Linux-Advocacy Digest #354, Volume #34 Wed, 9 May 01 06:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windos is *unfriendly* ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) ("Edward
Rosten")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (robert bronsing)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (robert bronsing)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (robert bronsing)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (robert bronsing)
Re: What is 99 percent of copyright law? was Re: Richard Stallman (Marada C.
Shradrakaii)
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Paul Repacholi)
Re: Linux still not ready for home use. ("Osugi Sakae")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: Linux disgusts me ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) ("Edward
Rosten")
Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft "feature" ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux still not ready for home use. ("Brian Craft")
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windos is *unfriendly*
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:26:16 +0100
>> Well, since you ignored everything correct I said about printers under
>> linux, it's safe to assume you did the same with initialsation.
>
> And you likewise ignored everything correct I said...
No, I didn't, because you spouted pretty much nothing but gibberish until
the end where you gained a little more of a clue.
Oh, by the way, it is not Linux's fault like you claimed.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:31:41 +0100
In article <3af8da43$0$41614$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jan Johanson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9d6ud3$n4i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> WSH is just one step below programming, if at all. But people call
>> >> what perl does scripting. Oh, well.
>> >
>> > Actually - WSH IS programming. You can write more than just simple
>> > command line scripts in WSH.
>>
>> Yep, Windows is beginning to approach the functionality UNIX had 20
>> years ago or more.
>
> Even if we accept your lame comment - so?
> How does what you say in any
> way make it a bad thing?
It's not, but you you buy a product that was just catching up with 20 year
old competitors?
> OK, so now it does something that unix did 20
> years ago - ok, great. Windows does even more - this is bad?
Does it hell. It does a whole lot less, using up many more resources.
> ahahah, I
> think you so totally underestimate Windows that it will simply just
> glide right on past you typing away at your little green screen CLI.
I've used windows a lot. I switched because I found UNIX uch, much
better. I used windows a all the time before I switched. I still have to
use it once in a while and UNIX still gives me much, much more. At the
rate its going, it always will.
One thing windows needs really badly is a decent terminal emulator and a
window manager with sloppyfocus. Oh, BTW, I can't do these registry hacks
yo all keep talking about on a public workstation.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:34:03 +0100
> Rather, intimate understanding of postscript is not necessary at all, as
> long as you are willing to get a library to do it for you.
>
> For example, Qt's QPainter generates postscript. X's Xprt generates
> postscript. there are dozen other ways to create postscript output
> without knowing anything about postscript.
But you need to know how to use Xprt or Qt to use either of these, and
they're non portable. I'm referring to portable command line apps that do
_NO_ GUI stuff at any stage. I do the majority of my printing from these
as it happens.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:35:01 +0100
>> I don't think so. I thought you needed GDI calls.
>
> Only if you want to use the GDI's layout. You can send data out the
> prn: device all you want.
But you can't do device independent graphics like that under Windows.
that is the method of doing them under Linux.
-ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:36:17 +0100
>> I'm not familiar with this object. Could you provide some pointers (I'm
>> genuinely curious).
>
> Basically, you are taking advantage of NTFS5 (avialable in NT4 with SP4,
> I think). You get a Reparse (can't really recall the name) point on
> %SYSTEM%\PS2PRN which mean that when a program tries to access this
> file,
> NTFS will invoke a program (a function? can't recall how they call it),
> which will handle the request, it's possible, I guess, to build PS
> interepter that would print to printer this way.
Do you print to this device as if it were a file or as if it were a
printer?
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: robert bronsing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:35:31 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> robert bronsing wrote:
> >
> > The majority of AIDS patients and HIV positive people in the world are
> > heterosexuals.
>
> Then how come, if someone asks "what the hell did you do to get this
> deadly, but very UN-contagious disease", they are accused of being
> anti-homosexual?
Well, that's because the great united states of america started by
calling AIDS 'Gay Cancer' (if you remember the eigthies, and how mr
Reagan was so open about this disease).
The reason is that the first AIDS patients in America were San Fransisco
gays. It got this air of homosexuality about it and conservatives (you
may know them) made it into a 'gay disease'.
It is not. Viruses don't discriminate. They take what ever host they can
get. The virus was introduced in a community that back then had quite
loose sexual morals, which allowed the virus to spread. If you have
unprotected sex with many different women (or men) you stand a good
chance of contracting HIV. Has nothing to do with homosexuality.
You can be disgusted with homo's all you want, I don't really care. But
this type of weird believes about AIDS can be dangerous.
>
> If AIDS != homosexuality
> then why is less than enthusiastic support for AIDS groups = anti-homosexuality?
>
> Hmmmmmmmmm?
I don't know, and it's also not what I encounter in everyday life.
Hence, I think you're lying or you're uninformed about this disease.
