Linux-Advocacy Digest #246, Volume #26 Tue, 25 Apr 00 12:13:40 EDT
Contents:
Re: KDE is better than Gnome (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Why Linux should be pronounced with a long I (Joe Kiser)
Re: Corel Linux Office 2000 and Win32 Emulator Making Progress (Roger)
Re: MICROSOFT IT THRU! MICROSOFT IS THRU! (Alun Jones)
Re: MICROSOFT IT THRU! MICROSOFT IS THRU! (Alun Jones)
Re: Illegal to discount software - Linux is in trouble! (JEDIDIAH)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (Roger)
Re: Corel Linux Office 2000 and Win32 Emulator Making Progress (T. Max Devlin)
Re: which OS is best? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Government to break up Microsoft (Mike Marion)
Re: which OS is best? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: KDE is better than Gnome (abraxas)
Re: which OS is best? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: which OS is best? (Perry Pip)
Re: Government to break up Microsoft ("Otto")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.kde,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: KDE is better than Gnome
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:25:06 GMT
On 24 Apr 2000 22:06:31 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>> I run GNOME and KDE apps all the time without having either
>>>> 'enviroment' loaded.
>>>
>>>You do not do it without either environment installed on your machine
>>>however. They ARE there, and the programs you run do so nicely because the
>>>libs and suchness that they require are actually present.
>
>> That's true of any application, actually. Ever tried to sort out what
>> libraries a Win32 binary wants? It really makes you yearn for a Win32
>> of ldd.
>>
>
>No. I only use windows to play games actually, so the above is not actually
>nessesary.
Unless that game is statically linking everything then there is
likely going to be a use for a tool such as ldd.
>
>> Also, all the 'bloat' of the other 95% of GNOME or KDE is not present
>> and bogging your system down if the extent of your GNOME-bloat-problem
>> is a few extra shared libs and executables on your disk.
>
>I must admit that I really dont notice the 'bloat' of gnome or KDE, you're
>the one who brought it up.
Then what possible objection could there be to the 'entire desktop
enviroment' and a kitchen sink or two being installed.
>
>> If it's not loaded into RAM, then it's not an issue.
>
>My home linux box has 512 megs of ram. Its not an issue in either case.
Plenty of us could fill that physical RAM for you with Rasterman
and Mandrake being at the top of the list of course...
>
>>>
>>>> Any app that cannot do that is broken
>>>> by design. The problem lies with the individual application
>>>> programmer and not with 'choice'.
>>>
>>>I really wish youd stop using linux. You're making the rest of us look
>>>bad.
>
>> You're the MORON not me. Whining about how you need to have 20 GNOME
>> libraries sitting on your disk is hardly compelling these days.
>
>I actually wasnt whining. You're getting me confused with the poster to
>whom your original response was intended, which, infact, is not me. I dont
>care about gnome or KDE bloat. I use windowmaker w/GTK widgets.
>
>> Unless
>> you can demonstrate just what is the issue present when running the
>> GNOME panel or kfm all by their little lonesomes, then you are the
>> fool potentially embarrassing Linux users everywhere.
>
>Why should I want to do a thing like that? Again, this is your argument, not
>mine.
>
>And please, switch to windows. It really suits you better than linux does.
Would you mind actually supporting that assertion?
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From: Joe Kiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux should be pronounced with a long I
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:02:21 -0400
Streamer wrote:
>
> Nah, Let MS keep their monopoly in the dinosaur era.
DINOSAUR!!! WITH SUNGLASSES!!! AND A CUSTOMIZED RACECAR!!!
Let's petition Linus and make him change the logo.
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From: Roger <roger@.>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Corel Linux Office 2000 and Win32 Emulator Making Progress
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:13:03 GMT
On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:32:50 -0400, someone claiming to be T. Max
Devlin wrote:
>Quoting Roger from alt.destroy.microsoft; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:26:48 GMT
>>On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:21:13 -0400, someone claiming to be T. Max
>>Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Quoting Roger from alt.destroy.microsoft; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:54:36 GMT
>>>>On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:42:07 -0400, someone claiming to be T. Max
>>>>Devlin wrote:
>>>>You claim to have been forced to accept the terms of a EULA which you
>>>>as good as admit below do not exist (the terms, not the EULA.) [...]
>>>No, I didn't claim what you stated. Thank you for your time.
