Linux-Development-Sys Digest #180, Volume #7 Fri, 10 Sep 99 11:14:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS (Bill Anderson)
Re: select() and FD_SETSIZE (Alexander Landa)
Re: My opinion on TAO: the ultimate OS (Bill Anderson)
Re: My opinion on TAO: the ultimate OS (Bill Anderson)
Re: Linux standards compliance (david parsons)
NEED SOME HELP on programming an HP48 device under LINUX (".LAN Server .LMX")
Bug in select() and/or sound drivers in Kernel 2.0.36? (Jon Haugsand)
Another INODE question (Mark Vogelsberger)
Re: Where can I find the handy SWEEP utility? (Paul Hendrick)
Re: LILO and System.map (TA Ruhland)
Re: survey linux project. (Philip W. Darnowsky)
Re: Linux Kernel Modules 2.2.12 question (=?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane?= MASSON)
Re: Linux Kernel Modules 2.2.12 question (Mark Vogelsberger)
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself (Philip W. Darnowsky)
HELP: PCMCIA memory mapping: same limit as Window$ ?? (=?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane?=
MASSON)
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From: Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: TAO: the ultimate OS
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:34:01 -0600
"Vladimir Z. Nuri" wrote:
>
> In comp.os.misc Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : On 4 Sep 1999 02:04:41 GMT, Vladimir Z. Nuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :>In comp.os.misc EdToy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :>
> :>: Sounds like your agenda. So pay 'em then.
> :>
> :>the agenda is open.. the agenda is to create a new OS.
> :>is linux Torvald's agenda? do you ask him to pay
> :>contributors?
>
> : It's Linus Torvalds, not Linux Torvalds.
>
> you are not parsing my sentence right. I said, is "linux"
> [linus] torvalds' agenda? answer: yes.
Wrong, his 'agenda' is a freely available, stable, robust commodity Unix
implementation.
It merely happens that Linux suits that purpose. Do not confuse an idea
with an implementation.
> question: does
> he pay contributors? answer: no.
Depends upon what is decided as payment. That is entirely the domain of
those involved in the transaction. If I decide that in return for my
contributions to Linux, I get to have the source, and use a robust OS,
that is _my_ prerogative. YOU arenot involved in that transaction, thus,
YOU so not get to determine whether or not Linus 'payed' me in any form.
--
Bill Anderson Linux/Unix Administrator, Security
Analyst
ESBU (ARC) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My opinions are just that; _my_ opinions.
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From: Alexander Landa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: select() and FD_SETSIZE
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:11:40 +0200
Hi David,
can you tell me, where I can get some good examples, which use
the *poll()* funktion?
Thanks.
Alex
David Schwartz schrieb:
> ....most horribly broken UNIX function I know of. I *never* use it when 'poll'
> is available. DS
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From: Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: My opinion on TAO: the ultimate OS
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:36:36 -0600
"Vladimir Z. Nuri" wrote:
>
> In comp.os.misc M van Rooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> : They look like a real challenge to me. One thing is clear (to me at least),
> : you guys have a long road ahead getting anywhere.
>
> rome wasn't built in a day.
It was, however, burned in a day.
--
Bill Anderson Linux/Unix Administrator, Security
Analyst
ESBU (ARC) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My opinions are just that; _my_ opinions.
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From: Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: My opinion on TAO: the ultimate OS
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:37:37 -0600
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On 7 Sep 1999 20:42:57 GMT, void wrote:
>
> >>rome wasn't built in a day. linux was not built in a day.
> >>when was linus' 1st post to Usenet anyway? it was close to
> >>7 years or so to the current date.
>
> Linus's post was August '91. At this stage, he'd already ported some of
> the GNU stuff ( I think bash and gcc )
And there is the important distinction. He _already_ had code and
implementation.
--
Bill Anderson Linux/Unix Administrator, Security
Analyst
ESBU (ARC) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My opinions are just that; _my_ opinions.
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From: o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Linux standards compliance
Date: 9 Sep 1999 18:17:44 -0700
In article <7r7dc8$gv2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[Warren Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>> It occurs to me that it'd be in Linux's best interests to accept
>> these patches into the kernel if they're of the sort that don't
>> compromise the rest of the kernel's stability or speed. (Probably
>> also add a config option to disable UDI.) Then, _don't_ port Linux
>> drivers to UDI, but just _allow_ UDI drivers to be loaded. Then
>> Linux would be harvesting UnixWare drivers for free!
>
>There was a day, and it wasn't so long ago, that Linux needed all the
>device drivers it could get. Coaxing out hardware specs from
>manufacturers under reasonable free-software-use terms was in some
>cases all but impossible.
>
>That day has passed. For better or for worse, Linux now has a solid
>reputation as the choice web-server-grade platform for a lot of
>customers, and any hardware vendor interested in that market is very
>aware of this. They are all scrambling to assure their customers that
>they either support Linux or plan to Real Soon Now.
