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Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: What Linux console? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (GreyCloud)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:12:53 GMT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:05:02 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Kurt Lochner wrote:
>>
>> The Disengenuous Fraud, Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sniveled at:
>> >
>> > silverback wrote:
>> > >
>> > >Fraud, Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> whined again when:
>> > > >
>> > > > silverback wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>Sam A. Kersh wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > ><snip>
>> > > >
>> > > >> >I've come to the conclusion based on silverback's posts over the
>> > > >> >last year that he is a closet communist. He touts "welfare" aka
>> > > >> >redistribution of wealth through "progressive taxation."
>> > > >>
>> > > >> sorry progressive taxation is not redistribution
>> > > >
>> > > >Poor Glen doesn't know whether he's a Fascist (e.g., the state take-over
>> > > >of the California electricity industry) or a Communist (everything else)!
>> > >
>> > > too bad [Disengenuous Fraud] I'm neither I'm a liberal.
>> >
>> >And just what are you 'liberating', [..]
>>
>> The Usenet, of fools such as yourself, Disengenuous Fraud..
>>
>> > > >But, that's the problem with labels; a Bloody Collectivist like Glen will
>> > > >twist and contort himself a million different ways in order to disguise
>> > > >the liberty-destroying nature of his politics.
>> > >
>> > > allowing corporations to price gouge consumers has nothing to do with
>> > > being a collectivist [Disengenuous Fraud].
>> >
>> >The key is competition, Glen. That's what laissez-faire capitalism is
>> >all about, you see; without government regulations preventing some new
>> >company from competing, entrepreneurs have an incentive to innovate [..]
>>
>> And when the corporations practically own our means of 'self-governance'?
>
>You mean such corporations as the ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC ministries of
>communist propaganda...
yes they are all biased far to the right and in favor of the
corporations.
>
>
>
>>
>> The fact is, Fraud, that the utilities lobby actively to make the
>> 'regulations' to their own liking, hardly the "laissez-faire capitalism"
>> that you pretend it is.. Does the term "robber-baron" mean anything
>> to you at all, or did your 'home-school' forget to mention that period
>> in the history of the United States?
>
>Many people have called the modern Russian economy "Robber Baron Capitalism"
>while failing to note that all of the Robber Barons are Communist Party bigwigs.
too bad this country is full of little magots otherwise called robber
barons.
>
>
>
>>
>> > > In fact the real collectivist are the fucking corporations that are
>> > > bleeding the people.
>> >
>> >No corporation tells me to put down a 10X 'scope probe and pick up a
>> >shovel to dig a canal, or dig potatoes out of the fields. I'm free to
>> >do what I want, as long as idiotic government regulations aren't out
>> >to deprive me of my freedom (or electricity!).
>>
>> You can't have it both ways, Disengenuous Fraud..
>>
>> --More of your squirming double-standards are self-evident, per usual..
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:13:30 GMT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:33:19 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Kurt Lochner wrote:
>>
>> The Disengenuous Fraud, Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sniveled at:
>> >
>> > silverback wrote:
>> > >
>> > >Fraud, Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> whined again when:
>> > > >
>> > > > silverback wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>Sam A. Kersh wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > ><snip>
>> > > >
>> > > >> >I've come to the conclusion based on silverback's posts over the
>> > > >> >last year that he is a closet communist. He touts "welfare" aka
>> > > >> >redistribution of wealth through "progressive taxation."
>> > > >>
>> > > >> sorry progressive taxation is not redistribution
>> > > >
>> > > >Poor Glen doesn't know whether he's a Fascist (e.g., the state take-over
>> > > >of the California electricity industry) or a Communist (everything else)!
>> > >
>> > > too bad [Disengenuous Fraud] I'm neither I'm a liberal.
>> >
>> >And just what are you 'liberating', [..]
>>
>> The Usenet, of fools such as yourself, Disengenuous Fraud..
>>
>> > > >But, that's the problem with labels; a Bloody Collectivist like Glen will
>> > > >twist and contort himself a million different ways in order to disguise
>> > > >the liberty-destroying nature of his politics.
>> > >
>> > > allowing corporations to price gouge consumers has nothing to do with
>> > > being a collectivist [Disengenuous Fraud].
>> >
>> >The key is competition, Glen. That's what laissez-faire capitalism is
>> >all about, you see; without government regulations preventing some new
>> >company from competing, entrepreneurs have an incentive to innovate [..]