>>Hmmn. And conveniently clipped to hide the evidence. Here it is
>>again:
>>"I seem to recall one of those outrageously excessive clauses I was
>>forced to agree to saying something about 'you can only run this on
>>the os which we allow you to'"
>>
>>And you now deny having posted this.
>I was forced to agree to accept the terms. I said that. You said I was
>forced to accept the terms. I didn't say that. The difference, of course,
>is...
Non-existent.
Like Max's credibility.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alun Jones)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,alt.conspiracy.area51
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IT THRU! MICROSOFT IS THRU!
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:15:26 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How about the NSA backdoor in NT?
>
> Nobody seems to talk about that anymore.
Nor do people talk about the flat earth, or the inability of man to survive
travel beyond thirty miles per hour, or the fact that a craft heavier than
air cannot possibly be made to fly.
> Funny how the MS owned news services (MSNBC,CNBC,NBC,ZD) keep quit (or at
> least
> suppressed to a low rumble) on the federal case and these MS backdoors and
> vulnerabilities that people keep discovering.
Nobody ever guaranteed you an unbiased press - the freedom of the press
extends as far as the freedom to report that subset of the news which you
find to be appropriate to disseminate.
> Also of concern to me is if there is any conspiracy to have micro$oft swing
> the
> media outlets it controls to favor of the Bush campaign in return for the
> possibly having the federal case dropped against them.
Sounds like you're in need of a trip to infowars.com :-)
Alun.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alun Jones)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,alt.conspiracy.area51
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IT THRU! MICROSOFT IS THRU!
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:15:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:05:50 GMT,
> >But the reason they're telling you to delete it is completely unrelated to
> >this crazy "back door" nonsense.
>
> oh really? then why have you delete it? the buffer overflow was announced
> after the delete suggestion by M$ yes?
Hey, if someone were to publicise claims of a back door in a DLL in my own
software, and I noticed that the DLL wasn't even necessary for distributing
the software, my first response would be "sure, delete it - you don't need
it anyway".
I wonder if you've bothered to see if your web server is even _loading_ the
DLL (simple test - try and delete the DLL while the server is running;
complex test - create your own DLL under that name that logs when it runs).
Alun.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Illegal to discount software - Linux is in trouble!
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:10:33 GMT
On 24 Apr 2000 16:19:39 -0700, david parsons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>SeaDragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>From the Techweb article on proposed Microsoft remedies:
>>
>>http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20000420S0016
>>
>>"Also, the software giant may have to open its APIs and stop discounting
>>Windows to PC makers."
>>
>>Oh boy. So it's illegal to give a DISCOUNT on software? What is going
>>to happen to Linux?
No, it's illegal to DUMP software (or DRAM chips for that matter)
or to discriminatory pricing as a method of blackmail. Eliminating
price discrimination could go a long way to leveling the playing
field for smaller competitors. An OEM need not be in the position
to decide between offering more choices to their customers vs.
having their Windows licences increased by five times.
>
> It's a boundary condition; if it costs $0, the whole idea of a discount
> is meaningless.
>
>>If it is illegal for Microsoft to give a discount
>>of a few dollars, what are they going to do when they are giving away
>>Linux for FREE???
>
> Nothing. If Microsoft gives away Linux for free, it would be fairly
> meaningless for them to offer discounts to vendors who don't ship
> Netscape with their boxes.
[deletia]
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From: Roger <roger@.>
Crossposted-To: alt.lang.basic,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:15:43 GMT
On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:31:41 -0400, someone claiming to be T. Max
Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Quoting Roger from alt.destroy.microsoft; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:28:35 GMT
>>Max [...]
>Has it escaped your notice that I'm extremely BORED with your repetitious use
>of third person narrative style? I mean, seriously, stop BORING me.
Were I posting for your benefit, and were I asked nicely, I might.
As it is: I'm not, and I haven't been, and I shan't.
I shall continue to point out your errors of fact and logic as I see
fit.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Corel Linux Office 2000 and Win32 Emulator Making Progress
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:18:46 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoting Roger from alt.destroy.microsoft; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:13:03 GMT
>On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:32:50 -0400, someone claiming to be T. Max
>Devlin wrote:
[...]
>>I was forced to agree to accept the terms. I said that. You said I was
>>forced to accept the terms. I didn't say that. The difference, of course,
>>is...
>
>Non-existent.