For their new drivers, for kernel version X. The existing scheme of
having to rewrite your drivers every time the kernel changes is
likely to have unfortunate effects with older drivers produced by
hardware companies, just as it does with the existing crop of
drivers. (Just as an example, to run 2.3.17 on one of my
development machines required that I discard an NCR810 scsi card
that I'd been using for about two years, because the newer drivers
didn't support it and I would have had to manually port an older
driver to get the bastard to work again.) With a published
interface, it wouldn't matter if the newer device drivers broke
compatability with the older hardware, because I could simply
load the older device driver and continue to use it.
Given the choice between the self-proclaimed ``best drivers in the
world'' and drivers that are written to a published interface,
I'll pick the drivers that are written to the published interface,
because when the interface warps away from my hardware, the ``best
drivers in the world'' won't work, while the drivers written to
the published interface will.
____
david parsons \bi/ Microsoft shuns interface standards. Is this
\/ really the model Linux wishes to follow?
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From: ".LAN Server .LMX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NEED SOME HELP on programming an HP48 device under LINUX
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:43:22 +0400
Reply-To: ".LAN Server .LMX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello there !!!
As a university project
We'd like to make a software that allows transfering files from an HP48
calculator to a PC running Linux and vice-versa. The project contains
several parts :
- one soft is running under Linux ;
- the other one on the HP48 ;
- a kernel module that allows the HP48 file
system to be consider as an external read/write device.
(as a floppy device for example)
Here is what we've done :
- a file system manager running on the HP48 calculator (written in
assembly language)
Here are all the details of our project that we want to be :
- We want to add a module in the Kernel
- We want to use the serial port communication
- We want the HP48 to behave as a removable drive
COULD SOMEONE SEND US SOME DOCS ABOUT PROGRAMMING THE SERIAL PORT UNDER
LINUX ???
THANX A LOT FOR YOUR HELP.
*******************************
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Jon Haugsand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Bug in select() and/or sound drivers in Kernel 2.0.36?
Date: 10 Sep 1999 12:11:43 +0200
I'm running R.H. 5.2 with an ISA AWE SB card. This works well enough.
However, when opening /dev/audio for read and issuing a select call,
the call eventually times out. Of course, there are always plenty of
data when reading from /dev/audio.
Is this corrected somewhere?
Thanks,
--
Jon Haugsand
Norwegian Computing Center, <http://www.nr.no/engelsk/>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pho: +47 22852608 / +47 22852500,
Fax: +47 22697660, Pb 114 Blindern, N-0314 OSLO, Norway
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From: Mark Vogelsberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Another INODE question
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:17:29 +0200
Hi,
does anyone know how i can get the inode of the path for a certain file
I have the inode for?
The only information I have is the INODE of the file, but how to get the
path inode for that file ?
Thanks a lot
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From: Paul Hendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,redhat.rpm.general,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: Where can I find the handy SWEEP utility?
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:50:41 +0100
On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:39:38 +0100, Joey McAlerney
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>While working on Irix boxes over the summer, I got to take advantage of
>the "sweep" utility. It simply allowed you to gain root access to a
>machine by simply typing "sweep" (that is, of course, someone else with
>root access specified that you could do so). I am looking for this
>utility for Redhat, and couldn't find it so far. If it exists, could
>you please point me to it?
"linux single" at the lilo prompt IIRC.
Best Regards,
Paul Hendrick
http://www.btinternet.com/~engprin1/linux.htm
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From: TA Ruhland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO and System.map
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:41:41 +0000
Bram Bouwens wrote:
>
> Allin Cottrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >and also note that current klogd will happily read
> >/boot/System.map-<kernel version>, e.g.
> >/boot/System.map-2.2.12
> >which allows you to keep more than one map in play
> >if you wish.
>
> That's quite a useful remark!
> And if I would have several variants of the same version number?
>
> Bram Bouwens
On my system, I have variants of the same version number:
2.2.9-27mdk
2.2.9-27mdksmp
and I have multiple System.map.x files in /boot:
System.map-2.2.9-27mdk
System.map-2.2.9-27mdksmp
klogd seems to find the right map as long as you have them in one of the
places it looks. The file:
/boot/System.map is a link to System.map-2.2.9mdk on my system, but I am
now running the SMP kernel and klogd used System.map-2.2.9-27mdksmp on
boot. What I haven't researched yet is where does it get the version
number from? I wouldn't think it would be the file name. I have had some
problems in the past with kernel recompiles because the procedure I was
following really didn't cover how to handle multiple versions. Either
that or I missed something.
I am sure with a little bit more study I will eventually have it
mastered ;)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip W. Darnowsky)
Subject: Re: survey linux project.
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,linux.dev.gcc,linux.dev.kernel,linux.dev.x11
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:54:49 GMT
Chris Gregory ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:04:49 +1000, Karlo Szabo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >Why not start a Linux DVD project?
: Or, you could write a scanner driver (for my scanner).
: >"Kim,Taesung" wrote:
: >> Hello!
