Linux-Advocacy Digest #302, Volume #33 Tue, 3 Apr 01 01:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows "speed" (".")
Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language? ("gbp")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Les Mikesell")
Re: More Microsoft security concerns: Wall Street Journal (Chad Everett)
Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language? ("gbp")
Re: Things Linux can't do! ("Chad Myers")
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (Rich Teer)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Michael
Ejercito)
Re: Things Linux can't do! (Chad Everett)
Re: Baseball (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Ultimate TV or Peeping Tom? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Interesting Article ("Mike")
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From: "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows "speed"
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:22:18 +1200
> > If that's not a reason to switch to another platform (and pronto), I
don't
> > know what is.
>
> Now, why did you have to wait for me to tell you about it?
> You *see* what I'm complaining about.
Because I'm not interested enough in obtaining 'fixes' and 'upgrades' from
MS to stay on top of all this shit? I'm not a sysadmin anymore, I'm not
going to spend my time reading security alerts and the like all the time.
What I will do is read a posted article and offer my opinion to the
newsgroup.
So no, I don't see what you're complaining about. If you're complaining
that
we only bitch when you post something, stop posting links and see if the
bitching
dies away. I believe you'll find it wont stop, because the products are
still
primarily shite, and the company is still evil. The bitching is just a
symptom.
Posting more links to show that Windows xx is shite for whatever latest
reason
I'll continue to leave up to other people, and have a giggle to myself when
I
read them.
But perhaps I've missed the point... what is it you're complaining about?
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From: "gbp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language?
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:21:42 GMT
Shane Phelps wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>A little out-of-date , aren't we?
>
>Sun stopped charging Solaris licence fees on the smaller systems
>(< 8 CPUs) last year, so that one's old hat.
>The Netra X1 is a nice 1U system which costs about the same as a
>mid-range
Wow thats actually pretty cool :) Didn't know that. Don't you
think they did that is response to Linux?
>Linux *is* very good; so is Solaris. Linux isn't cheaper any more.
>Solaris also has the advantage of better scalability on bigger
boxes,
>though the 2.4 kernel may have caught up.
The 2.4 kernal has several features that are of interest to mid and
high end users. Does that license free version of Solaris include
all the features that the pay versions have?
You may very well be right but I think that you would agree that
people should at least look into linux. For example, isn't it
possible that you could at least buy the linux hardware cheaper?
>BTW, I consider 3 CPUs per retail outlet to be vast overkill!
That was an example of an actual chain-- Radio Shack. I used to
work there when I was in college. I think you'll find that must
cash registers used in large stores are actually PCs of some kind.
Some may be thin client.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:24:44 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >Err, no. Software doesn't 'run' or perform anything. It is a set of
> >instructions that a CPU follows just like a cook may follow a cookbook.
>
> Well, see, the problem is you have a CPU, an inanimate object, *doing*
> things, but then you say that software cannot. CPU's don't "follow"
> instructions "just like a cook may follow a cookbook". That's a
> ridiculous idea, and I know you know way more about software than to
> think it holds up. Care to try again?
No, that was pretty close.
> >> If I'm not mistaken, one can copyright a juggling performance, but one
> >> cannot copyright a juggler.
> >
> >The point is that if you have legally obtained a library, you have the
> >right for it to do anything you throw at it.
>
> Yes, but do you have the right to give others that right?
Ahh, back to the real issue. Why should it be up to me to give
anyone that right when the library isn't mine? Why shouldn't that be
left up to the owner of the library and the end user to determine?
> >> Is the juggler's performance "derived" from
> >> the other juggler's performance? It seems so to me, and to the courts,
> >> as both jugglers will share all rights to whatever act they develop.
> >
> >What does that mean? Are you going to claim that tossing a ball back
> >and forth with one person forever contaminates your right to do the
> >same with a different partner?
>
> A juggler, as an artist, has a valid copyright claim on his artistic
> work, which would include any unique routines he has developed. Other's
> cannot perform "his act" without his permission.
Pay attention here. No one else is performing his act. Someone is letting
him perform his own act.
