Linux-Advocacy Digest #251, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 00:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Here's a switch for a change (Greg Cox)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when (Rotten168)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Rotten168)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("JS \\ PL")
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Rotten168)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Rotten168)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Rotten168)
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Neil Ellwood)
Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (x@x)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Rotten168)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Rotten168)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the (Colin Day)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Greg Cox)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Rotten168)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (drsquare)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare)
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From: Greg Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Here's a switch for a change
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:16:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg Cox wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >says...
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg Cox wrote:
> >> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >says...
> >> >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:37:42 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> > "Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >> On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:12:04 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:9frbdu$5ku4u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >> >> > He's demanding to talk to the store manager because Windows wiped out
> >> >> >> >> > all of his data which contained some kind of a web based research
> >> >> >> >> > project (best I could gather in between screams).
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I'd like to have been there and heard the manager try to explain that
> >> >> > not
> >> >> >> >> only was his data permanently gone with no chance of compensation but
> >> >> > he
> >> >> >> >> couldn't have a refund on the software because he agreed to the
> >> >> > no-refunds
> >> >> >> >> clause in the EULA when he installed the product. - but he could have
> >> >> >> >> another copy of the same product in exchange.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > There is no such clause in the EULA, in fact MS offers a 30 day money
> >> >> > back
> >> >> >> > guarantee on retail software.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> which if you try to collect (on the os that came shipped with your PC)
> >> >> >> they refuse, say that you have to collect from the manufacturer of the
> >> >> >> PC.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The OS that ships with the PC is an OEM, not a retail copy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If you try to bring back your AC Delco radio, I'm sure Delco will likely
> >> >> > laugh at you.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> In the windows EULA, it says that if you don't agree to it, you should
> >> >> return it for a refund, which M$ refuses to pay. If I bought a radio
> >> >> which turned out to be a piece of sh!t, I'd return it, but I can't seem
> >> >> to do the same thing with windows, why is that Eric?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Why is this so hard for people to understand? If you buy Microsoft
> >> >software at a retail store and the EULA says you can return it for a
> >> >refund then you can return it for a refund either at the store you got
> >> >it from or directly from Microsoft. As far as I know no one has ever
> >> >been denied a refund in this retail situation.
> >>
> >> You've obviously never heard of Windows Refund day then. I think it
> >> was last year when a guy in australia bought a Toshiba laptop, and
> >> took back the windows for a refund. The store *refused*. He took
> >> it up with Toshiba. Toshiba *refused*. He ended up taking the
> >> issue to Toshiba's headquarters, afairc, before getting anywhere.
> >>
> >> He certainly did not get anything from Microsoft, they *refused*,
> >> saying it was Toshiba's problem, and nothing from the store.
> >
> >Exactly. It IS Toshiba's problem. That's one of the responsibilities
> >Toshiba took on, along with support, for getting a cheap price on the OS.
> >It's part of the OEM contract between Microsoft and Toshiba.
>
> To charge for windows even if it is not supplied, as far as I recall.
>
> >
> >>
> >> > If you bought a computer
> >> >that had Microsoft software included with an OEM based EULA then you need
> >> >to go to the manufacturer of the computer to get a refund. This is the
> >> >exact same situation I was in when I bought my Toyata pickup. It had a
> >> >radio as standard equipment. I didn't want it (I wanted a Clarion
> >> >radio/CD player instead) and asked for a refund. The dealer not only
> >> >said they wouldn't give me a refund for a standard equipment item but
> >> >would have to charge me mechanic's time to remove the radio. Do you
> >> >honestly believe the manufacturer of my pickup's radio is responsible to
> >> >give me the refund if I ask for it?
> >>
> >>
> >> You don't need to have the radio removed, just order the vehicle without
> >> the radio fitted. In any area other than Microsoft's, this is possible.
> >
> >No, I couldn't do that. What part of "standard equipment" didn't you
> >understand? It is not possible to order that vehicle without a
> >factory installed radio. This is very common in the US, especially for
> >Japanese vehicles.
>
> Surely you get a choice of radios? As with all the other options? If
> you're not getting the choice of fittings you want, go to another
> supplier. In the car world, there is competition and choice, unlike
> in the computing desktop world. You really do not need to stay in
> the same showroom!
>
> >
> >> The problem with PCs is that Microsoft have forced most if not all
> >> major vendors to pay them a sum of money when they sell a pc, whether
> >> it has windows installed or not. This means that the manufacturers of
> >> these machines simply do not ship without windows. In the case of
> >> a car and a radio, you have a choice. When Microsoft are involved,
> >> you have no choice.
