Linux-Development-Sys Digest #364, Volume #6 Tue, 2 Feb 99 01:14:20 EST
Contents:
line discipline between ppp and /dev/ttyS0 ? ("Bjorn Wesen")
Kernel compiled for Pentium+, requires TSC? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: disheartened gnome developer ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Phase 2: A Consumer Operating System (Screwtape)
Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows (Martin Maney)
Re: password validation (James Youngman)
Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows (Michael Doherty)
Re: Rewriting IDLE Process - Need Strategic Advice - part 1 (Glen Turner)
Re: 2.0.36 strange behavior (Matthias Suencksen)
Re: 'as' fails with Sig 11 on PS/2 (olivier Dulac)
Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows (jedi)
FAT32 problems (Matthew Bloch)
Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows (Bandyopadhyay Rajarshi Dipak)
parport and HP Deskjet 500 (Aaron McCarthy)
Re: Saving Machine State (Glen Turner)
Re: Ignorant Socalists (was disheartened gnome developer) (jedi)
Re: How to flush the file cache ? ("Frank T. Lofaro")
Re: Linux SMP support (David Fox)
Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows (Christopher B. Browne)
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From: "Bjorn Wesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: line discipline between ppp and /dev/ttyS0 ?
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 01:20:30 +0100
Hi, I need to hook a processing layer between the PPP and the serial port in
a Linux system (to do encapsulating framing etc, and I don't want to mess up
PPP itself). Would this be possible using this "line discipline" stuff I
keep reading about or would I have to resort to voodoo ? I know the chants
and spells but would prefer to do it The Right Way.
I know I could write a special serial port device which adds this framing,
or I could change the existing serial port device to, by an ioctl for
example, turns on this processing, but that isn't really very clean.
Regards,
Bjorn W
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Kernel compiled for Pentium+, requires TSC?
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 00:01:44 GMT
I compiled the 2.2.1 linux kernel on Fri, with with the processor type set to
486. When I rebooted, I got this error message:
Kernel compiled for Pentium+, requires TSC
In swapper task - not syncing
Well, obviously I didn't, so what's happening? Also, what's a TSC?
Please reply to this group.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: disheartened gnome developer
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 00:57:25 GMT
In article <jfpm2.822$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marco Anglesio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Check the Microsoft SEC filing. Given that they are a public company, they
> are required to go in some detail as to their expected sources of revenue.
Check MSFT's latest SEC filing: http://sec.yahoo.com/e/l/m/msft.html
"Software license volume increases have been the principal factor in
Microsoft's revenue growth."
Pretty much sums it up.
-bk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Screwtape)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux Phase 2: A Consumer Operating System
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:40:42 +1100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stuff written by Stephen Samuel:
>I think that something worth noting is that the guts of WINDOZE is
>far more grotty, messy and difficult to work with than UNIX/Linux.
>I would expect that putting a 'nice' front end is goint to be far
>easier and worthwhile than doing the same thing was for the microsoft
>drones that had to put a nice face on THAT thing.
There's (at least) two possible design routes. If we just want to get Linux on
the desktop, we'll take all the fine openness and flexibility that makes Linux
great, and sweep it under the carpet to deliver a very Windows-like experience:
assumptions being made about what you're trying to do, arbitrary limitations
imposed, treating the user like they are brain-dead, and so on.
On the other hand, my personal attitude is this: "Linux everywhere" be damned.
Let Linux succeed on its technical merits, not because we're pushing it so hard.
Let's not rush Linux to the desktop - let's make a new GUI, or even a new *type*
of GUI. Something that has the same kind of power and flexibility as the shell,
if that's possible, something where nothing is dumbed down. I really have no
idea what that would be, but I hope the folks at GNOME and KDE realise they
don't just have to copy Windows, or even the Mac. Let them make something
beautiful and new. We're not gonna press them to do it quickly, as long as they
do it *RIGHT*.
Tim Allen
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From: Martin Maney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows
Date: 2 Feb 1999 00:54:31 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[replying to Leslie Mikesell]
> But your point now seems that examples are good, but don't belong
> to a man page?
> well, at least this is a progress.
You must have missed a few articles along the way, since this is hardly a
new idea for Leslie.
> I say examples do belong in man pages, since man pages are
> the first thing one looks at to find how to use a command.
Stop. Right. There.
This is both correct and the whole problem with your argument. Yes, man
pages ARE the first thing you look at - when you need to refresh your memory
about some details of a command you don't use often. The problem is that
making the man pages serve a quite different purpose, explaining the
underlying concepts and giving many examples to help one learn how to use
the command in the first place, will ruin them for their real purpose.
The proper solution is not to tear down the already excellent (well, often
excellent) man pages to replace them with verbose introductory revisions;
the Right Thing To Do is to supplement the existing man pages with good
introductory texts. Then (and this is not so trivial to do well) work out a
sensible way to integrate these wonderful new texts with the reference
manual (man pages) so that users can easily choose which they see and can
move from one to the other when they want to.