Makes me wonder what else you're not so well informed on...
>
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Ray Fischer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >You write like someone who was abused as a child.
> > > >
> > > > You write like someone who's lost an argument and doesn't have the
> > > > good grace to concede nor the brains to withdraw.
> > >
> > > lost what argument?
> > >
> > > that guy guys spreading AIDS is a good idea?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
> > >
> > > --
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
Robert Bronsing
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From: robert bronsing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:36:40 +0200
Sure I did, just like to be pickey about words.... ;-)
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > 'Can't get a shag' means you're actively seeking said shag. That's not
> > being homosexual and not doing anything about it. Being homosexual and
> > not doing anything (sexual) about it means liking (and loving) other men
> > (or women, if applicable) without engaging in sexual activity.
>
> Mabey I used a bad example, but you seemed to get what I meant.
>
> -Ed
>
>
> > Edward Rosten wrote:
> >>
> >> > Isn't being 'homosexual' without doing the act called being a
> >> > homophile?
> >>
> >> No. If you're hetrosexual and can't get a shag, you're not a
> >> hetrophile, you're still hetrosexual. The sme logic applies.
> >>
> >> -ed
> >>
> >>
> >> > Edward Rosten wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > By the same token, merely having homosexual attractions does NOT
> >> >> > make homosexuality...
> >> >>
> >> >> I'll quote Ritchard Ritchard (from `Bottom' here)
> >> >>
> >> >> I _AM_ hetrosexual. Well, I'm hetrosexual with intent.
> >> >>
> >> >> ie, you can be homosexual without doing anything about it.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Ed
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
> >> >>
> >> >> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
> >>
> >> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
> >
> >
>
> --
> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
>
> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
--
Robert Bronsing
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:42:12 +0100
>> >> How can you print device independent graphics in Windows without
>> >> doing the whole GDI thing to a command line program?
>> >
>> > You seem to be asking us how you would use the Windows device
>> > independant printing software without using the Windows device
>> > independant printing software.
>> >
>> > This seems like a silly question.
>> >
>> > How do you do device independant graphics printing on Linunx, if you
>> > aren't allowed to install GhostScript?
>>
>> No, not really. Under the UNIX method, you can generate your files on a
>> CRAY, and then ftp them over to a computer with a printer to print
>> them. You can't do this under the windows system.
>
> Yes you can, install PS printer driver, write to file, FTP it to
> someone.
That's not the point: if you FTP a PS file to anothe Linux user, they'll
almost definitely be able to print it.
There is no way of doing this under windows, since windows does not give
access to the intermediate file.
This is actually a problem I encountered when I was using some windows
machines on different segments of the same network, so they did not have
access to the other segments printers, and I wasn't admin on them, so I
couldn't install software.
The method you mentioned is useful for getting Word pictures in to LaTeX,
though :-)
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:44:35 +0100
>> No, not really. Under the UNIX method, you can generate your files on a
>> CRAY, and then ftp them over to a computer with a printer to print
>> them. You can't do this under the windows system.
>
> Windows does support network printers, actually. What you seem to want
> to do with ftp is a little awkward in Windows.
I know that, but in the real world, the computer you're on may have no
access to the printer yo want to use.
> But I don't see why you have asked to be told how Windows console apps
> print *without GDI*. Why is this interesting to you?
Because you can't extract a device independent file format through the use
of GDI calls, which is unfortunate since there is a suitable one in
existewnce (Windows metafile).
>> > BTW, are you under the impression that GDI is as painful to use as,
>> > say, raw XLib? I'd suggest that printing using GDI for a console
>> > application really isn't particularly *hard*.
>>
>> No, but it allows for no off-line stuff. Also, raw XLIB isn't that
>> hard.
>
> Then I don't quite see why we must eschew the GDI. :/
Pain in the neck for things that don't need to use it.
> [snip]
>> >> Not true. If all the graphics are off-line (ie printed only) then
>> >> you ca write programs in standard C and standard PS and they will
>> >> anywhere that has a PS interpreter and a standards conformant C
>> >> compiler.
>> >
>> > I'd say that calling that "portable" is a stretch, though.
>>
>> It is as portable as you can get with graphics.
>
> Which is to say, not very.
As good as it gets, though
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: robert bronsing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:52:33 +0200
Hmmmm....yes, but puking into your kids' mouth doesn't constitute being
a mammal. Unless of course they puke using some beak based mammary
gland...
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > Being warm blooded is not the thing that makes a mammal, having mammae
> > is what makes the mammal. Birds do not nurse their young, mammals do
>
> Yes they do. Hatchlings are fed by their parent(s).
