Linux-Advocacy Digest #739, Volume #32 Sat, 10 Mar 01 07:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Customising Wrap-Up Screen. (WAS: "It is now safe to shut off your computer")
("Ayende Rahien")
Re: C# ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Sun Blade 100 ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Sun Blade 100 ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: The Double Fucking ala MS... (Peter Hayes)
Re: Sun Blade 100 ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: The GPL if you are curious. (Andres Soolo)
Re: NICE TO SEE A POSITIVE SPIN OFF FOR POOR COUNTRIES ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Is Bill Gates MAD?!?!? (Peter Hayes)
Re: Microsoft's .NET Vision (Peter Hayes)
Re: Customising Wrap-Up Screen. (WAS: "It is now safe to shut off your computer")
("Matthew Gardiner")
Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market ("al")
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Customising Wrap-Up Screen. (WAS: "It is now safe to shut off your
computer")
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:42:26 +0200
"Bloody Viking" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:98cbo4$75t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> I just got done customising the Windows 95 wrap-up screen, the "it's now
safe
> to turn off your computer" screen. It now says:
>
> It's now safe to type "mode co80 and light off UNIX, the OS Bill Gates
hates!
> GNU's Not UNIX!!!
>
> Thanks! That was after a few hours of quality coding time working on a pet
> snail billpay proggie in C on Linux. For what it's worth, Linux IS UNIX in
my
> book, it's a GNU freeware UNIX.
>
> Ah, the pleasure of having the OS of Big Iron on a PC. UNIX is the OS of
Big
> Iron computing, and while we may enjoy it on our boxes, it will always be
THE
> OS of Big Iron. How could anyone pass up the chance to play with an OS
like
> Linux, a PC freeware UNIX? Maybe some of us are hackers (in the good sense
of
> the word) after all. (:
Why won't you get Solaris? A true Unix, free (unless you got a monster for a
workstation) and work on x86.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C#
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:07:59 -0600
"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > No, Java was designed with interpretation as the *ONLY* option (or
rather,
> > they didn't consider other options when they designed it), JITing was
added
> > years after Java was designed.
>
> It's not interpreted in the strict sense. The java source files are
> *compiled* into bytecodes (class files) that a virtual machine then
> executes. Java is interpreted in the sense that a VM is required to
> execute the bytecodes, but the java programming text must be compiled
> first. Hence, it's not an interpreted language in the pedantic sense.
For all intents and purposes, Java bytecodes are Java. The bytecodes are
translated to assembly one byte code at a time and executed one byte code at
a time in a JVM such as Sun's 1.1 JVM. In a JVM that uses a JIT compiler,
the bytecodes are translated to native assembly in batches, but even though
most JIT's do some minor optimizing, the vast majority of their benefit is
in the reduced overhead of batch translation (usually one function at a
time).
Sun's HotSpot took many years to develop (especially if you count the fact
that Sun bought it, and it had been in development for years before Sun
bought it), and is about the only truly optimizing java JIT I know of. So,
HotSpot is making up for the fact that the Java bytecode isn't optimized for
batch translation, but rather individual translation by (in effect)
decompiling the byte code then recompiling it in a more optimized fashion.
Since Java is intended to be distributed in byte-code form, Sun cannot
depend on the end user having a JIT, as such they cannot pre-optimize for
JIT in javac without non-JIT implementations taking a serious performance
hit.
MSIL doesn't need to do this. There will *ALWAYS* be a JIT, so the compiler
that produces IL can assume this to be true and pre-optimize for batch
translation. There is no such thing as a .NET interpreter.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun Blade 100
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:27:19 GMT
yeap, probably self-ricious dick heads who use Linux over Solaris, not
because is is better, but because it is not proprietry! geeze, get a fucking
life, its like running NT on a Alpha box, a 32bit os on a 64bit box, what a
fucking waste! its like getting a BMW and putting a Lada motor into it!
Matthew Gardiner
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> > DOn't waste your time running crap on a Sparc, use Solaris for
> > christsake!
