Linux-Advocacy Digest #283, Volume #34 Mon, 7 May 01 06:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Drive Partitions ("A. Smith")
Re: Drive Partitions ("Tom Wilson")
Max Not the .NET (Was: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("2 + 2")
Re: where's the linux performance? (Donn Miller)
Re: Why 90% of CEO's are morons (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Why 90% of CEO's are morons (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Drive Partitions (Dean Thompson)
Re: A Windows enthusiasts take on Mundie's speech ("Mikkel Elmholdt")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Windos is *unfriendly* ("Mikkel Elmholdt")
Re: WinTrolls and advocates are the ones who are geeks! ("Mikkel Elmholdt")
Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Yet another IIS security bug ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
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From: "A. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Drive Partitions
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 00:57:29 -0700
I am trying to install Mandrake on a booty (lame) computer, and I get a
bizarre error after seting up hard drive partions:
"Not enough swap space for install."
What does that mean? Does anybody know?
The machine only has 16 MG or Ram, is that why?
Any help would be apreciated.
Andrew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Software Developer http://catalyst.washington.edu
Educational Technology Group http://depts.washington.edu/edtec
University of Washington http://www.washington.edu
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Drive Partitions
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:14:13 GMT
"A. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> I am trying to install Mandrake on a booty (lame) computer, and I get a
> bizarre error after seting up hard drive partions:
> "Not enough swap space for install."
> What does that mean? Does anybody know?
> The machine only has 16 MG or Ram, is that why?
> Any help would be apreciated.
16 Meg of RAM IS a bit small....
How large a swap partition are you making?
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Max Not the .NET (Was: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 04:17:00 -0400
T. Max Devlin wrote in message ...
>I'm afraid this calls for a little top-posting.
>
>Your response was not convincing, Erik, it wasn't cogent and provided
>not even a metaphoric refutation of the disastrous work MS is doing
>trying to foist .NET on developers and the public. Bugs in random
>redhat software are hardly surprising; bugs happen. Chris's compilation
>was not a random set of bugs; it was an illustration of serious design
>flaws and conclusive proof of the vaporware nature of the promises about
>.NET. In comparison, there are no promises about redhat software: just
>the software, at rather nicely affordable rates.
>
>Guffaw.
[snip]
"Top-posting," eh?
I suppose that means the Mad Max appears out of his own hat (top hat, that
is) and
makes a speech.
"And some speech it was," said Alice. "It went off in every direction and
nowhere all at once."
Re .NET (let's define vaporware as everything Max can't understand):
" . . .Microsoft approached the Mercury researchers at the University of
Melbourne regarding an opportunity to participate in a research and
development effort involving a multi-language platform, under the banner
"Project 7." See "Mercury on Microsoft's .NET framework" at
http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/research/mercury/information/dotnet/mercury_and_dotne
t.html
Open source people, you know mate. And not too sweet on a Java-only
approach, you know, when they have their own fish to fry (Max: that literary
device means they have their own Mercury language to promote).
". . . compiling your source code causes the compiler to emit MSIL. MSIL is
a CPU-independent intermediate language created by Microsoft after
consultation with several external commercial and academic language/compiler
writers. MSIL is much higher level than most CPU machine languages. It
understands object types and has instructions that create and initialize
objects, call virtual methods on objects, and manipulate array elements
directly. It even has instructions that raise and catch exceptions for error
handling. See "Microsoft .NET Framework Delivers the Platform for an
Integrated, Service- Oriented Web" at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/0900/Framework/Framework.asp.
Since the thread did so well with COM, the next project is .NET.
What is innovative in .NET? And created by the 10 original employees at
Microsoft so we can count it as a REAL innovation by Microsoft and not just
the hires and buys. :)
Finally, the MSIL compiles down a SECOND TIME to machine code, the most
interesting of which is the IA-64 EPIC chip which is heavily parallel. Crib
link: http://www.arstechnica.com/cpu/1q99/ia-64-preview-1.html
[I expect a .NET on McKinley show at some point, like those 500 workstations
hitting on COM+ machine for a new TPC-C mark.]
