Linux-Advocacy Digest #258, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 08:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows makes good coasters ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Nick
Condon)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
(Nick Condon)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS!!!!!!!! (Dan Pidcock)
Re: *Newbie* Linux/Windows 98 Dual Boot ("Stuart Fox")
Re: What does XP stands for ??? ("Stuart Fox")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("David Brown")
Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Fernandinande Le Mur)
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Chris
Ahlstrom)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: MSnbc calls MS on MS's FUD campain! (Chris Ahlstrom)
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:53:56 +1200
"Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:49:43 +1200,
> >
> > Joe User had enough trouble using DOS, bash is more complicated
> >
> >
> Howso?
> Dos lacks up-arrow command history
Doskey can be loaded.
> and command search,
What do you mean?
> this makes DOS
> *harder* to use.
> Dos is a single user system, this makes Dos *harder* to use.
When I'm in a directory in DOS and want to run an executable in that
directory, I type the name of that executable. When I use bash, I have to
do ./executable
DOS is stupider than bash, which tends to make it easier to get a working
knowledge faster (less commands to remember)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:58:57 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
>Liberals? What are you on about. I think the US and UK definition of
>Liberal must differ somewhat since you attribute many evils to them which
>are completely unrealated, even oppersite to the things liberals here
>want.
Yeah, when Americans say "liberal" they mean something like "socialist".
They can't say "socialist" because they've already warped that to mean
"communist", which of course has been twisted to mean "unamerican".
Unfortunately, it leaves no word for them to describe what we would call
liberals. Libertarians are almost there, but have some illiberal kinks.
--
Nick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: 15 Jun 2001 11:03:41 GMT
Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>We (USA) do NOT have a representative democracy.
Really? Better go and tell the occupants of the House of Representives to
go home then.
>We (USA) have a constitutionally limited republic!
Why not do both?
--
Nick
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:29:46 +0100
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > The term "representative democracy" was devised by the democratic party
> > and the tabloid press. Repeat an error often enough and long enough and
> > people will start to believe in the big lie.
>
> BS. It is a description of a system where a buncha of representatives
> are elected (democratically) to run the country.
>
Give it a rest Ed. The fact that the people of the US choose representatives
is not indicative of a "representative democracy." For the US to be a
"representative democracy" the elected representatives would have to consult
the people on each and every matter and cast their vote accordingly. This
is clearly NOT the case in the US.
In a "representative democracy" sovereign power resides in and is exercised
by the whole body of free citizens through represenatives. This is clearly
NOT the case in the US.
Yes, in both systems there are representatives elected by the people, but in
the US sovereign power does not reside in, nor is it exercised by the whole
body of free citizens. The US is clearly NOT a "representative democracy."
We have "representatives" but this does not make the US a "representative
democracy."
> The confusion is that "democracy"=="representative democracy" which is not
> true.
>
The only confusion lies in your incorrect understanding of the US
form of government. We have no democracy in the US, we are a Republic!
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:04:41 +0100
"Dr S.J. Cornell" wrote:
>
> Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >
> > "Dr S.J. Cornell" wrote:
> > > Time to inject some facts, from
> > > http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/indexfld.html
> > >
> > > Different statistics come from different years, but I think the results
> > > are sufficiently marked to be robust.
> > >
> > > United Kingdom:
> > > ---------------
> > > Ecomomic aid: ODA, $3.4 billion (1997)
> > > Population: 59,511,464 (July 2000 est.)
> > > GDP: purchasing power parity - $1.29 trillion (1999 est.)
> > >
> > > Overseas aid per capita: $57
> > > Fraction of GDP spent on overseas aid: 0.26%
> > >
> > > USA:
> > > ----
> > > Economic aid: ODA, $6.9 billion (1997)
> >
> > This figure is flat-out wrong. The USA foreign aid is 14.1 billion USD.
> >
>
> Ok, *you* go out and get the correct figures, fully referenced. I was
> quoting from your government's website.
Thanks for the offer Doc, but an educated fellow like yourself should
have no problem with a search engine.
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:39:32 +0100
Mart van de Wege wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Burkhard W�lfel"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > I agree. The Netherlands are very progressive. Very positive and
> > optimistic too, as far as I know some.
> >
> Nah Burkhard,
>
> You must not spend your holidays in our coastal provinces then? About the
> only good words we have for Germans is that they spend a lot of Marks :)
> Don't worry though, I have learned the distinction between Germans and
> tourists. Germans are ok, but tourists are the scum of the earth :)
> Unfortunately not everyone in my home province can see the difference, so
> the damn tourists make sure every year that a particular dislike for
> Germans keeps existing. Sorry about that.
>
> Mart
I can see that this EU thing is going to work out just fine and dandy
for you boys! lol !!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pidcock)
Subject: Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS!!!!!!!!
