Linux-Advocacy Digest #577, Volume #34 Thu, 17 May 01 20:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Matt Kennel)
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: ("Interconnect")
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st (Dave Martel)
Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st (Dave Martel)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: EXTRA EXTRA MS ADMITS!!!! (Michael Marion)
Re: Analysis of the Linux Report from MS ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Oracle 8.1.6 on Solaris or Linux? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Michael Marion)
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: (Michael Marion)
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: (Michael Marion)
Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud)
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: (Michael Marion)
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:38:37 +1200
You more likely have issues, a person who takes every post so seriously,
then is personally offended when someone "takes you on" about an issue.
Maybe you have some issues that need to be discussed.
Matthew Gardiner
"~�~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:0eVM6.343$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > >
> > > > The real problem here is that most users are complete morons. They
> never
> > > > understood DOS, Windows or Linux. Sure they seemed to achieve
> something
> > > > with Windows but when it went wrong, they didn't have a clue and, as
> > > > someone who worked on a help desk for some years, I got sick and
tired
> > > > of dealing with these cretins who shouldn't have been allowed
anywhere
> > > > near a PC.
> > > > Like women drivers who don't know how to change a wheel, the
> technology
> > > > is beyond them and they should leave it to the big boys who really
> > > > understand it. Sorry guys - you are too stupid to have a computer.
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > >
> > > > Doesn't the above just summarise the problem with the populous.
> > >
> > > Doesn't the above summarise your problems? Your bias? Your sexism?
> >
> > Nope, it shows the end user is, by default, a complete and utter moron
> beyond
> > belief. One only needs to go into a super market, and see the number of
> > people who put their eggs and bread first on the conveyer belt at the
> > checkout. The number of users who want to get a P4 because it has a
> "bigger
> > number than PIII". Or, because Bill Gates says its good, obviously he's
> > right. Better still, users, who buy crap machines from Compaq, IBM and
> HP,
> > then one year down the track they want to upgrade something, say the
> graphics
> > card because they heard from a friend that their game will run better,
and
> > get told by their local computer shop that they can't upgrade.
> >
> > It is about time the end user got out of this ignorance. These are the
> exact
> > same people who protest against globalisation and Free Tebet, they know
> > diddly squat about, but because some communist, aka, trade unionist
rants
> on
> > the news about things, because it would mean the end of their pampered
> union
> > lifestyle, and whats worse, they, the ignorant public, believe them!
> >
> > It is about time people started reading books and started educating
> > themselves instead of sitting in front of a televison for 4 hours each
> night
> > watch Septic Tank crap like "Roswell" and "Mad about you". The
politicians
> > know that, and play on peoples ignorance. Its quite funny seeing people
> run
> > on policies that the educated 10% known won't work, whilst the 90% sit
in
> an
> > ignorant slumber.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> You really do have some very serious issues. You do realize that I hope.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Kennel)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:38:45 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: mbkennel@<REMOVE THE BAD DOMAIN>yahoo.spam-B-gone.com
On Thu, 17 May 2001 18:21:23 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> And where do you suppose the men gets AIDS?
:>
:> From women.
:
:Bzzzzzzzt! Wrong.
:There is no transport mechanism for any such infection to happen.
:
:
:Try again, idiot.
how do men get syphilis?
--
* Matthew B. Kennel/Institute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
*
* "To chill, or to pop a cap in my dome, whoomp! there it is."
* Hamlet, Fresh Prince of Denmark.
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From: "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:57:33 +1000
~�~ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:agVM6.344$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > No, it's another example of the kind of contempt for end-users that
will
> > > keep Linux from making a dent in the desktop market.
> > >
> > > Christ. Talk about own worst enemy.