>>
>> And when the corporations practically own our means of 'self-governance'?
>
>You mean such corporations as the ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC ministries of
>communist propaganda...
sorry fool they are baised far to the right and only present the
corporate view.
>
>
>
>>
>> The fact is, Fraud, that the utilities lobby actively to make the
>> 'regulations' to their own liking, hardly the "laissez-faire capitalism"
>> that you pretend it is.. Does the term "robber-baron" mean anything
>> to you at all, or did your 'home-school' forget to mention that period
>> in the history of the United States?
>
>Many people have called the modern Russian economy "Robber Baron Capitalism"
>while failing to note that all of the Robber Barons are Communist Party bigwigs.
>
>
>
>>
>> > > In fact the real collectivist are the fucking corporations that are
>> > > bleeding the people.
>> >
>> >No corporation tells me to put down a 10X 'scope probe and pick up a
>> >shovel to dig a canal, or dig potatoes out of the fields. I'm free to
>> >do what I want, as long as idiotic government regulations aren't out
>> >to deprive me of my freedom (or electricity!).
>>
>> You can't have it both ways, Disengenuous Fraud..
>
>See above.
>
>
>>
>> --More of your squirming double-standards are self-evident, per usual..
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What Linux console?
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:13:10 +1200
SO do drug dealers that sell they products, regardless of how pure the
drug is. So, whats your point? The average user is a complete and
utter idiot to the nth degree. Mention the buzz words like,
"Multi-media", or "e-desktop enabled", and by hooker-by-crook, the
average luser will have an orgasm over it, even though it is more shyte
than the last release. Please Dave, you luser, get into the real world,
study marketing. If Microsoft were to be honest they would market
Windows 98 along these lines, "Yeap, Windows 95 has been sent to the
spin doctors, and now there is even more pointless shit included with
Windows, with, not 3x, not 4x, but 10x more bugs! all for the
wonderfully low price of $129.95".
Matthew Gardiner
Dave Martel wrote:
>
> On 11 Apr 2001 19:36:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cerutti)
> wrote:
>
> >I think Microsoft is insane to get into the console gaming
> >market. If SEGA, a company with decades of experience in the
> >field cannot do it right, what makes Microsoft think that *they*
> >can do it?
>
> They made billions on a useless OS, didn't they?
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operater from Hell)
If you donot like it go [#rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
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Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:15:17 GMT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:37:49 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Rob Robertson wrote:
>>
>> silverback wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:22:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam A. Kersh)
>> > wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > >I've come to the conclusion based on silverback's posts over the
>> > >last year that he is a closet communist. He touts "welfare" aka
>> > >redistribution of wealth through "progressive taxation."
>> >
>> > sorry progressive taxation is not redistribution
>>
>> Poor Glen doesn't know whether he's a Fascist (e.g., the state take-over
>> of the California electricity industry) or a Communist (everything else)!
>> But, that's the problem with labels; a Bloody Collectivist like Glen will
>> twist and contort himself a million different ways in order to disguise
>> the liberty-destroying nature of his politics.
>>
>> What *is* happening in America today? Are we feeling the effects of
>> 'democratic socialism', 'liberal fascism', or something else entirely?
>>
>> From http://www.taxguru.org/politics/Commies.htm;
>>
>> COMMUNIST MANIFESTO
>>
>> Published in February 1848 by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.
>>
>> Following are the ten measures needed for a Communist society, exactly
>> as published in the English language translation.
>>
>> 1. Expropriation of property in land and application of all rents of
>> land to public purposes.
>>
>> 2. A heavy progressive tax.
>>
>> 3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
>>
>> 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
>>
>> 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of
>> a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
>>
>> 6. Centralization of transport in the hands of the State.
>>
>> 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the
>> State; the bringing into cultivation of wastelands, and the
>> improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
>>
>> 8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial
>> armies, especially for agriculture.
>>
>> 9. Combination of agriculture with industry, promotion of the gradual
>> elimination of the contradictions between town and countryside.
>>
>> 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of
>> children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of
>> education with industrial production, etc.
>>
>>
>> The constitution of the United States is currently an odd admixture
>> of fascism, socialism, and resilient pockets of laissez-faire capitalism.