I'm sorry, you may feel otherwise, but the semantic difference between these
two similar phrases, "forced to agree to accept" and "forced to accept", is
not, in fact, non-existent.
>Like Max's credibility.
So says Roger. Which makes this a relatively boring and tired statement.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:39:50 -0500
On 23 Apr 2000 23:55:41 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>A typical Linux user would find out for himself...
>>
>>Exactly. And that mentality is part of the reason Linux as still seen
>>as a "for geeks only" OS.
>
>There is nothing wrong with knowing how to reach under the
>hood and check your own oil. Linux distributions just include
>the whole toolbox. Users of other systems may get the idea
>that there are no user-servicable parts inside.
Of course. However, it does *significantly* limit the audience.
>>>You can either remove the mention of /lib/security/pam_securetty.so
>>>from /etc/pam.d/login or add a bunch of /dev/ttypn (n= 0 to 20 or so...)
>>>entries to /etc/securetty.
>>
>>No linuxconf entries then? :)
>
>No, if you use linuxconf, you let it make your choices for you and
>it choose not to change that.
>
>>Say, is there a reason that the anonymous FTP login is absolutely
>>powerless in wuftp? Even using webmin to change things around, it's
>>just useless - making a symlink to, say, /mnt/cdrom/RedHat works if I
>>log in as a normal Linux user to the FTP server, but if I log in as
>>anonymous, I can't CD to the symlink.
>
>It does a chroot() to the ftp user's home directory for security
>reasons and thus can't follow symlinks pointing above there.
>You can mount the cd below /home/ftp if you want it to be
>accessed.
I did. I put it as a symlink at /home/ftp/pub/redhat -> /mnt/cdrom,
and both that dir and (of course) /mnt/cdrom were wide open. Still no
joy - I can log in as a Linux user to the FTP server and see the CD,
but anon can't. Any ideas?
>> Other examples: I can make
>>virtual dirs (which are supposed to be open to all users - including
>>anon) and CD to them with a user's login, but as anon, doesn't work.
>>Even making the anon root dir to /mnt/cdrom/RedHat causes anon to then
>>log into a completely empty directory.
>
>You need /bin/ls to appear under the chroot point to be able to
>view files (you could transfer without it). You might be
>better off with proftpd as a replacement if you don't like the
>stock setup. It doesn't need the chroot tree to restrict
>users.
I'll check it out. Thanks!
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:40:34 GMT
Otto wrote:
> You're wrong on couple of counts here. Windows is still better than any
> other OSs for desktop and some respect servers also. SQL server can stand on
Windows is not "better" than any other OS for desktops. I have two machines in
my office: An Ultra 2 running Solaris, and an NT box (P3-500). I do about 97%
of my work on the Solaris box. The only reason I even have an NT box is because
the client for our trouble-ticket system only exists for NT anymore.
Windows might be "better" for specific people in specific circumstances.. but no
OS is perfect for everyone in every setting.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
AJ - "Ye GODS! NT crashed the microwave!"
Pitr - " Hmmm. Am thinkink we should put Elder Sign seal on microwave now. Leave
alone." -- User Friendly 2/28/1999.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:51:40 GMT
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:39:50 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 23 Apr 2000 23:55:41 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>>A typical Linux user would find out for himself...
>>>
>>>Exactly. And that mentality is part of the reason Linux as still seen
>>>as a "for geeks only" OS.
>>
>>There is nothing wrong with knowing how to reach under the
>>hood and check your own oil. Linux distributions just include
>>the whole toolbox. Users of other systems may get the idea
>>that there are no user-servicable parts inside.
>
>Of course. However, it does *significantly* limit the audience.
No it doesn't. It doesn't any more limit the audience than does
the fact that a Ford or a Benz is a relatively open system that
can be serviced by the end user or one of thousands of special
purpose consultants.
[deletia]
>>It does a chroot() to the ftp user's home directory for security
>>reasons and thus can't follow symlinks pointing above there.
>>You can mount the cd below /home/ftp if you want it to be
>>accessed.
>
>I did. I put it as a symlink at /home/ftp/pub/redhat -> /mnt/cdrom,
>and both that dir and (of course) /mnt/cdrom were wide open. Still no
...had no problems whatsoever doing such a 'trick' for either
apache or ftpd. I've done network installs using mountpoints
in either daemon's filespace.
Although, that's not what this fellow to do. There's a difference
between a symlink and a mount point.
