Linux-Development-Sys Digest #838, Volume #6 Wed, 16 Jun 99 21:14:58 EDT
Contents:
Re: You can now use Winmodems in Linux!!!!!!! (Medical Electronics Lab)
Re: Can Linux Boot and Run without a BIOS? (Medical Electronics Lab)
Re: Any Mail Application for commercial use (David T. Blake)
I got the Penguin!! (Medical Electronics Lab)
Re: Problem about time slice of process/threads (Peter Samuelson)
Re: Can Linux Boot and Run without a BIOS? (bryan)
Help with RedHat 5.2 initrd.img file (Leslie Smith)
' LF -> CR/LF' to be added to printtool (Aaron)
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS (void)
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS (Vladimir Z. Nuri)
Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL? (bryan)
Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL? (bryan)
ftape4.02 with new kernel 2.2.5-15 (almost) (Huib Wouters)
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS (Vladimir Z. Nuri)
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS (David T. Blake)
Re: Linux on Palm-PCs (bill davidsen)
Re: Open Source Business Startup. (Kaz Kylheku)
Re: Problem with vremap function (Danny Sung)
Re: I got the Penguin!! (Peter Samuelson)
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From: Medical Electronics Lab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You can now use Winmodems in Linux!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:27:34 -0500
Darragh wrote:
>
> Billy Moon wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I am currently working on a application that enables winmodems to
>
> function
>
> > in Linux. Anyone who would like to help test this app please contact me.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> Please send me the stuff. I would really like my Winmodem to work in Linux!
>
> Thanks in return.
Add me to the list!!
Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike
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From: Medical Electronics Lab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can Linux Boot and Run without a BIOS?
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:24:17 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> OK, if i have load the linux boot image into RAM, without
> using the BIOS, then, can i run linux normally? if linux have
> been on the way, will it never call any BIOS service (switch
> to real mode if required), or never use any BIOS data, true?
Yes, but you have to compile the kernel so it knows there isn't
any bios support. Should be easy to do.
Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T. Blake)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Any Mail Application for commercial use
Date: 16 Jun 1999 07:51:58 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>qmail works well commercially, and has fewer security holes.
Qmail is very nicely configurable with a single directory
containing text files to define the configuration.
I am not aware of any security holes - there was $10k offered and
uncollected for anyone to execute any operation on a machine running
qmail that they did not have permission to execute while logged in.
--
Dave Blake
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Medical Electronics Lab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I got the Penguin!!
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:38:16 -0500
Thanks to Jeff G. for helping me get frame
buffers working. I got Tux to show up on my
screen during boot, so the next step is to
get an X server that will run with frame buffers.
I figured I'd have to write drivers since the
SiS 620 chip set isn't included in any compatability
lists. But it looks like this chip set is VESA
compliant (since that option works). It remains
to be seen if I still have problems with the
screen saver, but I expect I won't since it's
the X server that was walking over the kernel
as well as trashing the screen.
I still have more drivers to write, but at least
I don't have to deal with the console!
Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Samuelson)
Subject: Re: Problem about time slice of process/threads
Date: 16 Jun 1999 09:17:01 -0500
Reply-To: Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Cligon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> Recently I've met a problem: if I want to customize the time slice,
> is there any API provide this function?
Why do you want to do this?
For (nearly) all practical purposes, nice(2) and setpriority(2) should
be all you need. If you really want to you can set a #define somewhere
and recompile your kernel. (However, since this is probably overkill,
I'm not going to look up exactly which #define. Look in
<linux/schedule.h> probably....)
--
Peter Samuelson
<sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>
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From: bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can Linux Boot and Run without a BIOS?
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:01:06 GMT
Brian McGroarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
: >Can Linux boot from chaos and run, without a BIOS?
: >regards
: No, you're in BIOS operations before a byte ever passes thorugh
: the drive cable.
not always.
case in point: the sgi viz pc. it has NO bios (ie, it can't run dos
or win* - only linux and NT). it does have a boot loader (of course)
but its NOT the usual pc bios.
--
Bryan [at] Grateful.Net
http://www.Grateful.Net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Smith)
Subject: Help with RedHat 5.2 initrd.img file
Date: 16 Jun 1999 19:45:30 +0100
Dose anyone know how to make a the initrd.img file, also could
anyone tell me what is in the file ?
ie. RedHat initrd.img file.
Regards
Leslie...UK:-)
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From: Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ' LF -> CR/LF' to be added to printtool
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:15:03 -0800
what file and where would i add the line " LF -> CR/LF" for
printing.
i printed a test page and it reads as follows.
" If this is all you see, try enabling ' LF ->CR/LF'
translation in printtool.... ".
I am trying to print to a HP LaserJet 5Si/SiMX printer on a
network.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (void)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: TAO: the ultimate OS
Date: 16 Jun 1999 17:24:32 GMT
On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:12:26 GMT, Bill Vermillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>I was not trying to be a smart-ass. I was just mentioning that I
>could 'clap', make a noise that sounded like a clap while using
>only one hand.