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
>
> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
--
Robert Bronsing
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From: robert bronsing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:54:24 +0200
I looked up the word 'Zogen' from my language and the dictionary
(granted, an app here at work, far from complete) came up with 'suckle'
and 'nurse'. I picked 'nurse' believing it to mean the same as in Dutch.
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> > Being warm blooded is not the thing that makes a mammal, having
> >> > mammae is what makes the mammal. Birds do not nurse their young,
> >> > mammals do
> >>
> >> Yes they do. Hatchlings are fed by their parent(s).
> >
> > Not with breast milk.
>
> So? the other guy said "birds do not nurse their young". This is false.
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
>
> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
--
Robert Bronsing
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Date: 09 May 2001 09:08:12 GMT
Subject: Re: What is 99 percent of copyright law? was Re: Richard Stallman
>> Read it. This exception applies "unless that component (the libc)
>> itself accompanies the executable (GNOME)"
To play devil's advocate, you have to ask: What does "accompany" mean.
Accompany could mean "on the same disc", or "in the same tarball or
equivalent", or "included in the same software bundle with the machine"
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:13:59 GMT
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Johan Kullstam wrote:
> > >
> > [snip]
> > >
> > > one *huge* weakness of pascal is that it interprets vectors and arrays
> > > of different sizes as wholy different types. thus if you make a
> > > procedure to handle strings of lenght 10, you need another, distinct,
> > > procedure to handle strings of length 11.
> > >
> > You don't need any such thing, because strings are
> > dynamically allocated and handled differently,
>
> not really. iirc a string is a just a packed array of character.
> packing it doesn't change how it works. there is _no_ dynamism in
> pascal without going through the "new" allocator.
>
[snip]
I'm afraid the discussion is becoming pointless. You're
speaking of archaic Pascal, I'm speaking of Borland's Object
Pascal, such as used in Delphi and Kylix. Like discussing
the merits of C having in mind the pre-ANSI C on one side,
and C++ on the other side. What you say makes sense in your
frame, what I say makes sense in mine.
[snipped the rest because of the above]
--
Giuliano Colla
Before activating the tongue, make sure that the brain is
connected (anonymous)
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Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
From: Paul Repacholi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 09 May 2001 17:26:10 +0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Glenn C. Everhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > DECnet has been an open protocol from its inception; specs were
> > published and the idea behind it was to provide an open, peer to
> > peer, network as an alternative to SNA. That there was no free
> > reference implementation is unfortunate but does not make the
> > protocol proprietary.
> Did anyone but DEC have input to the protocol design? Was there any
> kind of public feedback mechanism guiding it? Or was it DEC's ball
> all the way?
DECnet PhI was a follow-up to CSIROnet, and the experience from that
went into day 0 of DECnet. The bi-annual trial by fire aka DECUS
ensured lots of feedback :)
Bits went to ANSI or IEEE at various stages for formal standard
tracking, but I can't think of any that got all the way through.
--
Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd.,
+61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda.
West Australia 6076
Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.
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From: "Osugi Sakae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux still not ready for home use.
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 18:55:55 +0900
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <9daq5c$9bs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chaparral"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We can all say what we want about how Windows sucks and that Linux is
> the end-all-be-all, but after trying almost every Linux version to date,
> the bottom line folks is that Mr Gates has made operating a home
> computer easy enough for my great uncle to run. The Penguin still
> doesnt come close!
Who is your great-uncle and why do we care?
For example, which distros have you tried and where did you think they
were lacking? I use Mandrake 7.2 and it works a hell of a lot better than
the windows machine I am required to use at work. I also thought it
installed more easily than any version of windows I have ever installed
(starting with 3.1 and going right up to 98se - never touched win2k or
winme).
Reasons that I think Linux in the form of Mandrake 7.2 is better than
win98:
1. almost all the day-2-day apps i want / need are provided. No
need to search the net for them or go spend money for them. this
software includes:
icq / irc / etc clients
mail and news clients
a selection of window managers (i prefer window maker, but use several
kde and gnome programs)
da gimp (which rocks, and does everything i need and much more)
mp3 players (several)
text editors - once you use latex, there is no going back to office type
stuff
but for people who like office type stuff, that is available as well
(abiword, gnumeric, etc)
gnu privacy guard (gpg)
compression utilites
perl (for those cool scripts you find on the net)
firewall (or at least something very similar)
etc.
2. stability
3. decent logging - helps give piece of mind that my cable modem has led
the crackers into my box. Also good for tracking down the occasional
problem (but i haven't needed it for that)
the list goes on, but i have to go to dinner.
> What Linux is VERY good at is the handling of servers... this is stuff
> that you are expected to fiddle with and fine tune. Home users don't
> want to fart around all day trying to figure out what to click and then
> having barely predictable responses.
>
> So, Linux sucks hard for the home user but [snip]
why does linux suck?
