Linux-Advocacy Digest #640, Volume #34 Sun, 20 May 01 06:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Can I use GPL? (kosh)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!! (Donn Miller)
Re: Dell Meets Estimates ("2 + 2")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Can I use GPL? (Ian Pulsford)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Security in Open Source Software ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Dr S.J. Cornell)
Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: FrontPage clone? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway. (Pete Goodwin)
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From: kosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can I use GPL?
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 03:43:48 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ivan Popivanov wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I went through a fair amount of material about free software and
> still, I'm not sure whether I can use GPL or LGPL in the following
> situation:
>
> I have some source code, which I want to make freely available.
> However, I may like to use this source code in a commercial
> application. It looks to me that I can't do that if I release the
> source code under GPL or LGPL. The problem is that most of my c++ code
> is contained in header files (inline functions) therefore if I apply
> any of the GNU licenses I will have to release the source code of my
> application too. I understand that I should made all the changes to
> the released code available, but I don't want to make my application
> source code available. Is my understanding of the licenses correct?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ivan
>
If you wrote all the code (ie you are the copyright holder) you can release
under any and as many licenses as you want. You can put out a GPL version
of your stuff and still put it in closed source stuff if you want. However
if you accept contributions back from people on the GPL side and they do
not assign copyright over to you then you can not incorporate those changes
into the non gpl version.
I hope that answers your question.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 09:51:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> I'm not going to bother explaining why it is more advanced technology
> because you probably wouldn't understand in the first place. If people
> have only been exposed to winblows in their lives, it seems like the
> greatest technology possible, even when it's crashing on them.
Yeah right. Make your assumptions.
I worked on UNIX, OpenVMS before I came to Windows. I understand
Operating Systems. I've studied them on and off. Guess what I do
nowadays. I write device drivers. Let me see, what do you need to
understand in order to write those? Why, the OS of course!
As for Linux being "more advanced" than Windows 2000, please do explain!
I'm curious to see which technologies you think Linux has that is more
advanced than Windows!
> OSS does it. Evaluating an OS on whether it can support 3d sound or
> not is pretty silly, but sure, it can be done.
3D sound support is of interest to me since it is my job. So it's not
that silly.
--
Pete
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 05:53:12 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!!
Edward Rosten wrote:
> Whatever happened to the ++++?
Improper C syntax.
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Dell Meets Estimates
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 05:11:08 -0400
heh heh
GreyCloud wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Jon Johansan wrote:
>>
>> "Shun Yan Cheung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:9e4ulh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > In article <9e4lh4$ccu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2 + 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > >That's just a Sun press release.
>> >
>> > At least it has benchmark numbers for TPC-H....
>> > TPC-C is too simplistic and has been considered to
>> > be outdated, SAP is a better measure. Go to
>> >
>>
>> SAP is excellent:
>>
>> a..
>> 1.. In SAP Sales & Distribution and Retail Benchmark performance tests:
>> 2.. A 32-way Unisys ES7000 running the SAP Sales and Distribution
>> benchmark achieved 18,500 SD users. This compares to the best Sun result
of
>> 23,000 SD users on a 64-way E10000. The Sun E10000 is at the end of its
>> product life, while Unisys expects to further enhance the ES7000 with 900
>> MHz processors in the very near future.
>> a.. In the SAP Retail Benchmark, the best Windows 2000 and SQL Server
>> solution scored 3,165,000 transactions per hour while the best Sun
solution
>> scored only 2,412,000 transactions per hour.
>> b.. Over half of new SAP sales are on Windows-based systems. Over
>> one-third of existing SAP sites run on Windows platforms. SAP has over
>> 10,000 customers running on Windows platforms. (Source: SAP)
>>
>> Of course, W2K owns SAP too...
>
>How about SAP SUCKER!!
>
>--
>V
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 09:53:41 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> You are comparing two dissimilar research projects. Cancer research is
> a noble research project. Looking for alien life that is sentient is a
> waste of time. Really, all it will prove that some alien life HAD
> existed many millions of years in the past... these aliens are not
> accessible!
That's a matter of opinion.
--
Pete
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:54:36 +0100
> The National Bureua of Standards has measured it to be about 88% of c.
> It does not travel at the speed of light. Neither do electrons in a
> copper wire.
Nope. Radio waves are simply low frequency light. They travel at exactly
the same speed. Either you've interpreted the stats wrong (we're talking
about c. in a vacuum) or they've proved a large btanch of phyics to be
wrong.
Electrons in a copper wire tracel at a few millimeters (or centimeters)
per second, however the effect of a current travels at the speed of light
in copper which is a bit lower than the speed of light in a vacuum.
