Linux-Advocacy Digest #202, Volume #33 Fri, 30 Mar 01 21:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (Dave Martel)
Multitasking (Barry Manilow)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Barry Manilow)
Re: Now I know (Fred K Ollinger)
Formatting a floppy (Barry Manilow)
Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro (Warren Bell)
Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language? (J Perry Fecteau)
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) (Fred K Ollinger)
Re: Microsoft has gone insane ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Fun With Parallel Ports. ("green")
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) (The Ghost In The
Machine)
Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language? (Wodger)
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:57:59 -0700
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:13:44 GMT, T. Max Devlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Dave Martel in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:47:57
>>On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:13:50 GMT, T. Max Devlin
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>Who's "they"? I believe copyright law (and, more importantly, popular
>>>misconceptions about copyright law) needs to be modified to become
>>>reasonable. It may have been rational before, when it could be assumed
>>>that distribution required production. But since the costs of these
>>>things have dropped, and the prices haven't, there is every reason to
>>>believe that rather than exercising any "right to profit", corporate
>>>media owners are under the impression they have a right to profiteer.
>>
>>The first change *I* would like to see is a provision that a copyright
>>is null and void if the holder attempts in any way - be it restrictive
>>licensing terms, copy protection, or burdensome registration schemes -
>>to interfere with the "fair use" provisions.
>
>When being an amateur pirate is sufficiently damaging to the value of a
>product that it needs to be considered, let alone prevented, then
>there's quite frankly some profiteering going on. And it isn't by the
>amateur pirates. If stamping out the professional pirates (still legal,
>necessary, and quite possible, the old fashioned way) or better yet,
>simply extracting royalties, is not sufficient, there's some
>profiteering going on. If an "author" is so plagued with piracy that
>they can't all be stamped out, and they overwhelm whoever's wearing the
>boots, one has to wonder if maybe there wasn't some profiteering going
>on.
Here's a somewhat-relevant article I just stumbled across:
<http://www.latimes.com/business/20010329/t000026998.html>
Recording Stars Challenge Music Labels' Business Practices
By CHUCK PHILIPS, Times Staff Writer
...The 65-year-old Moore, whose recordings have generated tens of
millions of dollars in the last four decades, has been locked in a
lengthy legal battle with AFTRA's pension arm trying to recover unpaid
pension funds. The entertainer, who filed his AFTRA suit along with
the heirs of Curtis Mayfield and half a dozen other soul stars, said
he still must tour regularly to make ends meet.
...Moore is luckier than most. Soul singer Jackie Wilson was buried
without a headstone. Motown stars Mary Wells and Florence Ballard died
welfare recipients. Rock and Roll Hall of Famers Jimmy Reed and
Howlin' Wolf lived in destitute conditions, abandoned by the same
industry that now sings their praises. "The ones making the music
aren't the ones making the money," said 63-year-old country legend
Merle Haggard in an interview from his touring bus. "Let me tell you
how it works: The artist pays for everything and ends up with nothing.
The big boys with the cigars, they get it all."
...Haggard said several labels have swindled him since he signed his
original deal in 1962--a contract under which he collected just a
nickel per album after the company extracted advances for studio,
promotion and touring costs. "Not only do they cheat you on the way
in," Haggard said, "they rob you on the way out.
...Acclaimed songwriter Tom Waits said his first contract paid him
only about 15 cents per copy sold in the United States. "I've spent
more time in court than I have in the studio and more money on lawyers
than I have on engineers. So what does that tell you?" Waits asked.
Don't miss that artists' quotes at the end of the article:
COURTNEY LOVE: "My daughter once visited the home of a major label
president with some of her little friends, and upon returning she
asked me, 'Mommy, why does Mr. So-and-So live in such a giant, fancy
house and we live here?' I told her, 'Baby, it's like this: Your daddy
and I and a bunch of other artists made Mr. So-and-So a big, beautiful
cake, and every now and then he throws us a crumb.' "
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From: Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Multitasking
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:08:29 -0800
> Said Paul 'Z' Ewande� in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 30 Mar 2001
> >> >What I do next is point out that you *still* haven't put forward the
> >evidence that NT multitasking is crap. you lose.
>
> That doesn't make NT's multitasking any more acceptable, though, does
> it?
>
It is not that good either. I know people who have used most OS's out
there.