> >
> > What is keeping Linux off the desktop is ignorance and arrogance rolled
up
> > into a little ball called, "Linux is too hard!" + "Why should I learn
how
> > to use it?". You hear users bitch and moan, but when a replacement comes
> > along, they make excuses, even though all they do it write a letter to
> Aunt
> > Dolly and email some crap to work. Something Linux is more than capable
> of
> > doing.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
>
> Nice try. It doesn't excuse what you wrote in any sense. I've been calling
> you on your "advocacy" for weeks, but grew weary of it. Glad to see you
> proved yourself today.
> Like my Daddy used to say "give an idiot driven by ego enough rope, and
soon
> enough ..."
>
*cough* Many end users are lazy. This attitude leaves them without the
skills to perform BASIC tasks making them appear Stupid. ( REM: A moron is a
feeble minded person )
BTW this also translates DIRECTLY to the Windows community, there are
multitudes of ignorant Windows users out there. People are ignorant by
CHOICE!
If you've ever done help desk type work, you can easily spot the difference
between someone who has made a modocum of effort to understand their
environment, compared to the TV cabbages that whine about how *unreliable*
computers are.
I mean if your using a computer for day to day work and call up a Help Desk
you should at least know the following terms, i.e. have a *general*
understanding of what they mean when someone talks to you about them. E.g.
is your operating system Win98 or 95? Is your computer networked? Is the
modem internal or external?
Operating System
Desk Top
Application
Icon
Network
Modem
Screen Resolution
Give a man a fish you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish...
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:47:24 +1200
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9e1bcb$fqa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Nope, it shows the end user is, by default, a complete and utter moron
> > beyond belief.
>
> Agreed. Case in point:
>
> ______________________
> |____________________|
> | Press OK to |
> | continue |
> | ______ |
> | | OK | |
> | ------ |
> |____________________|
>
> Uhhhh... What to I do here?
>
> Um. You press OK.
>
> WOW! How did you know that?
>
> Anyone had that happen before?
I've had worse.
>
> > One only needs to go into a super market, and see the number of people
> > who put their eggs and bread first on the conveyer belt at the checkout.
> > The number of users who want to get a P4 because it has a "bigger
> > number than PIII".
>
> Uh. That G4 PowerMac is so slow. It only goes at 733Mhz. I'll by the much
> faster 1GHz Celery instead.
Nope, better yet, "that Cray super computer running at only 250Mhz is slower
than my Pentium III 1Ghz", no THATS ignorance in action.
>
>
> > Or, because Bill Gates says its good, obviously he's right. Better
> > still, users, who buy crap machines from Compaq, IBM and HP, then one
> > year down the track they want to upgrade
>
> Do IBM make crap PCs? Most of their hardware is top notch.
Not until you start explaining to the person why they can't upgrade
component x because everything is integrate into the mother board. For
example, the latest HP's include no AGP slot, AT ALL! so, when you do
purchase one (computer), you are screwed right from day one.
>
>
> > It is about time the end user got out of this ignorance. These are the
> > exact same people who protest against globalisation and Free Tebet, they
>
> Not entirely sure I agree with you here, there are arguments for and
> against.
Yes, but the people who typically protest againsts are western, psuedo
intellectuals who wouldn't know anything about Asian culture, even if it
came into room, with a top hat and introduced itself.
>
>
> > It is about time people started reading books and started educating
> > themselves instead of sitting in front of a televison for 4 hours each
> <rant type="off topic, tangential" >
> But books don't have moving pictures. They make you use your brain. it's
> loke all the anti-intellectual crap. If you claimed to be ignorant of
> current affairs, peole would think you're stupid. If you claim you don't
> know anything about computers/science, people not only think its OK, but
> they seem to think its better than knowing something.
>
> I don't know about other europeans here, but this is one reason I respect
> the French: they (unlike us) see famous scientists as a good thing. Hell,
> their names are plastered round the edge of one of the biggest tourist
> attractions.
Aka, in society ignorance is bliss. Maybe its best that society is ignorant,
then maybe I too can produce a shit house piece of software like Microsoft,
then sell it under the banner, "new and improved".