-Ed
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(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:57:52 +1000
From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can I use GPL?
Ivan Popivanov wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I went through a fair amount of material about free software and
> still, I'm not sure whether I can use GPL or LGPL in the following
> situation:
>
> I have some source code, which I want to make freely available.
> However, I may like to use this source code in a commercial
> application. It looks to me that I can't do that if I release the
> source code under GPL or LGPL. The problem is that most of my c++ code
> is contained in header files (inline functions) therefore if I apply
> any of the GNU licenses I will have to release the source code of my
> application too. I understand that I should made all the changes to
> the released code available, but I don't want to make my application
> source code available. Is my understanding of the licenses correct?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ivan
Use a BSD license instead.
IanP
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:56:44 +0100
> You could look at it this way of course: if radio waves(==light) travel
> at
> .88c in an atmosphere, then they will travel at .88c in space as well,
> as
> there is no acceleration (of course assuming the radio waves originate
> from a planetary surface). I am applying simple Newtonian physics here,
> and I have a feeling that this would not be exactly right, but it sounds
> deceptively logical to me.
The problem is that photons do not have a rest mass. Their as the speed
goes down, the frequency goes up, and vice versa, so the energy isn't
lost.
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 09:55:22 GMT
In article <9e5gcf$7i4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Need I show you the damage the trade unions did to New Zealand's economy,
> and there links, prior to the cold war, with the Comintern, aka, Communist
> International, lead by the Soviet Union, (1918 is was the Russian
> Federation).
I repeat Trade Union != Communism. That communists may be in Trade Unions
is a different matter.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 09:58:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > How long a computer stays up is not enough. Does it have all the apps,
> > the drivers, the support etc.? Linux doesn't have that yet.
>
> Let's see: Yes, yes, and yes. Linux has the apps I need, the drivers I need,
> and the support I need...
In your case, yes. In my case, no. In the majority of cases, people are
voting with their money and buying Windows.
> Windows is nothing more then a gaming box.
Can I do the same things on Windows that I can on Linux? Can I surf? Yes.
Can I read EMail? Yes (and no I don't touch Outlook Express etc.!). Can I
program? Yes (and I paid for the packages - they're a helluvalot better
than what I've seen on Linux).
> > And how many Suns are going to be bought by the average consumer?
>
> Not many, but probably more then you think. They have a lot of sub-$1000
> machines now that are pretty impressive. Unfortunately, most consumers can't
> see beyond raw MHz and have no clue that a 600MHz UltraSPARC (or even a 750MHz
> P4 in a MAC) is going to be faster then a 1GHz x86 chip.
How much does one of these Sun boxes cost? �500? Screen as well?
--
Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Security in Open Source Software
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:03:21 +0100
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > >
> > > An interesting article about security in Open Source projects.
> > > http://webdeveloper.earthweb.com/websecu/article/0,,12013_621851,00.html
> >
> > This is interesting but silly.
> >
> > Open source is open -> people think people look at it -> false sense of
> > security
> >
> > Open source is open -> people exploit code for there own gain ->
> > exploits
> >
> > Open source is open -> people still don't find the bugs
> >
> > It just does not stand to any reason to argue that Open source is
> > anything but MORE secure. It is like encryption algorithms : "my secret
> > unbreakable code". It just makes simple sense.
> >
> > The only valid point is that just because software is opensource people
> > should not *automatically* assume that it is secure. But is this not
> > just common sense ?
>
> More people looking, more bugs found. But the problem is, there is no
> end to the bugs. More bugs get produced (a natual byproduct of humans
> programming computers in closed and open source) and not enough
> eyeballs are looking to solve all the problems before the next release.
>
> The net effect is that more vulnerabilities are found in open source
> and less in closed source.
>
> Is this a good thing? Perhaps. But it's just more work for the admins.
>
> Is less bugs being found in closed source a bad thing? Perhaps, but
> in the end, and there is strong evidence to support this, the crackers
> just end up using the known bugs anyhow, rather than looking for
> new ones.
>
> Keeping your server patched (with any OS) is the best, most safest
> way to avoid being cracked.
>
> With Open Source, this just means more work.
>
> I know, the Open Source promise is a strong one, but in the real world,
> it just doesn't pan out properly.
>
> -c
I'm scared. You're getting very close to talking sense. However, you
miss one vital point. Open source vulnerabilities tend to get patched
faster. So yes, there is more work for the admins, but I would rather
the extra work from applying more patches, than what may happen if you
have a security breach.