The best multitaskers:
1. Amiga
2. OS/2 Warp
3. QNX (close third)
4. BeOS (very good)
5. Various Unixen, including Linux
6. NT/Win2K
7. Win XX
8. Mac OS
This lineup is pretty indisputable. The only controversy seems to be
over the order of 2, 3, and 4. I know a lot of folks who have tried
them all and the results are pretty similar.
--
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From: Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:14:15 -0800
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> "Barry Manilow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "T. Mx Devlin" wrote:
> >
> > NT is
> > > certainly faster, and better able to handle I/O and multi-tasking.
> >
> > I believe it has been shown over and over that NT is about 20% slower
> > than Win 98, which was 20% slower to Win95. WinME has been shown to
> > be 10% slower than Win98. Win2K is the slowest of all. A friend has
> > it on a 700 MHZ and it is so slow it is depressing. I just got thru
> > using NT on a 600 MHZ with 128 MB and it was quite slow. Like a
> > lumbering beast.
>
> This is the same kind of fuzzy thinking/talk that the Windows crowd is
> always trying to pawn off on linux advocates. slower how? Is this just
> your subjective experience? We're supposed to take this as valid evidence
> because something is slow on your "friend's 700 MHZ" machine. Come on, just
> the facts maam.
All of the percentage figures were from PC Mag-type articles.
The notion that Win2K is slow is widely held by most anyone who has
bothered to use it. I have seen the 700 MHZ box in question and
watched as the dialog boxes slooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwly opened up.
Why do I need a benchmark? You think Win2K is good at multitasking?
A friend has it on a 500 MHZ with 128 MB (or mebbe more). Open up
anything bigger than Wordpad and the hard drive starts grinding away
at the swap file. You call that a good OS? That is not very
impressive at all. I have watched this behavior too. I don't need
benchmarks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fred K Ollinger)
Subject: Re: Now I know
Date: 31 Mar 2001 01:21:49 GMT
David Jordan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: At last I've understood why GNU/Linux was so stable,
: it was just 'cause it could do nothing apart from simple
: fork() and listening to a TCP port.
You still haven't understood the philosophy so I'm not sad to see you go.
Doing little in the base OS, is a good thing.
: Now that it is starting to be taken as an alternative for
: the desktop I see its ... let's call UI's are going to do all
: the painful way Windows has already done through
: unstability, incompabilities and the so.
Which ones are unstable? Blackbox is superfast and very stable. I don't
even think it has reached 1.0 yet so this means that the developers are
making no promises of stability, at all. Why is this more stable than
windows 98, MS had 98 chances to increase stability, they should've been
stable 97 versions ago.
: I've recently switched from GNU/Linux for my
: desktop (I am a GNU/Linux, Unix system administrator)
: by a Windows 2000 Pro. Advantages = more stability
I don't believe it.
: (believe it or not), better web surfing, boss documents
: 100% compatibility and by far better e-mail clients;
: disadvantages = price (just it). GNU/Linux has
: failed to develop a browser (Konqueror, Galeon,
There is a glut of browsers.
: Mozilla, Netscape or Opera are simply jokes,
: anyway the best one is Opera ... not GPL).
Best for what? Looking at pages optimized for IE? I need netscape at
work b/c our purchasing is optimized for that. Does this make IE a joke?
: But what's more, I am also switching from GNU/Linux
: to Solaris my servers since Solaris is behaving by far better
: than GNU/Linux is doing. Even for firewalling, I prefer
: Checkpoint Firewall-1 to iptables (not to talk about
: incomplete ipchains+ipmasqadm team).
Why didn't you fix the bugs in GNU/Linux? You have source. Did you do bug
reports? How long have you been using this w/o understanding the basics of
the philo--it's a work in progress, it gets better all the time, and we all
make it better together?
: There was a time when I thought that a GPL GNU/Linux
: would take the world. Now I think it is slowly dying not
: only as desktop (if alive at all) but as a server.
It's not dying at all. This is a lie. Win 9x is dead, though, IIRC.
: If any response, please ... leave my mother apart ;-)
I'll leave her together actually, though I would have had it better if you
had left her out all together. This isn't about you and me, it's about
stupid machines.
