Linux-Advocacy Digest #733, Volume #32 Fri, 9 Mar 01 22:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (Austin Ziegler)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: > 40 Bank's hacked by russion mafia: NT servers of course (mlw)
Re: Macintosh as an alternative to Windows?? (Michael Vester)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Anonymous)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Lotus Notes Client for Linux (Marten Kemp)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market (Terry Porter)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Aaron Kulkis)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:15:34 -0500
On 10 Mar 2001, Steve Mading wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : On 9 Mar 2001, Steve Mading wrote:
> :> Embrace-and-extend is a working way to make the original less useful.
> :> Consider HTML. MS originally opposed the internet and web browsing,
> :> preferring an AOL/Prodigy/Compuserve type of model for their MSN. When
> :> it became clear that it wouldn't work, they instead embraced and
> :> extended the technology, so that now there are some websites out there
> :> that don't work worth a damn if don't use Internet Explorer. They
> :> did this by glomming onto a fairly open protocol (HTML) and adding things
> :> that didn't improve it one bit, they merely made it incompatable.
> : Sorry, but Netscape gets that honour first -- and the stuff that I've
> : been reading says that IE is still more compatible than Netscape -- but
> : not necessarily Mozilla.
> Who did it first doesn't change the fact that it was done. Propeitary
> extensions can kill an open protocol, which is all I was trying to
> say.
HTML isn't dead, though. Seems to me that plain webpages are still around.
-f
--
austin ziegler * Ni bhionn an rath ach mar a mbionn an smacht
Toronto.ON.ca * (There is no Luck without Discipline)
=================* I speak for myself alone
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:43:00 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said nuxx in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:03:44 +0800;
> >"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:97miug$8dr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >> Well, not everything is perfect on Linux. For instance yesterday,
> >> >> >> while I was testing the NIC of a new laptop, it continuously
> >> >> >> complaining about network being unreachable, instead of telling
me
> >> >> >> plainly that the network cable I was using was unplugged at the
> >> >> >> other side. :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> > That's only because the your NIC manufacturer didn't include the
Time
> >> >> > Domain Reflectometer option . :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> They did but It(tm) is Only(tm) Avaliable(tm) under Micros~1(R)
Windows
> >> >> (tm).
> >> >>
> >> >> -Ed
> >> >
> >> > Well, I've not yet wiped clean the Win(tm) 98(tm) the laptop came
with.
> >> > Tomorrow I'll test in the same conditions with Micros~2(R)
Windows(tm)
> >> > 98(tm), and I'll let you know. After all, I had to pay for it, so I
can
> >> > use it.
> >>
> >> If you read the docs very carefully, you'll find that they haven't
> >> implemented this new feature yet :-)
> >>
> >> As an aside, I don't know why NIC card manufacturers haven't put a
> >> machanism on the crads to detect an unplugged cable. It shouldn't be
too
> >> hard since when plugged in, the cable is plugged in to a matched load,
so
> >> no reflections occur. When it is unplugged, the signals should get
> >> reflected, which should not be too hard to detect.
> >
> >Win2k has this built in - disconnect the cable and see what happens.
Works
> >well.
>
> Let me guess; it pops up one of those "is it modal or isn't it?" dialog
> boxes, requiring clicking the OK button before you can do anything else
> (except shift windows around) every one minute when it detects a link
> loss.
>
> Or maybe it just pops it up once, but thereafter there is no way at all
> to tell the difference between the cable not being connected, the
> hardware not working, or the driver failing.
>
> Or else it says "someone may have unplugged the cable" for any link
> loss.
>
> I would be very surprised if it "works well", quite frankly.
It pop up a floating message saying "cable is unplugged" (which also happens
if the computer/hub on the other side was disconnected or turned off).
There is no way you can mistake that for hardware or driver failure.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:43:56 +0200
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 06:57:04 -0000, Ray Chason
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Xlib, OTOH, is simply inadequate for GUI programming of any kind.
>
> Makes sense. It wasn't intended for applications programming. It was
> intended to be used to build widget sets.
>
>
> > You really need that widget set. From here springs the great weakness
> > of X as a user interface. We have GTK+ and Qt, and they don't look
> > the same and they don't interoperate seamlessly.
>
> Oh, it is much, much, worse than that. There is also athena, athena-3d,
> motif (v1 and v2), openlook, tk, and probably more that I've forgot.
> How will we ever manage?
How about standatising on something?
Seems to work pretty well on communication area.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: > 40 Bank's hacked by russion mafia: NT servers of course
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:54:02 -0500
Frank Crawford wrote:
>
> On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:30:05 +0000,"Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (in
> message <1G6q6.30453$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>):
>
> > Unless... could it be? Of course. More subtle humor.
