Linux-Advocacy Digest #210, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 00:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Anonymous)
Re: The Microsoft PATH. (Dave Martel)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Rotten168)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("JS \\ PL")
Re: Opera ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Rotten168)
Re: Redhat video problems. (Mark)
Re: UI Importance (Mark)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard) (Frog2)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard) (Frog2)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Stephen S. Edwards II")
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:08:15 +1200
>>Yes. However, are all diseases equally communicable and equally deathly?
>>
>>
>
> Very true, but if you are (as you claim) heterosexual, the chances of
> you catching an STD from a homosexual are minimal. Your chances of
> catching an STD from a heterosexual woman are somewhat higher (though,
> given some of your views, pretty low, as I guess you would have some
> trouble getting laid)
Also, it doesn't include the number of hetrosexual people who don't get
treatment early enough to stop permanant damage. So STD's, if left
uptreated can either kill you, or make you unfertile.
Matthew Gardienr
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:12:08 -0400
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I would view any numbers concerning market
share of Linux compared to Windows with great
skepticism. How can IDC or anyone else possibly
know about all the RedHat systems I installed
in my home? I downloaded all the software
off of a mirror site and installed them on all
5 of my machines in my house.
Jon Johansan wrote:
>
> http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=21403
> or
> http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2772060,00.html
>
> But they both say the same thing:
> Gartner Dataquest has reported that 8.6 percent of server shipments in the
> U.S. during the third quarter of 2000 were Linux-based and 97% of those were
> Red Hat. Another interesting finding was that when so-called "white box," or
> non-branded, server purchases were excluded and only branded server
> purchases considered, Linux's share of the market fell to just 6 percent in
> the third quarter of 2000.
>
> IDC claims a higher figure in previous reports, 27%. But IDC considers ANY
> PC which has Linux installed on it a "Server Environment." Obviously that
> stretches the definition a bit.
>
> Yes, I know the study was partially sponsored by MS (someone has to pay for
> these things) so please don't fire off stupid replies implying that MS
> purposely contaminated it's own results by 'buying the study' - that's just
> preposterous. Consider when car companies pay someone like JD Powers to
> guage customer satisfaction - the company that paid for the survey does NOT
> always come out on top and that's why people trust JD Powers. Same for both
> IDC and Gartner. They are paid by _someone_ to find something out. If the
> results don't go your way then, sure, it's ok for you to not publish them
> (Ford pays JD Powers to find out if people like the Explorer and it turns
> out they don't - no need to buy Superbowl time to advertise that - but if
> they did like it, of course you advertise it - it's normal and is done all
> the time). So, ahead of time, ANYONE who says "MS paid for it therefore they
> said whatever MS told them to" is automatically defined as an idiot and
> mindless so don't fall into that hole oK?
>
> Further Quote: [Donn] Miller [of MS] told eWEEK that Microsoft had helped
> sponsor the study to see exactly who was using Linux, what the server
> deployments were and what operating system was running on it.
> "There has been a lot of hype around Linux over the past year, and we wanted
> to try and find out the real story on its adoption," he said. "While I admit
> there has been interest in Linux, this by no means accounts for one out of
> every four new servers sold. That is simply ridiculous."
>
> The study results prove that Linux on the server side is still "just a niche
> play," Miller added. It's unrealistic to look at sales numbers and believe
> that all of these are being deployed. While many users have bought Linux to
> try it out, a large number of those copies bought, downloaded and acquired
> were tested and then never actually used, he said.
>
> "Many of our customers have tested it, but found that it falls short of what
> is required for a business server platform," Miller said. "Windows has good
> penetration on the server side, but the misstated Linux market share figures
> unfairly present the actual position of Novell and others rather than us."
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Microsoft PATH.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:13:10 -0600
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:21:48 -0700, "Paolo Ciambotti"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Terry Porter"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>> > Frankly, I wish the Linux community had also had a period without a
>>>> > GUI. There'd be more console-only software and games for starters.
>>>
>> My son Sam, loves Adom and Nethack and some others, one was a
>> multiplayer networked version, and we had a LOT of fun, with Sam leading
>> around gangs of characters, mages, knights, pick pockets etc.
>>
>> I didnt stand a chance!
>>
>
>And I'm still stuck trying to wend my way through the Zork trilogy.
>
>"Xyzzy". "Plugh". Remember? Remember without drugs?
"You are in a maze of twisty little wintrolls..."
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:15:35 GMT
Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> >
> > "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9g7njd$9ko$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Cultured? The French/Germans/Italians are cultured, the British are no
> > > > more cultured than the Americans.
> > >
> > > The average levelof culture is falling rapidly, but we've got a long way
> > > to go to catch you guys up. Still proud to be forging a new path at the
> > > head of the world?
