Linux-Advocacy Digest #615, Volume #34 Sat, 19 May 01 00:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!! (Terry Porter)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Michael Vester)
Re: Here we go: Mundie vs GPL, round two... ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!! ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Michael Vester)
Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!! (Terry Porter)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!! ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (Terry Porter)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Michael Vester)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!!
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 19 May 2001 03:00:07 GMT
On Fri, 18 May 2001 22:11:12 GMT, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I tried to install Mandrake 8.0 on my Athlon based system and it
> virtually destroyed all of my data.
Virtually ?
Is that like 'I was virtually pregnant' ?
What happened to your backupof this
'important data' ?
You do know,I hope that any data thats not backed up, prefferably
of-site, is as good as lost, regardlessof the OS, don't you ?
>
> It overwrote my Bootmagic bootloader with some "grubby" thing and
> rendered my win 2000 partition useless.
>
> I lugged the entire system to CompUSA where I bought it and they got
> it back for me thank goodness without any data loss.
>
> They also told me that they get many customers in there who try to
> install Linux and it trashes their systems....
These SAME customers, would be unable to install Windows, especially
in conjunction with any OS already installedon their pc.
> What a piece of crap this Linux garbage is...
Hahahah, go away andlearn some basic computer skills
I'd suggest that you start at 'how to back up your data"
Hint: Don't use any of the MS back up junk. Just zip up
your data and save that, preferably not on site.
>
> And before you tell me everything I have done wrong
I don't think you'd listen.
> I told Linux to
> install on the Linux drive, not the mbr. It still put that grubby
> thing in there.
It's called the 'GRand Unified Bootloader command shell'.
>
> Good name for a linux program..
Glad you approve Flatty ... opps I meant 'Wendy'.
>
>
> wendy
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:38:45 -0700
"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jon Johansan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> : news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> :> Interconnect wrote:
> :>
> :> > [HUGE SNIP]
> :> > > This is coming from a person who plays games on the server, ROFL!
> :> > >
> :> > > Matthew Gardiner
> :> >
> :> > What do you expect from a dedicated Windows *professional* :D
> :>
> :> Of course. Chad Myers is the sort of idiot who would user a server as a
> :> workstation as well. On several occasions that was he said thats what
> :> he also used the server for.
>
> : This cracks me up coming from the linvocates who KEEP talking about linux
> : being free and saving money is so important...
>
> You'd learn more if you'd listen more. Most Linux advocates are
> gainfully employed people, for whom time is far more valuable than
> money. The "free" we care about is freedom, not price.
>
> When you consider the cost in time, Linux takes some time to learn up
> front, and therefore can be viewed as being initially more expensive
> than 'Doze. But the time saved - from greater productivity, better
> tools, lack of crashing, more ability to automate virtually anything -
> more than pays back that increased cost.
>
> Joe
Good post. I make a good living and the cost of losedos 2k is trivial.
"Free" to me means the ability to really understand how an operating
system work. Knowledge is very liberating. A good example of being
liberated wit knowledge is repairing an automobile. I have knowledge of
basic automotives. When I take my car in for servicing, I know exactly
what the mechanic is saying. I have never been "ripped off" for repairs
that were not necessary. My 1976 Pontiac runs very well and never fails
to start in the middle of winter. It passes all safety inspections.
Without automotive knowledge, I would be held hostage every time my car
required attention. Or it would be far to expensive to operate.
The same goes for computers and operating systems. Most people walk into a
computer store and the salesperson knows more than they do. The
unknowledgeable computer shopper does not have a hope in getting what they
need. I have represented many friends and family members in the purchase
of a computer. At least they were knowledgeable enough to have me assist
them.
Of course, I am free from crashing, endless hardware upgrades and long
boot ups. I am free to give away anything on my Linux boxes. I am free to
setup and configure a computer so that it will do exactly what I want it
to do.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Here we go: Mundie vs GPL, round two...
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:24:21 +0600
Dave Martel wrote:
> His point is mostly that it's hard to make money selling GPL'd code.
> Consumers couldn't care less if GPL damages commercial software
> profits so who is he really talking to here?
The legislators MS 0wns.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:32:17 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Michael Vester"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It was this quote that clued me in
>
> "I lugged the entire system to CompUSA where I bought it and they got it
> back for me thank goodness without any data loss."