> >>
> >
> >
> >As per the explination above, my analogy fits the situation.
> >
>
> No, because as I said above, you have choice of car supplier, choice
> of dealer. You have the money, you are in charge, you can ask for
> what you want. In OSs, you have no choice, because all you get to
> do is pay microsoft whether you want their OS or not.
>
If the choice of the radio was important enough and/or costly enough to
outweigh the advantages of the Toyota I was interested in I'd go to
another manufacturer. To quote you "You have the money, you are in
charge". Follow your own advice "You really do not need to stay in
the same showroom!". If the OS the computer comes with is important
enough and/or costly enough to outweigh the advantages of the computer
you want, find a dealer that offers a computer with your choice of OS.
Almost every local non-chain computer store that I've visited will build
a custom computer on request. Or you could go mail order. You DO have
a choice.
--
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:28:25 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> Rotten168 wrote:
>
> > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> >
> >>Thaddius Maximus wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Well, well, lookie what we have here... another mullet rising up
> >>>>>in the name of government handouts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>As for US social problems vs. what's happening in Europe, I can
> >>>>>vouch for the US not experiencing genocide within her borders
> >>>>>like that which is taking place in Europe today.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>What country(s) may that be?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Balkan countries.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>They aren't in the European Union and as a result donot come under the
> >>European Union's Humans Rights Act.
> >>
> >>Matthew Gardiner
> >>
> >
> > Regardless, it occurred and Europeans did nothing to stop it.
> >
> >
>
> THe holocast was occuring for years, business mean like Ford used forced
> labour in Germany during the war, yet the US did nothing about it. So,
> I'd say the US is tarnished with the same brush.
>
> Matthew gardiner
No doubt... but no one is innocent. What's important is that it doesn't
happen again.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:31:04 GMT
Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>
> Rotten168 wrote:
> >
> > The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> > >
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote
> > > on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:39:27 GMT
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Because there was no point?
> > > >
> > > >Jealousy is an ugly thing...
> > > >
> > >
> > > No, I think he's right; I'm not sure there was any economic point
> > > to continuing our manned moon program. It might have been good
> > > for national pride, however -- and who knows what tech might
> > > now be available had we done so. However, most of that tech apparently
> > > could be developed right here on Earth (for example, closed-air
> > > circulation systems would be just as useful on submarines),
> > > and the only advantage of space appears to be growing purer
> > > forms of various substances, such as medicinal drugs and
> > > perhaps iron crystals, which don't require moon travel, merely
> > > space (specifically, low-Earth-orbit) travel.
> >
> > The mission to the moon made no sense economically really. There are, I
> > believe, huge amounts of iron and silicon on the moon, but I'm not too
> > sure those are in short supply here. The entire core of the earth is
> > iron after all.
> >
>
> Ahhhh... give it a rest, already. We went to the moon because it was
> there! Mankind has wonderd about the moon for ages so it was only
> natural that we went there once we had the technology to do so.
>
> It was a milestone.
>
> ....
I agree.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:31:27 -0400
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:05:32 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> >I knew you were lying. But I also know your still lying. That's pretty
> >sad.
> >> >Saying you have a SMALLER system than you actually have. Pathetic.
> >>
> >> You'd prefer it if I said I had a BIGGER system than I actually had?
> >> Wouldn't that be even MORE pathetic?
> >
> >I'd prefer that you didn't lie. Now go to your room.
>
> What the hell are you on?
I said get your ass in your room, for the rest of the day!
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:32:36 GMT
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> Did you know that out here in AZ, we actually had a Rep.
> advocating the idea of having a "state dirt"? I couldn't
> believe that one. Another case of a pot-smoking lib
> dressing like a Rep, IMHO.
What's your beef with pot?
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:33:29 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> >>I don't think he's referring to the current state, or the
> >>way things were way back when. I think he's referring to
> >>the ideas and ideals that are genius. In such a case, I
> >>would agree, to the logical extent that such ways are the
> >>most realistic ideals to date.
> >>
> >>It is my contention that most politicians, be they
> >>Democrat, or Republican, are fscking morons. Look
> >>at how McCain has been waffling along. IMHO, Bush
> >>just happens to be one of the few exceptions to the
> >>rule.
> >>
> >>Did you know that out here in AZ, we actually had a Rep.
> >>advocating the idea of having a "state dirt"? I couldn't
> >>believe that one. Another case of a pot-smoking lib
> >>dressing like a Rep, IMHO.