> > >
> >
> > The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows that
> > the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax" hype
> > created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony Blaire's second
> > term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better, we know who won!
> > unlike the US election that just dragged on and on. Mind you, I never
> > followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches democracy doesn't practice it
> > when election time rolls around.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
>
> If you are going to bash the US incessantly please understand that
> the USA is a republic and NOT a democracy.
>
> ....
Grrr... the US is a democratic republic... a Jeffersonian democracy. The
two are not opposite you know.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:17:21 -0400
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:18:17 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> >Lets see a screenshot of the system properties window. It doesn't
jive.
> >>
> >> What system properties window?
> >
> >Since your using Agent, I assume your running some version of Windows
> > right click on
> >My Computer
> >push
> >alt-print screen
> >open paint
> >press Ctrl-V
>
> That just prints a big picture of my desktop.
>
> >put the file up on an internet server so we can all see this mythical
200mhz
> >system with 16 mb RAM you claim to have.
>
> You want a picture of my desktop?
>
> >While your at it, lets see how small the HD is. You claim it's 1gb which
> >doesn't jive with system sold during the 200mhz era.
> >right click on your c: in explorer, hit alt-print screen paste into
> >paint.....
>
> OK, I admit I lied. It's 1.26GB. Are you happy now?
I knew you were lying. But I also know your still lying. That's pretty sad.
Saying you have a SMALLER system than you actually have. Pathetic.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:16:28 +1200
Todd wrote:
> "Fred K Ollinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9fr73v$8k7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>>Ayende Rahien (don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>
>>: "Leigh Wedding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>: news:9fhnnp$eki$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>>
>>: > The way I see it IE is not really free as MS claims, it is
>>: > actually included in the price of MS Windows. Can you
>>: > grasp this concept?
>>
>>: No, I can download updates for free.
>>: I don't have to buy something to get IE5 on Win95.
>>
>>Where do I get the source. I'd like to compile the linux version.
>>
>
> It doesn't come with source, like 95% of the applications out there. Source
> is intellectual property, something that Linux users don't grasp.
>
> Just because source isn't available, doesn't mean that the application sux
> or whatever.
>
> 99% of the consumers out there do not *want* to compile, they just want to
> *use* the software... another thing the Linux community will probably never
> get.
>
> Oh well... if you don't adapt, you will not succeed. So stop whining.
>
> -Todd
So Todd, what you are saying is if I wrote a piano concerto in E minor,
and I sold manuscripts of it so that people could play it at home, some
how, I am giving away my "intellectual property"? no, I am not.
Same situation with the sourcecode. If you wanted, you could sell binary
version if you wish. Under the GPL, all you required to do it supply
the souce code on request, hence, on a website you don't have to give
away binary versions for free. You don't have to have the source code on
your site, you can simply have it on a "on request" basis. You still
own the source code, except, all you are doing is allowing people to
look at it if they wish.
For example, Microsoft could opensource MS Office, and still sell
copies. They could simply say, "here is the source code, but don't
expect any support or free development tools". They don't have to give
access to the binary version. They can simply say that if you wish to
purchase the binary version you have to pay for it on CD. Since most
people prefer buying software on CD w/ documentation and full support,
they will still make money.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:19:14 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> > > The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows
> that
> > > the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax" hype
> > > created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony Blaire's
> second
> > > term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better, we know who won!
> > > unlike the US election that just dragged on and on. Mind you, I never
> > > followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches democracy doesn't practice
> it
> > > when election time rolls around.
> >
> > <sigh>
> >
> > Talk about keeping your head in your own little world. You don't
> > know the first thing about American Democracy. That election fiasco
> > was an example of how firm and solid the American democracy is and
> > how it can withstand the challenge of corrupt officials (Gore, Clinton)
> > and an attack from within.
>
> Well, for 500 years, Britainnia has never had that sort of issues to worry
> about. New Zealand, that hasn't happened. I think it happened once in
> Australia, but the governor general desolved parliament and there was a
> re-election.
>
> Also, we all know what American Democracy = Large corporations using parties
> to push their agenda.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
Yes that's true to a large extent... some of us do realize that here...
and we're trying to do something about it. I'd never say that the US
system is perfect. I guess the problem is that I can't really compare it
to the NZ system, because NZ and the US are apples and oranges with
completely different problems, at least from what I've heard.
BTW my aunt went there a few years back... she said it's beautiful,
she's a fly fisherperson... said the fishing was really good too.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Redhat video problems.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:07:52 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
GreyCloud wrote:
>flatfish+++ wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:57:02 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I wonder what ever happened to using ctrl-alt-+ or - to change the
>> >screen resolutions on the fly??
