Linux-Advocacy Digest #241, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 19:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... ("Chad Myers")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Mark)
Re: Windows makes good coasters ("Christopher L. Estep")
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Windows makes good coasters ("Christopher L. Estep")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Maynard Handley)
Re: Windows makes good coasters ("Christopher L. Estep")
Re: Windows makes good coasters ("Christopher L. Estep")
Re: More funny stuff. (Mark)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (Mark)
Re: Redhat video problems. (Mark)
Re: IBM Goes Gay (pip)
Re: Linux freindly ISPs? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Edward Rosten")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Matthew
Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Maynard Handley)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Maynard Handley)
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Chris
Ahlstrom)
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:05:56 -0500
"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <3b28ba64$0$94309$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Chad Myers wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> <snip>
> >> > >
> >> > > Drugs, alcohol, sex; things are MUCH more libertarian (freedom) in
> >> > > Denmark than in the US. It's all about personal responsibility.
> >> >
> >> > And pedophilia.
> >> >
> >> > -c
> >>
> >> You say something like pedophilia and say nothing to back it up?
> >
> > I'm sorry, I'm talking about Holland, not Denmark. I missed the Denmark
> > part, I though you were still talking about Holland.
> >
> > I think I need some more coffee...
> >
> > -c
> >
> >
> Well if you define an age of consent of 16 as pedophilia you are
> absolutely right. Otherwise you are dead wrong.
>
> Hope this helps,
You mean all those kiddie pictures that the FBI keep tracking
and busting perverts in America for really AREN'T coming from
Holland? You, sir, are dead wrong. There is a thriving
pedophilia pornography industry in Amsterdam.
-c
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:04:03 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Mark
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
>on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:44:36 +0100
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>In article <3b263ea1$0$94314$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers wrote:
>>>
>>>"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>> In article <3b2612aa$0$94313$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>> >
>>>> > It's not quite the same. You don't have rabid moronic Windows guerillas
>>>> > who set up web sites to flame Linux....<rest snipped for comic effect>
>>>>
>>>> Oh no?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/NTServer/nts/news/msnw/LinuxMyths.asp
>>>
>>>Exactly what I'm talking about. Penguinistas are so far removed
>>>with the truth, that when smacked by it, they think it's flaming.
>>>
>>
>>This kind of sums up the Microsoft position. Why tell the truth
>>when a lie will do.
>>
>>I like linux because it's rarely lied about by anyone other
>>than Microsoft.
>
>Hard to lie if people poke around the source code to discover
>the truth. :-) Not exactly an option with Microsoft...
That's a great point - this is an artefact of free (GPLed) software.
--
Mark Kent
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From: "Christopher L. Estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:09:24 GMT
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 03:41:04 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Christopher L. Estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> Well, you must have done something severely wrong. Whenever I set X
> >> up, it installs and configures all by itself, no drivers needed.
> >> Windows on the other hand requires delving into the big pile of
> >> floppies looking for obscurely placed drivers just to get out of
> >> 640x480 mode.
> >
> >What version of Windows (and what hardware) forced you into that sort of
> >grief?
>
> 98SE
>
> >Since Windows 95, I have *once* had to download new video drivers for a
> >particular video card I've owned (ATI Rage for Windows NT 4) and *those*
> >were included with Service Pack 4.
> >
> >With *every* version of Windows since, the drivers were either included
with
> >the OS, or included with the hardware.
>
> Yeah, but if you've lost your disk...
Which disk? The driver disk? I grab 'em off the Web (or use the drivers
included with the OS, which are *still* better than the equivalent
included-wth-Linux drivers, in that I have more retained functionality of
the hardware).
Christopher L. Estep
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:11:16 -0500
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9garkl$ne0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3b28bdd2$0$94306$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > That's the Unix way right? Spend countless hours what takes
> > minutes in Windows.
>
> Not arguing with this.
> But keep in mind that the reverse is true as well.
How so?
-c
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From: "Christopher L. Estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:12:02 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ome.com...
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:05:17 -0400, JS \\ PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Especially if you're too fucking stupid to figure out how to download the
> driver(s) on a PC with a working network connection.
And I'm not that dense...and I have a cable modem connection at home (and
LAN access at work). In either case, all I need is (at worst) NIC support
(included with *every* OS I run) and a CD-RW disk to back them up to.
Christopher L. Estep
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Maynard Handley)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:08:35 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ketil Z Malde
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva) writes:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> I'm not sure about that. How many Linux or Mac users would switch to
> >> Windows because of it? PC users buy by default MS software anyway, so
> >> while I agree there'd be a benefit to society, I don't think it's
> >> obvious where the revenue stream for Intel/MS is.