> >>
> >
> > I just think that McCaine has a grudge against bush.
> >
> >
>
> I remember, when Bill Clinton went for his second term, there was a dim
> witt who wanted to close the US up, vitually make it an eastern block
> because "foreign competition was taking jobs away from US citizens".
>
> Someone should have really smacked the guy in the head with a reality stick.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
I think you're talking about Buchanan. Yes, the man is a clown... no one
took him seriously, don't worry.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:41:24 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> >>>>You think conservatives want people to become educated?
> >>>>Look at their education bills. They don't want you to have a clue about the
> >>>>true history of this country. Because if you did, you'd realize what true
> >>>>scoundrels they are. You sound as if you are their poster boy.
> >>>>
> >>>>You need to hit the books pal, and open your mind.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>For the first time in 8 years the USA has an education policy
> >>>under the Bush Administration. Under the Clinton Administration
> >>>the education policy consisted of nothing more than Slick Willie
> >>>chasing school girls his daughter's age.
> >>>
> >>Oh yeah, and removing all trace of religious freedom at the local
> >>level, not to mention spreading abortion propaganda and sex
> >>education which consisted of teachers encouraging students to
> >>lie on top of each other.
> >>
> >>-c
> >>
> >
> > Man, things sure have changed since I was in school!
> >
>
> I'm not too sure about the US education system, but could someone please
> go into detail on how/why it has degraded?
>
> Matthew Gardiner
Hmmm... IMO it's more of a cultural thing than anything else... but it's
not really 'cool' for kids to be engaged by school... kids believe that
getting grades and getting into college are more important than
learning, so they cheat/float by.
Also, kids get cynical by low teacher/child ratios. One huge problem is
that parents are apathetic and would rather watch Survivor than go to
PTA meetings, and they take teacher criticism of their children as
insults and get defensive and work against the teacher rather than with
them.
My mom is a teacher so I should know.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Neil Ellwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 04:03:00 -0400
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> dependencies and conflicts worked out. That's the good thing about
>> Windows, you just download the installation programs and install
>> it, you don't have to bother about all the dependencies and package
>> conflicts etc.
>
> Unless the installation program replaces some key Windows DLLs
> or mungs some Registry entry.
>
I know what you mean.
I have a win printer (panasonic KX-P6300) that prints beautifully BUT
windows keeps losing the dll but now that I have Mandrake 8.0 I
normally just use the canon 3000 that I have via pci printer port (
also connected to wifes comp via usb) and only reinstall windows when
several things go walkabout.
--
Neil
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From: x@x <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks.
Date: 14 Jun 2001 20:02:46 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Zsolt says...
>
>top@pp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 14 Jun 2001 00:12:49 -0700 presented us with
>the wisdom:
>Nope.
>I just clicked on the link, running Mandrake 7.2, reading this with KNode,
>so it brings up Konqueror as a browser and that has no problem whatsoever.
>I see all the adds, forms etc. the links work also - didn't get any error
>message...
>
>What browser did you try to use ?
using netscape on linux you get the error.
Ok, tried konq. Yes I do not see the error. But no movies are played.
I click to play the movies, but nothing plays. I boot windows and
try the same, and the movie plays.
lets face it, browing the net on linux is a pain. I boot windows now
just to browse the net. when done browing, I boot linux.
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:51:57 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <3b28ba64$0$94309$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> Chad Myers wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > "Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > <snip>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Drugs, alcohol, sex; things are MUCH more libertarian (freedom) in
> > >> > > Denmark than in the US. It's all about personal responsibility.
> > >> >
> > >> > And pedophilia.
> > >> >
> > >> > -c
> > >>
> > >> You say something like pedophilia and say nothing to back it up?
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, I'm talking about Holland, not Denmark. I missed the Denmark
> > > part, I though you were still talking about Holland.
> > >
> > > I think I need some more coffee...
> > >
> > > -c
> > >
> > >
> > Well if you define an age of consent of 16 as pedophilia you are
> > absolutely right. Otherwise you are dead wrong.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
>
> You mean all those kiddie pictures that the FBI keep tracking
> and busting perverts in America for really AREN'T coming from
> Holland? You, sir, are dead wrong. There is a thriving
> pedophilia pornography industry in Amsterdam.
>
> -c
This is a place that's extremely dangerous to go... but... I think that
you're talking about statutory rape which is different than pedophilia.
But, if the age of consent there is 16, then that's what it is. If a
non-American believed that the age of consent was 21 and your wife was
20, how would you react to him calling you a pedophile?
