Linux-Development-Sys Digest #343, Volume #6 Thu, 28 Jan 99 20:13:58 EST
Contents:
Re: Modest next goal for Linux (Andreas Heiss)
Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows (Paul D. Smith)
Distributed Security (Tishina Syndicate)
what is open system? ("takeda")
Re: what is open system? (Josef Moellers)
Help - clashes between /usr/include and /usr/include/linux ("Liron Lightwood")
Re: Internal PCI modem (Brian Knowlton)
Internal Networking,....HELP !,.....please (Robert Verdicchio)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Heiss)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Modest next goal for Linux
Date: 25 Jan 1999 03:47:45 GMT
John De Hoog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] () said,
stuff deleted
> No, NT just has better tools for measuring instantaneous CPU spikes.
> Also, I've found NT's GUI much more responsive than X + whatever. And
> finally, with the 2.2 kernel, Linux is getting file name caching, which
> NT has had all along. Those long waits when viewing file lists using a
> GUI file manager under X are a much bigger pain than any momentary CPU
> spikes from
But if a 300MHz PII NT box is basically unusable during scanning
an image with a SCSI scanner, how's that ? (Move the mouse, the
mouse cursor moves 2 minutes later ...)
Since I have no own scanner, I recently used the NT box of a friend
of mine and I couldn't believe how crappy this NT is. In our institute,
we have a scanner on a Linux box and the CPU does almost nothing
during scanning.
Andreas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul D. Smith)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows
Date: 28 Jan 1999 17:08:43 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
%% [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
b> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, doug says...
>> Linux does not have to be for everyone, and perhaps should
>> not. Doug
b> Linux can be made easier to millions more with very small effort.
b> Such as what people are talking about here: adding examples in man
b> pages.
b> We can do small things that will have large effects to make Linux
b> easier.
b> offcourse, this all requires Linux people have more open mind about
b> this, and not be too stubburn and want to close the doors to new
b> users too quickly just becuase someone is walking in slower than
b> they did.
Look, no one is saying that Linux couldn't be simpler to use, or that
beginners don't need examples of sometimes-arcane syntax in use, etc.
That is all true and we can nod sagely together about it.
The _question_ is, does this beginner-level documentation belong in the
man pages? I think an excellent argument can be made that no, it does
not.
Man pages are like reference manuals: they describe the thing in
technical terms and provide all the nitty details needed to use it: most
of the time far more than the poor newbie user wanted to know.
What's needed is _separate_ documentation which provides beginner-level
help, but is as easily accessible as man pages. That means you should
be able to say "help find" or something and get a find _tutorial_: what
it does and how to use it on a basic level with examples of
commonly-performed operations. Then the user, so fortified, could
proceed to the man page for find in all it's glory, if they didn't see
what they wanted in the beginners' help text.
If you try to squash user-level info into reference man pages, you'll
just piss off both the beginning folks who will still be offput by the
grody details, _and_ the more advanced folks who just want to know what
arguments select() takes and what error code it will return if there is
no data available and don't need no mushy introduction text.
Luckily, I'm sure there are already a number of good "intro to unix"
documents around; someone just needs to combine them and create a "Unix
for Beginners" package that RedHat, Debian, etc. can include with a
standard distribution. They could point users to it both in the
documentation and even in the install/setup information.
So... go for it, y'all!! :)
Anyway, that's my $0.02.
--
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Paul D. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Network Management Development
"Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
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These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.
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From: Tishina Syndicate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.programming,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Distributed Security
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:07:34 +0000
Reply-To: comp.os.linux
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January 28, 1999
Emergency Audit Response System (EARS) v0.7 released!
Tishina Syndicate has launched one of the first non-profit,
non-academic, open source efforts in development of an intrusion
detection system for Linux, operating on a distributed level, in
real-time.
The goal is trivial: code that "understands" your network. Meaning:
a. Peer-to-peer communications among separate agents via secure TCP/IP
channels to monitor, detect and respond to anomalies occurring in
real-time on the network.