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr S.J. Cornell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: 20 May 2001 10:58:57 +0100
> Dave Martel wrote:
> > It's been 20 years since I did VHF design, but I think .88c is the
> > speed of radio waves in a coaxial cable.
GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Yes, it is true. So many times I had to correct many a network engineer
> on this mistake. The bottom line... if an electron were to travel at
> the speed of light that electrons' size would be infinite!
Ah, yet another opportunity to go way off topic...
It's not the _electron's_ size which is the constraint here, but
rather the size of the gap in the coax cable - the photon's size, if
you like. The EM wave in the cavity satisfies the wave equation,
and the boundary conditions at the surfaces of the cavity mean that
the field has to have some curvature in the directions perpendicular
to its motion; part of the wavevector does not contribute to
propagation. The dielectric constant of the plastic in the cavity
could play a role too; I don't know the numbers, so I can't estimate
how important it is. There's also the issue of group- versus phase-
velocity - the former is what matters if you're following the motion of
signals.
Electrons are quite happy moving at (near enough) c when they are
moving in normal, even very small, cables; they have very little
choice, because at some point the propagating EM field has to satisfy
boundary conditions with the outside world - not an issue when you're
_inside_ a waveguide.
--
Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:01:15 +0100
In article <3b05cc0f$0$41656$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jan Johanson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9e01ph$i15$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > So - if you want better performance, less heat, less maintenence
>> > (single vs cluster of servers), and save a bundle of money - go MS.
>>
>> cite please. Evidence that R10000s (or whatever they were) make more
>> heat than PIII's.
>
>
> 16 R10000s (or whatevers) CPU are certainly making more heat than 8
> PIIIs...
Cite please (the PIII's are real energy hogs)
-Ed
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:03:53 +1200
> Tell me what you know in computers that is 35 years old that doesn't need
an
> upgrade?
The latest SUN Microsystems mid frames have hot-plug-able PCI, install
memory and processors whilst the computer is still on, install hard disks,
partition, and bring the storage on line instantly. Many features that
Wintel admins only dream of, when I have them already at my fingertips. I
want to add another CPU, open the case, locate CPU Modules, insert, close
case, log onto the remote admin via the browser, and see that the load has
been evenly balanced over the newly added CPU and voila, instant upgrade,
and 0 downtime.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:04:53 +0100
>> You checked the root of my email address then!
>
> why - just read the organization line... yawn...
Hmm. The news server must be putting that in.
>> Well, I've got news for you buddy, my parents didn't pay off admissions
>> (that kind of stuff doesn't happen any more) and besides if they did, I
>> would have failed my first exams with flying colours and have been
>> kicked out. Oh, BTW I passed, so I'm good enough to stay here.
>
> oh boy - you're a paper computer "expert" - yhipee
And you're not *even* a paper expert.
Besides, who said anything about doing a computer degree? I'm an
engineer, actually and the degree coruse does not involve much computing.
>> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~scat1148/
>>
>
> wow - impressive - NOT
You asked for some kind of proof. Other than that, I've not got enough
time to piss about with HTML.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway.
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 10:05:25 GMT
In article <PwDN6.11338$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> Pete, do you ever get tired of being wrong?
No, I'm not knowingly wrong, but I do make mistakes. I'll see if I can
dig up the page where I saw the German text in the english manual.
How long did you take to read all those pages?
--
Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FrontPage clone?
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:11:16 +0100
"William R. Cousert" wrote:
>
> Is there anything similar to FrontPage for Linux? A coworker uses FrontPage
> on a daily basis, and would like to switch over to Linux.
>
> If not, is there any way to get FrontPage 97 or 2000 to run under Wine? How
> well do they work with Win4Lin?
FrontPage tends to cause people to write poor webpages. If you can
persuade him against using it, you'll get some better pages out of him
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway.
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 10:09:07 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> I'm beginning to think that Pete is truly a wintroll. He claims to
> manage a VMS system... which in my opinion he does very poorly... funny
> he was never fired from the job! Any truly talented IT Pro can install
> Linux without difficulty... mere childs play. Too many conficting
> opinions from him... at first I thought he was genuine... but after I
> told him about the limitations of DHCP it gives the looks of dishonesty
> leading to Win-Zealotry.
In the past, I have managed a few VMS systems. I no longer do so because
I no longer work for Digital and buying a machine for home use is (i)
ridiculous and (ii) too expensive.
I've no idea why you would think I managed VMS very poorly.
As for any talented IT pro installing Linux with ease, I work with a few
Doctors and guys more intelligent than I am, you should the cursing they
indulge in when using Linux!
--
Pete
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