Linux-Advocacy Digest #214, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 02:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Rotten168)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard) (Frog2)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Will MS get away with this one? (T. Max Devlin)
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:14:50 GMT
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>
> "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g75ar$rtm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> 8<snipped communist apologist crap>8
>
> > They did it for the profit. That is all that is left of the "American
> way".
>
> I'm assuming you are a U.S. citizen...
>
> Then here's a suggestion... get the fuck out if
> it's so bad here. Nobody's coercing you to stay
> here. If you don't like it here, then leave.
>
> What? You don't want to leave? Hmmm... I wonder
> why that is?
But maybe he believes in his country enough to want to change it. One of
the reasons that America's inner cities decayed so much is that people
who became successful left them instead of staying behind to try and
make them better for other people.
Not everyone is apathetic you know.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:19:42 +1200
>>Regarding the Soviets, Stalin warned the western alliance years and
>>years before the war broke out, and no body listened to his warnings.
>>When the League of Nations appeased the NAZI regeme, Stalin warned of
>>the dire consequences. I guess the Soviets were able to turn around and
>>say, "I told you so".
>>
>
> Actually from what I've read is that Stalin totally disregarded all
> German transgressions after signing the nonaggression pact in 1939... he
> even had Soviet officers who warned that the Nazi were about to attack
> executed. Stalin was terrified of the German dictator, and didn't want
> to provoke *anything*. He also didn't want to be made a fool of. Stalin
> may be more to blame than any other leader actually.
He signed the pact because the western allies didn't have the balls to
come to the party, so to speak, and help the Soviets fight the German
advance onto Poland. Also, Stalin was trying to on one hand rebuild the
economy, through the 3 year and 5 year plan and on the other hand,
during that time, due to the forced collectivisation of farming land,
this resulted in a decrease in grain production, an as a result of that
millions died, and the armed forces were ready to revolt.
Also, if one were to look at the German armed forces, the reason why
they were so successful was because there was cohesion between the
different coponents, Army, Navy and Airforce. It was not until Germany
was outnumbered that they started to collapse. So in hinesight, Germany
was a very, very powerful military force when compared to who they went
up against in terms of numbers and equipment.
German science also allowed them to continue by turning coal into oil
and rubber, both required by the Airforce, Military and Navy. Thus, even
with a shortage of oil around the world, they had the technology to
utilise their resources to the maximum potential.
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From: Frog2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Jun 2001 05:29:01 -0000
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard)
Crossposted-To: alt.bonehead.steve-chaney,soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > drsquare wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:32:03 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > ("S.T. Pickrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > >
> > > >drsquare wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> That part that they're equally transferrable through homosexual and
> > > >> heterosexual sex.
> > > >
> > > >In Africa and Asia you're certainly right.
> > > >
> > > >In North America, it seems more homosexuals get it. Whether the
> > > >gap will close or not is another issue.
> > >
> > > Do they? Have you got any EVIDENCE? No, you haven't. So fuck off until
> > > you have.
> >
> > U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY
> >
> > EXPOSURE CATEGORY Sub-totals # of AIDS CASES
> > Men who have sex with men - 326,051
> > Injecting drug use - -
> > MALE 126,889 -
> > FEMALE 46,804 -
> > TOTAL - 173,693
> > Men who have sex w/men and inject drugs - 43,640
> > Hemophilia/coagulation disorder - -
> > MALE 4,663 -
> > FEMALE 248 -
> > TOTAL - 4,911
> > Heterosexual contact - -
> > MALE 23,361 -
> > FEMALE 43,128 -
> > TOTAL - 66,490
> > Receipt of blood transfusion, blood components, or tissue - -
> > MALE 4,784 -
> > FEMALE 3,598 -
> > TOTAL - 8,382
> > Risk not reported or identified - -
> > MALE 41,037 -
> > FEMALE 15,533 -
> > TOTAL - 56,572
> >
> > - center for disease control, 1999
> >
>
> Can you quote some recent figures?
'these are old charges'
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
fat kid: i've got some fudge hidden up my ass - you want some?
chaney: yeah right - i'm not falling for that one again.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:25 GMT
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:01:30
>"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>> >
>> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ed Allen
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote
>> > on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:01:16 GMT
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > >In article
>> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> > >GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >>Chad Myers wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> It's pretty standard. Anyone who is a militant rabid defender
>> > >>> of something is generally called a <term>inista.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> -c
>> > >>
>> > >>Therefore, that would make you a Windowinista... Billyinista...
>> > >>Gatesinista....
>> > >>
>> > > He goes by the self proclaimed title:
>> > >
>> > > Chad Myers, jerk.
>> > >
>> > > But I do like the sound of Windowinista...