(Global Predicate Evaluation)
b. Independent intrusion detection on per-host basis by each individual
agent in the local environment via control of:
Filesystem(s)
CPU
User environment
Network interfaces
Keeping one hand reaching for stars and other in the dirt, we're
currently devising the distributed algorithms and protocols. There's
still a load of work to be finished, so snatch your slice before they
disappear.
Visit Tishina Syndicate home to obtain EARS source, in addition to a
substantial security archive and a link collection.
Open source has done it again!
[ Tishina Syndicate
tishina.cjb.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
- gone boarding
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<FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"><B>January 28, 1999</B></FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"><B>E</B>mergency <B>A</B>udit <B>R</B>esponse
<B>S</B>ystem <B>(EARS) v0.7</B> released!</FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"><B><A HREF="http://tishina.cjb.net">Tishina
Syndicate</A></B> has launched one of the first non-profit, non-academic,
open source efforts in development of an intrusion detection system for
Linux, operating on a distributed level, in real-time.</FONT><FONT
FACE="Arial,Helvetica"></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">The goal is trivial: code that "understands"
your network. Meaning:</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"><B>a.</B> Peer-to-peer communications among
separate agents via secure TCP/IP channels to monitor, detect and respond
to anomalies occurring in real-time on the network.</FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">(Global Predicate Evaluation)</FONT><FONT
FACE="Arial,Helvetica"></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"><B>b.</B> Independent intrusion detection
on per-host basis by each individual agent in the local environment via
control of:</FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"> Filesystem(s)</FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"> CPU</FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"> User environment</FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"> Network interfaces</FONT><FONT
FACE="Arial,Helvetica"></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">Keeping one hand reaching for stars and
other in the dirt, we're currently devising the distributed algorithms
and protocols. There's still a load of work to be finished, so snatch your
slice before they disappear.</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">Visit <B><A HREF="http://tishina.cjb.net">Tishina
Syndicate</A></B> home to obtain <A
HREF="http://tishina.cjb.net/projects_ears.html">EARS
source</A>, in addition to a substantial security <A
HREF="ftp://209.43.237.10/pub/archive">archive</A>
and a <A HREF="http://tishina.cjb.net">link</A> collection.</FONT><FONT
FACE="Arial,Helvetica"></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">Open source has done it again!</FONT><FONT
FACE="Arial,Helvetica"></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"> <B> [ <A
HREF="http://tishina.cjb.net">Tishina
Syndicate</A></B></FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">
tishina.cjb.net</FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"> <A
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</A>]</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">- gone boarding</FONT>
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From: "takeda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: what is open system?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:07:38 +0800
what is open system?
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From: Josef Moellers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: what is open system?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:27:09 +0100
takeda wrote:
>
> what is open system?
A system with no gates B-{)
Serious: an open system is a system where all technical information
about the system (most notably external interfaces) is in the open, i.e.
publicly available.
--
Josef Moellers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UNIX - Live free or die!
PS Dieser Artikel enthaelt einzig und allein meine persoenlichen
Ansichten!
PS This article contains my own, personal opinion only!
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From: "Liron Lightwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Help - clashes between /usr/include and /usr/include/linux
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:46:01 +1100
I've been trying to compile a number of different mobile IP implementations
on Red Hat Linux 5.2 on Intel, but every time I get compiler errors warning
me that many differrent things are redefined in some /usr/include/linux
file, (first difinition in a /usr/include file) and I also get messages that
that there are conflicts between the definitions in each set of files.
I've tried replacing all the /usr/include files included in the program with
the equivalent /usr/include/linux files, and I've tried the vice versa
approcah, but neither approach solves the problem all the time.
I realise that Red Hat Linux 5.2 uses Glibc (libc v6) as opposed to libC
version 5, hence the definitions for various structs and typedefs, etc. for
user space software can differ to the definitions for kernel space software.
However, I still have this problem even if I compile software which is
supposed to be completely user space software.
If anyone knows how i can fix these problems please let me know.
Here is an example of output.