> >
>
> Mike, you're to good.
>
> (too?)
Too
The count of two
Me to
Too many windows users.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Macintosh as an alternative to Windows??
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:37:18 -0700
"Bryant Charleston, MCSE" wrote:
>
> There's a lot of flak going back and forth over the issue of whether Windows
> will ever truly be "challenged" in the "desktop" area by Linux. A HUGE
> benefit of Linux is that it's open-source, and therefore free... as are the
> applications that come with it. The biggest problems supposedly are: 1) it's
> (lack of?) ability to automatically detect hardware (which I, for one, have
> seen great improvement in, from dealing w/RedHat7), and 2) the lack of Linux
> applications, which are "reliably-compatible" with what everyone else (in
> the Windows "world") is using (this is why I personally was curious about
> Star Office 5.2's compatibility w/MS Office 97/2000, as far as being able to
> produce *.docs that could be read by Office 97/2000).
>
> 1) What do you folks feel about the Mac OS, as an alternative to Windows in
> the desktop arena? The Mac OS is obviously an "established", easy-to-use OS,
> and is chosen by many folks (over Windows) for various reasons. It appears
> to be Microsoft's biggest opposition in the home-use category, and there's
> plenty of industry support for it (software, downloads, etc), including even
> Microsoft software. No one can say that you have to be a "rocket scientist"
> to use it, which is one of the first excuses that a typical Microft advocate
> would say about *nix systems. What do you folks think about this?
>
Mac makes a wonderful desktop. Apple has all the control between the OS
and the hardware, it should be good. I have installed many Mac's for
publishing companies. Back in those days, it was Netware on the server
side. Mac's are not very good with the multi-user concepts. I have never
seen a Mac server in my travels. It would be a waste of a machine, one so
dedicated to being easy to use.
> 2) Has the Mac OS ever been "ported" to run on an Intel CPU (other than via
> "emulation")? If it were, would the Mac OS stand a chance of satisfying
> those folks out there who have the "use ANYTHING but Microsoft" view?
>
Mac is a Motorola beast. A port would lose many Mac features. If it was
possible to do, it would run very slowly. Motorola makes a much better cpu
than Intel (the forgotten monopoly chip maker). Remember, there are two
monopolies, Microsoft and Intel (the proud producers of the 8008
enhanced).
> 3) How does the Mac OSes stability compare to Unix/Linux? (never heard/saw
> any studies addressing this, so I really don't know).
>
Pretty good as a desktop. Much better than losedos. In certain businesses
like publishing, Mac's are more cost effective. I have an old Mac Plus
which I acquired solely to run Hypercard, an extremely sophisticated
development tool in its time. The hypercard idea was attempted on losedos
by at least two companies (their names are on the tip of my tongue). Both
were unusable because of speed. Over a minute to update a screen using
486/66 running losedos 3.1.
Networking is a snap between Linux and Mac. The best of both worlds.
> Just curious...
> --
>
> ...................................................
> Bryant C Charleston
> A+ Network + MCP MCSE (NT4)
> Linux (RedHat7) Enthusiast
>
> ....................................................
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 19:00:31 -0700
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
aaron wrote:
> > best represented by a single number. IQ tests may be good at measuring
>
>
> Those who have devoted DECADES of their lives to investigating
> the phenomenon called intelligence are in universal agreement that
> you are wrong.
well, it's that or get a day job
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:08:35 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Scott Gardner wrote:
> :>
> :> On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 06:43:45 -0800, Brock Hannibal
> :> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :>
> :> >> The only thing that IQ tests measure is how good you are at IQ tests.
> :> >
> :> >That's something dumb people say.
> :> >
> :>
> :> When said in that exact trite manner, I would agree. I would argue,
> :> however, that it contains a grain of truth. Tell me honestly that a
> :> person that takes a lot of standardized tests (IQ tests and other
> :> types) isn't going to get progressively better at it.
>
> : Taking a lot of standardized tests does NOTHING to improve
> : your mastery of the material. At best, you would learn more
> : efficient ways to color the little circles or rectangles.
>
> Not true. There *is* a skillset for dealing with multiple choice
> tests that is learned over time. Knowing, for example, that even
> though answer A looks right you should still read the rest of them
> becasue they sometimes have more than one right answer and an option
> exists for "Both A and B are true". This isn't something one is likely
> to know if he hasn't taken many mulitple choice tests before, no matter
> how intelligent he may be. The stragey of doing the questions out of
> order, hitting all the quick ones first before doing the ones that take
> more time, assuming all the questions are weighted equally, is a skill
> learned by taking many multiple choice tests. Someone who knows
> these things is likely to score better than someone who doesn't,
> even if they have the same natural intelligence.