>> It defies an easy categorization because many of the previous forms of
>> collectivism have transformed themselves, as these freedom-destroying
>> ideologies are wont to do. That is why I refer to the current structure
>> as 'AmSoc'.
>
>Repealing the 17th Aemendment (it took the Senate out of the hands of the
>state legislatures, and turned it into a super-House-of-Representatives
>by mandating popular elections) is absolutely essential.
you see how these right wing extremist hate democracy folks? This
fucking asshole thinks political hacks should be able to appoint yer
senators of course the dumb fucker supports the illegitimate one
dimwit george.
>
>When the senate was chosen by state legislatures, the Federal
>government was kept in check, and socialism had an insurmountable
>wall to overcome.
>
>If you TRULY want to see an end to the leviathan Federal Government,
>then get the 17th Amendment repealed. When that happens, you'll
>see that the House of Representatives will no longer have the
>ability to commit such outrages such committing blackmail upon
>the state legislatures by holding federal gas tax revenues
>(earmarked for federal highways) hostage until they cry uncle.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> _
>> Rob Robertson
>>
>> "Thus the fear of concentration camps and the resulting insight
>> into the nature of total domination might serve to invalidate
>> all obsolete political differentiations from right to left and
>> to introduce beside and above them the politically most important
>> yardstick for judging events in our time, namely: whether they
>> serve totalitarian domination or not."
>>
>> - Hannah Arendt, _The Origins of Totalitarianism_, p. 442
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:14:18 -0700
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:59:21 -0400
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >WesTralia wrote:
> >>
> >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >> > One which has the full overhead of a function call, including
> >> > the overhead of pushing the CPU state onto the stack, and
> >> > recovering it at the end.
> >> >
> >>
> >> "pushing the CPU state onto the stack"
> >>
> >> OK genius, explain what you mean!
> >
> >
> >Pushing all data registers, pointers, and the program counter
> >onto the stack.
> >
> >What did YOU think it means?
>
> Pointers? What pointers?
>
> That's tangential to storing the state of the micro during a context
> switch or function call for later restore. A pointer is merely a
> novel method of interpreting a number within a general register or
> memory location as a memory address. (For that matter, a number is
> merely a novel method of interpreting the bits within a general
> register or memory address, and the bits within a general register
> are a novel method of interpreting logic voltages, which are merely
> novel methods of interpreting largish collections of electrons [*]:
> 1 pF = about 6,250,000 electrons per volt.)
>
> Of course, one of the pieces of CPU state is the program counter.... :-)
>
> OK, so I quibble.
>
> Note also that a smart compiler won't push all registers onto the stack;
> it would be kind of silly for a function such as:
>
> foobar:
> MOV 4(SP),R0 ; argument 1
> ADD 8(SP),R0 ; argument 2
> RET
>
> assuming the micro has registers R0 through Rn, where R0 is used
> to return values, a fairly typical backwards stack frame (push
> = decrement then shove), and a 4-byte PC.
>
> An even smarter compiler, of course, could inline the
> function and perform constant folding, translating
>
> A = foobar(1+2)
>
> to
>
> MOV #3,R5
>
> assuming A was being held in R5 in that section of code (another
> optimization of course is that a value needn't be stored immediately
> into memory; modern compilers don't really need 'register' anymore :-)).
>
> >
> >
> >> OUTED! LOL!
> >
> >Yes...I admit that I have a first-rate university-level education in
> >computer systems engineering.
>
> [.sigsnip]
>
> [*] very old memories used small ferrule cores (hence the
> term "core dump"). However, most modern computers, and
> all consumer-grade PCs, use dynamically-refreshed memory
> for the bulk of their RAM storage needs (there is some cache
> which is most likely SRAM in various spots). I don't know
> how many pF each transistor has sitting on its gate, though.
> I do remember that the leakage is such that they have to be
> refreshed every 2 ms or so...at least, as of 10 years ago.
> (Not as painful as it sounds, as DRAM is actually a two-
> dimensional array, with RAS and CAS strobes; to refresh,
> one throws an address onto CAS -- or was it RAS? -- and pulls it
> down for a short interval. A 64Mb would be, internally, 8192 x 8192,
> and a refresh cycle (one row) would have to be done about
> every 250 ns -- assuming the leakage hasn't changed; for all I
> know the transistors might be able to hold their charge for 20ms now.)