----
file included from /usr/include/linux/if.h:23,
from /usr/include/linux/route.h:23,
from includes_mn.h:23,
from mymnode.c:18:
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:38: warning: `SCM_RIGHTS' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:222: warning: this is the location of the previous
definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:41: warning: `SOCK_STREAM' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:40: warning: this is the location of the previous
definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:42: warning: `SOCK_DGRAM' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:43: warning: this is the location of the previous
definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:43: warning: `SOCK_RAW' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:45: warning: this is the location of the previous
definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:44: warning: `SOCK_RDM' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:47: warning: this is the location of the previous
definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:45: warning: `SOCK_SEQPACKET' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:50: warning: this is the location of the previous
definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:46: warning: `SOCK_PACKET' redefined
....
In file included from /usr/include/linux/if.h:23,
from /usr/include/linux/route.h:23,
from includes_mn.h:23,
from mymnode.c:18:
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:9: redefinition of `struct sockaddr'
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:14: redefinition of `struct linger'
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:26: redefinition of `struct msghdr'
In file included from includes_mn.h:24,
from mymnode.c:18:
/usr/include/linux/if_arp.h:67: redefinition of `struct arpreq'
/usr/include/linux/if_arp.h:75: redefinition of `struct arpreq_old'
/usr/include/linux/if_arp.h:95: redefinition of `struct arphdr'
/usr/include/linux/if_arp.h:121: redefinition of `struct arpd_request'
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Liron Lightwood
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From: Brian Knowlton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Internal PCI modem
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:57:07 -0500
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> Brian Knowlton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > An add that I saw, refered to the modem as an HSP modem
> > and stated that: "Their low cost HSP design utilizes your
> > PC's spare processing power to process modem functions."
> > The modems are from Boca Research, and I would suspect that
> > they are WinModems, based on the above statement at least.
> > I also checked out Gateway computers, and they only offer
> > a WinModem on thier Xeon machine (at least as of 2 days ago).
> > I do not want to spend hundreds of dollars on a high end CPU
> > so that it can handle the work that my modem should be
> > handling!
>
> can you buy a gateway PC *without* a modem altogether? that way you
> could get anything you like afterwards. this method of packaging
> where you put one winner together with several items of lesser quality
> is extremely frustrating and tends to undermine the freeness of the
> market.
>
> --
> johan kullstam
It didn't appear to be an option on that machine.
When I looked, the drop down button, only offered that modem
and there didn't seem to be an option not to have one. I
already have an external 56K on my current machine, and was
planning on connecting the two and configure the old machine
for connecting to my ISP.
--
W W H H Y Y ??? Brian Knowlton
W W W H H Y Y ? ? [EMAIL PROTECTED]
W W W HHHHHHH Y Y ?
W W W W H H Y ??
WW WW H H Y ?
W W H H Y .
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From: Robert Verdicchio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Internal Networking,....HELP !,.....please
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:07:37 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear Networkers:
Please bear with me, I have been at this all afternoon.
As you will be able to conclude from all that is below, I need to either
A) load the SMBFS module, that is bresent in my system but not supported
by my kernel or B) Install Samba which has an SMBFS client to handle
what I want done.
I need a little assistance to do either,.......please
To do A),....can I use the available insmod command ? If so, I
think I need a little syntax help.
To do B),....would the version called "samba-latest.tar.gz" do
the trick,...again, if so where should I load it,...?
For now I simply need to have Apache, on the Linux, retreive and serve
the Home Pages which are on the WindowsNt 4.00.1381.
I started with these requests, which were really quite quickly responded
to,.....
1) Has this problem been addressed ? I went through all the
FAQs and the whole Virtual Hosts documentation and cannot see where I am
erring.
Scenario; I have a small LAN, the DNS Server is on Linux
and the Webserver is Apache.
I want the Apache to respond to any HTTP
query for www.continuuminternational.com with a Home Page which resides
on a Windows NT Workstation which is within my LAN. Everytime I restart
my Apache after having reconfigured the httpd.conf file, I get the
following response referring only to the re-direct which is off my DNS
server and on the NT. (I am planning to load the NT with alot of
Virtual Sites since it has a huge hard-disk): Warning ! Document Root
<NT.IP.number/directory/index.htm> DOES NOT EXIST.
