wrote:
...
> > On the other hand, having a piece of paper that says I'm even smarter
than
> > Einstein only convinces the folks who believe that a two hour test can
> > accurately indicate intelligence. It sure doesn't convince me.
>
> Unfortunately you don't have a piece of paper that says you're
> smarter than Einstein, so we cannot test this vague and ill-formed
> hypothesis. I could write the paper for you, though.
You're right about the Einstein part: I was being sarcastic. But my score
was high enough to put me well into the 99th percentile.
-- Mike --
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computing Power to Peak SOON! (WAS: Moore's Law, continued...)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:05:35 +0000
Bloody Viking wrote:
> It's going to be awful hard to keep a chip cool at a heat flux of 100W/sq.in.
> We will never reach the 10KW chip, not by a long shot. It's already getting
> hard to aircool chips now, and the next logical step is liquid cooling with
> the water jacket integrated with the chip package, a water pump, the
> antifreeze, and a heat exchanger like a hotrod's oil cooler with fans.
I'm not too sure about using water. Though it has an excellent thermal
coefficient, it's conductivity (especially when you add the inevitable
contaminants) is pretty shocking in the case of a leak. However, not all
architectures are as stricken by heat problems as the Intels...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- There are worse futures that burning in hell. Imagine aeons filled with
rewriting of your apps as WinN**X API will change through eternity...
-- Alexander Nosenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allisson)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: 8 Mar 2001 11:15:56 -0500
[given the discussion at hand and the participants, I have no clue which
groups are relevant to trim. I appologize in advance if I've x-posted
in error]
The Danimal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mike wrote:
>> Stephen Jay Gould wrote a book a few years ago called "The Mismeasure of
>> Man," that looked at the history and practice of intelligence tests. It's
>> hard to read his book and still conclude that intelligence tests are
>> particularly useful.
>
>It gets considerably easier after you read some of the commentary
>on Gould's masterpiece of politically motivated deception. Start here:
>
>http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kmcguinn/kdoc/mom-review.htm
>
Having read some of Gould's work, I can say I find him a tad deceptive
as well. [Yes, Dan, I disliked both Gould and the Bell Curve.] The
yawn of a book "Full House" springs to mind. I'd quote some of it;
however,I donated it to the library prior to moving almost halfway
across the country.
>> It's even harder to look at the history of the tests,
>> and their attempts to distill intelligence down to a single number, and
>> conclude that we should place much faith in them at all.
>
>But we don't have to put "faith" in the tests. We put faith
>in the data, because irrationality is the only alternative to
>believing what you can measure repeatedly. See:
>
>http://www.sciam.com/specialissues/1198intelligence/1198gottfredbox2.html
>
>to get an idea of what IQ tests measure (a person's probabilities
>of particular social outcomes).
>
I found it interesting to note that I fell in the small percentages for
both illegitimate children and divorce. I do wonder if the divorce numbers
are so low for those in the top centiles of IQ solely because so few
of them marry in the first place.
Allisson
--
"Eating words has never given me indigestion" - Winston Churchill
You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him to find it
within himself." --Galileo Galilei [1564-1642]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Joke
Date: 8 Mar 2001 16:16:55 GMT
On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:50:03 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
>I don't think I've ever complained about root-exploits with SSH.
>What are you talking about?
Well you've spent most of the thred claiming that it's insecure. So if
there are no root exploits, what are the real-world problems faced by
someone running ssh ? (I'd argue that there aren't any, not any caused
by ssh anyway)
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun Blade 100
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 03:29:21 +1100
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > Tim Cain wrote:
> >
> > > Looks pretty interesting. I'm tickled pink at the thought of having
> > > a Sun box sitting in my home-study, but OTOH, what the hell would
> > > I do with all those MIPS/FLOPS or whatever?
> >
> > Just get a lower-end Sun, then, like for example, a Sparc-5 120 MHz (or
> > is that 150 MHz?).
> >
>
> Hard to say, Donn, on the Sparc-5... last time I checked on the price the
> 5's were running around $2000.
SPARC 5s have a good resale value. They were a good solid bit of gear.
I think most of them were 87MHz, BTW
> The Blade 100 is only $995 and runs at 500Mhz and is 64 bit instead of the
> 5's 32 bit processor. But, I bet
> that the 5's will drop down in price by quite a bit. Things like that
> happen.
>
The Netra X1 is the rackmount server equivalent. That's $995 as well.
Sun really seems to be pushing hard at the low end just now.
> That vax 4000... I'm getting it from a university and I was told it was
> running straight for 6 years without being
> shutdown or having any glitches. But I don't have the fine details to prove
> this. Its their claim. On the Suns an
> individual claimed to have been running one since 1999 without any shutdowns
> or reboots. Then he did an update and some memory upgrades which ended that
> streak.