>
> There are also several formats for a "number"; the two most obvious
> ones are the typical two's-complement specified integer and
> the IEEE-compliant float or double, and the infamous
> big vs. little-endian debate.
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 6d:17h:02m actually running Linux.
> Are you still here?
Now you're bringing back old memories. (Pun intended) :-)
I saw a Libra-Scope computer in the smithstonian institute that used a
drum memory... the stupidest thing I ever saw. The electronics rotated
internally to the drum!
--
V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:17:37 GMT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:25:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
>on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:35:28 -0400
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>>
>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, silverback
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote
>>> on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 04:10:11 GMT
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:22:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam A. Kersh)
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Goldhammer wrote:
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:33:15 -0400,
>>> >>>> > Rob Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > > Right. Fascism is characterized by the *state-directed* control of
>>> >>>> > >the economy,
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Hmm. Sounds like communism.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Precisely.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Communism and Fascism are merely different sides of the same coin.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>And Capitalism has state-directed controls on the economy too.
>>> >>
>>> >>True capitalism is a laize faire proposition. And the prime rule is
>>> >>buyer beware.
>>> >
>>> >and a totally unworkable system
>>>
>>> I will agree on this point, 100% pure capitalism (with no regulation)
>>
>>anarchic capitalism, yes.
>>
>>Libertarian capitalism, no.
>
>Assuming "libertarian" meaning "minimal enforcement to ensure everyone's
>rights" or some such, I'd have to agree. But that's not lasseiz-faire,
>as I understand it. (Then again, lasseiz-faire may require a minimal
>level of enforcement as well, just to ensure no one gets swindled outright.
>I'd have to dig deep to check this, though.)
just remember we tried that bullshit lazy fairy economic bullshit once
in this country. It ended in a spectular failure called the Great
Depression.
>
>>
>>
>>> would lead to a very foul system indeed, as the top cats start
>>> cutting sweetheart deals to shut out the lower echelons of society;
>>> the lower echelons will in turn shut out even lower echelons, and
>>> the poor will end up dead (pick your poison: air pollution, water
>>
>>Which is exactly what DOES happen in Communism.
>
>Yes, that is correct, and we have proof. Certain cities in the
>Eastern part of Europe are blackened by decades of pollution.
>(I've not seen proof firsthand, but I have seen pictures.)
>
>I did not bring up this scenario to exclude communism; as far as
>I am concerned, sans regulation, both will end up at the same
>(bad) end. (And I must ask the question: why the ruble? In a
>pure communistic system, a monetary unit appears unnecessary.)
>
>Ideally, we wouldn't have to worry about it. Of course, ideally,
>we wouldn't have to worry about eating, drinking, defecating,
>moving from point A to point B, the high cost of energy used during
>flying [*], etc.
>
>>
>>> pollution, ground soil pollution, radioactivity, drive-by shootings
>>> by caring individuals using Tommy guns, ... :-) ). Ultimately, one
>>> will get a set of communes, each one a separate business, cartel, or trust.
>>>
>>> This is not to say communism is better; it leads to its own problems.
>>> The ideal system is a mix. A gasoline engine (standard 4-stroke,
>>> 2-stroke, jet turbine, whatever) cannot run on pure fuel or pure air;
>>> the trick is to adjust the mix in the combustion chamber for
>>> optimum throughput.
>>>
>>> Similarly with economies. The trick is to get the mix right.
>>> (It's actually a lot more complicated than that, with issues such
>>> as overshoot and ringing being thrown into the mix -- an overreactive
>>> regulatory system can "flood the engine", or lead into an oscillatory
>>> motion of the economy as the gain of the "amplifier" is too high,
>>> depending on which metaphor one desires. :-) I am of the opinion
>>> that the Fed needs to be more reactive and more precise, although
>>> I'm not sure how the Fed can accomplish same without a lot more
>>> economic data, reported more frequently that it is now.)
>>>
>
>[.sigsnip]
>
>[*] I'm referring to bird flight here. Birds have light air-filled bones
> and heavier musculature in their torsos than we do. We are
> still discovering some of their secrets (one interesting one is
> the creation of vortices by the flapping wing of a bird or moth,
> increasing the lift.
>
>--
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>EAC code #191 6d:10h:05m actually running Linux.
> We are all naked underneath our clothes.
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