>
> That is definitely a "FlatFishism." They must think she/he/it is a real
> nut case after marking Linux boxes with yellow tape last year to see how
> fast the stock moved. I like the name Flatfish. Hope she/he/it keeps
> it. Hear that Flatfish, you have a fan.
A person's writing style is as unique as their fingerprint. In the
states, its commonly accepted in the courts that ten similarities between
two fingerprints constitutes a match. Ten points of identification, it's
called. Those points can be arches, loops, whorls, breaks, etc.
The same is true of writing, whether hand-lettered or typed. For
instance, if you search Google for previous post of mine where I closed by
signing my name, you'll see that I typed it "Paolo". And you typed yours
"Michael". Most people do that. Only rarely will a person *NOT*
capitalize their name when adding a signatory line. Oddly enough, you even
misspelled "flatfish" as "Flatfish" repeatedly, with a leading upshifted
letter, something the real flatfish / steve / heather / amy / keys88 *HAS*
*NEVER* *DONE*. And that's one of the points of identification in his/her
posts.
I do so hate to give away trade secrets, but that last post had over two
dozen unique points of identification, so I don't expect this will
seriously jeapordize my ability to spot the scoundrel in the future.
Leopards do not change their spots and all that.
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:56:06 -0700
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > > It seems that Cal. isn't the only state having troubles with black outs.
> > > We're starting to see some server farms drop off the net for a while
> > > because the server farms aren't being told a rolling black out is
> > > coming.
> > >
> > > --
> > > V
> >
> > Why not build more power plants? New Zealand is already building two more power
> > plants to handle the ever increasing demand. 70-80% of power is from hydro, and the
> > rest is from Geothermal, Coal, and Gas fired plants. Up at the garbage dump there
> > is a small power plant running off the methane produced from the rubbish dump, so,
> > maybe California should setup one of those outside Microsoft to capture all the
>crap
> > that they produced.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
>
> Power Plants?? We can't because all the environmentalists won't allow
> it. They don't like logging either. Sure hope they don't miss their
> toilet paper.
>
> --
> V
We are facing the same problems here in Alberta. Caused by deregulation
without enough generating capacity. Already had two short blackouts this
May. I just acquired a much bigger UPS. The new UPS should be good for a
solid half hour. It will be installed sometime this weekend. The old UPS
will be relegated to running my alarm clock. Was late for work once
because of an overnight outage. Woke up to a flashing 12:00.
My father was so annoyed with our power situation, he installed a 6.5
kilowatt gasoline generator and wired it into his house. If we get some
long blackouts, I am going to get a generator too.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!!
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 19 May 2001 03:10:49 GMT
On Sat, 19 May 2001 01:49:47 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2001 22:11:12 GMT, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
<A song of Linux sadness, a pocket full of FUD>
>>
>>
>>wendy
>
>
> Have you been reading How-To's for the last 6 months or so?
I don't think 'Wendy' has Flattie, as she seemed to clueless.
> If not, then don't even think about trying Linux because you will be
> sorely disappointed.
Not everyoneislike you Flatty.
> You see, Linux is not an operating system it is a
> religion
Amen!
> that will take over and consume your entire life and your
> entire existence.
True, it even seems that Linux can compell some people, who
never got it going properly, to consume their entire lives
posting FUD under fake id's to COLA!
What do you havetosay about that:-
"Steve,Mike,Heather,Simon,teknite,keymaster,keys88,Sewer Rat,
S,Sponge,Sarek,piddy,McSwain,pickle_pete,Ishmeal_hafizi,Amy,
Simon777,Claire,Flatfish+++,Flatfish" ??
> If you are not ready to make that kind of commitment
> to Linux then it is no surprise that you failed.
I'm certain 'Wendy' will get over 'her' failure to
instal Linux, *exactly* as you did, back in 1997.
>
> flatfish
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
**** ****
My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
1972 Kawa Mach3, 1974 Kawa Z1B, .. 15 more road bikes..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 03:36:55 GMT
On Fri, 18 May 2001 20:56:08 +0100,
Nigel Feltham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:
: > The vast majority of virii spread via email are vbscripts. Emailing
: > executables? I've got my mail server configured to strip executables.
: > There is no good reason to email exe's.
