Linux-Advocacy Digest #657, Volume #34 Mon, 21 May 01 01:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission (Terry Porter)
Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway. (Terry Porter)
Re: Clustering OS of choice.... (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Gary Hallock")
Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway. (Terry Porter)
Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway. (Donn Miller)
Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway. (Terry Porter)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Terry Porter)
Re: Who to install a .gz.tar file? ("Mladen Gogala")
Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Jan Johanson and racism. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Efficient ENI3060 or Virata ATML drivers? (Ronnie Corny)
Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!! (Terry Porter)
Re: Efficient ENI3060 or Virata ATML drivers? (Hal Burgiss)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The nature of competition ("Glitch")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Dell Meets Estimates ("Mike")
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 04:09:53 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Hs_N6.2641$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3b080964$0$37299$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Look - the fact that due to some custom programming of YOUR own
something
> > happens on your boxes that doesn't happen to anyone else - how is that a
> > problem with IIS?
>
> The only custom programming involved is in ASP pages that use
> documented methods from the msxml3.dll objects. The boxes are
> loaded with stock Win2k server, sp1, and the msxml3.dll. All
> straight from Microsoft. All of the pages work when tested
> individually.
How much?
You say that sometimes they work, sometimes they fail.
Meaning that you didn't gave the pages enough testing.
> >How about if we take the same ASP pages adn try to run
> > them on a linux box and then complain that linux sucks when they don't
> run -
> > makes about the same amount of sense as what you are trying to foist
upon
> > us.
>
> Well yes, if the Linux system documented methods that are supposed
> to work but in fact cause the server to hang at random I would complain
> about that. However, the fact is that my Linux systems work - some
> have been up well over a year, and the IIS servers crash daily and
> don't restart themselves even though the service is set to automaticall
> restart.
Where would you complain? In an advocacy group?
BTW, you can crash a program using documented methods too, if you feed the
wrong parameters to them.
> > OK, so your systems have a programming problem (something you wrote) -
> > quite blaming the OS.
>
> So you think it is fine for IIS to pop a dialog box and wait? I don't
> even if the asp code has something wrong. I guess people who
> only run MS systems have different expectations about the system
> software.
>From your description, it looks like you are having memory access errors.
In proccess memory errors result in the termination of the proccess and a
message box saying what happened.
The fact that when you run it out-process, only the dll crash, seems to
indicate it.
I would say that you need either to:
A> Post *way* more details, including code.
B> Turn to non-advocacy group for the details.
I would suggest that you would do both.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 21 May 2001 02:11:42 GMT
On Sun, 20 May 2001 14:44:39 -0400, JS\PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 May 2001 04:49:40 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie
>> Ebert) wrote:
>
>> Win2k is a bore as far as advocacy goes.
>>
>> Why is that?
>>
>> Because you slap a CD and it works. Plain and simple.
>
> That it does. And you don't need a degree in Computer Science to install a
> program. You click "setup.exe" how much easier can it get.
I'll have to take your word for it, as I don't rush out and spend
around $400 on the latest Windows OS, to verify the claims of its
advocates.
> I like it though. (Linux that is) if that counts for anything.
Probably :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 21 May 2001 02:17:02 GMT
On Sun, 20 May 2001 10:09:07 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
>
> As for any talented IT pro installing Linux with ease, I work with a few
> Doctors and guys more intelligent than I am, you should the cursing they
> indulge in when using Linux!
If cursing was a good reason to abandon any OS, then Windows would have
disapeared years ago!
>
> --
> Pete
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Clustering OS of choice....
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 02:24:47 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Linux Admin wrote:
> >Cool info on size and speed of clusters.
> >
> >http://clusters.top500.org/db/Query.php3
> >
> >If you do a search showing OS, you'll find lots of examples of Linux!!!
>
> There is a specific reason you never see any large
> Microsoft based super computer clusters.
>
> If you did, cluster would have a whole different meaning.
>
> --
> Charlie
> -------
That sounds like a lead in to the one about the monkeys and the football
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:26:20 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete
Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Like I said, it's a loosely coupled supercomputer. Anything that
> requires massive numbers of machines working on a small part of the
> whole is suitable for this type of processing. Like raytracing for
> instance. Like CGI in a film for instance. Like the film Titanic!
