Linux-Advocacy Digest #615, Volume #33 Sat, 14 Apr 01 22:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Impact of Internet (Alwyn Goodloe)
Re: Windoze is dying.... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: there's always a bigger fool ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Something cool in gcc ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Peter da Silva)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Peter da Silva)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alwyn Goodloe)
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.theory,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Impact of Internet
Date: 15 Apr 2001 01:10:42 GMT
Here's my take on these questions:
The internet, in a short time, has proven to be one of the best
ways to communicate information ever developed in history. Was
this why the guys at CERN developed it to begin with. For those of
us in academic research it has made life much easier. I think within
ten or fifteen years the most of academic publishing machine (except
for undergrad textbooks) will have been replaced by web based publishing.
Why because everything is costing more and more. Looked at the prices at
Springer or Elsevir lately?? The folks who actually produce the documents
make little. Now somehow we will still need editors so the products won't
be free but my guess is that haveing independent editors and no publishing
company will drive down the cost a great deal.
There are lots of other examples where the internet can make information
easier to produce and cheaper to get.
Now here's the kicker, the problem that the hype tried to hide and has
come back to haunt them. NO ONE HAS FIGURED OUT HOW TO USE THE NET TO MAKE
MONEY. Now I'm sure that some may rant that somehow this shouldn't be about
making money. Sorry, as my old man used to say -"Boy nobody owes you a living!".
If it won't make make money it won't be serving too many needs.
So far most people have been willing to buy on the web only those things that
they can't get locally or are alot cheaper. So a few botique shops seem to
thrive but by definition these aren't large and never will be. That leaves
saving money, the Wall Street Journal and others have been full of stories
as how difficult it is to sell products alot less than your local retail store.
Maybe it isn't possible and then the whole idea of shoping via the web was
just a marketing fantasy that sounded like a good idea at the time. Remember
video phones?
That still leaves B2B and other less spectacular applications
Note that people DO use the web. They use it to obtain information,
say to buy a car. In fact I think I recently read that almost half the
people who buy a car do research online. But, they won't actually buy it
until they get in and drive! Also, they aren't willing to pay to get that
information.
I'm not sure what the web needs is an app as a business model that
makes money.
I think that the commercial shakeup will continue, most will go bust
some will merge and survive on small profit margins. A few will even
thrive, say buying airline tickets. But these will be niche markets.
Now there are some real apps that could use some future net to
transform society. Say creating a virtual office where everyone works from
whereever they are located but meet and work in a virtual office space everyday.I mean
attend meetings, talk face to face, talk about tiger's latest victory
all in virtual space yet never leave Iowa or Alabama or whereever.
Now that would be useful.
Alwyn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
2 + 2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: We have seen the rise of the internet, especially beginning with its web
: phase.
: The tremendous web bubble, now collapsing at least partially, can be
: attributed to speculation, etc.
: There is no question that, aside from a frenzy to build web sites, the
: computer industry as a whole ITSELF has converged on the web, making
: tremendous investments in web-related technologies.
: Now is a time for sober second thoughts.
: In particular, how should the value of the web be analyzed in terms of
: technology, societal impact, etc.?
: Some points:
: 1. Hardware. It is interesting to comtemplate that, given the web as circa
: 1994-5
: (yes, I'm aware of TCP/IP's history--let the old stinky ready to do that
: tiresome lecture stand down to begin with--I can hear the gas expiring: "OH
: _____!!!" --wouldn't it be interesting for a change to have someone announce
: the "code paths" of their knowledge and what they DON'T KNOW ___ ___ about),
: that the first PC, ie low cost, servers using Pentium chips date from this
: era. What are the implications of IC chip tech moving its mass market into
: the domain of the server?
: 2. Protocols. How do we evaluate HTML/HTTP, especially the hyperlink, in the
: scheme of things?
: Would any run-of-the-mill programmer has invented such an easy,
: user-clicked, non-programmable thing as the web page with its attendent rise
: of web authoring, where specialists (bless all our ______ _____ selves) are
: not needed?
: 3. Hype. How do we evaluate the Java phenom against the foregoing (and
: XML-RPC/SOAP)?
: 4. Killer apps. It's been a long time since the browser hit as a killer-app.
: Has the tech brains gone into some kind of Trekkie warp and fossiled, due to
: some unknown combination of influences? Why the long hang time to the NEXT
: GREAT THING? Is the industry in an intense battle of infrastructure-building
: turf, which history will see as insignificant in the prespective of a 30-40
: year period?
: 5. The dot-com rhetoric has often said this is a New Industrial Age of
: Communication and/or Information.
: Is there any substance to this? If we put the present tech crew back into
: 1750, would they have missed the invention of the machine? Would those that
: could be supported by the non-machine economy be doing fine crafts like
: programming? Or in the next 30-40 years, will there be some new programming
: language and the same high sounding talk about new paradigms?
: 2 + 2
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windoze is dying....
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:11:37 -0400
Todd wrote:
>
> "Ray Chason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/13/1236215&mode=thread
> >
> > Well, well, well. It seems the almighty Redmond Empire can't get
> > its Xbox out on time.
>
> Did you bother reading the article?? There was *nothing* from any official
> sources (not even unofficial for that matter) that claimed XBOX would be
> late.
Microsoft has NEVER delivered anything on time.
Hope that helps.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:14:22 -0400
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> Here is my little theory on the economic downturn.
>
> For the last 10 years the US has enjoyed excellent growth. However,
> this growth has been mainly fueled by internal demand. Consumers have
> now larger debts, consumers also are donot have the great demand for
Yours truly has NO debt.
