On Friday 10 December 2010 16:40:16 Serge Dubrouski wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Les Mikesell <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 12/10/10 8:32 AM, Vadym Chepkov wrote:
> >> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Igor Chudov<[email protected]>  wrote:
> >>>>> This does not at all back up your claim that there is no
> >>>>> documentation. All this shows is that EPEL5 (what you tried it on)
> >>>>> is different from Fedora-13 (what the guide was written for).
> >>>> 
> >>>> Who would use fedora for anything that needed a highly available
> >>>> server?
> >>> 
> >>> I would not, as a former Fedora user. Fedora likes to mess with configs
> >>> in a way that makes system updates unreliable.
> >> 
> >> And you don't have to anymore.
> >> RHEL6 is out
> > 
> > Still waiting for CentOS - and maybe even 6.1 for the usual round of
> > release issue fixes before I'm touching any of my running servers.  But,
> > more to the topic here, is there a guide that someone can follow to get
> > something working on a reliable system?
> 
> There is plenty of very good guides and links to them were posted here
> several times.
> 
> Guys, you know, all of that sounds like nonsense. Just consider these
> numbers:
> 
> 1. Price for Oracle RAC in Enterprise Edition in $23000 per processor.
> 2. Price for Oracle classes for Oracle RAC (5 days) is $3000
> 
> Prices for Veritas VCS clustering software not much cheaper.
> Prices for NetApp appliance are in the same range.
> 
> Here you get an amazing product for free and then start whining that
> it takes a week to get it deployed, or start complaining that it's
> impossible to get something reliable out of it. It's a nonsense. There
> are thousands of installation of Heartbeat/Pacemaker around the world.
> So yes, it is possible to build a reliable system. And since when
> spending a week for building a complex clustered computing system is
> considered as "too long".
> 
> But Ok, your time is precious and you can't waste a week. Then hire
> somebody who can do it for you. LinBit, Novell, RedHat all provide
> professional services and commercial support. Her me, if you don't
> like them :-) But yet again it won't be cheap.
> 
> And last but not least. It's an Open Source  world. You don't like
> something - then fix it. You don't like documentation? Fine, learn the
> product and write your own set of documentation and share it with
> others. Open Source community will really appreciate that.
> 
> But please, please stop whining and insulting people who puts their
> time to make something that is really good and that you can get for
> free.
> 
> Please watch this if you have time and sorry for spam
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk
> 

Awesome video. Gonna keep that close if one of my customers feels he needs to 
start wining again  ;-)

B.
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