> How dubious the claim
> that a particular juggling performance merits such protection as showing
> originality necessary to merit consideration as intellectual property is
> entirely beside the point. You started the gedanken experiment, I'm
> just trying to deal with it.
Well, then try to understand it first. The juggler is another library. You
have the right to have/use that library whether purchased or free. You
don't duplicate what that library does, you hand over control to it and
let it do the function itself. If you have a dozen different libraries,
each
obtained under their own terms you can use them all together. And as far
as can tell, only the GPL is so restrictive as to claim ownership and
control
of the code linking to it.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: More Microsoft security concerns: Wall Street Journal
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:29:18 GMT
On 2 Apr 2001 18:43:06 -0500, Jon Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>> > Really now. I would also ask how in the hell
>> > you've determined that Microsoft has merely
>> > implemented some 4.4BSD code in order to
>> > get Windows2000. Do you have access to the
>> > WindowsNT v4.0 and v5.0 source trees?
>>
>> the "strings" command finds embedded strings in ANY file, including
>> compiled executables and dll files.
>>
>> "Copyright (C), Regents of the University of California" strings have
>> been found in Mafia$oft's DLL files.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>
>I don't believe you. How about showing us one?
>
Hey Everybody! It's Jon! Hi Jon!
You asked, so here ya go:
Here are some files from a Windows 2000 Professional system along with
the copyright strings that are contained in them:
C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\finger.exe
@(#) Copyright (c) 1980 The Regents of the University of California.
C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\nslookup.exe
@(#) Copyright (c) 1985,1989 Regents of the University of California.
C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\rcp.exe
@(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of California.
C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\rsh.exe
@(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of California.
C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\FTP.EXE
@(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of California.
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From: "gbp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language?
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:27:01 GMT
>IBM head honcho when discussing IBM's big investment in Linux
recently
>stated that even the 2.4.x kernel has trouble scaling well to
greater
>than 4 CPUs. I'm a linux advocate and was disappointed to hear
this.
>The great thing about Linux though, is that this is likely to
change
>a lot faster than any closed source based OS could hope to do.
>
It may or may not be true I don't know. IBM makes big money on
multi CPU servers so I wouldn't take that at face value.
To be fair I used an IBM mid-range (2-4 CPU F40) and it was great.
It had some features that Linux doesn't have and the thing didn't
crash once that I remember. Their administration tool, smit, was
ten times better than anything available for Linux. We also had a
great emergency replacement policy from them. Of course it cost
about $10,000.... :)
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:17:30 GMT
"Toby A Inkster Esq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In our last episode, Andy Walker wrote:
>
> :Linux can't crash at random every five minutes.
>
> It can is you write your own "crash daemon" and run it under root.
Isn't that what X is? Only, you don't have to run it as root!
-c
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris
From: Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000?
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:37:09 GMT
On 2 Apr 2001, Logan Shaw wrote:
> Personally, when I receive a Word attachment, I first wonder why the
> sender wants to make software purchasing decisions for me. Then, if
> it's really important, I might try to convert it. Otherwise, I just
> delete it.
I have a similar philosophy, except for the last part: if someone sends
me a Word document, I *KNOW* it isn't important, so I delete it. If it
was important, the sender would've used a format that anyone can read.
Ditto, to a degree, with HTML email.
--
Rich Teer
President,
Rite Online Inc.
Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-online.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Ejercito)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:40:59 GMT
On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:00:00 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(silverback) wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:44:35 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Scott Erb wrote:
>>>
>>> I couldn't believe the sudden torrent of fascist like threats and
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Spot the character assassination.
>>
>>
>>First of all, Fascism is a form of socialism. By now, it should be
>
>wrong clyde. Fascism is the polar opposite of socialism. Fascism has
>always been a top down revolution to protect the interest of the rich
>corporate owners. The fact that the fascist supporters are from the
>top tier of society is enough to dispense with yer silly nonsense.
>
Fascism has more to do with abolishment of individual rights.
Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2 Apr 2001 23:38:40 -0500
On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:17:30 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Toby A Inkster Esq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In our last episode, Andy Walker wrote:
>>
>> :Linux can't crash at random every five minutes.