>
> There are a number of satisfied sparc-linux users who
> would take issue with your statements.
>
> > more stable, developed and hardware support for Solaris
> > Sparc than Linux Sparc.
>
> Some people want to run Linux so they can have a single
> OS and a single set of management tools across all their
> hardware platforms - from handheld/pda to mainframe &
> supercomputer.
>
> I know that a few years ago a certain UC campus moved
> their CS dept off of Solaris onto Linux - mail, dns, nis, nfs,
> shell accounts, file/print services etc - and even installed
> Linux on their sparc hardware. It's been a few years now,
> but last I heard they claimed it was more manageable with
> Linux.
>
> jjs
>
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:31:50 +0200
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Austin Ziegler wrote:
>
> > Sorry, but Netscape gets that honour first -- and the stuff that I've
> > been reading says that IE is still more compatible than Netscape -- but
> > not necessarily Mozilla.
>
> More compatible with what?
>
> In any case, what good is ie to someone who doesn't
> use ms windows?
Solaris? Mac? HP-UX (?) ?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:35:03 +0200
"Paul Colquhoun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:12:38 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |
> |"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> |news:98bes2$f5a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> |
> |
> |> Embrace-and-extend is a working way to make the original less useful.
> |> Consider HTML. MS originally opposed the internet and web browsing,
> |> preferring an AOL/Prodigy/Compuserve type of model for their MSN. When
> |> it became clear that it wouldn't work, they instead embraced and
> |> extended the technology, so that now there are some websites out there
> |> that don't work worth a damn if don't use Internet Explorer. They
> |> did this by glomming onto a fairly open protocol (HTML) and adding
things
> |> that didn't improve it one bit, they merely made it incompatable.
> |
> |Yes, MS embraced & extended this attidue from Netscape.
> |<BLINK>, anyone?
>
>
> Including a <blink> tak in your page didn't stop people being able to view
it
> with IE (or Lynx, etc.)
<blink> is *annoying*.
> |IE 5.5 was the most standard compliant browser when it was released, but
you
> |don't bother to mention that.
> |The reason so many things works on IE only is Netscape's fault. The long
> |history of 4.XX drove people away from the platfrom.
>
>
> Netscape is forcing people to use IE-only "features"?
> How does that work?
Lousy support for anything remotedly sophisticated, ignoring standards
completely, etc.
Basically, making the web developer job harder than it should be.
BTW, I'm talking NS here, not Mozilla.
I've reasons not to like Mozilla, but difference from Netscape.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun Blade 100
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:49:23 +1300
I think the purpose of Compaq buying out Tandem and Digital was to
(hopefully), get itself in a better situation to get into the highly
competitive UNIX market. SGI is going down the toilet fast, they can't
market to save themselves, they have NO clear direction, are they Wintel,
Lintel, IRIX, people want stability from their hardware vendor, HP sells
overpriced workstations/servers based around their PA-RISC processor, the
question looms, are they going to drop support for PA-RISC once Itanium has
been released? they have been heavily involved in the development of Itanium
processor, and from what I have heard, it has alot of the good qualities
from the PA-RISC processor. Thens theres IBM, nice machines, except one
problem, FUCK ALL SOFTWARE! nice to have a well designed OS, but it an't
great if ya hardware is out of the reach of most business and users, what
makes matters worse, as a solutions company, after the INCIS debarcle in New
Zealand (later fixed up by UNISYS), IBM doesnot really have a good image.
Now, thats leaves Linux, SUN Microsystems, and small vendors. I can't
comment on the US market, however, Linux is having a major impact on the NZ
business landscape. Many businesses who need to upgrade cannot afford the
costs associated with upgrading from NT to 2000, and many, are either
sticking to NT, while others are moving to either Linux solutions such as
the cobalt qube, or from SUN, the rack ($NZ2300 + GST (12.5%)), so, from my
point of view, Microsoft has no hope in winning over New Zealand businesses.