All the dependent types have to be unwound by the compiler into parallel
streams.
Parallel streams? Help me now, Max. How can we fish in four places at once?
2 + 2
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 04:19:27 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where's the linux performance?
Ian Pulsford wrote:
> make a custom kernel. Then switch to FreeBSD.
Oh great. Then he'll be trolling the FreeBSD NG's. 8) Oh well, I
suppose he's still more informed than that jerk Don Kool. (You know,
FreeBSD and Linux ain't UNIX because it hasn't been certified by the
Open Group.) Little does Donnie know that the Open Group seems to be
swinging on the side of FreeBSD and Linux these days with the opening of
the Motif source code. It's a great advancement, although some will
argue it's too little, too late. But for people who are used to
developing Motif apps on open source OSes, this is a very nice
thing(tm).
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why 90% of CEO's are morons
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 20:31:47 -0700
Flacco wrote:
>
> What's New Zealand like?
Terrible, CEO's of companies earning $1.7 Million per year, yet not
sterring companies in the correct direction, Telecom and Tranz Rail are
two businesses with declining profits.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why 90% of CEO's are morons
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 20:36:06 -0700
> Spare us. You're arguing that you have 20-20 hindsight, but you aren't
> offering much proof. The real reasons for success and failure in business
> are almost always complex. Decisions that seemed right at one point in time
> may seem terrible in hindsight. The real test of a business is how they
> learn from those mistakes and move forward.
>
> Good CEOs know that the fundamental rules are pretty simple. You have to
> find a market where you can compete effectively, and you have to offer more
> value to the customer than your competitors. Companies rise and fall largely
> based on their ability to do that.
>
> So, companies like SGI fall, while others rise to take their place. You
> complain about the CEO of SGI, but you don't consider the companies that
> have grown at SGI's expense.
Corel stuffed up trying to port Corel Wordperfect to Java, ok, companies
make mistakes, however, why did they instantly set out and try to market
Netwinder? wouldn't of it been better to wait a year or two to regain
some profits to cover the money lost on that little adventure? they
learnt nothing from the java incident. However, it is nice to see that
the new CEO is sterring Corel to the right direction, that is, focusing
on it core function, producing creative software. Hopefully, by the end
of this year, Corels fortunes will be better, and more Linux software
will be on its way.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Drive Partitions
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:36:34 +1000
Hi Andrew,
> I am trying to install Mandrake on a booty (lame) computer, and I get a
> bizarre error after seting up hard drive partions:
> "Not enough swap space for install."
> What does that mean? Does anybody know?
> The machine only has 16 MG or Ram, is that why?
> Any help would be apreciated.
I think you will find that 16Mb of ram is reasonably small for the later
installs of Redhat and Mandrake. I know that as Mandrake and Redhat have
developed, so has the footprint of the install program as well.
You might like to either try and find another 16Mb of memory, or possibly
install an earlier version of Redhat or Mandrake. Increasing your swap space
size during the install might also help you out. For 16Mb of memory, you will
want at least 32Mb of swap space (I would even go higher).
See ya
Dean Thompson
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From: "Mikkel Elmholdt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Windows enthusiasts take on Mundie's speech
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:48:49 +0200
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Adam Warner wrote:
> >
> > Paul Thurrott of WinInfo:
> >
> > http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=20985
> >
> > (when I wrote "'nuff said" the other day it was only because I was just
> > posting the URL :-)
> Oh, just as a follow up, how can a GPL program fork? when all
> modifications must be made public and handed back to the author.
No-one is requiring the original author to incorporate the changes into his
codebase. He/she may not like the changes, and decide to toss them into the
bin. In the meantime the modified version may live on. This would of course
give the modificator a greather responsibility for maintaining the forked
version, thus probably deterring most hackers.