Fred
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From: Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Formatting a floppy
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:24:56 -0800
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
Format a floppy. Start a few downloads. Open up Office. Play an
MP3. Encode another MP3. Open up 3 separate videos and start playing
all of them. Start a couple of chess games. Render some graphics in
the background. Open Excel and calc a spreadsheet. Open up Word and
start typing in your word processor. Open up a full-screen session of
Doom and minimize it. Scan an 120 MB image on high-resolution. Start
up your emailer and download your email. Burn a CD.
Start doing all of these things on Windows anything, adding one at a
time. Any bets on when it starts sputtering, slowing down to the
point of uselessness, or totally locking up and crashing? U think
that scan is gonna look good? U think that MP3 will be smooth. U
think u can type full-speed in the WP. What do you think those videos
will look and sound like? U think u won't burn a coaster in your CD
drive? U think u will be able to play any of those games at all? You
are wrong.
Or try this. Open up more than 260 programs all at once and run them
and work on them at the same time on an ordinary PC system. U think
Win-anything can do this?
Yet there are OS's that do this all the time, and easily. And u can
buy and run them right now.
Everyone knows NT's multitasking is not that good; why argue about
it?
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From: Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:33:16 -0800
John Verne wrote:
>
> ...like a fish needs a bicycle...
It's a wonder you guys get anywhere. Someone posts a question about
advocating Linux, in an advocacy group, and they get moronic answer.
Maybe this isn't the best group for someone who wants to start flame
wars for kicks and giggles.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Perry Fecteau)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language?
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:36:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i actually said the linux thing about dell a while back... they could
do it with their own intel servers! they're the only pc company their
size that won't suffer from cannibalization by adopting linux.. but
michael dell refuses to remove his lips from bill gates' cock two
seconds to at least think about it!
as far as sun dying... DREAM ON!!
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:54:54 -0500, "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>As we see the dot-com meltdown, how do we access all the money wasted on
>overpriced software projects that promise the world but deliver very little?
>
>Sun is, no doubt, taking a big hit to its bottom line.
>
>Perhaps Dell, which has be same profit level as Sun BEFORE the downturn,
>will buy Sun for it's midline server hardware business, which it would
>promptly convert to Linux, an OS that delivers on its promises.
>
>Dell could become a dominent Linux server vendor.
>
>Dell would sell off the Sunsoft division that include Java, etc. Then that
>division could concentrate on becoming a software company in competition
>with Microsoft.
>
>That would be good for the industry. Java wouldn't be captive to the mission
>of selling overpriced Sun servers.
>
>McNealy could be farmed out to a separate spin off of the chip business. Of
>course, Scott could still be heard railing against the elements like Captain
>Ahab, except the White Whale would be Intel.
>
>We wouldn't want an industry without the Scott to badmouth the competition.
>
>2 + 2
>
>
>
>
J Perry Fecteau
Former 6-time Mr. Internet
http://perry.fecteau.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fred K Ollinger)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism)
Date: 31 Mar 2001 01:44:40 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: "." wrote:
: >
: > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > > "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
: > >>
: > >> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 24 Mar 2001
: > >> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
: > >> [...]
: > >> >> I have no political beliefs, Aaron, much as you may disagree with my
: > >> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: > >> >
: > >> >I think it's funny how left-wingers like to proclaim that you have
: > >> >have no political beliefs.
: > >>
: > >> I think its funny how, in comparison to you, just about anyone, even a
: > >> moderate like me, is a "left winger".
: >
: > > Advocation of Marxist principles is "moderate"?
Actually in Spain, yes it is. That was how it was taught to me by someone
from Spain when she came to visit.
: > You dont even really know what marxist principles ARE, do you chad.
Does it matter what someone's priciples are? If so, why? If marxism is so
weak then it will _fail_. If it fails then you don't have to worry. if
it is strong, ie a good idea by social darwinists standards then it will
succeed just like it should due to natural selection. :)
: MANDATORY Government-run pension plan for the private sector.
This would be nice.
: Stealing from the productive to give to the unproductive.
Like what? Factories where the 'owner' gets most of the money while the
productive who makes all the stuff that us bums uses gets peanuts and then
they are told that this is better than nothing.
: Destroying true property ownership with a taxation scheme which makes
: a property title nothing more than a "license to rent from
: the government".