> Im done now.
what do you mean done? you only just started. You have make a claim (that
linux is not suited for use on home computers) but have not provided any
details at all to support your claim. Until you do, do not expect anyone
to accept it as a valid conclusion. So, please back up your words with
some more words. I personally am always ready to hear about areas where
"typical" users are having difficulty with linux.
--
Osugi Sakae
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 05:59:50 -0400
Steve Sheldon wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Steve Sheldon wrote:
> > >
> > > Macintosh also benefits in that they have a locked in market.
> > >
> > > The only people who buy Macs are people who are upgrading. They don't
> have
> > > to win these people over because they are locked into this upgrade cycle
> by
> > > their own fanaticism.
> >
> > YOu may now explain why so many people that buy iMacs are first time
> > computer buyers.
>
> Not sure why I would have to do that considering most iMac buyers are not.
Because you said "The only people who buy Macs are people who are
upgrading. They don't have to win these people over because they are
locked into this upgrade cycle by their own fanaticism."
You are clearly wrong. So, you may now explain why so many people that
buy iMacs are first time computer buyers.
--
Rick
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux disgusts me
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:58:59 +0100
>> I haven't got antialiased fonts, and I have to say that I don't miss
>> them a bit.
>> -Ed
>
> Why? They seem to make all the difference with webpages.
That's my point: they make precious little difference.
Besides for most of my work, I used fixed width (X's fixed width fonts
are secont to _NONE_), fixed size fonts, which don't need to be
antialiased.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:02:59 +0100
> What you need to understand is that no one gives a shit about "console"
> apps
What you don't understand is that not only are yo extremely wrong, you
are also extremely stupid.
Hope that helps.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft "feature"
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 05:03:48 -0500
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Said GreyCloud in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 07 May 2001 20:25:59
> > > [...]
> > > >Lets put it this way... if Eric used a 4-bit key and did everything
he
> > > >says he would do, NSA would have it deciphered in less than a minute.
> > >
> > > The NSA? Sure, 'less than a minute' is accurate, but 'a few
> > > milliseconds' is more precise.
> >
> > Sure. If you are so confident, i'll give you an encoded bit of data.
I'll
> > give you a week to figure out what it is. It uses a 1 bit key, and the
keys
> > value is 1.
> >
> > The encoded data is (just the one line, not including carriage return):
> >
> > 2jhGjyD<qYwDgilj0sohkVuAy.
> >
> > Hell, I'll even give you hints when you need them. Here's the first,
it's
> > plain text words, but the values are not in ASCII.
> >
> > So, show me how simple it is to crack. Hell, after a week, I'll even
tell
> > you what the clear text is, and let's see if you can figure out a way to
> > recreate a second encoded text that is encoded using the exact same
> > algorithm. I'll bet you can't.
>
> Who said "WE" had the equipment?? But I'll bet that NSA has already
> read this and has deciphered it. Doubt that they'll respond to it tho.
> I've seen them decipher messages out of a continuous data stream. There
> was no beginning of the message and no apparent end of the message. But
> they did it anyway. One of the Doctors could actually look at the data
> encrypted stream and could see where the message started and ended. I
> couldn't see if my life depended on it.
Yeah, right. Now you expect us to believe that you have watched NSA
researchers cracking mysterious "continuous data streams". Had you actually
seen this, you wouldn't be able to talk about it.
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From: "Brian Craft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux still not ready for home use.
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:07:24 GMT
In article <9daq5c$9bs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chaparral"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We can all say what we want about how Windows sucks and that Linux is
> the end-all-be-all, but after trying almost every Linux version to date,
> the bottom line folks is that Mr Gates has made operating a home
> computer easy enough for my great uncle to run. The Penguin still
> doesnt come close!
>
> What Linux is VERY good at is the handling of servers... this is stuff
> that you are expected to fiddle with and fine tune. Home users don't
> want to fart around all day trying to figure out what to click and then
> having barely predictable responses.
>
> So, Linux sucks hard for the home user but beats the hell out of
> WinBlows on the server farm... especially when you can tell a client
> that full-blown server software will only cost him $75 compared to $2000
> plus for 2000Server!
>
> Microsoft will rule the home front for many years I think, but their
> exorbitant pricing and draconian licensing policies will soon cause the
> server market to dry up.
>
> Im done now.
>
>
Just by the way you wrote this posting, I'd have to say you don't have
much experience with Linux. Just take a look at Mandrake 8, RedHat 7.1,
SuSe 7.1, and you will see distributions that are able to function very
well as a desktop machine. Myself and many other people are
"Window-less" and we function very well.
I would challenge you to get Mandrake 8 and stay away from Windoze and
after a few months see how happy you can be.
Brian
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