None of which has anything to do with well-developed IQ tests.
Most IQ tests are free-form, not multiple guess.
>
> The problem with IQ tests is that you cannot scientifically isolate
> intelligence and measure it all by itself. The test will always
> have other factors attached to it, like language exposure. Someone
> who can read faster, not because he's smarter, but because he's got
Most IQ tests aren't even presented in written form.
> a history of doing a lot of reading and he's well-trained in it, will
reading for enjoyment is predicated on the premise that the reader
sees more than just squiggly black lines on white paper when he
reads...that these activate the imagination, which plays sounds
and imagery in the reader's head.
This is why the less intelligent people prefer movies more than
the original novels....because intelligence correlates very highly
with self-induced hypnotic activities such as visual and auditory
hallucinations from even low-stimulation activities like looking
at squiggly black lines on a white background.
Those at the low end of the IQ scale need much more powerful
stimuli, such as stereoscope and surround-sound before they
can fully immerse themselves into an idea.
> score better than someone with the same intelligence who just hasn't
> read as much. The degenerate example of this would be some isolated
> kid who's parents never put him in school and never taught him how
> to read. He might be highly intelligent but still lacking the chance
> to pick up language skills.
This is similar to arguing that one's genetic potential for
musculature doesn't exist, because you can always find some
child of well-muscled parents who is weak and scrawny after
years of being malnurished while locked in a closet without
exercise.
Exceptions do not make the rule, and in most cases, the reasons
that the exceptions *are* exceptions are readily apparent to
even the most casual of observers.
>
> The ability to communicate well is not necessarily a perfect indicator
> of intelligence, yet it is a highly important factor that cannot be
> removed from IQ tests.
The ability to communicate IS in a factor *OF* intelligence.
Do you know why?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Marten Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.groupware.lotus-notes.misc
Subject: Re: Lotus Notes Client for Linux
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:15:13 GMT
Jarmo Ahonen wrote:
>
> Marten Kemp wrote:
>
> > Jarmo Ahonen wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > If you out there would like to buy a Linux version
> > > of Lotus Notes Client, please go and fill the
> > > Notes Client Platform survey at
> > > www.notes.net
> > >
> > > Let IBM/Lotus/Iris know that you want a
> > > native Linux client. (At least my employer
> > > would like to buy quite a few.)
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Jarmo Ahonen
> >
> > Is there a Notes server, or do I have to use Domino?
> > -- Marten Kemp
>
> Hi,
>
> Notes server = Domino. Naming coventions, you know. :-)
>
> Best regards
>
> Jarmo Ahonen
Aha! I work at IBM and I rummaged around the intranet trying to find a
definitive answer. Most of what I found said stuff about how Domino does
Notes and websites, is the greatest thing since canned beer, yadda,
yadda, marketron-speak.... I thought that there might be a Notes-only
server somewhere. This means that I *could* set up a private Notes
domain under Linux in the test lab just for grins [large S/390 hardware
and terabytes of disk space to play with]. "Be the first one on your
block. Amaze your friends." I can hardly wait.
-- Marten Kemp
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:15:56 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Brock Hannibal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> :>chrisv wrote:
> :>> Well, no reasonable person can deny that their are different talents
> :>> related to your brain that are not measured by IQ tests. In my own
> :>> case, I do plenty well on IQ tests, but, if asked to draw something
> :>> artistically, I do very poorly. Am I "smarter" than a person with
> :>> more artistic talent but less mathematical talent than me?
> :>
> :>Well, if you redefine intelligence to include artistic talent you
> :>have a point. Fortunately , artistic talent is called artistic
> :>talent, not intelligence. Musical talent is not intelligence.
> :>Athletic prowess is not intelligence. Emotional empathy is not
> :>intelligence. Why do people try to equate things that are not the
> :>same?
>
> : Well, I think that's the heart of this issue. You may in fact be
> : right, in that this narrow definition of "intelligence" is
> : scientifically correct. However, it's common for popular usages of
> : terms to become broader than what is strictly correct.
>
> Other way 'round, actually. The broader usage typically exists
> FIRST, and then they scientific definition is nailed down later.
> Consider "force". The word already existed before Issac Newton
> decided it should represent mass times accelleration. It's an
> arbitrary made-up defintion because scientists need to talk to
> each other in precise terms. It's truly unfortunate that scientists
> often pick terms that already *have* definitions and then redefine
> them for their use. Making up new lingo for a field of study is
However, in the sense that Newton used "force", it was already
in use. Newton merely found a way to describe it mathematically.