Matthew Gardiner
"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > And now that Compaq bought out digital they have sat on the Alpha chip
> > doing fuck all development! Fuck, if I was Compaq and spent billions
> > buying the bloody company, I would use the alpha technology to its full
> > potential, instead, they are sitting on the alpha CPU and selling third
> > rate 32bit servers to the stupid wintel crowd, never dominated by
> > techno-people, but by CEOs and C*O's who want to suck bills cock instead
> > of getting a decent server and setup.
>
> True -- Compaq is a very sad excuse for a computer company. Also bear
> in mind the fact that Compaq is selling crappy, watered-down OEM
> versions of otherwise excellent Asus mobo's in their crappy Winternet
> PC's, complete with crappy WinHW where ever appropriate. Good lord, it
> had to be Compaq that "saved" digital. I sure someone comes along and
> saves Digital. It was a fine company until Win-shit-HW maker Compaq
> came along.
>
>
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Double Fucking ala MS...
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:51:41 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:34:37 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve Mading wrote:
> >
> > Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > : On 7 Mar 2001 08:48:05 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking) wrote:
> >
> > :>
> > :> Michael Vester ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > :> : snoopygates wrote:
> > :>
> > :> : > w2k just came out and they haven't sat down to fix the bugs. Now they are
> > :> : > forcing the new windows on us. When will it ever stop?
> > :>
> > :> : Not as long as the can make piles of money.
> > :>
> > :> Actually a stop sign is in sight. The minute that Intel can no longer deliver
> > :> on faster chips to run the more bloated software, the upgrade-go-round will
> > :> collapse, and like yeast in a jug of fermenting grape juice swimming in their
> > :> own excrement, Microsoft will have to die off.
> >
> > : M$ will rewrite their bloatware more efficiently. More efficient routines
> > : and tighter code in general will produce a faster more reliable product
> > : which they'll market as something new. Benchmarks will encourage the
> > : unknowing to re-invest in what they already have, or more accurately what
> > : they should have been sold in the first place. I wouldn't be surprised if
> > : this was already part of M$'s game plan. Maybe they write tight code and
> > : bloat it up so they've ensured a fall back position for when things go
> > : wrong.
> >
> > But taking bad code and just trying to tighten it up is damn near
> > impossible. Efficient tight running has to be a goal from day 1,
> > it can't be added in later.
>
> But you can take good code, and introduce crap into it, for
> the purpose of removing it later as an "improvement".
My point precisely. Lots of NOP loops if it were assembler. Easy done.
> IBM used to do this shit with their hardware on a routine basis.
>
> They would install circuits to pull the DMA line periodically
> (like, say, every couple thousandths of a second). When you
> wanted your IBM upgraded to a faster model, the technician
> would come and REMOVE the bus-bandwidth-hog circuit card.
I knew IBM mainframes frequently came with all the hardware built in, and
an "upgrade" consisted of the technician installing jumpers where required.
I didn't realise they went as far as to cripple the machinery to sell an
upgrade.
Given that it would appear dishonest to many people, I wonder how many
techs received brown envelopes in return for a quick unsolder?
It's a bit like progressive unlocking codes for a software package, except
that IBM's customers, if they knew, would feel they'd already bought the
hardware.
Peter
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun Blade 100
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:54:19 +1300
The reason why they are moving into the lower end market is that they have
been criticised for focusing only on the customers they already have, also,
there have been a couple of analysists who have criticised SUN for not being
in the lower end market as it offers greater potential for growth than the
slow-growing high-end market SUN used to focus on. It was about time SUN
did finally release a resonable priced UNIX box to encourage people to
develop for the Solaris "Operating Environment", as they drive forward with
their ONE net concept, they will want software developed, not only by them
(aka StarOffice), but also, by third party developers, to give Microsoft a
bit of competition.
Matthew Gardiner
"Shane Phelps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim Cain wrote:
> > >
> > > > Looks pretty interesting. I'm tickled pink at the thought of having
> > > > a Sun box sitting in my home-study, but OTOH, what the hell would
> > > > I do with all those MIPS/FLOPS or whatever?