>>
>> That's assuming X is installed properly to begin with.
>>
>> Hitting those keys when all that is displayed is a bright white screen
>> does nothing.
>>
>> flatfish+++
>> "Why do they call it a flatfish?"
>
>My old copy of slackware 3.5 allowed for many different resolutions and
>worked nice.
>The later versions of Linux seem to have omitted this feature.
>
Whether you can do this or not is dependent on the capabilities of
your graphics card and monitor, and the Xfree driver.
If it is supported, then the setup in XF86Setup should offer you
a range of modes to choose from. Those you select are put into
the XF86Config file, and when you press c-m-+ c-m-- combinations
you can switch between them.
If you want to know more about what the driver for your particular
card supports, try man 'driver', and also check in the documentation
bit (in debian it would be in /usr/share/doc/x-common/'drivername.gz')
Note that some types of driver may not support this feature.
--
Mark Kent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:18:25 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Josiah Fizer wrote:
>On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:52:02 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:53:04 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> (Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:34:45 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>I've never used Win2k... does it have the basic sh shell, ksh korn
>>>>shell, tsc tenex c shell, or bash?
>>>
>>>Not out of the box. But that's understandable since it would require
>>>MS to write lots of extra documentation. However you can install all
>>>of the basic shells from a number of sources, both comercial and
>>>freeware.
>>
>>Why would MS need to write the documentation? With linux, when you
>>install something, its man pages are automatically added. Won't the
>>same thing happen on windows?
>
>So your saying that on Linux the docs just magically appear? or does
>someone have to write them? Why wouldn't MS have to write docs for a
>new shell? Are you saying that all the curent docs that explain how to
>use the WinNT/DOS/Win9x shell wouldn't have to be updated?
He said "it's man pages are automatically added" - that looked pretty
clear to me. There's no magic there.
I'm not sure you understand what a shell is or does. Do you realise
that you can have more than one shell available (and indeed running)
at once, each of different types?
The documentation is that for the specific shell. Microsoft don't
really want you to have any choice in how to interact with your
PC, so they only supply their own shell. They're trying to
remove entirely the command line shell from their 'desktop' OSs,
but have not been able to do so for NT, since they're trying to
sell it as a server OS, and the graphical stuff just doesn't
replace the command line. Ie., on NT you get 2 shells.
You can add the cygnus tools to your windows machine, they
come with the bash shell, and man-pages. It's nothing to do
with Microsoft at all, so they do not write the documentation.
The documentation is that man-page which comes with Bash from the
GNU folks.
--
Mark Kent
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From: Frog2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Jun 2001 03:17:56 -0000
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard)
Crossposted-To: alt.bonehead.steve-chaney,soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, in the last few years, the group with the largest report of
> new cases was teenage heterosexuals, primarily girls.
prove this claim.
also, provide a breakdown of infections due to:
iv drug use
heterosexual contact
homosexual contact
for the time period in question.
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
fat kid: i've got some fudge hidden up my ass - you want some?
chaney: yeah right - i'm not falling for that one again.
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From: Frog2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Jun 2001 03:18:05 -0000
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard)
Crossposted-To: alt.bonehead.steve-chaney,soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > drsquare wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:40:06 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > (Sky King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > >
> > > >> >> Last I heard its progress through the gay community has slowed, but its
> > > >> >> advancing among the heterosexual youth,
> > > >> >
> > > >> >That's a rumor being spread by.... homosexual activists
> > > >>
> > > >> The same way all your rumour are spread by paranoid right-wing nuts
> > > >> like yourself.
> > > >>
> > > >Except we "right wing nuts" have the stats to back us up. Do you?
> > > >sky
> > >
> > > Stats? I haven't seen you provide or refer to a single statistic.
> >
> > U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY
> >
>
> Are theses AIDS statistics or HIV disease statistics?
note the cryptic phrase 'U.S. AIDS CASES'
scientists are baffled
> Do you know the difference?
who can say what aaron knows?
but i would hope that the center for disease control is better informed,
and that's who compiled these statistics.
> > EXPOSURE CATEGORY Sub-totals # of AIDS CASES
> > Men who have sex with men - 326,051
>
> What kind of sex is this? Oral, anal, what.
no such data is available for all u.s. cases. however studies indicate
that unprotected receptive anal intercourse is most risky.
> Are these new or old cases?
total cases since the epidemic began as of 1999.
> > Injecting drug use - -
> > MALE 126,889 -
> > FEMALE 46,804 -
> > TOTAL - 173,693
>
> Can you tell us why the number for men is higher for men Here?
i can only speculate. if you examine the deaths caused by just about any
high risk activity which men and women can engage in the majority of the
deaths will occur among the men. women are considerably more risk averse.