>
> > Every upgrade means another copy of Windows, even if they install over it.
>
> Eh... I'm not sure I follow. The way it is now, I buy a new PC with
> the latest Windows on it, and spend hours moving stuff over. In an
> ideal world, I buy a new PC with the latest Windows on it, and push a
> button to automatically transfer all my stuff.
>
> I'm not sure I see why MS cares one way or another.
MS does not care. Intel cares. That was my point why I felt Intel should,
if necessary, pay MS to make this easy.
Maynard
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From: "Christopher L. Estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:16:29 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ome.com...
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:33:53 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:28:38 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ()) wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:05:17 -0400, JS \\ PL
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>>> What if the modem drivers were on the same disk!
> >>>
> >>>Then you kick yourself in the ass and buy a new modem. If your you lose
the
> >>>modem money walking to the store, you kick yourself in the ass again.
In all
> >>>above examples you can only blame....you. You 12 year olds always seem
to
> >>>think your own mistakes are someone elses fault.
> >>
> >>Especially if you're too fucking stupid to figure out how to download
the
> >>driver(s) on a PC with a working network connection.
> >
> >I was talking about a situation where the modem drivers are NOT THERE.
>
> If you're not using a winmodem (ie: brain dead piece of crap), they use
the
> hayes command set.
>
> Otherwise you should get a modem where the designers aren't in bed with
> microsoft.
I recommend *Lucent* PCI modems (where I recommend internal modems at all)
because they are supported by both Windows *and* Linux.
On top of that, I actually *build* my own PCs (as opposed to buying them
already built), and thus know *every* item that goes into them.
Further (in case you missed it) I have a *cable modem*. It's *external*,
and connected to a 3Com 3C905TX, the most supported PCI NIC on the planet
today.
Christopher L. Estep
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From: "Christopher L. Estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:18:17 GMT
"Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:byyV6.1166$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 03:41:04 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ("Christopher L. Estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > >With *every* version of Windows since, the drivers were either included
> with
> > >the OS, or included with the hardware.
> >
> > Yeah, but if you've lost your disk...
> >
> Ah, so somehow, Windows should make up for your inability to keep a
floppy,
> of course, it all makes sense now. BTW what graphics card are you actually
> using?
ATI All-In-Wonder RADEON 32 MB DDR 4X AGP, the current Swiss Army knife of
multimedia acceleration.
Christopher L. Estep
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: More funny stuff.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:09:21 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <9g91ar$jb3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <9g4kpi$p5i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>> >
>> >"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:9g4k1d$97e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> In article <9g3146$j41$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
>> >
>> >
>> >> > a.. Colleague: "Hey! I hate these Microsoft guys! What a rotten
>> >> > compiler!
>> >> > It only accepts 16,384 local variables in a function!"
>> >>
>> >> That is one of my favourite!
>> >>
>> >> 16384 local variables? What in hells name was he doing, I wonder.
>> >
>> >I don't know and I'm afraid to ask.
>> >I can't think of a single good reason why you would need so many local
>> >variables. The reason for functions is to *break* the program to little
>> >pieces, if you need many local variables, you aren't breaking it to
>little
>> >enough pieces.
>> >I mean, the human brain can only hold 7 or so items at one time, and
>> >programmers has to juggle enough in their brain as it is.
>>
>> Er, not quite. The *average* person can hold about 7 items in
>> *short-term memory* at the same time. Many people can hold twice
>> that with no problem. Mid-term and long-term memory function
>> very differently, of course, and you can always write something
>> down. Or, (pause for breath) add a comment?
>
>Yes, I should've said average here.
>
>Short term memory is the killer here, though.
>Think about accessing RAM vs HD, or better yet, floppy.
>If you don'y have something in short term memory, you need to find it,
>whatever it's in long term memory, or read it from somewhere, which mean:
>A> Your thought process is interuppted.
>B> You may forget other things that are currently in STM, which will force
>you too look for *them* :-D
>
>
Yes, that's precisely what happens.
I'd still struggle with 16384 items to remember though...
--
Mark Kent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:13:30 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>>
>> > Most of them feel its a lost cause. A lot of the poor see no difference
>> > in their lot after voting. A lot say there is no difference between a
>> > Republican and a Democrat...
>> > it's business as usual.
>> > I'm more interested in the local issues that affect me so I do vote.
>>
>> The US created that bastardised system, now its time for it to be mended. I
>> have always suggested that the US adopt the west minster style government
>> via a MMP setup.