You're forgetting a very important part of a supercomputer - high speed
communication between processors. SETI is a batch system - that's all.
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 21 May 2001 02:29:21 GMT
On Sun, 20 May 2001 22:06:06 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> > I changed my motherboard recently, and swapped sound card. Windows had to
>> > reboot about four or six times (your '22' seems laughable). Linux had no
>> > propblems - except it left the old setup for the old sound card and I had
>> > to manually intervene to fix it. The installation/detection stuff still has
>> > a way to go.
>>
>> So you reinstalled windows from scratch hence the smaller number of reboot.
>
> I did no such thing. I let Windows boot and watched as it rediscovered
> the keyboard, mouse etc. all over again. Linux did none of this, but
> screwed up on the new sound card installation.
Discovered the mouse and keyboard ???
I wasnt aware that keyboards and mice had a standard methodology
for discovery ?
Pc: "hello keyboard, what kind are you exactly, how many keys, gota Windos
button thingie ?"
Keyboard: .......
Pc: "er hello can you hear me keyboard ?"
Linux asks you these questions at install time, and you can change it any time
you like. It wont send you into 'Safe Mode' because its 'discovered' the same
things that it 'discovered' last time.
>
> --
> Pete
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:36:54 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway.
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> Windows 200 is alright, however, it is not as good as linux 2.4.4, Solaris
> or n any other re-iterations of UNIX.
Win XP should be much better than Win ME or 98, since it's based on Win
2000. The issues, though, are the activation issues. Still it'd be
interesting running a consumer version of Windows that actually has
memory protection. HW running in ring level 0 will still induce some of
that previous Windows' instability, though.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 21 May 2001 02:38:11 GMT
On Sun, 20 May 2001 22:04:37 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>> > You mean fanatical user groups.
>>
>> OS's are fanatical things Pete, you know that. Its the reason you troll
>> on COLA.
>
> I try not to be a fanatic. After being a Born Again Christian, I don't
> want to be that fanatical or closed minded again.
Amen!
>
> Why do you think I use both Windows and Linux?
I'm really not sure.
> Why do you think my 3D
> scene editor MSE is available on both Windows and Linux?
I have three theories:-
1/ You're a degreed Electronics and CS person who loves
technology and is excited about it. Sadly you ran over
a gypsy once, who pointed a finger at you before dying and uttered
the words "Linux.....DHCP". This unfortunate event has placed a curse
on you, and you will never get DHCP working!
2/ You're a Wintroll and need to add some legitmacy to your Linux
posts (a new and confusing technique).
3/ None of the above :)
>
> --
> Pete
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Kind Regards
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 21 May 2001 02:42:04 GMT
On Sun, 20 May 2001 21:05:04 +1200,
Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sat, 19 May 2001 19:14:17 +0200, Roy Culley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > What does W2K come with out of the box that Solaris doesn't? I'm eager
>> > to know.
>>
>> Something called "3D Audio" (according to Goodwin), fading menus, and a
>> drop shadow under the mouse pointer.
>>
> Which is bloody useless unless you have 4 speakers and a sub.
Hahahah, erm I have done a bit of work on the Collins class subs
and I didn't see any surround sound speakers in the command centre!
Then again when I was 17, I heard the most amazing 'Quadraphonic' sound
system, it really soundedlike the singer was in the lounge room!
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
>
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From: "Mladen Gogala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who to install a .gz.tar file?
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 03:21:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "David
Harvill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> for RH, I've always found that the mkisofs RPM is sufficient. As for
> what you have, I would look in the directory that untargzipping
> created for a README or INSTALL file, and follow the instructions
> there.
>
> -dave
>
> Lamar Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> I am running RH 7.1 on an Intel system. I am trying to get me CDRW
>> working and the "CD-Writing-HOWTO" said that I needed to download and
>> install "mkisofs". Well I downloaded it but I can't seem to find a
>> way to install it. I ran the commands: "gunzip filename.gz" and
>> "tar -xvf filename.tar" and extracted the files. Now what? Can
>> anyone help? Thanks,
>>
>> Lamar
There should be a directory called mkisofs-x.y[.z] where x, y and z are
digits. Go to that directory, and do the following:
./configure
make
$ su
Passwd:
# make install
Voila! Mkisofs is installed into /usr/local/bin.
Make sure that you do not burn copyrighted music to your CDs as it is
bad for your soul and for the recording industry profits.
