Linux-Advocacy Digest #578, Volume #34 Thu, 17 May 01 21:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: Why did Eazel shutdown? (Anonymous)
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Ray Fischer)
Re: Win 9x is horrid ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Win 9x is horrid ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Win 9x is horrid ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why did Eazel shutdown? ("Matthew Gardiner")
Sea Change (Mike Martinet)
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:53:31 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> [snip]
> > > Not at all. Developers just keep on flocking to
> > > Microsoft's banner, when MS is the best solution.
> >
> > Do they? Or do developers "flock to m$ becasue it has a monoply?
>
> If they did Microsoft would not find Java threatening,
> but they do.
>
micro$oft (read Gates) finds EVERYTHING threatening. They (it?) is
paranoid. Well, maybe not. Ther ARE people out to get it (him?), but for
good reason.
> They are afraid they'll lose mindshare among developers;
> and they should be. Java has been making inroads,
> "monopoly" or not.
>
Inroads. Yeah. Uh-huh.
> > > Sure, they know that MS might try to buy them
> > > out if they are successful enough. They *like*
> > > that, it means MS drives up with a dump truck
> > > full of money.
> >
> > If m$ takes aim at a company, it will buy, lie, cheat steal, anything at
> > all to gain marketshare, as has been demonstrated (and ignored by you).
>
> The easy way is just to buy out the little beggars.
>
> And they do do that.
>
And if they cant "buy" them or get them to "license" their p[roducts to
m$ at a rediculous price, m$ kills them.
> > > They also know that if for some reason MS can't
> > > or won't do that, they can still compete with
> > > Microsoft and *win*. Others have; MS doesn't
> > > have black magic.
> >
> > No, they have an illegally gained and held marketshare.
>
> That's just your way of saying you don't like
> Microsoft.
DONT freaking tell me what I think. You dont have a damn clue.
> But it's still true that companies have
> been able to successfully compete with Microsoft
> in the past, even so.
>
Name 5.
> > > The anti-MS zealotry you see from developers is
> > > pretty much the exclusive province of the he open
> > > source community. That is still pretty small
> > > potatoes, all told.
> >
> > Tell that to Digital research, Go, Stack, Vobis, IBM, Lotus, etc, etc,
> > etc.
>
> You mean their *lawyers*, I think.
>
Damn. DONT tell me whjat I think. I said .."Tell that to Digital
research, Go, Stack, Vobis, IBM, Lotus, etc, etc," and thats what I
meant.
> Not developers.
>
> [snip]
here we go with the snips that will ultimately lose context again.
> > > I'll buy that. Nimbleness is very important when
> > > competing with Microsoft.
> >
> > What does nimblensess have to do with being stabbed in the back?
>
> Knife-fights don't involve a lot of stabbing the back,
> unless one participant is a whole lot slower and clumsier
> than the other.
>
> Which has been known to happen. But not much.
Tell that to Go Computing. Tehy were nimble. And micros$oft knofed them
in the back. Dame with Stac.
--
Rick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:53:16 GMT
>My poor friend, you don't need a better computer, you need a better OS.
>My Linux box (a P133/72M) can easily handel 8x writes from my CDRW and
>that's without a reboot before hand.
Well, that's why I'm preparing to get Linux together. I'm just one of
those people who has to get a better idea about something before he
changes. (I've just been reading everything I can find and asking
questions for now.)
Even with Linux, one of the apps I wanted was Sun's Star Office (so I
never needed MS office again) which claims a minimum requirement of a
233mHz processor. Are you able to run it on your machine? I might be
able to, but I"m worried it might be lagged too much.
And I think the main problem with my burner is it's parralel port. I
can only get 1x for burning audio CD's. Is your's parralel, scsi,
internal? And do you get 8x on audio CDs or just data CD's?
I'll tell you what, though. Never have I found people more willing to
help a newbie out then in the world of linux. I'm learning a lot.
________________________________________________________
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:58:40 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > > Well, I dunno. Macs aren't *that* invisible. More retailers
> > > do sell PCs, because they know that users who *do* have
> > > a clue will usually prefer them (or rather the applications
> > > that run on them);
> >
> > Thats total bullshit. People buy Windows machines because..."everyone
> > else has them"
>
> You are very sure of that. But I don't believe it;
Of cpourse not. You are the one that reads quotes from m$ execs and then
says... aw, that's not what they meant. You cant seem to see anything
but your point of view.