In the embedded/realtime circles where I usually spend my time, it is
well-known that Linuz Torvalds actively rejected several suggestions to give
Linux true realtime capabilities, as he wanted to use the "fairness
scheduler method" (the latter being better for servers & workstations, but
is not suitable for a robot controller). As a result several companies has
developed realtime solutions for Linux. Some of them are "add-ons", such as
RT-Linux from FSM Labs, and does not represent a fork as such. But companies
like Montavista and TimeSys has developed a replacement scheduler with
realtime capabilities. I think that this actually represents a fork in the
Linux development, although not a very serious one. The mentioned changes
are of course all available under GPL, but I don't think that we'll ever see
them in an official Linux kernel release.
<snip>
Mikkel
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:12:35 +0200
James Philips wrote:
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>It's quite obvious that your experience is rather deficient.
>
> Thanks for reminding me why I avoid this newsgroup, I had almost
> forgotten how much I hate the attitude of the fanatical Linux advocates
> who post here.
>
> Maybe Linux would be a more successful and easy to use OS if so many
> fans weren't in denial about it's flaws.
>
But I don�t understand what you�re complaining about.
Sure, Aaron Kookis is a jerk who should be autokillfiled.
But above quote is correct. You certainly don�t have any experience with
the newer distros, say SuSE7.1 or RedHat7.
These are *easier* to set up than a windows-box for an unexperienced
newcomer, not harder. Two years ago that would have been a different
story.
Peter
--
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
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From: "Mikkel Elmholdt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windos is *unfriendly*
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:15:21 +0200
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>>
> When was the last time a Linux advocate jumped into a MICROSOFT
> ADVOCACY GROUP and derided Windows for being too difficult for the
> "home" or "average" or "grandmother" user.
No idea, but I would be somewhat surprised if it had not occurred at some
point in time :-)
> Windows users make the claim that Windows = Easy and Linux = Hard.
> Terry is simply pointing out that this is not really true. What may
> sound like hipocracy to you is entirely valid -- but only because
> Windows users make the assertion.
I did not accuse Terry of hypocracy, but more of presenting a bad case. My
point was simply, that a guy that can spend two months unsuccessfully
networking two Windows PCs will have a hard time getting anything PC-ish to
work. I don't think that he would be more successful in networking two boxes
running Linux (or any other OS for that matter), not because of any
shortcomings in the OS but because of his own limited technical skills.
Mikkel
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From: "Mikkel Elmholdt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WinTrolls and advocates are the ones who are geeks!
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:28:57 +0200
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mikkel Elmholdt wrote:
> >
> > "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > You've gotta love the crap you read in here, how we're all supposed to
> > > be "Linux geeks". You hear that repeated many times in here by the
> > > Wintrolls. In fact, the Wintrolls are the ones who are geeks. Did
you
> > > ever see how geeky Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer are? Damn, but if
those
> > > two aren't the biggest geeks I've ever seen! Linus Torvalds is much
> > > cooler by comparison.
> >
> > He ain't cool, he's just Finnish! Finns are not cool people, they are
> > INCREDIBLY boring, moody and prone to drink hard (moonshine) liquor -
here
> > in Scandinavia we know that the world's shortest book is a collection of
> > Finnish jokes, and that the most boring TV programme is a 3-hour Finnish
> > docu-drama about a steelworker's day at the mill (I'm from Denmark, and
no,
> > we don't like Swedes either).
> Not to mention the overly politically correct policies they are
> enforcing onto the masses. Mind you, in terms of drinking, there must
> be a Russian influence there :)
Well AFAIK, when Russians get drunk (and *do* they get drunk!), they get
very sentimental, and are prone to sing long and sad songs about Mother
Russia and stuff. Finns on comparison grows very silent and mean, and want
to fight with knives (or so I've heard). Swedes do not get drunk, except
when they are visiting Denmark (because here they can actually BUY alcohol.
And then they get drunk in the loudest and most disgusting way possible).
And Danes .... well, you don't want to know.
Mikkel
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:56:38 +0200
"Johan Kullstam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 6 May 2001
13:33:48
> > > >"green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >news:9d38m6$r3r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > >> Probably wouldn't be hard to put a coffee maker on, but that may
> > violate
> > > >> some gpl on the howto for getting linux to make coffee.