--
Mladen Gogala
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!!
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 03:31:31 GMT
On 21 May 2001 01:47:57 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
wrote:
>Oh pulllleese !
>
>The Hayes "at" command set is still a standard for modems, in most cases
>the "AT" command set will apply to any modem, and any computer, regardles of
>OS or hardware type.
You missed the :)
flatfish
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 03:36:07 GMT
On Sun, 20 May 2001 16:48:18 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie
Ebert) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Here's some commentary from a individual with a made up name
>who has been posting to COLA for over a year now, right
>at 18 hour a day, 7 days a week.
Like I said..........
flatfish
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Jan Johanson and racism.
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 03:39:06 GMT
On Sun, 20 May 2001 19:24:27 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie
Ebert) wrote:
>
>Aside from the ususal Flat Fish you can find posting to COLA
>with their rediculous arguments, we have Jan Johanson
>and {HER?} rediculous arguments also.
Medication wearing off Charlie?
flatfish
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ronnie Corny)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Efficient ENI3060 or Virata ATML drivers?
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 03:45:26 GMT
I think this might have been asked some time ago, but I was wondering if any
drivers for these cards exist?
has anyone gotten these cards to work with anything other than Windows
95/98/ME/NT/2k ?
thanks
rgds,
- ron
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!!
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 21 May 2001 03:53:02 GMT
On Mon, 21 May 2001 03:31:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 21 May 2001 01:47:57 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
> wrote:
>
>
>>Oh pulllleese !
>>
>>The Hayes "at" command set is still a standard for modems, in most cases
>>the "AT" command set will apply to any modem, and any computer, regardles of
>>OS or hardware type.
>
>
> You missed the :)
Damn, I hate it when I do that ;-)
>
>
> flatfish
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Efficient ENI3060 or Virata ATML drivers?
Reply-To: Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 21 May 2001 00:03:11 -0400
On Mon, 21 May 2001 03:45:26 GMT, Ronnie Corny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I think this might have been asked some time ago, but I was wondering
>if any drivers for these cards exist?
>
>has anyone gotten these cards to work with anything other than Windows
>95/98/ME/NT/2k ?
http://www.unixathome.org/adsl/docs/drivers/Linux/0.84/
I know nothing about them. I suspect this is an Alpha project that was
abandoned. Nobody seems to be talking. I would strongly suggest an
ethernet modem for Linux (and the other better alternative Os's).
--
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:27:19 -0400
Society wrote:
>
> "You've got MALE.. sex organs!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Kulkis is an idiot.
> >
> > But then I repeat myself.
>
> You all do realize that Aaron Kulkis is an operative
> whose mission is to lure you into wasting your time
> instead of doing anything that might challenge the
> "Windows domination of the desktop", don't you?
>
> Or maybe you don't. Ha, ha.
>
The best insults are thosee which everybody EXCEPT the victim understands.
> And all your wasted time is keeping you out
> of circulation with the good lookers, too.
>
> --
> Too many Americans can't laugh at themselves anymore.
>
> #35 in Rush Limbaugh's "35 Undeniable Truths"
--
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Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The nature of competition
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:40:02 -0400
In article <fcZN6.2472$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9e9hcj$573$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Well, so far, the only real tests of price/performance that Linux
> machines
>> > have participated in is the TPC benchmark, and that showed a
>> > price/performance ratio of over twice that of the Win2k box.
>> >
>> > > Linux is at least as fast, if not faster.
>> >
>> > Depends on the task. Linux is *NOT* as fast or faster for things
>> > like
>> Video
>> > editing, for instance.
>>
>> No one here (in COLA) ever said that it was suitable, yet, faster at
>> rendering videos. Yes, for raw operations Linux is faster. If I were
>> to render a video, I would actually get a SGI O2 w/ the video capture
>> add-on. MPEG compression on the fly, real time video rendering and
>> other fancy features at the click of a mouse button. Something Wintel
>> users only dream about. If you really wanted to improve the video
>> capabilities, grab a
> copy
>> of XIG X-Server w/ advance OpenGL capabilites at a mature level which
> would
>> beat what Windows has to offer.
>
> What exactly does OpenGL have to do with non-linear editing?
>
> In any event, the features you mention have been available for Windows
> for quite some time. Avid, who has 80% of the high end market runs on
> Macs and NT systems.