>
> </rant>
>
>
> > night watch Septic Tank crap like "Roswell" and "Mad about you". The
> > politicians know that, and play on peoples ignorance. Its quite funny
> > seeing people run on policies that the educated 10% known won't work,
> > whilst the 90% sit in an ignorant slumber.
>
> As much as 10%?
Look how many people voted labour/Alliance/New Zealand and Green's in New
Zealand, then you will see the reason why.
Matthew Gardienr
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:01:46 -0600
On Thu, 17 May 2001 16:06:28 -0500, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Not to call you a liar, but I have _never_ met anyone who managed to keep
>> Win 9x running for more than a working week (i.e.: five days) in a normal
>> office or home environment (*). Most people call themselves lucky if they
>> get through the day without a three-finger salute to their grey box.
>
>Most people are always screwing with their systems. Once you have a
>working, stable system, don't fuck with it by installing the latest driver
>or whatever. it'll stay up a lot longer than you think.
Personally I prefer an OS where I don't have to be afraid of
installing new applications.
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:02:44 -0600
On Thu, 17 May 2001 15:58:30 -0500, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I'm kinda in the same boat. I use Win98 currently, and on my home
>> > computer I do have it running pretty stable. I have actually gone
>> > months without rebooting. AT work though, with software my boss makes
>> > me use (like Norton crap) it crashes every other day.
>> >
>>
>> When you write "months without rebooting", does that mean that your
>Windows
>> 98 pc stays powered on continuously, or do you occasionally shut it down
>> voluntarily? And if so, how often do you perform these "maintainance
>> reboots"?
>
>I have a 98SE machine that runs 24/7, and I typically reboot or crash about
>once every 3 months. Not a stellar performance by any measure, but
>certainly better than you people seem to suggest. It's used extensively by
>my girlfriend to play games and surf the net, listen to MP3's, etc..
Eric's nose just got a little bit longer. :o)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:17:03 -0400
Matt Kennel wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 May 2001 18:21:23 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> And where do you suppose the men gets AIDS?
> :>
> :> From women.
> :
> :Bzzzzzzzt! Wrong.
> :There is no transport mechanism for any such infection to happen.
> :
> :
> :Try again, idiot.
>
> how do men get syphilis?
Syphillis is a bacteria, which is able to move on it's own, and also
has the ability to stick to things.
AIDS is caused by a virus, which has no inherent motility.
>
> --
> * Matthew B. Kennel/Institute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
> *
> * "To chill, or to pop a cap in my dome, whoomp! there it is."
> * Hamlet, Fresh Prince of Denmark.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: EXTRA EXTRA MS ADMITS!!!!
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:19:26 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> And he's still wrong. The HP-9000 is still running under PA-RISC, not IA64.
Yep, you're right. HP will be moving toward IA-64 when it's out though.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
"Because right now, developing software for Microsoft is like brushing the
teeth of a Great White Shark with a piece of raw steak." - Robert G. Brown,
Linux Today; Nov 13th, 1998
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Analysis of the Linux Report from MS
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:21:01 +0100
>> I have no idea why this is not done more often.
>
> *Shrug* never underestimate the stupidity of human being ;-)
> Windows has RG_SZ_EXPAND, which does the same work.
That is one of my gripes with RPM (and some of the programs repackaged)
is that they can't be installed in an arbitrary place (well, most can't).
It is annoying when your /usr partition fills up.
>> I don't believe there is any completely portable way of doing OS
>> dependent stuff between such vastly differing OSs short of using Java
>> or a really cool toolkit.
>
> Sure there is. Memory management and file I/O are done like this all the
> time. And they are just as different.
Can't you use malloc/free and stdio?
> You just need to standartise on
> some libraries. GUI is the real killer, I admit. But it shouldn't be
> too
Even if there was a toolkit which worked on the Mac, windows and UNIX,
there would still be design issues due to mice having less than the one
true number of buttons (3).
> hard to write cross platform API for networking. The problem with
> threading is that you *need* to know what the threading model that is
> used is, otherwise you can run into serious bad stuff.