>joy - I can log in as a Linux user to the FTP server and see the CD,
>but anon can't. Any ideas?
Try loosening the permissions.
[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.kde,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: KDE is better than Gnome
Date: 25 Apr 2000 02:08:48 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>No. I only use windows to play games actually, so the above is not actually
>>nessesary.
> Unless that game is statically linking everything then there is
> likely going to be a use for a tool such as ldd.
So far theres been no need at all.
>>I must admit that I really dont notice the 'bloat' of gnome or KDE, you're
>>the one who brought it up.
> Then what possible objection could there be to the 'entire desktop
> enviroment' and a kitchen sink or two being installed.
I have no such objection; I simply do not install what I do not use.
>>> If it's not loaded into RAM, then it's not an issue.
>>
>>My home linux box has 512 megs of ram. Its not an issue in either case.
> Plenty of us could fill that physical RAM for you with Rasterman
> and Mandrake being at the top of the list of course...
I avoid Rasterman software at all costs. :)
For my linux purposes, which are entirely workstation oriented, I have
a difficult time filling up 512 megs of ram even with my current setup...
Lets take a look at some of the more ram-hungry processes:
3 Eterms
31 rxvts
1 xterm
1 netscape 4.7
1 netscape 4.72 (4 windows)
xmms
X
21 various windowmaker docapps
Gimp (5 files open, ive had up to 300 experimentally--thats when it starts
to show)
xchat
tin
3 pines
6 ssh sessions
httpd
xfs
wmaker
2 screen sessions
The largest memory hog of them all of course is X, and it seems to be taking
up about 71 megs at the moment.
Again, I have no worries about running out of ram, and when it eventually
does happen, I'll get more.
>>Why should I want to do a thing like that? Again, this is your argument, not
>>mine.
>>
>>And please, switch to windows. It really suits you better than linux does.
> Would you mind actually supporting that assertion?
You are argumentative, you seem to mistakenly believe that many more people
disagree with you than actually do, you only occasionally back up your
statements with fact and you have a silly email address.
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:14:26 -0500
On 24 Apr 2000 01:01:22 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>Only if the users have root. Doing that is exactly like letting
>>>them run a trusted PDC - that's just the way the model works.
>>
>>The problem is that then you have security flaws on any of thousands
>>of machines, whereas in the NT model, it isn't the machine that's the
>>potential problem - it's the user.
>
>In practice, security flaws are unpredictable. You don't know
>which element will be impersonated.
>>And removing users from the NT
>>Admin list is trivial. NFS's "trust the machine, not the user" is
>>weird.
>
>It is in the context of a single-user PC. The NFS design
>relates better to large multi-user hosts where a trusted
>administrator controls the machine - but that was the normal
>case when NFS was designed.
I think it's safe to say that's not the case anymore.
>>>What's an MSKB and how many machines do you have to deploy to
>>>make this worthwhile? Does it solve the problem of being able
>>>to reproduce a setup that has been tweaked and tuned over some
>>>period of time, or do I have to go back and find every setting
>>>and manually enter it into this scriptable setup? I want to
>>>propagate the incremental improvements not clone beta-version-1.
>>
>>MSKB is Microsoft's Knowledge Base, a wonderful resource, online, in
>>which you can find all kinds of things. I desperately wish Linux had
>>something similar, as it would save me hours upon hours of trying
>>things out and fiddling - not to mention it would save a dozen (today
>>alone) posts to the newsgroups (not just this one) asking what are,
>>for the most part, questions that could and should be on an online
>>database. support.microsoft.com will get you most of the way there.
>
>Oh - the only useful thing I ever found there was a question
>about making WLBS (load balancing) work and the answer was
>something like 'if it doesn't work, try a different NIC'
>which turned out to be the right answer but not quite the
>technical detail I was trying to find. Linux programs have
>much more information available, but you need a broader scope
>for the search. First try the HOWTO's for overviews/examples
>and the man/info pages for more depth, then a search on dejanews,
>then look for a mailing list for the specific program(s). Most
>of the mailing lists have searchable archives so you don't have
>to subscribe to find answers to common questions.
Been there, done that. The HOWTOs in particular are helpful -- if
everything goes right and works as it should. For example, I can't
make RH5.2 floppies boot on my laptop (something about the very first
.img file it attempts to load..doesn't), an old 486 I'd like to run
X-terminals on, but it will boot fine with RH6.2 or SuSe 6.3 floppies.