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:55:49 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> it is true that the Japanese had developed a bomb. However, the them or
> >> us is bollocks because the Japanese had no air force left and hence no
> >> delivery mecanism for the bomb.
> >
> > Right they didn't have a single plane that could've slipped through our
> > air defenses... rrrrright.
> >
> > AFAIK they continued to carry out kamikaze attacks up until the end.
>
> Kamikaze attacks are rather easier since it doesn't require the pilot to
> survive. Getting a plane all the way to the US from Japan witha nuclear
> payload would have been an impossible task since they were a bit lacking
> in really long range planes.
>
> The US had radar, so a large, slow long range bomber would have been
> spotted and shot down very quickly.
>
> -Ed
True... the Japanese did have submarine lauchable planes however, but
I'm not sure if they could've carried something as big and heavy as an
A-bomb.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Colin Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:05:21 -0400
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >
> >Hahahahahah
> >
> >Oh yeah XP is a killer OS alright ;-)
>
> Well, NT at one point was supposed to kill Unix. (Somehow, I don't
> think it quite succeeded in its objective...)
>
> :-)
>
Does NT even have a kill command? Can't kill much without
a kill command.
Colin Day
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From: Greg Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 04:03:03 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Chad Myers wrote:
> > Oh yes, this "Enterprise Linux" running on a bunch of home-grown
> > boxes. I'm glad I'm not an employee of one of those companies. I'd
> > have to use my stock options as toilet paper because it'd be cheaper.
> >
> > -c
>
> Your stock options are almost toilet paper as it is, seeing that from
> over a year ago MS stock lost 2/3 of its value.
>
>
Considering Microsoft's all time high was about 116 and closed today at
68.90 it's lost 41%, not 2/3. Of course, if we look at Redhat, its lost
96%, VA Linux has lost 99%, Sun has lost 76%, Oracle has lost 68%, and
IBM has lost 16%. Looking at those numbers, Microsoft doesn't seem so
bad off to me.
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 04:04:48 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> I have a growing suspicion that you don't know what the word "liberal"
> >> means.
> >
> > I have a growing suspicion that you don't know who liberals are.
>
> You have absoloutely no idea what liberals are about. You seem to think
> it is some passive middleground adopted by people who have no forceful
> opinions. You are completely wrong.
>
> -Ed
I think that the simple fact of the matter is that there are many
contradictory definitions of 'liberal' and they are all right.
Conservatives use the word 'liberal' to refer to lefties here in
America. I'm not sure how or why that started but it stuck. I think that
the early liberals where romantic, emotional, dramatic... and despised
by the federalist conservatives (Jefferson was an early liberal). I
suppose that may be why, considering the philistine nature of
contemporary conservatives.
It's fair to say that the textbook definition of liberal is more akin to
a libertarian in the contemporary world... people who believe in as
little government intervention as humanly possible. There was a famous
article by a libertarian which was entitled "Why I am not a
conservative"... he objected to the term 'conservative' because he
wanted things to change.
Just another USENET battle over semantics.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:13:28 +0100
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:49:43 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I've managed to get usable xterms with twm and Xfree 3 running on a 386
>> machine. It's not really quick, but it does work.
>>
>Yes, it was like wading through treacle. I like my GUI to be a bit
>snappier.
In that case use X. Windows will run like a dead whale.
>> >That's fine for me, I work with computers for a living, I can figure it
>out.
>> >Not so good for ordinary Joe User though
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Why not?
>
>Joe User had enough trouble using DOS, bash is more complicated
If anyone has trouble using DOS, they're not fit to sit in front of a
computer.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:13:27 +0100
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:40:02 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Sony playstation PS2 costs less than that, and plays to a TV screen
>> properly. Cold hard fact. And you can play games on it (hey, just
>> like XP, only *much* cheaper).
>>
>I would rather have a GameCube, its cheaper.
And not out yet.
>> Linux has DVD support for several drives, details are in the HOWTO.
>> This has been available since before XP had a day one.
>>
>True, if you want DATA only, I want to play movies.
Then buy a DVD player.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:13:28 +0100
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:56:29 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED] ()) wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:55:26 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>Otherwise you should get a modem where the designers aren't in bed with
>>>>>microsoft.
>>>>
>>>>Which is yet more money.
>>>
>>>Some of us have the means to acquire $30.
>>
>>And some of us have better things to spend �30 on than things that
>>shouldn't have to be done in the first place.
>
>and would rather whine and bitch, valueing one's time at $2/hr.
What the hell are you talking about?
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