>> >
>> > I'm not sure I do; the word sounds like it trips over its own
>> > shoelaces.
>> >
>> > Multiple times.
>> >
>> > But it does seem to be an appropriate metaphor for Windows, which
>> > doesn't have shoelaces but still manages to trip over them
>> > multiple times...
>> >
>> > :-)
>> >
>> > (Pedant point: how about "Windowsinista"? Still pertty trippy, though.)
>> >
>> Lets try Windanista.
>
>It's not quite the same. You don't have rabid moronic Windows guerillas
That would explain your constant cross-posting, troll-boy. Yes,
"Windownista" is really all that it takes to describe your kind.
>who set up web sites to flame Linux in the droves that you do the
No, they have Ballmer to say "Linux is a cancer" in place of that. Oh,
an Microsoft "press-pass". Probably the largest set of lies ever
compiled in one place. It is a wonder the whole thing doesn't become a
giant black hole of corporate bullshit, slowly sucking the entire
Internet, and eventually all of man's knowledge, into it.
Oh, that's right. I forgot. It is.
>other way around. Windows advocates typically like Windows, keep the
Hardly; they loOoooO-ooo-OOO-oooOove it! Whey else take such pains
ridiculing people who like Linux, and flame Windownistas when they post
to COLA.
>Penguinistas from spreading too many lies, and extol the virtues of
Yes, that is the lie you keep telling yourself, and anyone else, when
the question of just why you hate Linux advocates comes up. Just claim
you are trying to stop them from lying. Lord knows, we can't have
people saying something is better than Windows. That would ruin the
economy, wouldn't it?
>Windows once in awhile. They have nothing to prove because they
Well, because they have nothing to prove. They just prefer Linux to
Windows. Sure, advocates would like you to prove to yourself that their
opinion is sound, but, well, I don't think anyone cares if you think
Linux is better than Windows, Chad. You know I spank your trolling
behind on a routine basis just for thinking Windows is better than
Linux, but most of the Penguinistas, as you call them, are just happy
using an alternative. For some reason, that bothers you.
>just want to use what's right. Penguinistas, OTOH, earned the title
>because of their militant and underground nature of attack, propaganda,
>and flame.
Put it on press-pass, Chad. You are just ridiculously full of shit.
:-D
Windows users just want to use what's right. That explains why Linux is
a cancer, I guess. Obviously, if it is a cancer, it can't be right.
Sounds more like Windownistas just want everyone to use Windows.
Guffaw.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:27 GMT
Said GreyCloud in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:53:11
>Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ed Allen
>> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > wrote
>> > > on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:01:16 GMT
>> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > > >In article
>> > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> > > >GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > >>Chad Myers wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> It's pretty standard. Anyone who is a militant rabid defender
>> > > >>> of something is generally called a <term>inista.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> -c
>> > > >>
>> > > >>Therefore, that would make you a Windowinista... Billyinista...
>> > > >>Gatesinista....
>> > > >>
>> > > > He goes by the self proclaimed title:
>> > > >
>> > > > Chad Myers, jerk.
>> > > >
>> > > > But I do like the sound of Windowinista...
>> > >
>> > > I'm not sure I do; the word sounds like it trips over its own
>> > > shoelaces.
>> > >
>> > > Multiple times.
>> > >
>> > > But it does seem to be an appropriate metaphor for Windows, which
>> > > doesn't have shoelaces but still manages to trip over them
>> > > multiple times...
>> > >
>> > > :-)
>> > >
>> > > (Pedant point: how about "Windowsinista"? Still pertty trippy, though.)
>> > >
>> > Lets try Windanista.
>>
>> It's not quite the same. You don't have rabid moronic Windows guerillas
>> who set up web sites to flame Linux in the droves that you do the
>> other way around. Windows advocates typically like Windows, keep the
>> Penguinistas from spreading too many lies, and extol the virtues of
>> Windows once in awhile. They have nothing to prove because they
>> just want to use what's right. Penguinistas, OTOH, earned the title
>> because of their militant and underground nature of attack, propaganda,
>> and flame.
>>
>> -c
>
>When is MS going to fix VC6.0?? I've had that tool for over a year now
>and no fixes.
Fuck you. It's a monopoly. Just shut up and buy more.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:28 GMT
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:52:46
>"Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <3b2612aa$0$94313$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers wrote:
>> >
>> >"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ed Allen
>> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> > wrote
>> >> > on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:01:16 GMT
>> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >> > >In article
>> >> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> > >GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > >>Chad Myers wrote:
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> It's pretty standard. Anyone who is a militant rabid defender
>> >> > >>> of something is generally called a <term>inista.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> -c
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Therefore, that would make you a Windowinista... Billyinista...