For example, inertia ( mass times velocity(*)), force ( mass times
acceleration(**)) and impulse (mass times jerk(***)) are not
merely defined differently in the world of physics...they are
used differenly in everyday speech.
dx
* velocity = --
dt
2
d x
** Acceleration = ---
2
dt
3
d x
*** jerk = ---
3
dt
> perfectly legitimate, but unless great care is taken you can often
> accidentally slip into false equivocation fallacies when you use
> words that already HAD a definition before science gave them a
> new one. That's what's happening here. The scientific definition
> of intelligence doesn't match up well with the common usage
> way the word was used before the psychiatrists nailed it down.
>
> : Thus, you have
> : some people arguing that IQ tests are not a good way to measure
> : intelligence. I think both sides of this issue have good points.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 10 Mar 2001 02:16:25 GMT
On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 19:08:02 GMT, chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>When you buy a Red Hat or SuSE or Mandrake or whatever distribution
>>you desire...you ***GET*** ***THOUSANDS**** ***OF*** ****APPS****
>>with the distribution.
>
>Read the thread you dumbass. My point was it there's thousands of
>Windows apps on the shelves, and NONE (essentially) for Linux. This
>is GOOD for Windows, and BAD for Linux, understand? No amount of
>squiming is going make make this a bonus of being a Linux user.
>
Then your point was irrellevant, chrisv, you Forte posting Windows user.
Linux doesn't need the thousands of apps Windows has on the "$helves"
because in most cases better apps are available for FREE, by d/l from the net.
Your Windows sales paradigm is not applicable here.
Linux is **NOT** Windows.
Terry
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:25:33 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Scott Gardner wrote:
> :>
> :> On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:49:34 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> :> wrote:
> :>
> :> >
> :> >Part of the definition of intelligence is arriving at the correct
> :> >answer quickly.
> :> >
> :> >If you gave a 13-year old child the following math problem:
> :> >
> :> > X = 20 / 4
> :> >
> :> > What is X?
> :> >
> :> >
> :> What about the (possibly apocryphal) story of the classroom that is
> :> given the assignment to add up all the integers from 1 to 100? All of
> :> the students but one immediately see the method to the solution, and
> :> start adding 1+2+3+4+5..., while one lone student just stares at his
> :> paper in silencScott Gardner wrote:
> :>
> :> On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:49:34 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> :> wrote:
> :>
> :> >
> :> >Part of the definition of intelligence is arriving at the correct
> :> >answer quickly.
> :> >
> :> >If you gave a 13-year old child the following math problem:
> :> >
> :> > X = 20 / 4
> :> >
> :> > What is X?
> :> >
> :> >
> :> What about the (possibly apocryphal) story of the classroom that is
> :> given the assignment to add up all the integers from 1 to 100? All of
> :> the students but one immediately see the method to the solution, and
> :> start adding 1+2+3+4+5..., while one lone student just stares at his
> :> paper in silence. The teacher notices this, and goes over to help the
> :> student along. When she approaches him, he looks up and says "The
> :> answer is 5,050." He figured out that the 100 numbers in question
> :> could be grouped into 50 pairs of numbers (1,100), (2,99), (2,98),
> :> etcetera, and that furthermore, each of those pairs of numbers summed
> :> to 101. The product of 50 times 101 is a pretty easy calculation, and
> :> results in the correct answer of 5,050. Additionally, he could do the
> :> same thing with an arbitrarily long string of sequential integers, so
> :> even if his exercise had taken longer than the other students, (which
> :> it probably didn't), it could be argued that his was the more
> :> "intelligent" approach, even if he didn't figure out this method as
> :> quickly as the other students figured out the "brute force" method.
>
> : That was Karl Friedrich Gauss (1777-1855).
> : Are you implying that Gauss was not a VERY intelligent man?
>
> Read his post. He was implying just the opposite. That even
> though he took *longer* to figure out what to do, his was a
No, he did NOT take longer to figure it out.
The teacher gave the "add up the series of integers from
1 to 100" as a way to keep her students occupied with some
busywork so that he/she could take a break from teaching them
to do something.
The teacher looked up from whatever he/she was doing, and Gauss
was fooling around rather than diligently adding up the numbers
like his classmates.
The teacher then went to Gauss's desk to get him to "get with the
program" and find the answer to the problem....and was
shocked to discover that Gauss had the solution fully worked
out BEFORE most of his classmates were even up to summation
of 1, 2, 3 .... 15.
You see, what got Gauss noticed was not so much that he
came up with the "50 x (100 + 1)" solution....but that
he formulated this solution while his classmates were
still summing the single-digit numbers.
> *better* solution in the long run. He was trying to counter
> your notion that intelligent == fast. The problem with his
> approach is that Karl's solution was *also* faster, since he
> had his answer first.
At this point, I can only say that you have TOTALLY
misunderstood the story of Gauss.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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