What does this mean? I live in Philadelphia and there are 40,000
privately owned abandoned buildings. How would a scheme that turns property
over faster to those who produce be bad, such as how it's done in Stockholm
where there is no ghetto?
: > The fact is that you really dont know alot about alot of things, do you.
I know very little, this is true.
: Actually, I do. I've read some of Marx's books (from cover to cover),
: to find out EXACTLY what the idiotic system is based upon.
Idiotic in what way?
Fred
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft has gone insane
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:59:41 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Everett"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey! Just another indication that Microsoft wants to charge you for
> every bit that goes in or out of your computer, PDA, cell phone,
> satellite dish, toaster, and on and on.
I recall an article where Bill Gates said his ultimate goal was to
collect a "vig" (short for vigorish, the amount a bookie collects on
every bet) on every transaction made with a computer.
Al Capone wasn't as ambitious.
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Fun With Parallel Ports.
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:02:54 +1000
> : Why did you cross post this to comp.os.linux.advocacy and
alt.destroy.microsoft?
>
> It illustrates a capability of Linux not found on Windows, namely, the
ability
> to run a light show in the background as you use the desktop without
having to
> code a TSR. Funny how you can run a light show (or other process control)
in
There are many kits that explain how to code to printer port and read from
it in basic, ie qbasic not vb.
lost that ability in win 95.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 02:01:46 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:24:34 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>"." wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > "." wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > "." wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> > WesTralia wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Ian Pulsford wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > PS. My money is actually on Kulkis being a sad little git with too much
>> >> >> >> > time on his hands. Read the posts on groups.google.com (especially
>> >> >> >> > us.military.army) and decide for yourself. The word liar crops up way
>> >> >> >> > too much.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Aaron is not hard to figure out. It's quite simple really. Aaron
>> >> >> >> is a Wintendo98 network dork who has been repeatedly bashed by the
>> >> >> >> UNIX guys for years. Finally, Aaron has set out to do something about
>> >> >> >> this treatment and he has installed Linux on his home system. Aaron's
>> >> >> >> target objective is the source of his envy: to be just like the UNIX
>> >> >> >> guys who have bashed him for being a Wintendo98 network dork.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The only problem is that Aaron jumped the gun early and is still a
>> >> >> >> Wintendo98 network dork.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Aaron, there is no shame in using Windows, no shame at all.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > You wanna discuss Unix kernal internals sometime?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sure, im having an I/O problem at +120mbps on freebsd 4.2 release.
>> >> >> Any ideas?
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On what sort of device are you doing 120 mbps I/O?
>> >>
>> >> An enormous news server running a full feed and multiple dozens cleanfeed
>> >> options.
>>
>> > I didn't ask you what the CONTENT of the data is, I asked
>> > you what kind of DEVICE you're trying to pipe it through.
>>
>> Oh. Multiple dual PIII 9 somethings. Why, you think G6es might be better?
>>
>
>Did I ask you for the CPU??? NO, you dipshit
>
>I will ask you a third time.
>
>What I/O DEVICE are you using to conduct 120 mbps I/O?
Just as a point of clarification: did you want the physical
layer (e.g., disk drive, NIC, light pipe), or OS-specific
logical layer (e.g., pipe, socket, shared/virtual memory)?
I will also note that a disk drive running at 20 MB/s -- SCSI is quite
capable of this -- will run at 160 mbps, assuming lower-case 'b'
means 'bit', ignoring such issues as sector framing. So theoretically
it appears to be possible.
I'm not sure how fast UNIX pipes can go -- most likely that's
dependent on CPU and memory speed. In a sense, they're true phantoms.
[rest snipped]
--
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EAC code #191 53d:23h:57m actually running Linux.
Microsoft. When it absolutely, positively has to act weird.
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From: Wodger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language?
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:10:23 +1000
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>
> 2 + 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> 8<SNIP>8
>
> : Perhaps Dell, which has be same profit level as Sun BEFORE the downturn,
> : will buy Sun for it's midline server hardware business, which it would
> : promptly convert to Linux, an OS that delivers on its promises.
Really? Which promises does Linux deliver on that Solaris on Sun
hardware doesn't?
>
> Linux is not an OS. Linux is a kernel. GNU/Linux is an OS
> comprised of GNU software and the Linux kernel.
>
> Just a pedantic detail that peeves me from time to time. :-)
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