However, doing so doesn't allow me to access the 'net - with an
NE2000, 3C589, or Ethernet II NIC. So far I've not found a source for
information on this problem. It seems the NIC is found, but I get TX
errors (if I ctl-alt-F3 or F4, depending on the distribution, SuSe or
RH) throughout - every time I try to mount an NFS share or FTP share
during the floppy install process. The NIC appears to have the right
modules loaded, and the LINK light turns on and the activity light
flashes from time to time (directly corresponding to when I hit enter
to start the connection attempt) but alas, no go.
Sigh....
DC
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:08:49 GMT
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:39:50 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 23 Apr 2000 23:55:41 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
>>
>>>Say, is there a reason that the anonymous FTP login is absolutely
>>>powerless in wuftp? Even using webmin to change things around, it's
>>>just useless - making a symlink to, say, /mnt/cdrom/RedHat works if I
>>>log in as a normal Linux user to the FTP server, but if I log in as
>>>anonymous, I can't CD to the symlink.
>>
>>It does a chroot() to the ftp user's home directory for security
>>reasons and thus can't follow symlinks pointing above there.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>You can mount the cd below /home/ftp if you want it to be
>>accessed.
>
>I did. I put it as a symlink at /home/ftp/pub/redhat -> /mnt/cdrom,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and both that dir and (of course) /mnt/cdrom were wide open. Still no
>joy - I can log in as a Linux user to the FTP server and see the CD,
>but anon can't. Any ideas?
You didn't read what he said! A sysmlink won't work. You have to have the
actual mount point below /home/ftp, i.e.:
mount /dev/cdrom /home/ftp/pub/redhat
Though you'll probably want to edit your /etc/fstab to replace /mnt/cdrom
with /home/ftp/pub/redhat
Perry
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From: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:16:43 GMT
"JEDIDIAH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:03:24 GMT, Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >To continue, if MS Office is broken into a separate company they are also
> >free not to port to any other platforms. Evidently people like Microsoft
so
>
> They also may face stockholder lawsuits if they do so. The fate
> of msoffice would no longer be diluted by it's assocation to the
> other parts of the MS Borg cube.
They also may stay a single company for all we know at the moment. Justice
has funny ways in the US.
>
> >much that they want to double their pleasure :). The two "new" CEO will
be
> >Gates for one company and Ballmer is for the other compant. Yeah, that'll
> >make a lot of difference....
> >
> >You're wrong on couple of counts here. Windows is still better than any
> >other OSs for desktop and some respect servers also. SQL server can stand
on
>
> No it isn't. NeXT and Macintosh have always been better as
> desktops. What DOS and it's decendants claim is having the
> most/all available applications. Depending on what you do
> with your computer, this can be of dubious value.
Quality is not the issue here usability is.
>
> >its own merritt, no need to subsidize it. Have you looked at the TPC-C
> >performance results lately?
>
> Yup. It depends heavily on clustering and it's competitor numbers
> are a bit dated. Nevermind that this test doesn't measure those
> things which typically drive the enterprise DBA: data integrity and
> uptime.
Sour grapes, pulling the uptime card again? Do you need the advantages of
clustered environment spelled out?
>
> >
> >http://www.tpc.org/new_result/ttperf.idc
> >
> >That's nice, software companies aren't willing to write programs for
other
> >platforms and it is Microsoft's fault.
>
> Sure it is. Microsoft has done it's best to ensure that alternate
> platforms don't take hold, sometimes actively sabotaging them.
> This was addressed in the last DOJ action against M$ as well as
> this one.
The last DOJ action resulted in a slap on wrist and so will this one.
>
> >Again, would that really make a difference? Would most of the user turn
to
> >other platforms even if the software available for it? It is also
>
> Apple seems to manage. Despite the fact that there has been no
> great inrush of end user applications, they seem to be experiencing
> a renaisance of source. So apparently there are a good chunk of end
> users that don't quite need or care about that other 95% of a CompUSA
> or MicroCenter.
And that "good chunk" is what, 5%?
>
> >It's been suggested long time ego, but there were no takers.
>
> Actually, quite a few companies are taking up the challenge.
And most of those companies are just like Corel, which tried to revitalize
their WorldPerfect by making it available for Linux. After it bombed on the
Windows platform.
Otto
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