[comp.os.linux.setup trimmed, as this seems quite unrelated to system setup]
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From: James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: password validation
Date: 31 Jan 1999 22:22:26 +0000
Nicholas Todd Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I trying to write an application (using GNU C++) on a linux machine
> that needs to check the password file to validate a user's login ID.
> The problem with this I'm only a ordinary user, and the system uses
> a shadowed password file.
PAM provides a secure way to do this for the current user (for
example, to make xlock(1) work without being setuid). See section
6.15.4 in the Linux-PAM System Administrator's Guide.
> Does anyone know of C function/library routine that I can use to
> check the entered password against the encrypted password? Since my
> plan is to run this from a web browser I can't use an interactive
> script to do the job for me.
Since you're using a web server, you are better off using .htpasswd
instead. See the manual for the web server you are using.
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ACTUALLY reachable as @free-lunch.demon.(whitehouse)co.uk:james+usenet
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From: Michael Doherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:38:45 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andre says...
> >
> >Yeah but man pages already have a structure.
> >
> >Description on top, parameters in the middle and
> >examples and references at the end. If indexes are needed,
> >just pipe the man page to a viewer with string search
> >capabilities.
> >
>
> man pages have examples??
>
> this is the main problem of man pages. %99.9 of them have no examples.
> if people who write man pages would add examples, man pages will
> be more unsefull.
>
> mike.
Agreed. And I was thinking that I'd like to put man pages and
HOW-TO's in html format. Anybody done that or thinking of
doing that kind of project?
Michael Doherty
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:23:53 +1030
From: Glen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rewriting IDLE Process - Need Strategic Advice - part 1
Carl Spalletta wrote:
>
> I thought it would be a nice touch to rewrite the idle process to do
> some useful work.
Notebook owners might disagree :-)
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From: Matthias Suencksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.0.36 strange behavior
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 02:52:48 +0100
yes, it looks like faulty hardware. I recently
had also buggy memory chips which caused Ooopses here and then.
Matthias
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From: olivier Dulac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.gcc.help
Subject: Re: 'as' fails with Sig 11 on PS/2
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:52:38 +0100
Just my "2 cents" (hey... Euro too have cents ;) :
There is a Siq11 FAQ, dedicated to that special signal, more often due to
hardware errors.. it gives a lot of possible explanations, and may be a
great help ? You can find it usefull, i guess... (search it in GNU/linux
distributions, or gcc distributions)
"Hope this helps..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:21:31 -0800
On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:02:54 -0500, Paul E. Lehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You can get all the Unix utilities and even run a Korn shell in NT by using
>software such as MKS Toolkit
>Why put up with the pain of Unix or Linux when you can have all the
>so-called advantages and a hell of a lot friendlier user environment and a
I really rather like dfm or wmfinder than exploder.
My machine is also quite a bit more responsive now
running Linux than it would be running either NT or
'95. An IRQ conflict is still an IRQ conflict. All
of my PCI hardware is auto-detected (or autoprobed).
I DON'T like Windows NNTP and POP clients.
The only reason I have to run windows is games.
Unix is only painful at the beginning and not thereafter.
Microsoft pain is less intense, but it never really leaves.
>hell of a lot more versatile environment. Pearl, sed, awk, grep, vi -
>piping, redirection - they are all there without the Nerdy Unix environment.
>Sorry folks - Unix and Linux are about 20 years behind times and will NEVER
>catch up.
>
>Lucas Sheehan wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>Peter Samuelson wrote:
>>
>>> [<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>>> > My goal in life is to go through all the man pages and rewrite them
>>> > into something vaguely resembling english.
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, how many have you completed?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter Samuelson
>>> <sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>
>>
>>Interesting task to undertake. My man pages came in english.
>>
>>
>
>
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Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: Matthew Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FAT32 problems
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 02:29:45 +0000
Hi there; I posted this question to the author of the FAT32 module and he
didn't seem to know what was wrong. I wonder whether anyone else has had the
same problem, or whether it's obvious to someone who knows etc. etc.
Anyhow, the output from the 'df' command on my system shows the following:
Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/hdb1 3958767 3318078 435862 88% /
/dev/hda1 9886336 9886336 0 100% /mnt/beast
Where /dev/hda1 is my Windows drive, formatted to FAT32. Under Windows / DOS
it works fine (albeit with IBM Disk Manager loading to get around my creaky
BIOS) but Linux 'Did not find valid FSINFO signature' and automatically sets the
free space to 0% (i.e. it's permanently read only). This is, of course, a
problem. I can't remember how I formatted the drive in the first place, but I
don't think I was /that/ cruel to it; is there any way of getting around this
other than the tremendous hassle of reformatting my drive?