> I think the conventional wisdom still applies:
> it's the apps users care about.
>
And what do these apps run on? window$. By micro$oft - who stole the
marketplace.
> > > those that do not won't know the
> > > difference.
> >
> > Thats bullshit too.
>
> Oh?
>
> > > It's perfectly sensible.
> >
> > No, you are not.
>
> Well, I'm a wintroll. But the users buying
> Windows computers are being completely
> rational.
>
Yeah. They buy what everyone else has.
> [snip]
> > > I do know there are exceptions, but nearly all desktop
> > > app development is done on Windows these days,
> > > and it isn't because developers are idiots who can't
> > > see what's so plainly obvious to T Max Devlin. :D
> >
> > No, its because m$ stole the marketplace.
>
> Developers don't need to care much about
> that.
>
Well genius, why do you think there's not much app development going on
for Commodre 64/128, Apple II, Tandy Color Computer, Atari ST, etc?
Becasue no one buys the apps. Developers develop for the primary market
place. Which is micro$oft - who stole the market.
> Consider how long it took game developers
> to get with Microsoft's program. They stuck
> to DOS because they could make better games
> that way, and they knew perfectly well
> that the users would follow.
but they ... stuck... with ...micro$oft.
--
Rick
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:56:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Why did Eazel shutdown?
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> Unless you are doing something illegal, what have you got to hide? The
> only people who use annoymity are those who are not on the straight and
> narrow.
I disagree, exposing your identity
and email address not only generates
a lot of spam problems, but also
makes you a nice target for identity fraud.
Welcome to the Internet.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:03:02 +1200
"Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Not until you start explaining to the person why they can't upgrade
> > component x because everything is integrate into the mother board. For
> > example, the latest HP's include no AGP slot, AT ALL! so, when you do
> > purchase one (computer), you are screwed right from day one.
>
> That's one reason I love San Diego. You can't go a mile without passing
at
> least 2 small computer stores. We have such a huge number of them that
you
> can buy good PC parts all over town at great prices. I don't think I've
> bought a pre-packaged computer since 1988.
>
Have you also noticed how these small businesses treat each customer as an
individual, and are always willing to help someone out with a problem.
Something the likes of HP and Dell need to learn about customer support.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:04:14 +1200
"Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > Uh. That G4 PowerMac is so slow. It only goes at 733Mhz. I'll by the
much
> > faster 1GHz Celery instead.
>
> What's scary is when you hear that (constantly) from electrical
engineers...
> Also comparing a 1+GHz P4 in a POS box with IDE disks and SDRAM to high
end
> Suns and/or HPs that have backplane speeds to their RAM at much higher
rates,
> FCAL disks, etc... sad really.
Or the SGI O2 w/ a 2.1Gb memory bandwidth.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray Fischer)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:05:19 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>> And where do you suppose the men gets AIDS?
>>
>> From women.
>
>Bzzzzzzzt! Wrong.
>There is no transport mechanism for any such infection to happen.
Well, it seems that the United States Centers for Disease Control
believes otherwise.
But what do they know? The all-knowing homophobe Kulkis says
otherwise.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/faq/faq21.htm
Can I get HIV from having vaginal sex?
Yes, it is possible to become infected with HIV through vaginal
intercourse. In fact, it is the most common way the virus is
transmitted in much of the world. HIV can be found in the blood,
semen, pre-seminal fluid, or vaginal fluid of a person infected
with the virus. The lining of the vagina can tear and possibly
allow HIV to enter the body. Direct absorption of HIV through
the mucous membranes that line the vagina also is a possibility.
The male may be at less risk for HIV transmission than the female
through vaginal intercourse. However, HIV can enter the body of the
male through his urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis) or
through small cuts or open sores on the penis.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/faq/faq16.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/cause.htm
--
Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win 9x is horrid
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:13:02 -0400
Mart van de Wege wrote:
>
> In article <yyCM6.1126$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <XlAM6.1104$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> In article <WrlM6.1009$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > MS uses encrypted data so that activation can't be spoofed.
> >> >> > Otherwise, you could simply watch the data, and generate your own
> >> >> > "activation".