: >> We( I and my friends) have plan to make soem application on linux.
: >> First of all, we want to survey on going project on linux.
: >> We want to know any kind of projects about linux.
: >> Where can we find?
: >> Thanks for regard.
: Seriously, though, I don't know of any one central location for all ongoing
: linux projects. I don't think there is one. If there is one, everyone's
: been hiding it from me.
There's a project for you then: a central repository of ongoing Linux
projects.
Maybe I'll start one.
--
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Phil Darnowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remove spam, eggs, bacon, spam, and dot to reply.
"I'd use 'Hitler-Ware' if it would get the job done."
--Terry Fry
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane?= MASSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Kernel Modules 2.2.12 question
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:58:08 +0200
Have you checked for the MOD_VERSIONs problem ?
I had some symbols unresolved with classical kernel functions
(printk...) because modules need MODVERSION flag. This seems to include
a kind of cheksum at the end of the symbols (printk becomes
printk_R94tz...). See the kernel module programming Guide (available
from the LDP site) for more details.
Regards.
Stephane MASSON.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a �crit :
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I try to compile a module under 2.2.12 that uses the get_user() and
> put_user() macros. I included asm/uaccess.h and everything else.
> Compilation works very fine. But when I try to
> 'insmod' the module I get the error that the __get_user_X() can't be
> resolved.
> I have the same problem on using memcpy()...
>
> What's going wrong ?
>
> Thanks a lot!
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From: Mark Vogelsberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Kernel Modules 2.2.12 question
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:04:59 +0200
St=E9phane MASSON wrote:
> =
> Have you checked for the MOD_VERSIONs problem ?
> I had some symbols unresolved with classical kernel functions
> (printk...) because modules need MODVERSION flag. This seems to include=
> a kind of cheksum at the end of the symbols (printk becomes
> printk_R94tz...). See the kernel module programming Guide (available
> from the LDP site) for more details.
> Regards.
> Stephane MASSON.
> =
I found a nice Makefile that did the version stuff, this was my fault. =
Thanks =
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] a =E9crit :
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I try to compile a module under 2.2.12 that uses the get_user() and
> > put_user() macros. I included asm/uaccess.h and everything else.
> > Compilation works very fine. But when I try to
> > 'insmod' the module I get the error that the __get_user_X() can't be
> > resolved.
> > I have the same problem on using memcpy()...
> >
> > What's going wrong ?
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: TAO: the ultimate OS
Date: 10 Sep 1999 12:47:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a very popular agumentative thread in newsgroups, if you both
> haven't noticed. I think it can be characterized, and correct me if I'm
> wrong, as: "persons talking _past_ each other intentionally. Usually at
> the heart of the scenario is someone with motive and someone else trying
> to understand. Personalities and ways of thinking are at tbe root of the
> debate, but one "side" (always the broader perspective?) is not giving
> away the key information to the other. I find this frequently in
> interactions between the hard-core technical set and the more intuitive
> abstractionists.
>
> The one seeking "definition" and "absolute" is forever perplexed by the
> intuitionist's presentation of higher order to the focused specialist.
The problem is that the specialists know that Vlad's document doesn't
describe nearly enough, so we want him to expand on what he's talking
about. At which point he seems to flip from "reasonable person" to
"paranoiac" or "wronged prophet"... :^(
His ideas definitely need some refining, if nothing else, so that we
can tell there is more there than just a set of buzzwords. OTOH,
there are also a truck-load of unhelpful people ranged "against" him;
you know, the sorts of people for whom syscall(2) is a high-level
abstraction...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip W. Darnowsky)
Subject: Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:53:40 GMT
bilge ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: You havent read the digital millennium copyright act. It provides
: for criminal penalties if you even interfere with the normal
: functioning of the software as determined by the copyright holder.
: Then things take a turn for the worse...
This is *truly* disturbing. Does this mean that Microsoft can hold users
responsible for BSODs? After all, despite what we uppity Unix geeks might
think, the "normal functioning" of Microsoft ware is to do stuff, not to
crash. And if it's determined by the copyright holder, all MS has to do
is declare working to be the normal state of affairs.
Talk about a new connotation of "illegal instruction"...
--
===============================================================
Phil Darnowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remove spam, eggs, bacon, spam, and dot to reply.
"I'd use 'Hitler-Ware' if it would get the job done."
--Terry Fry
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane?= MASSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HELP: PCMCIA memory mapping: same limit as Window$ ??
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:05:03 +0200
Hi,
I am developping a driver for a PCMCIA client, and I need to map a
memory window of 2Mo, but I can't map more than 64Ko (same limit than
Windows). Moreover, I can't map beyond the first Mo !!!
I use a Vadem controller (VG-469) on an ISA bus (is it the bus the
source of the limit ?).
My kernel is 2.2.9-27 from a Mandrake distribution and I use the last
pcmcia package.
Did I missed something or is it a physical limit ?
Thank you for your help.
Regards.
Stephane MASSON.
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