Sorry, I should've included a smiley to indicate the intended tone of
my post.
--
Ben
"The world is conspiring in your favor." -- de la Vega
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vladimir Z. Nuri)
Subject: Re: TAO: the ultimate OS
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:31:48 GMT
well, I find it quite amazing that so many ppl are focusing on
my defn of "object oriented" as a key deficiency of the post.
ok, ok!! uncle!! it all seems so obvious to me, but
let me elaborate on this somewhat.
when I envision an object system, I am really imagining, partly,
a new kind of file system that has more attributes associated with
each file than the existing small set, such as time stamps etc.
or at least this is one way to imagine what I am talking about
for ppl who are stuck attempting to understand
the essay in terms of existing systems.
now it is a trivial observation that every OS is composed entirely
of source files.
the objects I envision are essentially files with additional
structured information & intelligence.
for example the file can have embedded links to
other files. so a source file could have a link within it,
i.e. a reference, to the object file.
essentially the idea is that the OS understands all the links
between different files. so when I pull off an application off
the computer, the OS understand what files are associated
with it because of all the built-in-references. the OS keeps
these current and handles the other administrivia associated
with it all.
when I say "object" perhaps the way to understand it is
"superfile". anything that is now a file can be turned into
a Tao object. the dif is that the Tao system understands all
the different file formats as part of the OS, and how to
convert them between each other, etc. of course Tao objects
are far more than merely files, but to eventually get to
this point B, I'll start at this point A.
hence concepts like "make" and "compilation" are built into
the OS.. a dependency tree support is built into the OS and
for more operations than merely compilation. for example,
creating a graph from spreadsheet data is a kind of
abstract compilation (quite similar to the way that object
code is created from source code) that the system can understand.
hence, Tao can be completely "object oriented" because all
existing OSes are built out of files. QED <g>
--
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"in theory, there's no difference [EMAIL PROTECTED]
between theory and practice, mad genius research lab
but in practice there is!" http://www8.pair.com/mnajtiv/
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From: bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL?
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.lang.java.databases
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:11:49 GMT
In comp.os.linux.development.apps Don Baccus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <_FA93.273$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >I like the trans. of postgresql, but it has some bugs that make me
: >want to avoid postgresql.
: >since I can structure my code (pretty much) so that transactions
: >aren't a MUST-HAVE, I choose mysql. for now, at least.
: Your criticism of postgres is valid, indeed I was going to
: use Sybase at one point (which is available at no cost for
: Linux, even deployed to back up a web site, and which is an
: enterprise-class db engine).
: However ... my experience with 6.5 betas over the last several
: weeks have convinced me that the current development crew has
: got a handle on fixing bugs and fixing many of the shortcomings
: that have caused many (including myself, in the past) to avoid
: Postgres.
: 6.5's a vast improvement over 6.4, particularly for
: high-concurrency environments like web sites.
: They still have a ways to go, but seem to have a handle on
: what's important and are working hard to make the thing
: even more solid. If 6.6 is as big an improvement over
: 6.5 as 6.5 is over 6.4, there will be little left to complain
: about.
agreed - and I fully intend to watch the stability of PGsql. and when
its ready, I'll be ready to integrate with them ;-)
as an exercise, I wrote a thin abstraction layer (regular C) that sits
above mysql and postgres. it allowed me to test both by doing:
make DB=PGRES
or
make DB=MYSQL
and then run the app. very handy having multiple sql engines to help
sort the app bugs out ;-)
I almost wish those guys would agree on a common api and that way, no
apps would have to be re-written (in theory).
--
Bryan [at] Grateful.Net
http://www.Grateful.Net
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From: bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL?
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.lang.java.databases
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:13:09 GMT
In comp.os.linux.development.apps Don Baccus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <8Gs93.60$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >simple - cause not all the linux db's HAVE transactions. that's why!
: Arguing that you don't need transactions because you don't use
: a db that does them is a bit like arguing that backups are useless
: because you personally don't own a backup device...
I NEVER (!) used the word or concept of 'useless'. of COURSE xactions
aren't useless. BUT not every app needs them - and some apps can be
written in such a way that xactions aren't essential.
--
Bryan [at] Grateful.Net
http://www.Grateful.Net
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From: Huib Wouters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ftape4.02 with new kernel 2.2.5-15 (almost)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:20:16 +0200
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I tried to compile the ftape-4.xx driver for kernels
2.2.x and I had to do some hacking myself.
I only have a small problem now:
First I do:
/sbin/depmod -a
This should update the file /lib/modules/2.2.5-15/modules.dep
This file contains the lines:
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/misc/ftape.o:
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/misc/zftape.o: /lib/modules/2.2.5-15/misc/ftape.o
So zftape.o depends on ftape.o.