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:18:40 GMT
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:49:57 +0100, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "drsquare"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:40:02 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> ("Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>
>>>> thus making it unpleasant to drink, causing the stomach to bloat, and
>>>> giving a
>>>> 'full' feeling.
>>>
>>>Lager is good for one thing. It goes well with hot curries. It seems to
>>>be rather better than water at calming the heat, but other than that,
>>>I'd prefer a bitter or ale any day.
>>
>> What? NO beer goes well with curries. The flavours completely clash. ANY
>> beer drunk with curry tastes like shit. Especially lager.
>
>We'll have to disagree with this one.
>
>Besides, it is traditional British food: lager and british curry.
I'll side with Ed on this one. Especially indian lager and curry:
very good combination.
Dan
remove .hatespam to reply
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *Newbie* Linux/Windows 98 Dual Boot
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:22:18 +1200
"Big Daddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Is their any performance loss or interference from a dual boot system.
> Do the 2 partitions work together well?
>
I use BigSlack, a Linux distribution designed to boot from a FAT32
partition, and from MS-DOS mode. It's good.
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ???
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:25:05 +1200
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
>
> With the inclusion of raw sockets, its now known as eXPloitation
>
You really are dense aren't you Matt? One guy complains because MS
completes it's sockets implementation to make it standards compliant, and
now it's a security hole? It's a security hole in most *nixes then as
well.
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:36:43 +0200
Edward Rosten wrote in message <9gclgt$cjn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>Do you thing the victory was an international effort?
>>
>> **Obviously** That's the point. Somewhere between the idiots who say
>> "the US won the war single-handedly" and the idiots who say "the US
>> didn't do anything" lies the truth.
>
>Indeed.
>
>
>There seem to be a huge number of idiots from the US on this group
>(either that or a small number of very vocal idiots, which I think is
>closer to the truth) who believe the US won it alone. there also seem to
>be some other idiots who believe the reverse.
>
>-Ed
>
Well said. But there is also the class of Americans who, although they
acknowledge that they were only part of the war in Europe, think that they
"saved" us as some sort of favour for which we should be humbly grateful.
The truth is that the US *had* to enter the war in Europe, for a number of
reasons. If they had not, then they would be in a very bad position
internationally, whether Germany had won or lost. The British and their
allies in Europe may possibly have won without US help, but it would have
been very unlikely. But with more concentrated help from Russia, Britain
and Russia could have defeated Germany, leaving all of Europe united with
Russia - not good at all for the US. Had Britain been defeated, the last
resistance in Europe would be quickly overrun. Hitler would have been
disposed of soon enough by other German leaders (Hitler was very
charismatic, but not too smart - great for getting the support of German
populace, but not ideal for running a new German empire). With smart
leaders, they would have consolidated control in Europe and combined the
technologies of the various countries. Then, if they had wanted to attack
the US, they would have been able to do so without problem - they would have
had better planes, better boats, better computers, better bombs, better
rockets, and a far more efficient infrastructure. They could also have
taken Russia, had the campaign been run rationally, and without a war on the
Western front. The US could not risk this sort of senario, so their
intervention in Europe was just as much for their own benifit as for their
allies.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ???
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:51:33 GMT
Stuart Fox wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> >
> > With the inclusion of raw sockets, its now known as eXPloitation
> >
> You really are dense aren't you Matt? One guy complains because MS
> completes it's sockets implementation to make it standards compliant, and
> now it's a security hole? It's a security hole in most *nixes then as
> well.
Stuart's correct. However, there are a couple of reasons why it
is a little worse on XP:
1. There will probably end up being a lot more users of XP as
Microsoft renders its services inaccessible to the older
versions of Windows.
2. The balance of these users will connect to the Internet
in ignorant bliss.
Of course, that's not Microsoft's fault, is it?
Chris
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From: Fernandinande Le Mur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush.limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:58:10 -0600
Reply-To: Fernandinande Le Mur
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:13:19 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> expounded:
<
<If I recall right, San Francisco was notorious for gay bathhouses that
<ran all night.
<When aids became a problem, most of the bathhouses shutdown. I suspect
<that this helped in reducing the spread of aids some. Then public
<education on tv started via commercials, but the aids has gotten into
<every sector of life its starting to blur the lines. Africa, at least
<what we've been spoon fed on the news, is suffering heavily from aids.
<Not exactly sure what their real problem is over there. The news is
<sort of vague about it.
The popmedia is dishonest about reporting on AIDS in Africa because
they don't want to burst the bubble that AIDS is a threat to the
general population, rather than just to some specific sub-groups.