>>
>> It can is you write your own "crash daemon" and run it under root.
>
>Isn't that what X is? Only, you don't have to run it as root!
>
Hey, it's Chad Myers again. The guy who claims linux advocates who
bash Windows have never used Win NT/2K. OK Myers, when was the
last time you actually used X on a Linux system? I've never
had X crash my Linux system. I have experiences BSODs on my Win NT
and 2K boxes though.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:50:01 +1200
Cricket is not gay, NOW Gridiron, that is really gay, wtf is it with pads and shit? and
a 15'er after each tackle for christs. I've seen more action from a Microsoft
programmer than what happens on the field in a game of Gridiron.
Matthew Gardiner
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > Anyway, back on topic, personally, I prefer Cricket, a gentlemen's sport you may
> > say. Baseball, well looks so uncivilised with people chewing tobacco, whilst
> > scratching their nuts saying to themselves in a long drawl south accent
> > hooooooooooooooowdeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
>
> That has nothing to do with the rules, only the fact that the climate of
> the South (perpetual summer) leads to the majority of those who make it
> to the pros being from the South.
>
> Cricket is gay.
>
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > > Giuliano Colla wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Chad Everett wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:36:55 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >GreyCloud wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Anonymous wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > mike wrote:
> > > > > >> > > Tomorrow I go see the Mariners play the Cardinals. Folks are
> > > > > >> > > expecting Mark McGwire to hit the ball completely out of the new
> > > > > >> > > stadium and be the first player to do so. My neighbor came over this
> > > > > >> > > morning with four tickets for the game, front row directly behind home
> > > > > >> > > plate. His employer -- a microsoft billionaire -- gave him the
> > > > > >> > > tickets. This means that Windows is superior to Linux.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Where are the
> > > > > >> > > Linux billionaires?
> > > > >
> > > > > And there, in a nut shell, is the Microsoft argument for superiority. Thank
> > > > > you very much for proving, without a doubt, that Windows advocates are
> > > > > are, shall we say, *confused*.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > As a foreigner, one of the things I appreciate the most of the English
> > > > language, is the elegance of the understatements.
> > > >
> > >
> > > How does that work in Italian (I don't know Italian, but I had 3 1/2 years
> > > of Spanish, so I can relate).
> > >
> > > > --
> > > > Giuliano Colla
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ultimate TV or Peeping Tom?
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:01:33 +1200
Atleast it an't Bill Gate's Misses. *shudder* *shudder*
Matthew Gardiner
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Mart van de Wege wrote:
> >
> > In article
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > An Ad in TV Guide:
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------- Ultimate TV
> > > from Microsoft
> > >
> > > Watch Carmen Electra take a shower
> > >
> > > No, you're not dreaming.
> > >
> > > Now UltimateTV service from Microsoft lets you do what you gotta do and
> > > still watch what you wanna watch. So go ahead and pause live TV. Perfect
> > > for a long, cold shower. Or instant replay it and savor Ms. Electra's
> > > big, beautiful eyes over and over. Want to catch a game on one channel
> > > while you watch Carmen on another? Only UltimateTV lets you watch and
> > > record two channels at once with the touch of a button. And with web
> > > access right on your TV, you can confess your love on Carmen's fan club
> > > website, while you drool over her on TV.
> > >
> > > and of course the phone no. .....<snip>
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------ Good grief!
> >
> > Reminds me of the fact that cable operator UPC had to delay it's rollout
> > of settop boxes TWICE down here in Europe. Guess who's writing the
> > software for these boxes?
> >
> > --
> > Write in C, write in C,
> > Write in C, yeah, write in C.
> > Only wimps use BASIC, Write in C.
> > http://www.orca.bc.ca/spamalbum/
>
> C Code
> C Code run.
> Run Code, Run!
> PLEASE!
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Interesting Article
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 05:08:58 GMT
"Carl Banks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Rocsow Flimbost is a software engineer who now works for Microsoft.
Strange, isn't it, that a software engineer working for Microsoft should use
a moniker that is an anagram for Microsoft Blows, don't you think?
-- Mike ( rec.sport.college.football? There must be another anagram in there
somewhere...) --
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