> > Men who have sex w/men and inject drugs - 43,640
> > Hemophilia/coagulation disorder - -
> > MALE 4,663 -
> > FEMALE 248 -
> > TOTAL - 4,911
>
> .. these people have AIDS?
that's what it says you silly person.
> > Heterosexual contact - -
> > MALE 23,361 -
> > FEMALE 43,128 -
> > TOTAL - 66,490
> > Receipt of blood transfusion, blood components, or tissue - -
> > MALE 4,784 -
> > FEMALE 3,598 -
> > TOTAL - 8,382
>
> Can you tell us anything about the initial exposure dates for these, or
> for any of these cases?
contact the center for disease control.
> > Risk not reported or identified - -
> > MALE 41,037 -
> > FEMALE 15,533 -
> > TOTAL - 56,572
> >
> > - center for disease control, 1999
> >
>
> Without some more information thee numbers are useless, and really dont
> say anything.
except that in the united states 10% of aids cases are known to be the
result of heterosexual contact and 48% are due to homosexual contact.
or:
U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY 1999 (source: CDC)
Exposure category % of total
Men who have Sex with Men (MSM) 326,051 48%
IV drug use 173,693 26%
MSM/IV 43,640 6%
Hemophilia 4,911 1%
Heterosexual contact 66,490 10%
Transfusion 8,382 1%
Risk not reported or known 56,572 8%
Total: 679,739
that is to say, 12% due to hetero sex or transfusion, 80% due to
homosexual sex, iv drug use, or some combination of the two, with 8%
unknown.
hth
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
fat kid: i've got some fudge hidden up my ass - you want some?
chaney: yeah right - i'm not falling for that one again.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:23:45 +1200
Rotten168 wrote:
> Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>
>>"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>>
>>>"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>news:9g7njd$9ko$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>
>>>>>Cultured? The French/Germans/Italians are cultured, the British are no
>>>>>more cultured than the Americans.
>>>>>
>>>>The average levelof culture is falling rapidly, but we've got a long way
>>>>to go to catch you guys up. Still proud to be forging a new path at the
>>>>head of the world?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows that
>>>the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax" hype
>>>created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony Blaire's second
>>>term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better, we know who won!
>>>unlike the US election that just dragged on and on. Mind you, I never
>>>followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches democracy doesn't practice it
>>>when election time rolls around.
>>>
>>>Matthew Gardiner
>>>
>>>
>>If you are going to bash the US incessantly please understand that
>>the USA is a republic and NOT a democracy.
>>
>>....
>>
>
> Grrr... the US is a democratic republic... a Jeffersonian democracy. The
> two are not opposite you know.
Hmm, the previous post I was trying to get through the message
questioning why there is such as low turn out rate in the US elections?
New Zealand, close to a 95% turn out. Aussie, it is compulsory.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:35:03 -0700
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:38:54 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> >> Well, let me throw this one at you, how do you feel about the fact that
> >> here in America, somebody under 21 can buy a gun and serve his country,
> >> but he/she can't even walk into a friggin' bar and order a beer?
Where's
> >> the American freedom there?
> >
> >It is preposterous, and such laws are a result
> >of the liberal mindset.
>
> Liberal mindset? How are such draconian laws liberal?
Liberals think of themselves as "generous", or
"giving", as the label denotes. But what it
logically refers to is their inability to
solidly define anything, be it right or wrong,
or sensible or nonsense.
> >That law was as recent
> >as the 70's, IIRC. The reason why laws like
> >that one get put into place is because of
> >a lack of patriotism, and pride. People just
> >apathetically allow these idiotic politicians
> >to do their own bidding, without saying a damn
> >word.
>
> Well, that's democracy for you. If I was the absolute dictator of the
> world, such things would never happen.
If you were the absolute dictator of the world,
you'd likely be tossed out on your ass before
you even made your first decision.
> >People in this country are apathetic, because
> >that is how the liberals want them to be.
> >
> >Liberals in this country want you to think
> >that you cannot make it without them. They
> >want people to think that more govt. == more
> >freedom. The reason for this is simple: they
> >want job security, and they want control,
> >because that leads to... you guessed it, more
> >money in their pockets. After all, it's our
> >money... why the hell should we have it?
>
> I have a growing suspicion that you don't know what the word "liberal"
> means.
I have a growing suspicion that you don't know
who liberals are.
> >It turns out that the trawlers and ships that
> >were taking the readings were taking them from
> >the rear of the crafts... well, the water gets
> >warmed from the engines back there.
>
> Well, any excuse for the fascist hippies to force their flawed
> environmental agenda on everyone.
These were scientists, not hippies.
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