> > >
> > > Just get a lower-end Sun, then, like for example, a Sparc-5 120 MHz
(or
> > > is that 150 MHz?).
> > >
> >
> > Hard to say, Donn, on the Sparc-5... last time I checked on the price
the
> > 5's were running around $2000.
>
> SPARC 5s have a good resale value. They were a good solid bit of gear.
> I think most of them were 87MHz, BTW
>
> > The Blade 100 is only $995 and runs at 500Mhz and is 64 bit instead of
the
> > 5's 32 bit processor. But, I bet
> > that the 5's will drop down in price by quite a bit. Things like that
> > happen.
> >
> The Netra X1 is the rackmount server equivalent. That's $995 as well.
> Sun really seems to be pushing hard at the low end just now.
>
> > That vax 4000... I'm getting it from a university and I was told it was
> > running straight for 6 years without being
> > shutdown or having any glitches. But I don't have the fine details to
prove
> > this. Its their claim. On the Suns an
> > individual claimed to have been running one since 1999 without any
shutdowns
> > or reboots. Then he did an update and some memory upgrades which ended
that
> > streak.
>
> Might've been me. A client of mine runs a good few SPARC 5s spread
> around a
> wide area. They've had a few go down due to power outages (too tight to
> provide UPS protection) and a couple of disk failures. The rest were
> commissioned in 1996, rebooted for the first time in 1999 in a rolling
> swapout to upgrade from Solaris 2.5.1 to Solaris 2.6 (Y2K scare), then
> rebooted again late last year to boost various shared memory parameters.
> That's one of the few cases where Solaris needs to be rebooted for
software
> reasons; almost everything else is in modules. A couple of those boxes
> turned out to have been running for months with one of the pair of
mirrored
> disks failed.
>
> On average, probably < 30 minutes downtime/box/year
> Of course, SPARC 5s weren't especially cheap machines in 1996.
> If the Netra X1 or Sun Blade 100 comes anywhere near the reliability
> of the old SPARC5 they'll be awesome beasties.
>
> [ snip ]
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The GPL if you are curious.
Date: 10 Mar 2001 11:01:29 GMT
Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> GPL is only a few pages long. I suggest that anyone who says something like,
> "GPL states that..." also publish the paragraph where it says "that". That
> would end half the speculation.
That would spoil the whole FUD around GPL, so it is not in the interests
of MS-controlled media.
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
As of next Thursday, UNIX will be flushed in favor of TOPS-10.
Please update your programs.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NICE TO SEE A POSITIVE SPIN OFF FOR POOR COUNTRIES
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:15:41 +1300
hmm, no replies, must mean that Wintel advocates can't stomache the fact
that Linux benefts people in poorer nations, even, with Bill Gates suck up
foundation, billy hasn't addressed the issues. Thank god there is Linux!
Matthew Gardiner
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:97rl81$gag$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-5008013.html?tag=mn_hd
>
> Its nice to see poor countries getting into the internet thanks to the
help
> of Linux and economies of scale in the computer componentry sector.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
>
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:27:18 +1300
Sorry to rain on your parade, the New Zealand prices and conditions are
totally different to what is offered in the US, check out www.dell.co.nz,
and look under the desktop/workstations section.
Matthew Gardiner
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:4H%o6.978$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Actually, Dell sells servers without OS's. For instance, look here:
> http://rcommerce.us.dell.com/rcomm/config.asp?order_code=PE1550a
>
> Go to the OS dropdown and choose "No factory installed OS" they even
> subtract $799.
>
> Desktops and Laptops are a different story though.
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Trying getting a blank computer from dell, not possible, I even said
> > they didn't have to give me a refund, but they insisted that I received
> > a computer with Windows 98SE! wtf is up with that?
> >
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> > Pete Goodwin wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > >
> > > > The average Office-Depot shopping jerk cannot. And such comprise
the
> > > > bulk of the consumer market.