Now I try to load these two modules:
/sbin/insmod ftape.o
/sbin/insmod zftape.o
Loading the first module works fine. But loading the second it complains
about "unresolvved symbols". However, these symbolds ARE resolved since
these are present in ftape.o.
Anyone can help? What am I doing wrong when loading the modules?
Huib
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vladimir Z. Nuri)
Subject: Re: TAO: the ultimate OS
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:20:52 GMT
Alexander Viro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Eh? No directories, no CLI... And authors obviously consider that as good
: features. Oh, well... What's much worse - no compilers, no description of API
: (and AFAICS no source that could be used to figure out said API). So
: development of any software for it is possible only if somebody will bother
: to *disassemble* the thing and look how it works. Wonderful. Do you really
: intend to keep it *that* closed? IIRC the last who tried that was Apple back
: in early 80s... Or you had simply preserved DOS API? Then you would have to
: run everything in VM86... Could you elaborate on that? You know, VM86 and PM
: really differ - different instruction sets, segmented vs. flat memory... So
: that piece of information is rather critical.
this whole thread is starting to remind me of a saying I first
devised when I started to discover how often others hard work
is p***ed on when announced on usenet etc.. making me think the
basic purpose of Usenet/cyberspace is the endless, unfair picking
criticism of others work..
anyway.. Vlad's rule #1: "there are some ppl you can hand a $50
bill to, and they will bitterly complain it isn't crisp enough"....
rule #2-- "the population density of these people among those
who post to usenet is extremely high....."
anyway, for those who have not already done so, plz email me if you
are serious about accomplishing any of the goals in the Tao essay,
and I will keep in touch.
(and to all the bitter ingrates.. hahaha! have a nice life. my consolation
for all your p***ing on my work is the thought that you will
never be happy. hehehe)
we shall meet again!! hahaha
--
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
"in theory, there's no difference [EMAIL PROTECTED]
between theory and practice, mad genius research lab
but in practice there is!" http://www8.pair.com/mnajtiv/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T. Blake)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: TAO: the ultimate OS
Date: 16 Jun 1999 15:15:11 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vladimir Z. Nuri) massively crossposted
more flame-bait:
[PLONK!!]
--
Dave Blake
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bill davidsen)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux on Palm-PCs
Date: 16 Jun 1999 23:04:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michel van der Kleij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I've tried and tested a Linux version for the Psion Series 5. It used up most
| of my 8Mb memory (kernel, "disk-image" etc.) but it works! Getting stuff to and
| from the Linux S5 was awkward because it had to be in diskimages. It's been a
| while since I last played with it, so I've forgotten where I got it from. Must
| have been the "PsionKing" site or something.
The folks who did lzop have done a software which allows execution of
compressed executables. I think this might be useful, since the memory
saving from having all the executables compressed should be
considerable.
--
bill davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CTO, TMR Associates, Inc
The Internet is not the fountain of youth, but some days it feels like
the fountain of immaturity.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku)
Crossposted-To:
alt.business,alt.business.misc,netcom.uk.business.www,comp.os.linux.development.apps,gnu.utils
Subject: Re: Open Source Business Startup.
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:23:21 GMT
On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:10:01 +0000, Bonez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>business to thrive it needs a source of finicial income. So the great
>problem exists in how to create an open source project that a business
>can be based on.
You have to write the code first. When, or if, a user base develops, you have
opportunities for business. Freeware means that you don't have to have a
business at the outset; you can start doing the product now. :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Danny Sung)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Problem with vremap function
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:41:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>IIRC, you should be using ioremap, rather than vremap (read
>/usr/src/linux/Documentatio/IO-Mapping.txt).
>
>I'm not sure, but I think they are the same function, however.
They are the same function. vremap() was renamed to ioremap()
sometime in the 2.1.x kernels (I think). So, 2.2 kernel users will
see ioremap() 2.0 kernel users will see vremap(). The text file you
described is in kernel 2.2, and shows how to deal with backward
compatible modules (just a simple #ifdef).
--
--
Danny Sung http://www.poboxes.com/dannys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (PGP public key available)
Key fingerprint = 0080 1BA8 F145 15AE 5ED1 E4ED C422 C77E 70C6 44FE
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Samuelson)
Subject: Re: I got the Penguin!!
Date: 16 Jun 1999 19:09:53 -0500
Reply-To: Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Medical Electronics Lab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> I figured I'd have to write drivers since the SiS 620 chip set isn't
> included in any compatability lists.
Well, if you hang on a week or three, XFree86 3.3.4 is supposed to be
released Real Soon Now[1] and it will support the 620. If you can't
wait, there's an XFCom (XFree86-compliant) server from SuSE[2]. Works
fine on a SiS 530 at work.
[1] http://www.xfree86.org/releaseplans.html
[2] ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse_update/X/XFCom/xsis/
I'm not sure a "real" X server and vesafb can coexist. I think theory
says they can't. Good luck.
--
Peter Samuelson
<sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>
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