True, although cygwin must make UNIX/Windows portability much easier (but
I don't know how much it costs commercially).
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:24:46 +0100
> Windows comes with WSH, which come with VBS & JS support. You can add
> Perl & Python from activestate.com (free). C#, VB.NET comes with .NET
> beta, and there are also other languages that you can hook there, I
> believe.
Sounds better than it was, though with UNIX, you can use an arbitrary
executable as the interpreter.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oracle 8.1.6 on Solaris or Linux?
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:26:27 +0100
> I've only got him in the dungeon for a month; maybe his manners will
> improve. If not, he gets a permanent pass to /dev/null.
the old sin bin method :-)
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:32:00 GMT
Quantum Leaper wrote:
> Amazon didn't turn a profit last year, because they expanded into Europe
> and other places, also expanding past their core businesses, DVDs, Tapes,
> CDs and Books hurt Amazon quite abit. I know Amazon and others ship around
> the world, I have ordered from Amazon.uk in the past. The problems is
> DVDs and Video don't work world wide, unless your DVD player is mod'ed or
> Video tapes don't paly unless your TV can play NTSC and/or Pal, CDs and
> Books they will ship world wide.
Just as a side note since you mentioned amazon and their business:
I think their service has gone down the toilet big time over the last year.
Just recently I ordered 3 books that were all listed as "Usually ships in 2-3
days." After a week (!) they finally sent a mail saying 2 books were hard to
find and that they needed to know if I wanted to wait for them (I'd chosen to
ship all 3 together). I cancelled the order, went to barnsandnoble.com,
ordered the same 3 books, and had them in 2 days. Now _that's_ service!
The books totalled about $3 more at bn.com, but I'll take actually getting
what I want over a few $ anyday. :)
I've had issues with almost every order I've placed at amazon too, whether
it's delays in getting items, or splitting an order into multiple boxes,
shipping over multiple days, and charging me... when I said to wait for all
the items... they do something wrong every time.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
Thurgood: "Well you see Walter, breaking up with a girl is like pulling off a
bandaid... You got to do it quick! Sounds like you did it slow and picked up
the scab afterwards!" -- The PJ's
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:35:55 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
> Uh. That G4 PowerMac is so slow. It only goes at 733Mhz. I'll by the much
> faster 1GHz Celery instead.
What's scary is when you hear that (constantly) from electrical engineers...
Also comparing a 1+GHz P4 in a POS box with IDE disks and SDRAM to high end
Suns and/or HPs that have backplane speeds to their RAM at much higher rates,
FCAL disks, etc... sad really.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged
demo. -Fortune of the Day.
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:42:19 GMT
Interconnect wrote:
> *cough* Many end users are lazy. This attitude leaves them without the
> skills to perform BASIC tasks making them appear Stupid. ( REM: A moron is a
> feeble minded person )
Agreed. Adding to your post about people buying Compaq (and other) boxes..
why is it people will research things like cars, TVs, etc a ton before
buying... will talk with friends, talk with people "in the know", etc... but
will walk into your local electronics store and buy the computer the minimum
wage earning salesdroid tells them to? I've never been able to figure that
out.
> If you've ever done help desk type work, you can easily spot the difference
> between someone who has made a modocum of effort to understand their
> environment, compared to the TV cabbages that whine about how *unreliable*
> computers are.
I love talking to relatives and/or friends about computers, and after hearing
their complaints, telling them how long my PC stays up running Linux. Usually
jaws hit the floor. Due to the incredible crap that MS has loosed on the
market, people have come to take crashes and/or reboots as normal computer
operation when they aren't!
Then when I mention our Suns at work and how robust they are... :)
> I mean if your using a computer for day to day work and call up a Help Desk
> you should at least know the following terms, i.e. have a *general*
> understanding of what they mean when someone talks to you about them. E.g.
> is your operating system Win98 or 95? Is your computer networked? Is the
> modem internal or external?
