Karl, that is not what he is saying at all.  He said that PSK is effective
at C/N ratios where FSK is not.  

If you look at the QST article a few years ago comparing Pactor,
Pactor-II, Clover and other protocols, it clearly shows the relative
performance.  Pactor-II is quite effective and is an improvement over
Pactor in most, if not all cases (o.k., I'll hedge here since I haven't
dug out the article). 

Having said that, what does any of this have to do with Linux, other than
that the Pactor-II and Clover protocols and methods don't fit the open
source model?  Discussions of this sort are better held on
rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc.

Bob

On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Karl F. Larsen wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Jose Angel Amador Fundora wrote:
> 
> } On 26 Mar 99 at 14:57, Karl F. Larsen wrote:
> } 
> } >     Pactor is hard on your transmitter. 
> } 
> } Pactor-II is not as hard.  It "has envelope", so you are forced to 
> } run amplifiers with emphasis on linearity, and average power is about
> } half the peak power.
> 
>       So what? You still are transmitting more than when in a qso on
> ssb.
> 
> } 
> } > I use a TS-50 which is a very small radio and the cooling fans are
> } > on all the time when doing pactor. So far so good. No blown
> } > transistors. But I run the rig at 50 watts instead of the 100 watts
> } > max.
> } 
> } Usually I run LESS THAN 25 watts on 40, 30 and 20 meters. The 
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> } demodulators-decoders on the PTC-II are real gems. Also, PSK has no 
> } threshold and gives useful output at C/N ratios that are useless for 
> } FSK. Heat is no longer a problem, and thruput is far better.
> } 
> 
> Assuming PSK is phase shift keying and C/N ratios is Signal to Noise ratio
> and FSK means Frequency Shift Keying, the words above make no sense at
> all. Jose is saying that ptcII is using PSK and that makes it much better
> than a unit using ...PSK.
> 
>       My MFJ uses PSK for pactor. The pctII talks to my pactor so it
> must use PSK too. What is the point here?
> 
>       Jose, a deal: I will publish the protocal in total for pactor and
> you publish the protocal used by ptcII in total and then we will let the
> smart people on this list decide just how much better/worse ptcII is.
> 
>       If you can't do what you need to do, then stop telling us that
> ptcII works better than pactor. I and many others do not believe you.
> 
> 
> 
> } 73 de Jose, CO2JA
> } 
> } ---
> } 
> }  Ing. Jose A. Amador          | Telf: (537) 20-7814 
> }  Depto de Telecomunicaciones  | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> }  ISPJAE                       |         
> } 
> 
> Best wishes 
> 
>        - Karl F. Larsen, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  (505) 524-3303  -
> 
> 

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