>
>> > > Linux has been proven to be more stable.
>> >
>> > It has? How? I've seen no verifiable studies that show Linux's
>> > uptime
> to
>> > be greater than anything else.
>>
>> Uptime vs. the cost of the program. Windows 2000 Server at $NZ1K, say,
> 200
>> days uptime, which works out to be $5 per day, vs. Linux costs $0, say
>> 200 days uptime which works out to be $0 per day.
>
> But now you must write your own software to do many things that Windows
> has commercial software available to do. As mentioned, Video editing,
> sound design, CAD/CAM, and many others.
>
>> > > Linux has proven to be more secure.
>> >
>> > Again, it has? What do you call the 49 security bulletins in the
>> > last 6 months for Red Hat?
>>
>> Most people I know who run servers use Debian. Hence that comment is
>> just
> a
>> psuedo fact.
>
> Interesting, Debian lists 61 security patches so far in 2001 alone.
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce-01/threads.html
>
I not saying all of a "Service" pack is for security holes but what about
the multiple sevice packs MS releases for its OSes? I know some SPs for
NT were close to 100 megs...did MS forget to includ some stuff or
something?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:37:30 -0400
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <04GN6.2052$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Society wrote:
> >"You've got MALE.. sex organs!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> Kulkis is an idiot.
> >>
> >> But then I repeat myself.
> >
> >You all do realize that Aaron Kulkis is an operative
> >whose mission is to lure you into wasting your time
> >instead of doing anything that might challenge the
> >"Windows domination of the desktop", don't you?
> >
> >Or maybe you don't. Ha, ha.
> >
> >And all your wasted time is keeping you out
> >of circulation with the good lookers, too.
> >
> >--
> > Too many Americans can't laugh at themselves anymore.
> >
> > #35 in Rush Limbaugh's "35 Undeniable Truths"
> >
>
> Considering the state of the economy now as opposed to last year,
> I wouldn't care if Clinton had sex with a collie twice a week
> if we could have him back.
Don't be silly.
The current economic downturn STARTED under Clinton's watch.
Clinton asked OPEC to raise world-market crude prices so that
Russia could pay off it's debt on schedule.
>
> Bush sucks and Linux is the #1 fastest growing OS in the world
> for the 4th straight year in a row now.
>
> Only deal in FACTS! Don't quote Rush Limbaugh.
>
> --
> Charlie
> -------
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Dell Meets Estimates
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 04:52:31 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9e9f7s$3v3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Is Sun a chip company? They only make chips for their own servers. After
> the
> > smoke and mirrors of the web bubble hype, can this base support the R&D
> > needed to compete, now that Intel is AT THE DOOR.
>
> Now, National Semiconductors produce the chips, which are standardised by
> the Sparc consortium. http://www.sparc.org/members.html are the companies
> involved. Maybe you should reassess you pre-emptive conclusions.
You're both wrong. Sun doesn't make chips, and National doesn't make chips
for Sun. Sun designs their own chips, and they are currently manufactured by
a company other than National and Fujitsu.
In the end, 2 has a point, even if it is poorly elucidated, thinly masked
hyperbole. On the other hand, Matthew, you don't know what you're talking
about.
Sun isn't very competitive in the low end server market, and their volumes
aren't high enough to compete effectively with Intel, _if_ Intel can produce
a competitive high end processor, _and_ there is an operating system that
can compete with Solaris.
Intel's next processor is likely to compete effectively, but Linux today
can't compete with Solaris over the entire range of Sun's products. The high
Sun machines can run something like 32 processors, each with many gigabytes
of RAM. If you're looking for a scalable system, that's the ultimate: you
can scale from a basic single processor server all the way up to the high
end machine, without much more work than putting in a new machine. There is
no equivalent to that in the Linux or Windows worlds, and it gives Sun an
important selling point: they scale further. If you're a growing business,
that can be a powerful motivation to choose Sun for the low end server, even
though the price/performance isn't as good.
But, neither the Linux folks or Microsoft have shown any inclination to let
things be, and it would be naive to bet against either of them mounting a
serious challenge to Sun in the future. It would also be naive to bet that
Sun would sit back and rest on their laurels, but in Sun's case, it's harder
to see what they can do about it.
-- Mike --
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