Might've been me. A client of mine runs a good few SPARC 5s spread
around a
wide area. They've had a few go down due to power outages (too tight to
provide UPS protection) and a couple of disk failures. The rest were
commissioned in 1996, rebooted for the first time in 1999 in a rolling
swapout to upgrade from Solaris 2.5.1 to Solaris 2.6 (Y2K scare), then
rebooted again late last year to boost various shared memory parameters.
That's one of the few cases where Solaris needs to be rebooted for software
reasons; almost everything else is in modules. A couple of those boxes
turned out to have been running for months with one of the pair of mirrored
disks failed.
On average, probably < 30 minutes downtime/box/year
Of course, SPARC 5s weren't especially cheap machines in 1996.
If the Netra X1 or Sun Blade 100 comes anywhere near the reliability
of the old SPARC5 they'll be awesome beasties.
[ snip ]
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows emulators
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 03:35:43 +1100
Michael Mamone wrote:
>
> It seems that the demands of Uni mean the end of my "No Windows" policy.
> I still want to maintain my dignity, however, so I'd like to try out
> VMWare or Win4Lin.
> What would I find better, Win4Lin running '98 (advantage of speed), or
> something like VMWare (advantage of more 'robust' MS OS's).
>
> Ta.
>
VMWare is *very* good, but expensive.
Win4Lin is much less ambitious, but costs a lot less.
If you just need to run a few Windows apps Win4Lin is probably enough.
OTOH, if you have a reasonable amount of horsepower and RAM VMWare's
academic pricing is pretty good.
It really depends on what you need to run...
and there's always the dual-boot option.
[ geeksnip ]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Linux on it's way back to
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:51:24 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Donovan Rebbechi
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 6 Mar 2001 23:37:45 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 20:18:22 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Bloody Viking
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>If Microsoft develops the next "killer app" (parse that any way you
>>like :-) ), Linux may run into major problems. Even now, things like
>>DeCSS have been thrown into a gray legal area, which means Linux may
>>have problems playing DVDs --
>
>No, it doesn't. It means that Linux needs to play by the same rules as
>everyone else.
>
>>computing in homes and possibly home offices. The Napster situation
>>casts a pall over the entire Internet (the Internet being a *marvelous*
>
>The Napster situation merely casts doubt over the entire warez
>scene, nothing new here.
>
>>method for downloading copyrighted Webpages, among other things).
>
>Downloading copyrighted webpages is another thing entirely. It's easy
>to justify as fair use.
Depends.
A single webpage, yes -- but wget makes it very easy to get
an entire *site*. I'd be hard pressed to defend that as fair use.
>
>>I suspect this will be dealt with in some fashion. Mind you, Microsoft's
>>track record has been less than stellar. Consider "BOB". I suspect
>>Microsoft would just as soon forget about "BOB". WinMe is warmed-over
>>Win98, which itself is warmed-over Win95+IE, which is a jazzed-up
>>Win3.11 with a new (and visually pretty, but functionally ugly) GUI
>>slapped on -- I'd just as soon shoot the horizontal scrollbar in the
>>COMMDLG FileOpen dialog, for example; that's just stupid.
>
>Win 95 does add real functionality to 3.1. It's not just Win 3.1 with
>a pretty face tacked on. In fact that's part of the problem -- the
>fact that it's burdened by so many layers of compatibility. There's
>only so much stuff you can tack onto DOS (which was quite good BTW --
>it was simple and it did a certain job well) before it gets ugly.
True; it did add a true Win32, as opposed to Win32s which was, as
I understand it, a 32 -> 16 "thunker". (This is somewhat akin to
dropping in a new engine, however. Many people will notice the pep,
but few will look at the engine proper.)
And Windows NT ain't pretty either. :-) At least, not as far as
I am concerned.
>
>--
>Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
>elflord at panix dot com
--
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All hail the Invisible Pink Unicorn (pbuh)!
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:59:17 -0500
Mike wrote:
>
> "Anonymous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Edward Rosten wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > A true IQ test would have to involve pictures and patterns, and
> > > >> > perhaps have some mathematical basis, because these are the only
> > > >> > ideas that translate well all over the world.
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't believe there is a true IQ test. People are good at different
> > > >> thing.
> > > >
> > > > BULLSHIT.
> > > >
> > > > There is are VERY strong correlations between doing well on a
> > > > well-designed IQ test, and the ability to quickly learn and perform
> well
> > > > at any other randomly selected task. (Quickly as compared to the rate
> > > > at which an IQ 100 person [statistical mean] would learn).