What's really scary are the numbers of people out there working at jobs that
require computer skills, but that can't type, and haven't a clue about the
computer, or the apps they're supposed to rely on.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
It took the power of 3 Commodore 64's to go to the moon, but it takes a
486 to run Windows... Something is desperately wrong here. - Stolen from /.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:44:22 GMT
>Not to call you a liar, but I have _never_ met anyone who managed to keep
>Win 9x running for more than a working week (i.e.: five days) in a normal
>office or home environment (*). Most people call themselves lucky if they
>get through the day without a three-finger salute to their grey box.
Sorry to disappoint, but I'm very careful with my box. At work, it
took me a month to get it cleaned up and running right. But when my
boss made me put back the norton crap, I just couldn't keep that
program from crashing. Also, every time another employee touches my
machine at work, something really bad happens. At home though, I have
more control.
If you know what you're doing, and you're familiar enough with the
reasons why windows keeps crashing, you can keep it running for a
while. Alot of times it's the apps that crash the system because om
memory address errors in their programing. (My buddy was explaining it
to men, I don't really know how to explain it well.)
It just sucks that you have to be diligent about it.
________________________________________________________
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:43:49 -0700
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > > It's because the software they want to run, runs on
> > > Windows. Only.
> > >
> > > Except for MS Office, which runs on Macs too. But
> > > that's not enough by itself, as I'm sure you realize.
> >
> > For some people this is true... for a lot of newbies, they only know
> > what is in front of them in the retail outlets. Even here there are no
> > Macs unless you go to Seattle.
>
> Well, I dunno. Macs aren't *that* invisible. More retailers
> do sell PCs, because they know that users who *do* have
> a clue will usually prefer them (or rather the applications
> that run on them); those that do not won't know the
> difference.
>
> It's perfectly sensible.
>
> > The newbies first response is "How do I use this now that I have it?"...
> > And then later its "That's neat, I didn't know spreadsheets could do
> > that",.. or "That's neat, I didn't know Word could do that." For me a
> > long while back, it was get the best I could afford and put the closest
> > VAX fortran like compiler on it along with a good C compiler.
> > Everyone has their druthers.
>
> Well, yes. Desktop users aren't the whole world.
>
> > > MS Windows won the hearts and minds of the
> > > developers of desktop applications.
> >
> > That of course is your opinion. It never won my heart over before I
> > retired.
>
> When did you retire? There was a time when Windows
> was ususable crap. Developers did not switch until it
> improved quite a lot from its beginnings.
>
Around 1993.
> I do know there are exceptions, but nearly all desktop
> app development is done on Windows these days,
> and it isn't because developers are idiots who can't
> see what's so plainly obvious to T Max Devlin. :D
For those that want fortran the best is now from Compaq to run on an
Intel platform.
Or if its a VAX or Alpha then its VAX Fortran. C from MS was good back
then because it was certified by NISTL. NISTL stopped doing C
certification Dec. 1998.
I like the VAX architecture because all of decs languages were uniform
and could easily be mixed together by the linker without any problems.
Then there were the system calls that worked well with any language as
well. DG-UX was another animal that some found useful. Never had time
with DG. Back in those days it was pretty much DEC, IBM, Prime, HP,
Sun, HoneyWell, and some others I may have forgot about. MS then was
pretty much relegated to small individual tasks. We did have one
exception that was pretty cost effective and that was Printed Circuit
manufacturing on a MAC.
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:45:01 GMT
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> Not until you start explaining to the person why they can't upgrade
> component x because everything is integrate into the mother board. For
> example, the latest HP's include no AGP slot, AT ALL! so, when you do
> purchase one (computer), you are screwed right from day one.
That's one reason I love San Diego. You can't go a mile without passing at
least 2 small computer stores. We have such a huge number of them that you
can buy good PC parts all over town at great prices. I don't think I've
bought a pre-packaged computer since 1988.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
answering machine message : "hi. e-mail me."
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