>>
>> Matthew Gardiner
>
>
>The USA is a republic system and foremost in this system is protection
>of inalienable rights and personal liberty. Our founding fathers were
>nothing short of geniuses and I like their chosen system just fine,
>thank you!
>
Hm, I'm hoping that you're joking here? I would never suggest anyone
doesn't question their governmental system continuously. Failure
to do so will always result in far too much power lying with far too
few people.
--
Mark Kent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Redhat video problems.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:16:25 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <9g9p43$i7m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edward Rosten wrote:
>I think my main point (badly put) was that the entire network runs 64kb/s
>channels (since the speech is sampled st 64 kb/s). It would have been
>relatively easy to get more people sending data at 64 k/s and wound not
>have required any really mayor changes to the main network, but they
>bodjes it up, just like they're bodging up ASDL.
Yep.
--
Mark Kent
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:35:07 +0100
"." wrote:
> You are an idiot. This is exactly why I despise the english.
Edward is not the idiot here. It is sad that you are a blatant racist
with hugely bigoted views and uninformed opinions.
>
> > If you visit England,
>
> I lived there for some time.
I am glad that you have left
> > You are probably one of those people who thinks that you have to be from
> > "elsewhere" to have a race.
>
> No, I understand the biological definition of 'race'. Not your fake, made
> up, nationalistic version.
You understand VERY little with a small mind.
> > I wasn't accusing you of hating non caucasians. I was accusing you of
> > being racist for hating the English. There is a difference. There are
> > planty of non caucasian Englishmen.
>
> Yes, and I hate them all too. Thats why I pointed out the difference.
You are just too sad to be true.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux freindly ISPs?
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:34:49 +0100
>> Which dialup ISPs are Linux friendly, and which one do you think is the
>> best?
>
> Err......http://www.uklinux.net/
>
>> I'm moving in to a flat soon and since I have a Linux box, I need a
>> Linux friendly ISP, also, cable is not an option.
>
> Shame, I'm on NTL cable and it rocks!!!
Hmm. I've heard many bad things about NTL. the ycouldn't even get a
perfectly ordinary iMac working.
>> Also can anyone also reccomend a good external modem for Linux? I don't
>> want an internal one since they're harder to swap computers with.
>
> Check out http://lhd.datapower.com
>
>> If necessary, I can get hold of a Windows box temporarily if I need
>> that to register.
>
> Not with uklinux.net, register on-line from anywhere (internet cafe? As
> you are reading this NG I know you have access from somewhere) and then
> just copy the settings in to the configuration files.
Thanks
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:37:16 +0100
In article <3b28c6fa$0$94313$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g84lp$imm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> I think that is a good thing. A single smoker can affect many
>> >> nonsmokers around himself. it really is a very deply unpleasant
>> >> thing to put up with if your not a smoker. Basically if you're
>> >> sensitive to cigarette smoke you are completely prevented from going
>> >> to places where people are free to smoke.
>> >
>> > Exactly. This goes back to my "your freedom prevents others'
>> > freedoms". You can smoke all you want in your house or car, but don't
>> > stand right outside my office building and breathe your smoke on
>> > everyone that passes by. I have Asthma and it's a serious deal when I
>> > breathe smoke. Perhaps I'll sue the tobacco companies and get $3
>> > billion too =)
>> > (j/k).
>>
>>
>> I agree in this entirely. It is very unevnly weighted, one smoker can
>> "suppress" many other people at the same time which is why I think that
>> it should go in favour of the non smoker. I home that some time soom we
>> get really strict non smoking laws in the UK soon. Unfortunately, I
>> doubt this will be the case, but at least indoor public places are
>> mainly non smoking.
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Ha ha! LOL! We always get packets full of "Sillica Gel Do Not Eat".
>> >> Well, that's what I assume its called because that's always written
>> >> on the packets :-)
>> >
>> > I have a saying... "If there's a sign warning against it, that means
>> > someone actually tried it". Apparently, they had a problem with
>> > people
>>
>> I never thought of that, but I can see the logic.
>>
>> > eating Sillica Gel at one point. I also noticed the signs at the
>> > airport
>>
>> The mind boggles. Why on earth would people think that random products
>> came with a little bit of food for them to eat?
>
> I think it has to do more with children. My son attempts to put
> everything in his mouth. If I'm not careful to keep EVERYTHING out of
> his reach, it goes directly in his mouth. Granted, he doesn't EAT
> everything, but I could see how some children might actually think it's
> candy.
I wouldn't have thought they'd pay much attention to the "Do Not Eat"
label.