Hehheh.
> goods are there was 10 years ago. Now that demand has decreased,
> companies must export there goods overseas to maintain their growth
> targets. However, no one wants to buy US made goods overseas because
> they are too expensive due to the high dollar and as a result, many of
> these companies can't sell there goods overseas in a sufficient number
> thus, the lower profits forcasts.
Actually, the economy started cooling off within a month of when
petroleum prices started going up. This immediately puts a dent
into the typical consumer's toy-buying budget.
>
> The two things that need to happen, first, drastically devalue the
> dollar to increase returns to US companies when exporting, thus fueling
> growth and more jobs. Second, maintain the official cash rate at around
> 5.5% With those two in place, the end result should be a robust, export
> lead recovery ensuring that real growth is achieved that can be
> maintained.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operater from Hell)
>
> If you donot like it go [#rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1 Pro w/ Kernel 2.4.2
>
> SuSE, the best of German engineering, now in software form :)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: there's always a bigger fool
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:16:41 -0400
Nigel Feltham wrote:
>
> > 1) It has attempted to update a locked file, such as a system file.
> > 2) It has installed something expected to run during the startup phase of
> > operations
> > 3) It is installing a service (not in the NT sense, but in the sense of a
> > background application or library) which needs to be launched in order to
> > work
> >
> > One might suggest that in the case of #3, a better approach could be used.
> > I agree. In the cases of #2 and #1, I'm not sure how, given such an
> > application being installed, Linux would handle this any better; how
> > exactly does Linux handle live patching of the kernel, for example,
> > without rebooting?
> >
>
> Case #1: It is very rare for any application install under linux to need to
> replace a system file - if it does need a newer system file it usually adds
> another version (different versions have different filenames) then changes
> standard symbolic link (with no version num in name) to point to new
> version - any apps still running can continue to run with existing system
> file until they need to restart and then they use new version.
>
> Case #2: The only reason any app install needs to reboot the machine is
> because it needs to load something before a specific system service starts
> - why can't it just stop the service, load it's code then restart the
> service or are MS programmers too stupid to think of this?
>
M$ requires a reboot any time anything is changed because they STILL
have the CP/M mentality of "well, we can always shut down the machine
at any time"
> As for kernel patches, many parts which may need patching are installed as
> loadable modules - just unload module and load patched version. Other
> kernel patches do need a reboot but this is like patching code inside
> windows KERNEL32.DLL - how many windows users can do this even if they
> wanted to? Why quote something which linux users can do but windows users
> can't as an example of a need to reboot the system or were you desparate to
> find one of the few instances where Linux needs rebooting as there are so
> few of them?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Something cool in gcc
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:16:44 -0400
mlw wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > Why don't you instead, write standard C++ like this:
> >
> > const int len = strlen(string)+1;
> > char var[len];
> >
> > Much easier and fully standard conforming.
>
> Are you kidding?
>
> If "string" is a variable, "len" can't be a constant.
That's erik for ya
>
> --
> I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
> ------------------------
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:16:47 -0400
Jim Richardson wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:51:42 GMT,
> silverback, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
>
> >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:24:34 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>Goldhammer wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:33:15 -0400,
> >>> Rob Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Right. Fascism is characterized by the *state-directed* control of
> >>> >the economy,
> >>>
> >>> Hmm. Sounds like communism.
> >>
> >>Precisely.
> >>
> >>Communism and Fascism are merely different sides of the same coin.
> >
> >bullshit you lying sack of shit. Fascism is the polar opposite of
> >communism. They have nothing in common.
> >
>
> Fascicsm=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> Communism=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
>
> wow! no similarity there!
</SLIVERDICK>
But, but, but...their FLAGS are different!
</sliverdick>
>
> --
> Jim Richardson
> Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
> WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
> Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:16:52 -0400
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On 14 Apr 2001 17:46:36 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>"T. Max Devlin"
> >>
> >>> >The truer translation is "You shall not murder". We've been through
> >>this.
> >>>
> >>> I thought it was "you shall not slay." How do you know which it is?
> >>
> >>Take your pick. Killing in war is neither illegal, unethical, nor immoral.
> >
> >And here�s something, in your own words that may clear why you are full
> >of odorous remainders of the digestive process:
> >
> >"killing in war is not illegal".
> >
> >a) That is not true in general
> >b) That requires some standard: "law" against which it can be declared
> > "legal" does it not?
> >
> >In 3000BC, the standard included massive rape of the women of the defeated
> >and mass sacrifices of the defeated soldiers.
> >
>
> Well that's not true at all. Show us an example in 3000BC where
> massive rape of the defeated women occurred. Since you throw
> out such blatantly false statements as fact, everything you
> say is questionable.
Standard practice in Europe right up until medieval times.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 15 Apr 2001 01:01:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Ash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ironic that you'd mention Transmeta, given that what is probably MS's
> largest competitor was created by someone who now works for them.
Apple? Jobs is back there, and WOz is a school teacher.
Or do you mean UNIX? That was Kernighan, Ritchie, Thompson, Pike, they all
still work for Bell Labs/Lucent last I heard.
--
`-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disclaimer: WWFD?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 15 Apr 2001 01:03:20 GMT
In article <MPG.1542819b53d2215d989683@news>,
Greg Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems to me that at least the standard command line commands in CP/M
> were based on DEC TOPS-10 since they were all the same. At least I
> assume that TOPS-10 preceeded CP/M...
More than just TOPS. CP/M was inspired by ISIS, an Intel OS that borrowed
from RT-11, and they got PIP from RSX-11.
--
`-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disclaimer: WWFD?
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