My httpd.conf file configuration is as follows:
<VirtualHost NT.IP.number>
ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DocumentRoot NT.IP.number/directory/index.htm
ServerName www.foo.com
</VirtualHost>
I have tried all kinds of combinations with both the IP #s and the names
and even reversed the / to \. I still get the same response. And by
the way, what ahppens to the Log fies, I assume they are maintained by
the NT since it controls the file once served.
2) So, I set a Share on the NT, the whole drive is shared, but when I
went back to the Linux(2.0.29BTW), I found I have no manual at all for
the smbmount command, suggested to use to mount the shared directory.
May I be so bold as to ask you for the syntax for such a
command that I would then write in
back of DocumentRoot,...?
I thought I would mount the share onto /nt,........ ; . )
ps,...yes, there is a web server on the NT and yes, Apache is on the
Linux,......I don't usually include
/index.html in the DocumentRoot but, as I said, I was really
frustrated,...thanks for the assistance,..
Sincerely,
Robert Verdicchio
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
@Darwin.com - 212, Darwin Park - Nuns' Island, Quebec
Canada, H3E 2C5 - Tel : (514) 762-2208 - Fax : (514) 762-0881
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Dear Networkers:
<P>
Please bear with me, I have been at this all afternoon. As you will
be able to conclude from all that is below, I need to either A) load the
SMBFS module, that is bresent in my system but not supported by my kernel
or B) Install Samba which has an SMBFS client to handle what I want done.
<P>
I need a little assistance to do either,.......please
<P> To do A),....can I use the
available insmod command ? If so, I think I need a little syntax
help.
<P> To do B),....would the version
called "samba-latest.tar.gz" do the trick,...again, if so where should
I load it,...?
<P>For now I simply need to have Apache, on the Linux, retreive and serve
the Home Pages which are on the WindowsNt 4.00.1381.
<P>I started with these requests, which were really quite quickly responded
to,.....
<P>1)
Has this problem been addressed ? I went through all the FAQs and
the whole Virtual Hosts documentation and cannot see where I am erring.
<P>
Scenario;
I have a small LAN, the DNS Server is on Linux and the Webserver is Apache.
<BR>
I want the Apache to respond to any HTTP query for www.continuuminternational.com
with a Home Page which resides on a Windows NT Workstation which is within
my LAN. Everytime I restart my Apache after having reconfigured the
httpd.conf file, I get the
<BR>following response referring only to the re-direct which is off my
DNS server and on the NT. (I am planning to load the NT with alot
of Virtual Sites since it has a huge hard-disk): Warning ! Document Root
<NT.IP.number/directory/index.htm> DOES NOT EXIST.
<P>My httpd.conf file configuration is as follows:
<P> <VirtualHost
NT.IP.number>
<BR> ServerAdmin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<BR> DocumentRoot
NT.IP.number/directory/index.htm
<BR> ServerName www.foo.com
<BR> </VirtualHost>
<P>I have tried all kinds of combinations with both the IP #s and the names
and even reversed the / to \. I still get the same response.
And by the way, what ahppens to the Log fies, I assume they are maintained
by the NT since it controls the file once served.
<P>2) So, I set a Share on the NT, the whole drive is shared, but when
I went back to the Linux(2.0.29BTW), I found I have no manual at all for
the smbmount command, suggested to use to mount the shared directory.
<P> May
I be so bold as to ask you for the syntax for such a command that I would
then write in
<BR>back of DocumentRoot,...?
<P> I
thought I would mount the share onto /nt,........ ; . )
<P>ps,...yes, there is a web server on the NT and yes, Apache is on the
Linux,......I don't usually include
<BR>/index.html in the DocumentRoot but, as I said, I was really frustrated,...thanks
for the assistance,..
<BR>
<P>Sincerely,
<BLOCKQUOTE><B><I>Robert Verdicchio</I></B>
<BR><B><I><FONT COLOR="#000099">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></I></B></BLOCKQUOTE>
<CENTER>
<P><BR><B><I><FONT COLOR="#FF9900">@Darwin.com - 212, Darwin Park - Nuns'
Island, Quebec</FONT></I></B>
<BR><B><I><FONT COLOR="#FF9900">Canada, H3E 2C5 - Tel : (514) 762-2208
- Fax : (514) 762-0881</FONT></I></B></CENTER>
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