: >
:
: What about the need for software companies to be able to send patches to
: users - the only option now is to compress them with winzip and expect the
: users to find a decompression program before they can use the patch.
Um, there was this wacky invention that came out of a physics lab in
Switzerland a few years back - it's called the world wide web. Emailing
patches? How stupid can you get? Patches tend to be large. SMTP was
not designed to be a file transfer protocol.
--
Jason Costomiris <>< | Technologist, geek, human.
jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
My account, My opinions.
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:55:39 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Terry Porter"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I see "flatfish" has replied to "wendy" in a futile attempt to lend
legitimacy to the original post. Where have we seen this before? Maybe
back when "mike" used to corroborate posts from "heather"? And "steve"
used to get a dialogue on with "amy"? And it was frickin' obvious to the
rest of us it was all the same person?
Gawd, this is getting old.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing?
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 19 May 2001 03:56:42 GMT
On Fri, 18 May 2001 20:07:53 -0500,
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>> >
>> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >
>> > I do have a running Linux system, Mandrake 7.2, but you're right,
>> > star-office is not installed, neither is X, so it's beside the point.
>>
>> What type of system do you have? With X and star-office installed you
>> would see what others have been saying. Try it.
>
> It's quite difficult to get Mandrake to install exactly what you want when
> you have only limited disk space.
> It's a P100 with 72 MB of memory and an
> old S3 Trio/64+ chipset. X just doesn't seem to like it,
I have a S3 Trio64 dram card that works fine.
> and the OS crashes
> when I try to use it. Oddly, it ran windows just fine, but i'm not blaming
> Linux,
I for one don't see you blaming Linux for much at all.
And constructive critisism or debate never hurt Linux, in fact
it's necessary to improve it(imho).
> it's a flaky video chipset. (Onboard Dell thingamojob).
Eww Dell:((
>
> In any event, I'm using it for a firewall mostly.
Whats the firewall software you'll be using.
>
>
>
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
**** ****
My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
1972 Kawa Mach3, 1974 Kawa Z1B, .. 15 more road bikes..
Current Ride ... a 94 Blade
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:26:09 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Stephen Cornell wrote:
> >
> > > > > Edward Rosten wrote:
> > > > >> If you have really firm evidence that homosexualtiy is genetic, I
> > > > >> suggest you publish.
> >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > > Then you admit that it's a choice.
> >
> > > Edward Rosten wrote:
> > > > Do you think ceberal paulsy a choice? Hint: it isn't genetic.
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > So, you admit that it's a result of a defect of some sort.
> >
> > For some animals, sex is determined environmentally. If you are a
> > crocodile, being male is neither genetic nor a choice - do you
> > therefore believe that it is a defect?
>
> If the environmental effect causes the crocodile successfully seek out
> reproductive opportunities, and take advantage of them, then no, it is
> not a defect.
>
> On the other hand, if it causes the crocodile to prefer trying to get
> sex from dead logs than other crocodiles, then yes, it's a defect.
>
> Members of the inappropriate sex are, for the purposes of this discussion,
> the equivalent of dead logs.
>
And that is why I think the whole argument is pointless. Homosexuality has
a powerful limiting force, they tend not to breed. I do not believe it is
chosen. I can't remember a point in my life where I had to make such a
decision. Whether it is an organic defect or a personality flaw, is yet
to be determined.
Personally, I don't care about anyone's sexual preference. In my work
environment, if I stood up during a meeting and stated, "I like to insert
my erect penis into a woman's vagina and move it back and forth until I
ejaculate", I would be promptly fired. Would that be discrimination?
There are times and places where revealing your sexual preference is not
welcome or appreciated. It is certainly not appropriate in the work
place. Sexuality is private and should be kept private.
When I listen to my gay friends whine about work place discrimination, I
always ask them, "How does anyone know?" In my work place, nobody knows
my sexual preference and they never will. I am a celibate heterosexual if
anyone cares. This is a news group and it is not unacceptable to make such
a statement. The celibacy is a temporary state, I hope. AIDS is a small
problem compared to the other sexually transmitted diseases. Better
celibate than dead.
> > --
> > Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
> > University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 00:10:17 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 18 May 2001
> [...]
> >But the reason Windows is so successful is because
> >the apps run on it.
>
> The reason apps run on it is not because of success, though, but because
[...deletia...]
Just so you know, I stopped reading at "because".
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