> > >
> > > The only thing that IQ tests measure is how good you are at IQ tests.
> > >
> > > They put no emphasis on precision over speed, for instance.
> > >
> > > The kind of person that works slowly but precisely and creatively scores
> > > poorly in IQ tests.
>
> Stephen Jay Gould wrote a book a few years ago called "The Mismeasure of
> Man," that looked at the history and practice of intelligence tests. It's
> hard to read his book and still conclude that intelligence tests are
> particularly useful. It's even harder to look at the history of the tests,
> and their attempts to distill intelligence down to a single number, and
> conclude that we should place much faith in them at all.
Steven Jay Gould's views of biological science are as badly wracked
by political ideology as any German or Russian scientist working in
their respective homelands during the 1930's.
On the other hand Stephen Jay Gould has known for DECADES that the
"comparative embryology" illustrations used in textbooks to
foster the notion that more advanced species go through phases
in which they appear to have gills and other traits of lower
animals....are FALSE...and never said a word about it...because
to that wouldn't serve his (leftist-socialist) political agenda.
Knowing this, why should we believe him when he writes some other
treatise which conveniently dovetails with his political agenda.
>
> I was tested when I was in 4th grade. I don't remember much from the test,
> but the few things I do remember were puzzles, similar to what Mensa
> publishes. I kinda like puzzles, and I rarely miss a question in the Mensa
> tests. It's not because I'm so smart, though: it's because I've seen almost
> all the puzzles before, so I know the answer as soon as I see the question.
> If that's all there was to this intelligence business, I'd be another
> Einstein.
>
> On the other hand, having a piece of paper that says I'm even smarter than
> Einstein only convinces the folks who believe that a two hour test can
> accurately indicate intelligence. It sure doesn't convince me.
>
> -- Mike --
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:00:34 -0500
The Danimal wrote:
>
> Mike wrote:
> > Stephen Jay Gould wrote a book a few years ago called "The Mismeasure of
> > Man," that looked at the history and practice of intelligence tests. It's
> > hard to read his book and still conclude that intelligence tests are
> > particularly useful.
>
> It gets considerably easier after you read some of the commentary
> on Gould's masterpiece of politically motivated deception. Start here:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's funny...Gould's politics were the first thing that jumped
into MY mind when I read Mike's paragraph, too.
>
> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kmcguinn/kdoc/mom-review.htm
>
> > It's even harder to look at the history of the tests,
> > and their attempts to distill intelligence down to a single number, and
> > conclude that we should place much faith in them at all.
>
> But we don't have to put "faith" in the tests. We put faith
> in the data, because irrationality is the only alternative to
> believing what you can measure repeatedly. See:
>
> http://www.sciam.com/specialissues/1198intelligence/1198gottfredbox2.html
>
> to get an idea of what IQ tests measure (a person's probabilities
> of particular social outcomes).
>
> --- the Danimal
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:06:22 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 25 Feb 2001 13:18:30 -0700, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
<...>
> > > Certain layout applications use their own printer definitions so that
> > > WYSIWYG actually works correctly.
> >
> > Maybe some do, but the ones I use don't.
>
> Some linux application do as well (gimp, WordPerfect 7), but the vast
> majority don't.
Not so.
StarOffice 5.2 has its own drivers, or offers "system" drivers, I'm not
sure which, but I suspect it has its own because a driver for my Epson
Stylus Color doesn't appear on its list. In any event, the StarOffice test
page just form feeds the paper, but prints nothing, so that's one Linux
product that's useless for me... not surprising, I guess, if it doesn't
have a driver for my printer and fails to route print data via CUPS.
LyX looks nice, but it also merely exercises the form feed motor. Looking
at the documentation, it has a massively convoluted system for printing,
which keeps the processor working flat out for several minutes, but all it
produces is a blank page.
Are these Linux Oopsies, Mandrake Oopsies, StarOffice and LyX Oopsies, or
my Oopsies????????
I'm sure a little more research will uncover swathes of apps that have
their own ideas about printing.
Kword, part of Koffice 2.0.1, works as I and any other sane person would
expect, but it hasn't much idea about fonts. Oh, and Kword crashes into
oblivion if you ask it to print but there's no printer, or it's not
switched on.
AbiWord works ok. So do the little text editors like gedit, nedit
texteditor.
So it's not quite true to say that "the vast majority" don't have their own
drivers. It's a lottery whether your app will print using the so-called
"installed" or "default" printer.
In the Windows world, these apps wouldn't last five minutes if the user
didn't get an intellegent output from File -> Print.
Peter
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