> > >
> > > But that still doesn't stop them doing buying blank machines!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Pete
> > > All your no fly zone are belong to us
>
>
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Bill Gates MAD?!?!?
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:35:23 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:43:48 +0000, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In England I seen the use of "traffic circles" At first it seem not a
>
> roundabouts?
>
> > straigt forward method of moving traffic, and turning off. Watching the
> > traffic flow shows that it appeared to be quicker and safer to turn off
> > left or right, or just go around and work yourself into the correct lane
> > to take the road you want.
>
> Depends on the roundabout. The A3/M25 interchange is foolproof. The A3
> roundabout at Tolworth is impossable to use proberly if you tried :-)
>
> And you haven't seen some of Essex's best: a huge 2 way roundabout with
> smaller roundabouts at each exit. The signposts confusingly, but
> correctly pointed to London in both directions.
Roundabouts work fine if everyone sticks to the rule that traffic on the
roundabout has priority, unlike the French who have (had?) the rule that
traffic on the roundabout gave way to traffic trying to get on to it.
Instant gridlock. A product of "priorite a droite", the stupid illogical
rule that allows a tractor to pull out into a high speed road without even
looking.
Peter
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft's .NET Vision
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:35:24 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:58:09 GMT, "Bryant Charleston, MCSE"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was reading over that link on Product Activation, and I can see how this
> will involve extra steps (making phone calls to MS, and whatnot) that a lot
> of "knowledgeable" folks would have to deal with upon re-configuring their
> machines. Personally, I can say that having to call MS everytime I re-do my
> machine would get to be a serious pain....
>
> I hadn't been paying much attention to their ".NET"/Activation plans, but
> thanks to the enlightenment of this link and thread, I'll start keeping an
> eye on it now. I can see that it's implementation will probably irritate
> more than a few people!
It might irritate most people in the short term, but like a lot of other
things, after a while Joe Public will accept it as the norm and go along
unquestioningly with it.
A few years down the line "free" software will be just a memory in the
minds of the oldies who will regail stories over the table at coffee break.
I think this is their game-plan. Suffer the anger of the small percentage
who understand what's going on for the longer term advantages of
reinforcing the monopoly.
Peter
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Customising Wrap-Up Screen. (WAS: "It is now safe to shut off your
computer")
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:36:21 +1300
Its amazing, even with all the hype about NT, Universities are still
teaching UNIX, even after 35 years! 10 years in which NT has been around.
It tells Microsoft and other UNIX disputors, that UNIX is here and it is
here to stay, and Linux, which I believe could be classed as a UNIX Varient,
is one of the many UNIX"s that will be giving Microsoft a thrashing in the
future, what we see now is only the tip of the ice burg, wait until there is
a real Linux/UNIX vs. Microsoft war, then you will see some bloody flow.
There will be people who will be paranoid of the "OpenSource" words, and
instead, opt for a SUN solution (such as the SUN Netra @ $NZ2300 + GST),
which will be no serious loss to the Lintel field. The Wintel empire is
like the Eastern Bloke, it will enventually crumble unders its own mass of
problems.
Matthew Gardiner
"Bloody Viking" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:98cbo4$75t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> I just got done customising the Windows 95 wrap-up screen, the "it's now
safe
> to turn off your computer" screen. It now says:
>
> It's now safe to type "mode co80 and light off UNIX, the OS Bill Gates
hates!
> GNU's Not UNIX!!!
>
> Thanks! That was after a few hours of quality coding time working on a pet
> snail billpay proggie in C on Linux. For what it's worth, Linux IS UNIX in
my
> book, it's a GNU freeware UNIX.
>
> Ah, the pleasure of having the OS of Big Iron on a PC. UNIX is the OS of
Big
> Iron computing, and while we may enjoy it on our boxes, it will always be
THE
> OS of Big Iron. How could anyone pass up the chance to play with an OS
like
> Linux, a PC freeware UNIX? Maybe some of us are hackers (in the good sense
of
> the word) after all. (:
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: "al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:37:29 -0500
http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=20143
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