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >> Ok, from c't, issue #9 (23/4-6/5/2001), german edition:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Our attempt to use a man-in-the-middle attack to listen in on
> >> >> >> the HTTPS connection between Windows-XP and Clearing
> >> >> >> House...failed: not only does XP encrypt the data, but it
> >> >> >> receives new certificates used for further communication...
> >> >> >> Extremely questionable is why Microsoft would go to such lengths
> >> >> >> to simply exchange a few numbers, especially since the numbers
> >> >> >> are already tied to the PC hardware.
> >> >> >> ...The amount of data exchanged during activation leaves all
> >> >> >> possible options open in the light of the complexity of the
> >> >> >> process: It is possible that aside from the necessary
> >> >> >> data...other information is exchanged, it is also possible that
> >> >> >> the bloat in the data traffic is caused by the certificates
> >> >> >> alone. C't advises not to use the online activation until
> >> >> >> Microsoft makes the process more transparent. In the meantime
> >> >> >> you're better off using the telephone."
> >> >> Yes, Erik,
> >> >>
> >> >> But that wasn't the point. Read it again, *please*?
> >> >
> >> > I don't see how any other point can be derived from this.
> >> >
> >> > It's complaining because the data is encrypted, then wonders why MS
> >> > goes to such lengths to pass the data. The answer is obvious, and
> >> > the one I gave.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Uh no,
> >>
> >> Maybe because I have the German text beside me. They are complaining
> >> that a) MS is sending new certificates, why are they necessary? and b)
> >> the registration process is sending *too much* data to be the simple
> >> hash that MS is telling us it should be (they do note that the amount
> >> of data may be caused by the new certificates).
> >
> > Clearly they're sending certificates specific to activation, so that
> > other certificates can't be used to spoof the activation process. I
> > don't see the problem.
> >
> >
> >
> Now we are getting somewhere. The main beef c't has with the activation
> process, is that Microsoft does not tell what it does exactly. The amount
> of traffic is big enough to hide additional data in the activation
> request, and unless the exact method is known, we only have Microsofts
> word that that doesn't happen. You may trust them, c't apparently doesn't
> and they seem to be justified based on past experiences.
>
> Clearly the certificates aren't all that necessary if you can just pass
> along your hardware key over the phone if you choose that method of
> activation
>
> Face it Erik, *nobody* trusts Microsoft on their word anymore. Well, you
> do, obviously, so I'm curious if you can give a reason for that? You seem
> to be too intelligent to trust anything on faith alone.
Either Erik is not that intelligent, or he has a hidden agenda.
>
> Mart
>
> --
> Gimme back my steel, gimme back my nerve
> Gimme back my youth for the dead man's curve
> For that icy feel when you start to swerve
>
> John Hiatt - What Do We Do Now
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win 9x is horrid
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:19:09 -0400
pookoopookoo wrote:
>
> >Even if MS weren't one iota bad, their OS
> > still isn't as good as unix, because unix doesn't sufer from the DLL
> > HELL that Windows does.
>
> Yes it does. If you want to install different applications and they require
> different libraries or depend on certain conflicting files, the net effect
> is the same.
Bzzzzzzzzt! Wrong.
1) Unix/Linux libraries are FULLY backwards compatible
2) Unix/Linux libraries use a version numbering system, so
that programs can ALWAYS find the proper library.
> Not only that, it's exacerbated in Linux by the fact that just
> installing a simple game or maybe a new Window manager can conflict with
> some other app. As any Linux advocate, they'll tell you the same.
See above, you ignorant liar.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win 9x is horrid
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:20:55 -0400
quux111 wrote:
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> news:DFWM6.1264$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> > "quux111" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> "pookoopookoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> >> news:JvSM6.644$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> >>
> >> >>Even if MS weren't one iota bad, their OS
> >> >> still isn't as good as unix, because unix doesn't sufer from the
> >> >> DLL HELL that Windows does.
> >> >
> >> > Yes it does. If you want to install different applications and they
> >> > require different libraries or depend on certain conflicting files,
> >> > the net effect is the same. Not only that, it's exacerbated in Linux
> >> > by the fact that just installing a simple game or maybe a new Window
> >> > manager can conflict with some other app. As any Linux advocate,
> >> > they'll tell you the same.