About a year ago Scientific American had a fairly PC article about
AIDS in Africa and blamed rampant prostitution combined with sexual
practices which cause small amounts of bleeding ("dry sex", or women
putting sand, baboon urine and such in their vaginas before fucking -
no, I'm not kidding). In other words, the AIDS epidemic in Africa
is the result of the sexual behavior of the victims.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:04:58 GMT
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:49:44 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >drsquare wrote:
> >
> >>> I've just downloaded that, and I'll install it when I can get all the
> >> dependencies and conflicts worked out. That's the good thing about
> >> Windows, you just download the installation programs and install it,
> >> you don't have to bother about all the dependencies and package
> >> conflicts etc.
> >
> >Unless the installation program replaces some key Windows DLLs
> >or mungs some Registry entry.
>
> Never happened with me. Every single program I've downloaded (and
> that's a LOT) has installed flawlessly. With Linux, I'm lucky if it
> installs at all, and that's AFTER downloading all the packages and
> dealing with all the conflicts. And if you're compiling from source,
> you may as well just not bother.
Well, golly gee, I've had the opposite experience. Quite often
an installed product (usually a Microsoft product) has fucked
up my machine (or at least some of the apps that it runs).
And at least two apps (Word 2000 and Visio 2000) run slow and
act cranky on my box at work.
On Linux, I've compiled from source, installed using RPMs, and
copied software by hand. All has worked flawlessly, except for
compiling nmap, and that's probably because of Red Hat's
gcc-2.96 snafu.
Chris
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:17:55 +0100
Nick Condon wrote:
>
> Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>
> >We (USA) do NOT have a representative democracy.
>
> Really? Better go and tell the occupants of the House of Representives to
> go home then.
>
> >We (USA) have a constitutionally limited republic!
>
> Why not do both?
>
Take it up with Ben Franklin, okee-dokeee?
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:31:40 +0100
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> See if you can have an independent thought.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > We (USA) do NOT have a representative democracy. We (USA) have a
> > constitutionally limited republic!
> >
> >
> >> That is a different issue to people being improperly represented, as in
> >> the man who received the most voted not getting in to power.
> >>
> >
> > We (USA) do not have that system of democracy. We (USA) are a
> > constitutionally limited republic with an electoral college system.
> >
> > These are just the facts and cannot be argued with. If you feel the
> > need to write your own version of a constitution and would like to
> > submit it to the American people, be my guest.
>
> I said REPRESENTATIVE democracy, not democracy. They are different. A
> republic has overlap with representative democracy in that a republic can
> or needn't be a representative democarcy. Rome was republic which was not
> a representative democracy. The US is a republic which is a
> representative democracy simply because you elect people to represent you
> rather than vote on every small issue.
>
Electing represenatives does NOT make the US a "represenative democracy".
It simply means the US people have represenatives. Where you keep coming
up with democracy I'll never know.
For the US to be a "represenative democracy" sovereign power resides in and
is exercised by the whole body of free citizens through represenatives. This
is clearly NOT the case in the US.
I am trying my best to educate you Ed, please put forth some effort.
> But I can see your point of view: unless it is stated in the
> constitution, it mustbe wrong. Learn to think for yourself.
>
> >> You clearly have little understanding of these terms you keep saying.
> >>
Is this a temper tantrum on your part?
> >
> >
> > Of course I don't. I can't even find America on a map. Do you feel
> > better telling me what I do and do not understand?
>
> I can tell you don't understand the concept that two definitions can
> overlap.
>
I can tell that it is breaking your heart to come to terms with the
fact that the USA is a republic and NOT a democracy and that your
term "representative democracy" is nothing more than a tabloid trash
buzzword.
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:43:02 +0100
Nick Condon wrote:
>
> Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>
> >We (USA) do NOT have a representative democracy.
>
> Really? Better go and tell the occupants of the House of Representives to
> go home then.
>
This just tickles me to no end. Why is it that just because the
US has represenatives that people assume it to mean "representative
democracy?"
Why not, "representative republic," or "representative representation?"
I can assure you good folks who are reading this post that the
politicians in the House of Representives are NOT bestowing upon
their electors the exercise of sovereign power. And until they
do, the US will not be a "representative democracy."
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MSnbc calls MS on MS's FUD campain!
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:08:48 GMT
Linux Admin wrote:
>
> MSnbc (remember what the MS stands for) shines a light on MS FUD!
>
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/587140.asp?cp1=1
Here's an interesting excerpt:
But in its statements, Microsoft tends not to
emphasize the fact that the
GPL also allows companies to write
their own proprietary programs that
work in connection with a GPL program,
as long as those programs don't
themselves contain any GPL software.
"You can write a proprietary
word-processing program that runs on
Linux - that's fine," said Jorge L.
Contreras, who deals with open-source
issues at Hale and Dorr, Boston's
largest law firm. "Microsoft is spinning
this the way they feel they need to."
As if we didn't know that already.
I hear all kinds of crap about the GPL.
I hear all kinds of crap about Linux.
I also hear all kinds of crap about Windows. From
linux advocates, windows advocates, and Microsoft.
Chris
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