>
> the GPL doesn't prevent anyone from developing their own
> implementation any more than a propritary software license prevents
> linux from cloning unix.
>
> > > >That is one thing that frighten me about the GPL.
> > > >There is already GPLed data, what happen when other things start to
get
> > GPL?
>
> i'm not a lawyer, but GPL has nothing to do with data.
freedb.org, read COPYING
> > > Then the world becomes a better place.
> >
> > Really? Then why don't tell me how happy you would be when the credit
card
> > companies would publish *your* credit history, because of GPL?
>
> what planet do you live on? they already publish your credit history.
> afaict it has nothing to do with the GPL.
On the US, maybe, not where *I* live.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:57:22 +0200
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Nah! FUD!
You qouted the whole articles for *two* words?
And what was FUD about it?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:59:11 +0200
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 7 May 2001 01:48:02 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Jonas Due Vesterheden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:KmiJ6.10919$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> "donc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i en meddelelse
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > Oh sure. And everybody knows that NCSA Mosaic was inspired by IE.
Why,
> >> > if it weren't for Microsoft's innovation there wouldn't even an
> >> > internet today. But perhaps their biggest contributions have been in
> >> > the areas of reliability and openess.
> >
> >> Are you saying that Microsoft created the internet or am I
> >misunderstanding?
> >> If not, can you please explain?
> >
> >A> live a space between your responses and your qouting.
> >B> he's being sarcatic.
> >C> IE is *much* more than Mosaic.
> >
>
> ...but not an original idea.
Idea, no. Idea*s*, yes.
IE has far more features tha Mosaic.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Yet another IIS security bug
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:01:14 +0200
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9d4obs$bti$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > (from what I've heard, a Mac would reduce me to a gibbering wreck).
>
> Not if you install Linux on it :-)
Why? I mean, if I want to get a linux machine, why waste so much money on a
Mac. A comparable x86 machine would cost much less.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:04:59 +0200
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9d4qn5$cqh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > There are problems with LGPL code using properity code, but on general,
> > I agree.
> >
> > David: LGPL says: "I gives you this code, and whatever you do with this
> > code, you'll have to show me." GPL says: "I gives you this code, and
> > whatever you do with this code, as well as any *other* code you use, you
> > must show me."
>
> No the GPL says, if you use my code, you must show me exactly what you do
> with it. That "exactly" includes the whole program that you're using it
> in. The LGPL says, if you link to my code, then you're not a derived work.
>
>
> > As was mentioned FSF seem to ignore Sun's violations of a the GPL. But
> > in theory, Sun shouldn't be able to ship *any* GPL software with
> > Solaris, unless it GPL the whole thing. LGPL, I think, have the same
> > problem, I'm not so sure about it.
>
>
> No, that's not true. Sun is quite free to ship GCC and GAWK and whatever
> with solaris. Shipping them in no way makes the kernel a derived work,
> and hence it doesn't fall under the GPL.
<Qoute>
These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable
sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be
reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then
this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you
distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections
as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of
the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other
licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part
regardless of who wrote it.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:10:27 +0200
"billwg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:vOnJ6.164066$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9d4c2k$g9v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > But why do you think that Windows makes a better desktop platrom than
the
> > MacOS?
> >
> There's a lot of philosophy involved here that transcends the technology
> issue. Many people sneer at Windows and point to various technology
> limitations or design deficiencies, but a great deal of that effort is
> misdirected. Windows is a great product for the lone reason that so many
> people use it and can therefore connect effectively with one another and
> exchange information in a useable way.
No, that is not the reason, I'm afraid. See below.
> MacOS is just fine for running a Macintosh computer AFAIK, but it is not
as
> fine for exchanging information in the form of files or floppy diskettes,
or
> such with others simply because Macintosh computers are far less prevalent
> in the community. Windows can certainly be made better and frequently is
by
> Microsoft. No one can dispute that Win2K is better than WinNT4
Agreed so far.
which was
> better than WinNT3.51 which was better than WinNT3.1, etc,
A> There is no etc in the NT line.