>> >> > >>Gatesinista....
>> >> > >>
>> >> > > He goes by the self proclaimed title:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Chad Myers, jerk.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > But I do like the sound of Windowinista...
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not sure I do; the word sounds like it trips over its own
>> >> > shoelaces.
>> >> >
>> >> > Multiple times.
>> >> >
>> >> > But it does seem to be an appropriate metaphor for Windows, which
>> >> > doesn't have shoelaces but still manages to trip over them
>> >> > multiple times...
>> >> >
>> >> > :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > (Pedant point: how about "Windowsinista"? Still pertty trippy, though.)
>> >> >
>> >> Lets try Windanista.
>> >
>> >It's not quite the same. You don't have rabid moronic Windows guerillas
>> >who set up web sites to flame Linux in the droves that you do the
>> >other way around. Windows advocates typically like Windows, keep the
>> >Penguinistas from spreading too many lies, and extol the virtues of
>> >Windows once in awhile. They have nothing to prove because they
>> >just want to use what's right. Penguinistas, OTOH, earned the title
>> >because of their militant and underground nature of attack, propaganda,
>> >and flame.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Microsoft executives spout an amazing range of lies about linux,
>> the GPL, free software, etc. etc. These need to be countered.
>
>Not really, you just don't like any organization which doesn't
>kiss Linus' ass. The fact is, Linux really isn't getting adopted
>in the market, it's still niche, it still has many problems
>and people know this, no Linux company is even close to making
>profit, including Red Hat, and most people consider Linux a little
>toy unix-like OS for when they don't want to pay for Solaris or
>HP-UX and yet need something similar for testing or whatnot.
Guffaw. The fact is, Microsoft is scared shitless, and knows that Linux
will be the death of them if they can't manipulate the market enough.
Tough to compete against the anti-competitive, ain't it?
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha. First, it was the Halloween Documents. Then MS
starts spreading FUD about open source. Now "Linux is a cancer."
Maybe I was mistaken. Maybe the market would have destroyed Microsoft
on its own, using GNU/Linux. But I still don't think it would have
happened had MS's monopolization not been in the public eye. Notice how
even with concrete evidence of felonious conduct, the public is merely
'a bit skeptical about their business practices.' And note how, even
with a free price tag and superior technology, the public sees the
monopoly as 'a stabilizing influence' rather than an application barrier
to prevent competition.
But both together, well, that's a one-two punch. No wonder MS is
running scared, and Chad Trollboy is riffing for all he's worth.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:29 GMT
Said Stephen S. Edwards II in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001
>"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9fngm6$obl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> >If you don't understand that, then you are a spineless
>> >coward.
>>
>> People will continue to mock you as long as you make this ridiculous
>> assosiation that those who do not claim pride or love for their country
>are
>> cowards.
>
>A person who chooses not to take sides is the very
>definition of a coward, Mr. Brown.
Bullshit. That's just the last ditch effort of an extremist to tar the
moderate with an ad hominem attack.
Being an extremist on either side is easy. It is refusing to "choose
sides" that takes courage. Be your own man.
>If you cannot
>see that, then God help you, sir.
We are told that God helps those who helps themselves. Others he
"helps" to eternal damnation. Fuck God.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:30 GMT
Said Form@C in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:09:58 GMT;
>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
><snip>
>> That is impossible. Apple makes hardware; you can't be predatory in a
>> software market if you are only making money selling hardware. Apple
>> has always had a great balance between compatibility and proprietary
>> value-add, I think.
>>
><snip>
>
>Isn't it suprising how quickly Apple supporters (in particular) have
>forgotten Apples past "dirty tricks"?
>
>Remember the hard-sector disks that Apple kept using for years after
>everyone else (almost) had ditched them?
No, I don't. When was that?
>They were a neat way of copy
>protection.
Never a problem AFAIK.
>While I'm on that subject, remember their other trick of burning a
>microscopic hole through a floppy to produce a guaranteed error at a fixed
>position on the disk? The software wouldn't run without that error... (I
>can't guarantee that this actually happened, but I did read about it
>somewhere)
Apple did this? Was this, like, Apple II or something? It certainly
sounds like some typical 'copy protection' stories from way back. It
can hardly be anti-competitive when you have competitors and they do it,
too. I remember that defeating copy protection on the C64 was a whole
industry and a major hobby for many C64 owners. They kept trying new
tricks, and we kept merrily figuring out how to crack them.
Apple has always had a great balance between compatibility and
proprietary value-add, I think. Hardly anybody makes non-PC
microcomputers these days, but Apple is still in business. Very
competitive, obviously, regardless of how many corporate myths and urban
legends and naive teleologies employed by armchair CEOs to claim
otherwise.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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