--
Matthew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bandyopadhyay Rajarshi Dipak)
Subject: Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:34:49 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Murray Spork wrote:
On 26 Jan 1999 00:14:40 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andre says...
>>
>>Yeah but man pages already have a structure.
>>
>>Description on top, parameters in the middle and
>>examples and references at the end. If indexes are needed,
>>just pipe the man page to a viewer with string search
>>capabilities.
>>
>
>man pages have examples??
>
>this is the main problem of man pages. %99.9 of them have no examples.
>if people who write man pages would add examples, man pages will
>be more unsefull.
>
>mike.
Hah! Beat me too it. I have seen man pages with examples -- but it is
sadly a rare thing.
Murray
Hi
Maybe we can be the ones to make better man pages and put examples
in them? Lets not keep blaming 'those guys'.
--Raj
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From: Aaron McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: parport and HP Deskjet 500
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 02:47:35 +0000
After installing the new kernel 2.2.1 and seting up the parport driver I
could no longer print to my DJ500 but could print to the newer HP
DeskJet 670C,
any ideas
Aaron.
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:33:55 +1030
From: Glen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Saving Machine State
Bill Reh wrote:
> I would like to know if there's any way to save my machine state, ie save my
> kcore and swap file and restore them after rebooting, or something to that
> effect.
This is called 'checkpointing'. From memory, a few poeple from Techway
presented a paper on this at one of the USENIX conferences.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Ignorant Socalists (was disheartened gnome developer)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:23:17 -0800
On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 03:35:16 GMT, Marco Anglesio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 01 Feb 1999 19:37:22 -0500, Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio) writes:
>>> But Microsoft is not an arm of the state; in fact, the state and Microsoft
>>> have been before the courts almost continuously for the last ten
>>> years.
>>
>>yes but the government is a *huge* customer of microsoft. they (DoD)
>
>That doesn't make Microsoft an arm of the state, either controlled
>directly or by proxy. The state is as vulnerable to changing technologies
>as any other organization. And you're confusing the association of the
>state with a company as customer with the state as manager.
>
>>but if you consider microsoft to be an arm of the establishment, then
>>microsoft is definately in the socialist camp.
>
>If you consider Microsoft or any other company to be an arm of the
>*state*, then Microsoft or any other company is definitely in the
>socialist camp, but there's no reason (much less good reason) to consider
>Microsoft or any other company an arm of the state. Like I said before,
>they ignore the authority of the state. Nice try.
>
>They don't dominate the PC market because the state made it easy for them
>or assigned a concession. They dominate the PC market because they're very
>good at playing the game of capitalism, without (or even despite) the
>presence of the state. MS would be just fine without the state, even
>without a state. They'd probably be pretty happy to be free of the
>restrictions.
Their intellectual property on which most of their success
is based is in fact backed up by the government. Without
that, Microsoft doesn't have anything with which to leverage
people or even anything to sell really.
--
Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: "Frank T. Lofaro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to flush the file cache ?
Date: 2 Feb 1999 02:54:57 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:41:38 +0100, Renaud Lottiaux
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in comp.os.linux.development.system:
>Is anybody know how to flush the file cache
>quickly and easily ?
sync
/sbin/hdparm -f /dev/x /dev/y ....
where x, y, etc are all the devices which you want the cache flushed
from. This will work on IDE and SCSI (and anything else)
Inside a C program:
sync();
ioctl(x, BLKFLSBUF, 0);
ioctl(y, BLKFLSBUF, 0);
...
where x, y, ... are file descriptors to all the devices you want to
flush the cache on.
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From: d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox)
Subject: Re: Linux SMP support
Date: 01 Feb 1999 15:32:43 -0800
"Roberto P.Martins Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
> <html>
> Hello all,
> <p>I'm looking for information about SMP on Linux. At RedHat site I found
> on symmetric multi-processor systems I need to build a custom kernel because
> SMP support is still experimental in kernel 2.0.xx
> <p>And now with kernel 2.2.xx? Does anybody know how's SMP support? There
> are any site with related information?
> <p>--
> <br>Roberto P.Martins Jr.
> <br><A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>
> <br><A
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> <br>ICQ #12393737
> <br> </html>
>
Take a look at http://www.linuxhq.com/.
--
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UCSD HCI Lab baL ICH DSCU
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 02:59:40 GMT
On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:02:54 -0500, Paul E. Lehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>You can get all the Unix utilities and even run a Korn shell in NT by using
>software such as MKS Toolkit
>Why put up with the pain of Unix or Linux when you can have all the
>so-called advantages and a hell of a lot friendlier user environment and a
>hell of a lot more versatile environment. Pearl, sed, awk, grep, vi -
>piping, redirection - they are all there without the Nerdy Unix environment.
I think this begs the question...
If you don't want to "put up with the pain" of UNIX/Linux, then why do
you think it's sensible to use MKS, when all that does is to replicate
the "pain of Unix or Linux"?
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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