-Ed
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:40:22 +1200
Rotten168 wrote:
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
>>Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Well, well, lookie what we have here... another mullet rising up
>>>>>in the name of government handouts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for US social problems vs. what's happening in Europe, I can
>>>>>vouch for the US not experiencing genocide within her borders
>>>>>like that which is taking place in Europe today.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>What country(s) may that be?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Balkan countries.
>>>
>>>
>>They aren't in the European Union and as a result donot come under the
>>European Union's Humans Rights Act.
>>
>>Matthew Gardiner
>>
>
> Regardless, it occurred and Europeans did nothing to stop it.
>
>
THe holocast was occuring for years, business mean like Ford used forced
labour in Germany during the war, yet the US did nothing about it. So,
I'd say the US is tarnished with the same brush.
Matthew gardiner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Maynard Handley)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:43:51 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ketil Z Malde
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > willing to buy a new system, but could not be bothered to do so because
> > the cost (in TIME) of moving everything from one machine to the next is
> > too high; and that by fixing this MS (with money from Intel in necessary,
> > since Intel wins as much as MS) could do as much as anything else to
> > improved their revenue stream.
>
> I'm not sure about that. How many Linux or Mac users would switch to
> Windows because of it? PC users buy by default MS software anyway, so
> while I agree there'd be a benefit to society, I don't think it's
> obvious where the revenue stream for Intel/MS is.
I said nothing about Mac or Linus users switching to Windows. That is not
the point. The point is that if it were easier to upgrade a standard
windows box, the average consumer might do so say after 2 years of using a
box rather than after 4 years. That means a lot of revenue for Intel. In a
saturated market, which is now pretty much the case for PCs in the US, new
revenue comes from persuading people to upgrade. Anything that stands in
the way of upgrading---and the hassle of moving from one machine to
another is a big obstacle---is something that should be of immense
interest to Intel.
Look, I am making a point about the economics of PCs. This is not a point
about technology. As such, issues like how cool linux is are not really
relevant. If people want to dispute my reasoning, the points to dispute
are my claim that the mass market of consumers do not upgrade because they
perceive it to be a major hassle, or my claim that they would be more
willing to upgrade if it were less of a hassle. After all I may be wrong
in these claims---they are based on personal experience not market
research.
Maynard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Maynard Handley)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:36:32 -0700
In article <9g8jgt$gjh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bill Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> > I still don't see how cloning the disk solves my problem.
> > I don't want an IDENTICAL copy of machine A on machine B. After all,
> > machine A is running an OS from 2 yrs ago on a CPU from 4 yrs ago. I want
> > a "conceptually" identical copy, but with the OS and hardware targetted
> > bits replaced. This means doing the right thing with all the pre-loaded
> > apps along with shared material like fonts and DLLs plus, of course, the
> > registry.
>
> Perhaps you missed the post where I explained that the way to accomplish
> this (with the caveat that there may be some manual tweaking required in
> *some* cases, though in many there won't be) is then to perform an *upgrade*
> installation of your new OS version on the new hardware after moving over
> the cloned original system.
>
> Microsoft certainly attempts to make this easy, and in at least many cases
> succeeds.
I think the resolution we are coming to is that the way to do this in
pretty much any situation (Win/Mac/UNIX) is
(a) get the material from old machine to new (if necessary move the
manual disk, otherwise use some sort of file copy)
(b) install the OS that came with the new machine on top of the result
from (a)
This sounds plausible. It does not deal with some remaining amount of
hassle---meta info that may not adequately be captured by simply moving a
file system. In the case of a mac, the layout of files and finder windows
on the desktop and PRAM info, in the case of windows registry values(???).
The actual mechanics of doing this may also be sticky in terms of what is
driving the machine during the process of (a) before (b)---presumably we
will need to boot off CD rather than the internal HD.
This sounds like it works for Mac and Linux. For MS it was my
understanding that what you got with a new PC was NOT a set of disks
adequate to install the OS but something rather lighter weight which, of
course, does not allow us to preform step (b). Am I wrong in this---when
you buy a new PC with say Win2000 pre-installed, do you get a full
collection of Win2K disks which would allow you to install 2K on top of an
earlier MS OS?
Maynard
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:49:44 GMT
drsquare wrote:
>> I've just downloaded that, and I'll install it when I can get all the
> dependencies and conflicts worked out. That's the good thing about
> Windows, you just download the installation programs and install it,
> you don't have to bother about all the dependencies and package
> conflicts etc.
Unless the installation program replaces some key Windows DLLs
or mungs some Registry entry.
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