B> many people constider NT3.51 superior to NT4, mainly because of kernel
space GDI.
> and the same for
> Win3.0/Win3.1/Win3.11/Win95/98/Me. XP will be better yet.
I won't comment on Win3, I think that 98SE is the best 9x that ever was, and
that isn't saying much.
ME isn't worth your time.
> But all will allow their users to intercommunicate with one another and
> exchange information.
I don't think that this is the reason.
If Macs were as prelevent as PCs, then the same would've been true for Macs.
But that isn't what I asked, popularity aside, why did daniel thinks that
Windows is better than a Mac as a desktop platform?
Can you answer the question, not as daniel, obviously, but still.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:10:45 +0200
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Daniel Johnson wrote:
> >
> > "Roy Culley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <NuXI6.6002$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >> Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > > >> > You seem quite fixated on your opinion that Microsoft
> > > >> > has transgressed the letter of the law in producing a better
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> What "better product" would that be?
> > > >
> > > > That'd be Windows.
> > >
> > > I know I'm pissed but please stop. How can you write that without a
> > > smiley?
> >
> > I'm sorry that the existance of some who appreciates
> > Windows pisses you off.
> >
> > But really, it's a very good product.
> >
> > It *is* better than GEM or DOS or Unix or OS/2
> > or the MacOS... for the desktop app market, if
> > nothing else.
> >
>
> Nah!
Blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving us
worthy evidence of the fact.
--George Eliot (1819-1880)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:11:01 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 06 May 2001
> >"Roy Culley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [...]
> >I'm sorry that the existance of some who appreciates
> >Windows pisses you off.
>
> You are happy your trolling is frustrating him, because you are an
> immature child. The rest of your position and statements are just
> posturing.
The attempt to silence a man is the greatest honor you can bestow on him.
It means that you recognize his superiority to yourself.
--Joseph Sobran
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:12:57 +0200
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:x0qJ6.4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9d4a9e$dlo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:XIeJ6.7026$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> >
> > > > Define "like other DOS programs".
> > >
> > > Programs that use DOS services to do their
> > > thing. You know, programs written to *DOS's*
> > > API.
> >
> > DOS didn't have API.
>
> The int 21h calls were an "API" of sorts, I guess.
>
> You have to squint just right to see it that way though...
Yeah, sort of like seeing black light.
Bend your head toward the nearest wall, and start running as fast as you
can.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:14:57 +0200
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > On Sun, 6 May 2001 23:05:43 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > FILE *fp = fopen("LPT1","wt");
> > > > if (!fp){
> > > > printf("failure opening printer port");
> > > > return 1;
> > > > }
> > > > fprintf(fp,"Here I'm printing text using fprintf() on windows\n");
> > > > fclose(fp);
> > >
> > > Won't work if the printer is Postscript and does not auto-detect plain
> > > ASCII.
> >
> > How do you handle those printers in Linux? Output PS?
> > I'm interested, not attacking.
> >
> > > > Install a PS printer driver, print to file, done deal.
> > > > And *I*, as the developer, don't need to know anything about PS to
do
> > it,
> > > > too. It will create a perfectly legal PS file, too.
> > >
> > > No, instead you have to know about GDI and printer setup dialogs. The
> > > real advantage (and it is a significant one) is that you can use
nearly
> > > the same code for display. Not _exactly_ the same in most cases, as
> > > screens don't have pages or headers or any of that, but mostly.
> >
> > Yes, that is part of my point, that it's easier to add printing to an
> > application. This make it harder to create printing support.
> > And the *usual* case of printing is printing to a printer.
> > Besice, *I*, as the developer, can know nothing about PS, and *you*, as
the
> > user, can still output his printing in PS.
> >
>
> Why is it harder? Output Postscript. If you have a postscript printer,
> fine. If not, Ghostscrip will translate. As for ascii, all I know is the
> printtool ascii tests (print asii to printer, and print ascii to port)
> work fine with my Epson 740.
Because you've to write code for printers and code for displaying.
Again, this is a developer issue, not a user issue.
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