> >>
> >> Wrong. Linux, unlike Windows, uses library versioning, which means
> >> that you can have several versions of the same library on your system
> >> at the same time. Try that with Windows! I've done it myself: I can
> >> run KDevelop (which uses QT1.44 libraries) and KDE 2.0 (which uses
> >> QT2.x libraries) at the same time with no problem at all.
> >
> > Kindof. The problem is, what happens if one program requires glibc to
> > built with a certain set of libraries, while another application
> > requires glibc to be built with a different set?
> >
>
> Don't even get me started on glibc bustage.... The major sore point I have
> with Linux remains glibc. It's a bloated mess, and they seem to break it
> more with every point upgrade it goes through. Stuff built against 2.2.2
> will sometimes barf and die horribly when run against an old-but-still
> serviceable 2.1.3 installation (Debian Potato, f'rinstnace).
>
> I separate this from the "DLL hell" thing because generally Linux handles
> this a lot more gracefully than Windows, but glibc is a problem, no
> question.
>
> >
> >> Likewise with Applix office: it was built against gtk+1.2.7 libraries,
> >> but it runs fine on my gtk+1.2.10 system.
> >
> > This is an entirely different problem. We're not talking about
> > versioning, but about dependancies.
> >
> >> When specific applications experience problems, it is the fault of the
> >> programmer, not the OS.
> >
> > And when Windows developers say this, Linux developers say that the OS
> > should handle all problems.
> >
>
> I'll say this: the OS should provide a *mechanism* to solve the problems,
> which Linux does (the aforementioned library versioning). Windows is lame
> because it can't differentiate between DLL's -- even MSVCRT.DLL can bung
> you up if an application blithely installs an older version over your newer
> one. Same with CTRL3D.DLL; older apps will stick an old version over the
> newer one and cause all kinds of havoc.
>
> A sane OS would permit multiple versions of the same library to live side-
^^^^^
you misspelled "does"
There not reason to go to the hypothetic ("would"), when the concrete ("is")
is sufficient.
> by-side.
>
> quux111
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Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why did Eazel shutdown?
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:23:54 +1200
Or maybe the boogie man may hunt you down, and live under you bed to scare
you.
Matthew Gardiner
"Anonymous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Unless you are doing something illegal, what have you got to hide? The
> > only people who use annoymity are those who are not on the straight and
> > narrow.
>
> I disagree, exposing your identity
> and email address not only generates
> a lot of spam problems, but also
> makes you a nice target for identity fraud.
>
> Welcome to the Internet.
>
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From: Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sea Change
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:31:01 -0700
I don't use Linux as a desktop environment. I am a programmer and a
serious propellorhead, but I have not been able to successfully
configure my Redhat 6.1 distro to function as a decent windowing
environment. I could if I had to, I'm sure. But I use Win95 and I have
Office 97 and these provide all the functionality I need on the
desktop. I just don't feel like taking the time to hammer on Linux to
get it to do all the things that W95/O97 does.
(Actually, I rarely use Office on my personal machine. On the company
laptop, I use it for work-related tasks, but personally I mainly
use it for my resume. I use VI for my journal and my other 'creative'
writings, and I use Netscape - with help from fetchmail - for email)
But that's the point.
When I got high-speed internet access, I needed some way to share the
connection. At the time, I could have spent hundreds of dollars on NT,
or I could have bought a router/switch for about $150. What I did was
stick a P-90 Linux box on the connection with two NICs, upgrade the
kernel and then compile in and configure ip masquerading/forwarding.
As the price of Microsoft products continues to escalate, and the
licensing becomes more restrictive, I can see these kinds of 'back
office' solutions becoming more prevalent, especially in small
businesses. I see nothing wrong with having 25 to 100 users in an
office using Windows desktops with all their
internet/database/file-sharing support provided by Linux servers in the
back room.
I can see this happening. And I can see a lot of money being made by
the Linux-aware in setting up and maintaining little installations such
as this. With a single set of disks, you could go around and replace
all that expensive MS server software in little mom-and-pop shops, and
things would just keep on ticking.
Actually, I really expect this to happen. Windows 2000 Server with a
25-seat license is about $4000US. A $50 Linux distro can provide all
the same services, and the number of seats is limited only by hardware
limitations. The $3950 savings could be used to hire me (or someone
with same skills) to install and customize the installation with plenty
to spare.
MjM
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